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achorladey:
What is the common denominator in both cases?

Imagine this part of his statement "though both pastor's issues are not the same, one was on immorality and infidelity while other was about position from the pastor's wife."

Then you'll wonder the way they're trying to justify and defend their brothers.

MaxInDHouse:
He is simply running mad!
How can a sane human wakes up each day only to think of criticizing just one particular group and to show that he's truly going insane he can't present a better performing group than the one he's always antagonizing.
So what exactly is the motive of his mission?

So what were you smoking when you made this comment?

"No Sir he is our GOOOOOOOD friend! smiley
If someone always thinks about you to point of writing over 153 articles about you surely the feelings can't be denied, let's set aside the motive whether he's for or against us!
Himself and his cohorts believe they're doing a payback since the JW Organization has also written lots of articles about other religions, so i see him as our GOOOOOOOD friend because others only comes in to hail him while he is the only Nairalander undergoing posttraumatic stress because of the people he LOVED so much! smiley"

Just because the guy came to help you on that thread, you checked his profile and see this comment then BOOMMMMMMM you quickly act as a true JWs forgotten that you once quoted the same person on the same thread

Now a "GOOD FRIEND" has turned to "RUNNING MAD"

And they say "show me your friend and I'll tell you what you are"

MaxInDHouse:
Please i'm very sorry that i didn't respond to that man because i've blacklisted him in my comment section.

When did this blacklist started?
because the last time I checked while I'm away from Nairaland, you're even the one who quoted me

Now that you see that Russell your founder got divorced which means he is a failure, you have to use this line.

He is only trying to argue blindly and next thing he does is insults, abuses and curses so i stopped reading his comments.

Can you provide where I insults, abuses, and curses anyone on this forum?

The same person who made this statement about Chris on the thread of 74 years old who died on Covid19 despite fully vaccinated.

"...USELESS, WORTHLESS AND HOPELESS title chiefs" (CHRIS included)

However you've done the job but please stop calling him "Pastor Russell" that was before the understanding came {Proverbs 4:18} now we refer to him as "brother Russell"

But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers Matthew 23:8

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

I guess you didn't read his modified statement that he made a mistake about it

I know you're a dishonest person but whether you like it or not both Russell and Rutherford got divorced, so if Chris doesn't have right to teach about marriage so do Russell and Rutherford but the most critical part is that, Russell and Rutherford are not in heaven ruling with Christ mostly teaching JWs about marriage

Trevor007007:
I decided to make a research on the fault placed by Emussan about the Russell's marital issues and I found out that something is missing, about the court decisions on both parties, I also found out that the issue of pastor Chris and pastor Russell are not the same and cannot be compared, one was fully divorced due to infidelity and immorality as stipulated by the wife of the said pastor and a divorce certificate was granted in full, while the other, the wife wanted something that has to do with position and it was not granted to her by her husband, (wife won collect fans like the husband and the husband no gree), so the metal issue claims by the said wife to court, though she filed for a divorce, but instead was given a certificate of separation with alimony, which in all is not and never a divorce, just a separation that is accepted in the Bible for married couples but the Bible does not encourage it. Am quite sure that pastor Russell and his wife knows what the holy scriptures say about divorce and that trying to grab positions in anything in the family circle cannot lead to a divorce only adultery can lead to a divorce if both parties find it difficult to forgive each other.

You should've deleted this part since you brought this false information here.

I made a mistake on the divorce issue and am sorry for that, alimony is given to both a divorced and a legal separated couple, though both pastor's issues are not the same, one was on immorality and infidelity while other was about position from the pastor's wife.

Imagine, justifying separation that Bible even supported it.

Russell is the one who claimed his wife wants position, don't forget that.

Now, out of your dishonesty mind you said "the metal issue claims by the said wife to court..." besides the actual world used by the wife is "Mental Cruelty"

It's only on immorality that Christ said a Christian can divorce so for even RUSSELL to divorce not on immorality shows how he failed to keep his home.

So no how you try to justify or paint it both failed in that aspect.

achorladey:
Rutherford the successor to Russell likewise was not even a good example of the scripture he and his darling brother that loves calling people hobnockers aka Dappad was branding about earlier on this thread.

1 Timothy 3: 5 For if a man know not how to arule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?

Their case will be interesting to watch from here.

You and Petra1 just want him to disappear on this thread mysteriously.

I just wanted to start with him with that question because I know he lacks historical background of that organization so he might want to deny it in the first place.

Anyways, as you people have come up with the whole thing now, let's see where the hypocrite will twist mouth this time.

achorladey:
He will come back raging at you just like he always does calling and attaching labels wey no get relevance.

He must use his fingers to type and tell us that Russell na complete failure for marriage matter.

I know him wella,

Type what? On the same Russell who is in heaven ruling with Christ... You know he'd rather bring another lie or deviate from the subject matter than admitting that

achorladey:
When he cited that scripture earlier he was told he was feeling he had made a great point.

