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achorladey:
Hypocrites and those who hide their true identity/live double lives are amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses, yes, but that doesn’t change the fact this is the way to everlasting life. Jehovah knows those who truly belong to him..... Dappad

This is so interesting

Which we can then ask, are these hypocrites and those who hide their true identity/live double lives among JWs according to Mr Dappada, were born into JWs families or they were converted?

1. If they were born into JWs families, it means they were not trained in the way of Jehovah.

2. If they were converted, it means they were deceived into it which they later found out.

Those hypocrites and hypocrisy have their roots, stems and leaves from the perfect spiritual food that is not guaranteed from Jesus christ appointed faithful slaves. You should know better Mr Dappad!

He said only "yes, but that doesn’t change the fact this is the way to everlasting life. Jehovah knows those who truly belong to him(2Timothy 2:19)"

I'll rather ask, how many of such hypocrites and liars make up the total number of JWs?

These hypocrites and liars will also be found amongst the GB of JWs

22jumpstreet:
Hmmm

How ?

You fell for the deception..so you mean you can't see through the hoax in the so called new testament..

Superhero Jesus

The hero-type of a divine king was described by scholars Otto Rank and Lord Raglan who established 22 distinctive features that range from virgin birth to death atop a hill and disappearance of the body.
Jesus has 20 of the 22 features (according to the Gospel of Matthew, 14 according to the Gospel of Mark), compared to 22 for Oedipus, 19 for Dionysus, and 17 for Hercules.
No historical person provides a close match with the hero-type so the close match of Jesus with the hero-type means that he could not have been a real historical person. Despite this, each of the heroes was considered to be historical and placed in history in stories written about them.
So the theory of Jesus as a myth neatly explains how Jesus did not exist as a historical person yet was inserted into historical narratives by New Testament authors.

The most astonished part about your post is that you started by trying to prove that Jesus is a created being but now you're tending towards NON EXISTENCE

Well, the fact still remains that Jesus is the creator of heavens and earth.

LordReed:
It was a simple question, a yes or no would have sufficed.

After I made it clear that there's nothing like "DECEPTION" in what the midwives did based on those verses you quoted, you can still go ahead to ask "did they tell the Pharoah the truth?"

Atheists actually have high IQ than religious people indeed.

LordReed:
Simple question, did they tell the Pharoah the truth?

Lol.... So you know more than Pharaoh himself

It's evident you couldn't read deception into those verses

Janosky:
Your name is in your own book @ 7000 places, & you saw it in only 4 place.
In 6996 places your name was removed & replaced with a title, would you endorse it?
Dishonest LIENUS

At least you confirmed the name is there unlike the lies your brother told here, which means what Watchtower breeds are liar and dishonest people.

Janosky:

Revelation19:1-4,6 ,Mark 12:29, John 5:43 & John 17:6.

Jesus knew his Father's name, called the name and made the name known to ALL.

Dishonest LIENUS DECEIVING himself

So how did Jesus pronounce the name?

LordReed:
Exodus 1:18-20
New International Version

15 The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah,

16 “When you are helping the Hebrew women during childbirth on the delivery stool, if you see that the baby is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.”

17 The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live.

18 Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, “Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?”

19 The midwives answered Pharaoh, “Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive.”

20 So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous.

21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

EDIT: Added ver 21

If you want to criticise, at least criticise intelligently and with open mind.

You quoted verses yet you can't see where you contradicted yourself.

Here is my point!

1. The King of Egypt who is Pharaoh gave a command according to verse 17
2. The midwives feared God and didn't follow the command of Pharaoh (this is not a deception)
3. Pharaoh himself found out and called them for interrogation (if it's a deception Pharaoh could have taken action on them and eventually executed the boy)
4. God blessed the midwives for fearing Him not for deception that's never happened in the first place.

So I don't know where an open-minded person see deception in a case like this.

22jumpstreet:
Maybe yours...not mine.

I don't worship idols...

I only worship the creator of heaven and earth

I am 10000% sure he is not a jew that was nailed to a cross, naked and crying...I am so sure of that..

I love that color part

Jesus is the creator of heavens and earth.

22jumpstreet:
I dey craze? You want make God punish me?

Lol...read numbers 23:19

It is idolatry. Study the 10 commandments of God especially 1 and 2.

Jesus is our Creator

Worship Him!

Nothingserious:
“But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart?

See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;

for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.