Like dem dey talk for local Palace, no be person wey first call police dey win case. We dey wait for im response even if na to deny or defend. He Sha must do something

This part really got me

MaxInDHouse:
petra1 i'm waiting for you o!
Chris can teach people on other things but not on marriage because he's a failure in that field!

Waoooo this is very interesting! If this is true about Chris then it should be true for Russell.

Do you know that your founder Charles Taze Russell got divorced or you didn't know?

MaxInDHouse:
When you hear the truth and you decides to procastinate on what you will do about it then it simply means you're not ready to accept Jesus!

Do you accept Jesus Christ?

No amount of your personal study can help you, once you notice that someone knows better than you, the best thing for you to do is humbly accept the truth not procastinate your salvation.

So he should not procrastinate his salvation simply because YOU KNOW MORE THAN HIM

The people you're arguing with surely knows that there's something unique about Jesus but they chose to continue studying within their own sperg so the same thing you are anticipating now.

Are you not doing the same NOW as JWs?

When i was a Muslim there's nothing a so called Christian believe that differs from mine:

Lying liar;

Do you believe Jesus is the son of God?
Do you take God as a Father?
Do you believe in the Ministry of the Holy Spirit?
Do you accept Paul's teachings?
Do you believe Jesus atonement for your sin?
Do you believe you can only get to heaven ONLY through Jesus Christ?
Do you believe in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?
Do you believe Jesus was raised to life after death?

©Heaven is the reward for the good.
©Hell is the wages for the evidoer.

Noted!

©My prophet (Muhammad) is God's mouthpiece just as so called Christians say about Jesus.

Just say as your Governing Body claim. because the last time I checked ONLY your Governing Body claim to be God's MOUTHPIECE.

©Whatever my religious teachers say i divulge.

How is this different from the group you belong to today?
Do you have any opinion contrary to their teachings?

©I wish whoever refuse to accept my faith to suffer for all eternity.

Just as who ever refuse to belong to your organization will be destroyed at Armageddon

Don't forget that!

©Prayers from the mouth of my religious leaders is most precious to me.

But does the prayers from the mouth of your Governing Body not precious to you today?

What is the difference?

But when i come in contact with JWs i was shocked because all these is not the case!

Says the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

*As a JWs, do you have contrary opinion to whatever your GB say?
*Do you not wish who ever refuse your faith to suffer at Armageddon?
*Do you not hold in high esteem the prayers of your GB?
*Do you not take your GB as the very MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah?

When i learnt anything from my teachers i must put it in my own words which became a challenge to me as i must do a thorough research to be sure that my faith is the one and only true Christian group!

Lying liar, yet you couldn't point out JUST ONE SINGLE ERROR from their teachings despite the fact that they didn't promise you pure spiritual meal and they are fallible.

This sobo is too watery give us another one

Can't you see the way i defend my faith?

Are you blind to see how He is defending His faith too?

Have i ever quote or paste a video of my teachers for an interested person?

You have pasted many pictures of your organization and others organizations to prove a point, so he had video to be posted to prove a point, so what is the difference?

Very very unlike you people who always copy and paste videos of some religious teachers instead of speaking from your own conviction!

After posting a video at the beginning of this thread, he continues to speak from his own conviction, so what is your problem?

Hypocrite! When you post numerous pictures of your organization to pass a massage is OK for you but when others do it, you must castigate it just because it doesn't suit with your myopic mind.

My friend, stop deceiving yourself.
You are not a Christian!

I can see that you're the one Jesus handed the book of those who are Christians to

Janosky:
JWs are teaching the public online, it is accessible to whoever is interested.
Are you, Emusan interested?

Continue WAILING upandan

So why can't you provide the video of JWs preaching publicly in Saudi Arabia as your lying brother claimed?

And answer my question of what are JWs still doing in a war torn zone when Jesus' command "was to flee" just as he said I didn't obey Jesus' command by staying in Northern part of Nigeria?

You can see the hypocrisy of you people I always talk about.

Anyways, do I expect any meaningful thing from JaNosense?

Janosky:
Educated literate who equates Genesis 1:2 to 1Peter 5:8 Emusan GIBBERISH na first grade

Educated literate from jankara

The shameful thing about you is that you don't know how stinking is your ignorance.

You never make any sense apart from posting irrelevant things.

Gen 1:2 the Holy Spirit is moving around, move about, to and fro

1 Peter 5:8 the devil is prowling around, move about, walk around

Only a shameless lying liar will see difference in the two verses.

Emusan LIENUS no get liver to say "gifts of the spirit" GIBBERISH from JohnW fraud.

What is JaNosense saying here?

A singular spirit is omnipresent to only Moses & his 70 Assistants, not to all Israelites.
Continue LYING & DECEIVING yourself

Imagine the educated illiterate, 70 assistants and Moses aren't enough for classify omnipresent.... O ma se oooo!