And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? And he took it, and ate before them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:37-41, 43‬ ‭ASV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/12/luk.24.37-41,43.asv

The fact that people can see white and called it black, is what is playing out here. Where someone will read above verses and still be arguing that Jesus didn't resurrect bodily.

The disciples thought they SAW A SPIRIT but Jesus convinced them that what they saw isn't actually spirit but A BEING WITH PHYSICAL BODY.

Does it sound reasonable that a spirit trying to confuse His disciples of not being a spirit, when in reality He is a SPIRIT?

Which means the disciples were right but it was Jesus who was deceiving them.

22jumpstreet:
Why Jesus? Why not your creator instead......did God ever command anybody to worship anything else other than him?

Jesus is our Creator!

So according to your logic, worship Him

paltielx:
lolz not true, Bibles like RSV, KJV, ASV all have the name Jehovah, though not in all verses which that name appeared in the original manuscript

So they have it! Yet you say this "...its the interpreters that fail to put it in translation claiming it too holy for us to call that name"

The name was even used in many Hymn, how come?

Could it be that you're lying or you are confused?

achorladey:
Jesus said give to the poor baba change am to give to your religious leaders. Oh I forget your religious leaders are poor in their ivory towers managed and catered for through unrighteous riches they collected not owned by them but given

From his responses so far, you can see how he's trying by fire by force to justify the fraudulent demand but let another person tried it, you'll begin to hear different thing from the grand master of Hypocrisy.

Why Jesus was given that instruction, he forgot that the given should be directly given to his BORN AGAIN

paltielx:
God's name Jehovah is in the Bible, its the interpreters that fail to put it in translation claiming it too holy for us to call that name

You made this statement because Watchtower lied to you.

Many translations have it but the fact is NO WHERE the name appeared in ANY KNOWN GREEK MANUSCRIPTS (NT) we have today.

That's why you can't find it in any genuine NT translations.

Any translations you find the name appear in their New Testament is a fraudulent insertion.

Janosky:
Emusan too dey DECEIVE himself.
He will see this thread.
The genius of LYING.

So what are you insinuating here? JaNosense the lying liar JWs

Janosky:
Anywhere belle face.

Continue una disobedience to your Pope & the Vatican.
Sons of disobedience

You see the lying liar JaNosense now!

People are using God's name, let your 8 lying old men know

Emusan LYING genius has no proof.
He knows that JWs generally use JEHOVAH, no demonic organisation can use God's name.
2 Corinthians 6:14, Light can NEVER blend with darkness.
Therefore, Emusan is LYING.

Even the demons know God's name

Or according to you, when your father the Devil quoted a passage in Palsm at Jesus temptation, which name did Devil use?

You can see how you keep proving that you actually have no sense.

LYING genius doing his thing,as confirmed by the catholic-resources.org website, the Vatican forbids use of any Bible with the name "YAHWEH",let alone JEHOVAH or YHWH.

A Catholic faithful opened a thread here on Nairaland.

The childish tantrums of a LIAR, a proven peddler of FALSEHOOD.
Emusan LIENUS

This still proves that the Catholic knows about God's name and has been using it.

In other words, not only your organization make use of it.

Which then make this thread a dead one.

Jankara market graduate that doesn't know the difference between transliteration & translation.
Wetin Emusan wan teach? Only GIBBERISH [color=#000099][/color].

Just confess you can't attempt any of my questions, nobody will beat your because of your ignorance

YAHWEH is NOT more accurate.
Stop typing what you don't know.

Your demonic organization knows this, you can argue with them.

Christendom stopped using the divine name because of traditions of men, the Jewish man made tradition don't like it.
John 17:6, Christendom preferred disobedience to Jesus Christ.
Catholic-resources.org proven that.

So Catholic is the WHOLE CHRISTENDOM now



Yet your article is of recent one, how deluded can you be?

#4, LIAR
#5, LIAR.
#6 LIAR
The Vatican forbids access to the hidden vaults
of historical manuscripts/archives in their custody.

So where did Jws get the manuscript they used to cook their twisted translation?

Janosky:
Emusan LIENUS gifted with the genius of LYING.
Your "mental capacity" for FALSEHOOD is luminous.

Catholic-resources.org website says it all.
Cardinal Arinze is NOT speaking for himself, but for the Vatican.
He is a prominent member of their inner sanctum.

The Vatican forbids the use of Yahweh for mass, songs and prayers.
The Vatican forbids the use of Catholic Jerusalem Bible because it uses the name "YAHWEH"
2021,The prohibition has not changed.

See the lying liar JaNosense trying to be clever by half

It's still proves my point that the article is a recent one not that the use of God's name has been forbidden LONG TIME ago, as you lying liar trying to portray it.

Even if you checked the article with an open mind, the response shows it's a thing of FUTURE. Which means it might not be in effect as we're speaking now!

So look at the OP and compare to your lie here.

Janosky:
In the screenshot, is that Catholic Cardinal Arinze telling the laity to use God's name in the leturgy ?
He banned the use of Yahweh in Church!

Your dumbness is super that there's no figure to raise it over....

So what just a cardinal said not even a WHOLE COUNCIL OF CATHOLIC which is even in 2008, is what you can come up with.



I thought they have stopped using the name before Russell and his pagan team started

Where is the encouragement of Christendom to use God's name when he is telling them to stop using the divine name in the Church?

JaNosense, stop disgracing yourself on public forum!

Your mental capability isn't for a forum like this but for just a Hut of small hall in remote village.

So it is just one person which is "He" but you said below that is was "LEADERS of Christendom & their laity"

Lying liar JaNosense like his father the Devil!

How times in your Church do you hear "Praise Yahweh" or "Praise JEHOVAH" spoken from the pulpit?

Many times

In fact, there's a worship song that goes like Your name is YAHWEH, your name is YAHWEH, you're a miracle working God your name is YAHWEH!

Now, my question, how many churches have you enter that you know they don't use YAHWEH or Jehovah?

How many times has your demonic organization use YAHWEH despite the fact that they know YAHWEH is more accurate than Jehovah?

Who are those against the use of God's name in Church?

Nobody

The leaders of Christendom & their Laity,
3 doghead slaves
You are DECEIVING yourself.

If sense is actually in that skull and that you're not a lying liar like your father the Devil, you posted a screenshot from an article of 2008 here and with ONLY ONE CARDINAL ARINZE but you can still go ahead to say the LEADERS

Can you provide the link to the article? So that we can see what it actually says.

See this clown DECEIVING himself.

JaNosense, whenever you lost in your delusions you'll begin to behave like a kid.

The OP is right.
That is why you call "Jesus" upandan.
His Hebrew name is NOT Jesus.
His Greek name is NOT Jesus!

The Op and you are from the same product of lying organization, so I don't expect you to say otherwise.

If I say you're ignorant now you'll think it's an insult.

Both YAHWEH and Jehovah are words transliterated from the Tetragrammaton YHWH or JHVH, so both Yahweh and Jehovah are translation from Hebrew.

Olodo...your organization has lied to you to think that Jehovah is English translation while YAHWEH is Hebrew

Reason why you people are so shallow in scripture understanding.

But don't worry, as we're being given you people Bible study here, we'll continue to do so!

Here is what I posted again which you can't counter!

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1. The same Christendom are the one who formulated the Latin name Jehovah

2. The same Christendom are the one who still realized Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah

Even when WTBTS knows this, to revert back to YAHWEH is impossible because they already named themselves Jehovah witness

3. The same Christendom and Trinitarian are the one who first used the name Jehovah/Yahweh

4. The same Christendom are the one who sponsored most of the research that leads to the discovery of all known ancient manuscripts today.

5. The same Christendom are in charge of all known and discovered ancient manuscripts today.

6. The same Christendom still allows free access to all these ancient information by individuals or group of people.

So how can the same people still trying to hide God's name?

FutureIsFemale:
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE
The FUTURE is FEMALE

Yeah the FUTURE got accolade here unlike yesterday post where the FUTURE refused to be called BABY but prefer Madam

Anyways, the title should be "Man rewards his FUTURE with 2 cars on their 8th wedding anniversary"

achorladey:
He has to narrow it down to that because he has been taught by his religious leaders that they are the only true channel Jehovah is using to dispense accurate Bible knowledge.

It is the easiest way for him to get out of the discussion when locked in.

The Op said God's name was removed from the Bible and chief among those that did the removal is christendom yet the same christendom had the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION which the organization WTBTS he belongs said is one of the outstanding bible for making sure that the name Jehovah appeared over 6000 times.

The Op should tell us who is really removing what from the Bible.

Just like calling someone "Our friend" and another comment on the same thread the person suddenly became "MAD person"

You'll then be wondered, why speaking from both side of the mouth?

1. The same Christendom are the one who formulated the Latin name Jehovah

2. The same Christendom are the one who still realized Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah

Even when WTBTS knows this, to revert back to YAHWEH is impossible because they already named themselves Jehovah witness

3. The same Christendom and Trinitarian are the one who first used the name Jehovah/Yahweh

4. The same Christendom are the one who sponsored most of the research that leads to the discovery of all known ancient manuscripts today.

5. The same Christendom are in charge of all known and discovered ancient manuscripts today.

6. The same Christendom still allows free access to all these ancient information by individuals or group of people.

If this people actually want to hide something how easy it would've been for them.

That's why you see them coming with different lies just to keep deceiving themselves.

The OP out of ignorance or deceitful heart said somewhere that "YAHWEH is the Hebrew transliteration while Jehovah is English translation"

I can't just imagine the extent they can go to lie for their god

Janosky:
Emusan LIENUS, LYING genius doing his thing

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

You Emusan done expose yourself finally.
@ Mark 12:29 Jesus quoted YHWH.
Emusan says his mentors,"Pharisees and Sadducees have replaced (YHWH) with Adonai and Elohim."

When you don't know history, is that anyone's fault?

John 15:15 & John 17:6,26, Jesus Christ proven that Emusan LIENUS is a LYING genius.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs!

If I make my name 'Paul' KNOWN to you, Emusan. Have I taught you, Emusan, that my name is 'Paul'?
Emusan lacks comprehension skills. No be lie.
Yet , shamelessly arrogant.

Only a deluded will change KNOWN to TAUGHT

So Jesus never used the name Jehovah even you self agreed that Jesus only QUOTED IT from OT

Emusan LIENUS DECEIVING himself again.

Says the JWs deceiver

He forgot he said
Emusan says his mentors,"Pharisees and Sadducees have replaced (YHWH) with Adonai and Elohim."

Everyone knows including your demonic organization that the divine name was replaced with Elohim and Adonai

John 17:6,26 , Mark 12:29 biblical proof.
Read this secular proof in the screenshot.
The Jews have found out that God's name is NOT hidden.
Emusan,Read and learn

As usual, it's now secular PROOF but if this same secular PROOF go against your fraudulent organization, you will begin to change tune.

Besides, do you see that your secular PROOF says it's YAHWEH and not Jehovah

That's how senseless you can be!

Janosky:
You know nah nah!
Go and learn, this is 21st century.
Diligently study Jewish Hebrew history.

New Testament was written in Greek.

You always want to be spoon-fed & you are shamelessly arrogant about it.

Says the deluded JWs we have to endure the pain of explaining things to like a KG

Stop mockery of yourself on this public forum.

Thanks it's an advice!

Janosky:
Emusan LIENUS, LYING genius

Lying liar JWs JaNosense

Yes!
Deuteronomy 6:4,Jesus quotes the Hebrew scroll YHWH, "initial statement" of his Father's name @ Mark12:29.

Lying liar, the one Pharisees and Sadducees have replaced with Adonai and Elohim

Don't forget.

John 17:6,26 & Mark 12:29, Jesus Christ says he taught them.
Sink that Bible truth into your brain.

Jesus made KNOWN not that HE TAIGHT them... You added that part to it.

Go and find out why the pronunciation was lost, na your assignment.
Use the skills you learnt at Jankara market to do that assignment.

You see, when the face of liar is shinning like sun

The pronunciation has lost even before Christ came, so if Jesus reintroduced the pronunciation it can't be lost again.

Jesus never used the name likewise the Apostles.

Janosky:
Na Janosky you dey ask?

No! I'm asking the deluded JWs JaNosense

Go and study Jewish/Hebrew history.
Stop this your stupidity.

Just imagine, but NT was written in Greek

Janosky:
Emusan has comprehension issues.

Says the person who have no sense

This thread is too big for your brain to cope with.
Just jakpa from this thread.

If you think so, then Kindly answer my questions

I'm waiting

Janosky:
You are a fraud DECEIVING yourself.

Fraudster JWs!

Is Jesus quote of Deuteronomy 6:4 in your Bible @ Mark 12:29?

If you truly have sense, you've known that the word "Quote" means referencing to initial statement.

So which book did Jesus quote is the question?

Why was the pronunciation lost and the Apostles didn't use it?

Stupid question from Jankara market graduate. .
Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29 dey pain you for brain.

The JWs fraudster can't answer it

Emusan LIENUS, will Jesus quote your GIBBERISH?
This 3 doghead slave no get conscience

Says the deluded JWs JaNosense
The thing pain am

John 7:16, whose doctrine is at Mark 12:29 & Deuteronomy 6:4?
Wahala for 3 doghead slaves

When you receive sense lemme know

Janosky:
Mark 12:29 Jesus quote of Deuteronomy 6:4,

Yes Jesus quote from it, but which book did Jesus quoted from?

Emusan LIENUS.

JaNosense cover your lying mouth.

Go and erase John 17:6,26 from your Bible.

I'm not Watchtower that do erase or add to the scripture.

Janosky:
John 17:6,26 & Acts15:14,17-18 proven you are DECEIVING yourself.
Jesus and the disciples knew God's name and used it extensively in their quote from the old testament.

You this fraud won't cease to amaze me!

So by extensively quoting from the old testament is using the name

Why must it be from old testament quoting and not direct usage?

Are you saying both Jesus and the Apostles don't have opportunity to use the name in their teachings?

Janosky:
John 17:6,26 , Jesus taught them his Father's name.

Lying liar JaNosense! Jesus taught his Father's name yet the pronunciation lost, how come?

Acts15:14,17, they knew that they are the people chosen to bear Jehovah's name.

You're shifting the goal post Mr JaNosense

Janosky:
Hypocrisy of a sifia pained LIENUS.

Lying liar JaNosense like his father the Devil!

Biblical Unitarian doctrine says Jesus never PRE-EXISTED, does it support your Trinity GIBBERISH?

Oponu.... Did I ever support any Biblical Unitarian articles or use their materials against your demonic organization?

You see the reason I do say you lack knowledge

Remove the rafter in your eyes,Mr hypocrite!

You're the one who is supporting Biblical Unitarian article against Trinity but when the same Biblical Unitarian articles go against your fraudulent organization. What do you say, lying liar JaNosense?

You can see you're the one who should remove the 4x4 rafter in your eyes

haddeylium:
Good question.
Absolutely! They called him by his name.
Firstly, Jesus name Jehovah is Salvation

You said "THEY called him by His name" yet you simply list where Jesus and the Apostles ONLY quoted the Old Testament.

Is that how people CALLED His name in the Old Testament?

Jesus read and quoted them the ancient scrolls. He quoted them exactly how they are. To change even one word would have put his credibility in question and he's against the superstitious belief of the pharisees.

Here are some examples of Jesus quoting the Old Testament that included YHWH's name:

Quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 Jesus says:

“It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’” (Mt 4:4)

Quoting Deuteronomy 6:16 Jesus said:

Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’ (Mt 4:7)

Quoting Deuteronomy 6:13 Jesus said:

Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (Mt 4:10)

Quoting Psalm 110:1 Jesus said:

Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’? (Mt 22:44)

Yet the pronunciation of the name lost, how did Jesus pronounce it?

Quoting Isaiah 61:1, 2 Jesus said:

Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free, (Lu 4:18)

This happened in the synagogue, but the Pharisees and Sadducees couldn't accuse Jesus of blasphemy for pronouncing the name and this is the person they've been looking for opportunities to find charges against.

Quoting Joel 2:32 both the Apostle Peter and Apostle Paul [/b]said:

everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah [YHWH] will be saved. (Acts 2:21; Ro 10:13)

Both Peter and Paul later reveal the person as Jesus Christ

Peter said [b]"Only Jesus has the power to save! His NAME is the ONLY ONE in all the world that can save anyone." Acts 4:12 CEV

Paul said "So you will be saved, if you honestly say, “Jesus is Lord,”..." Rom 10:9 CEV

How can you make something known unless you tell others what it is. Jesus would have had to use the name to make it known to others.

So, why was the Apostles didn't know the pronunciation of the name?

And like an ambassador representing a kingdom, like an envoy or emissary who would proclaim to all who he represented…

Jesus never used the name.

It's so ridiculous to think by quoting book about your father is the best way of using his name not by telling people the actual name.

Vickyvice:
sorry this is coming late. Read 1st Cor 8 vs 5 and six in your Bible. That Father there is Jehovah in Psalm 83 vs18. He is different and separate person and greater than Jesus and Jesus always refered to him as d one who sent him. Getting to know who alone bears that name will make you ask many, but important questions

This doesn't address the questions asked which is directly about your first post.

The name was never used by any NT writers or characters

I'm expecting you to counter that by providing where the name was used by any of them.

Also, Jesus never used the name but I see some people trying to be clever by half saying Jesus quoting the Old Testament means Jesus used the name.

Meanwhile, If that's the case, Jesus must have used CORRECT PRONUNCIATION of the name.
Also, the scribes and Pharisees will have used that opportunity to accuse Jesus of blasphemy for pronouncing a name that was already forbidding to be pronounced.