MaxInDHouse:
Can't you chat like a mature adult?

What concerns you about that? Hypocrite!

Must you always insult those responding to your posts?

Says the hypocrite who can call people MAD, FOOL and all sorts of names

Well look at the picture of the young lady very well, she's one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in an Islamic state. That's how they're dressed so as not to arouse suspicion.
Then compare to her sisters in other countries where there is no Sharia!

Still beating about the bush, just post video of JWs preaching PUBLICLY in Iraq, Afghan, Saudi Arabia is what I asked for.

Also, why didn't they leave those countries as you asked me to leave Northern Nigeria in other to obey Christ instruction of flee

Hypocrite of the highest other!

But i'll leave you for now because i'm not in the mood for exchanging insults simply because we're chatting about God! Ephesians 4:31; Colossians 3:8

So you know you insult people yet trying to be claiming Angel, anyways I know you're just doing the will of your father the Devil.

May you have PEACE!

Did I tell you I don't have peace like JWs?

The Prince of Peace has given me His Peace so you can keep your demonic peace. John 14:27

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Check this thread out.

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MaxInDHouse:
You didn't get the message!

Do you get mine also

JWs are safe in places where Churches of Christendom has not polluted the environment.

As usual always be the first to cast the stone of persecution.

So it's Christendom that is enforcing Sharia in Iraq, Afghan, Saudi Arabia e.t.c anyways I know your lies didn't start today.

Our brothers and sisters in such places do their preaching and teaching unnoticed by Islamists.

Now the idiot has changed mouth after he first claimed they are DOING PUBLIC TEACHING and I demanded for a video
Even your father the Devil will be afraid of your lie.

So even when we're preaching to an Islamist he wouldn't know that we are not Muslims because we choose our words carefully so as not to arouse suspicion.

I can't stop laughing at your delusions.

So Islamists won't know they're Muslim because what they'll be quoting and preaching from is Quran

Just see grandeur delusions.

I'm still expecting the video of your brother preaching publicly in Iraq, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

[s]And since we don't drag political office with them they don't see us as a threat.[/s]

That's why I'm expecting you to post a video of any of your deluded brother preaching publicly there.

[s]The churches do oppose them during their campaign for Sharia law but instead JWs will study their laws to know if there won't be forceful worship and since each person can pray to Allah at his/her own convenience it is hard for them to suspect that we're not worshiping their God.[/s]

Just listen to this nonsense that can only come from delusional followers of the lying organization.

But that's not the same case with misinformed churchgoers. They want to start shouting in their streets and speaking against their worship!

Like I said, I know he will change mouth because he's a son of father of lies.

Hypocrite! Anyways, this can only have effect on your deluded listeners in your hall but it's evident that your mouth is full of lies and hypocrisy.

What are your brothers and sisters still doing in those war torn countries after Jesus instructed them to flee just as you advice me to leave Northern Nigeria?

Definitely, they are disobeying Jesus!

Your lying mouth will continue to be exposed

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is where you're goofing my guy!

We all have the same line of thought that There is no other group or organization that's performing like JWs that's why we don't want to be excommunicated by God's people!
Otherwise there's nothing stopping us from moving to other groups if watchtower excommunicate us sebi Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Winner, Chosen, Catholic, Anglican, Cele, C & S, Apostolic Faith and many more dey!

Imagine the nonsense he's spewing.

So what of those who finally got their freedom and later abandoned your demonic group?



It's when they finally abandoned your demonic organization that they'll no more have the same line of thought but when they are still choke with the fear of disfellowsip they still have the same line of thought.

Anyways, what do I even expect from the lying liar JWs who once admitted that there are some churchgoers among JWs.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Emusan don't deceive yourself o!
There are JWs in those countries the only difference is their mode of operations will be guided under the laws of the state. In fact they do preach public and nobody deprive them not to preach in those countries. The only places where we often have issues are countries where the Churches have poisoned the minds of their rulers not to allow us but in Islamic nations once we're not dragging issues with the system of government they practice we have no problem!
Note that the Roman Governor (Pilate) has nothing against Jesus, it was the Jewish religious leaders who were instigating the ruler against Jesus! Luke 23:4-5
But in Arabic states since we're not interested in dragging issues with their government they find us harmless unlike the Churches who will tell their people to vote against SHARIA government!

So JWs always vote in support of Sharia law

Can you provide the video of any JWs preach in Iraq, Afghan, Saudi Arabia?

Just like I said, many people are trapped in your demonic organization simply because of the fear of disfellowsip and that's the evidence that they can't said to be having the same line of thought. I know it's paining you to marrow for hearing that.

Again, so you know JWs are in those places yet you're foaming in your mouth sometimes ago advising me to leave Northern Nigeria simply because of the activities of your BOKO Haram brothers saying that I'm disobeying Jesus by continuing to stay in that war zone because Jesus advices He followers to flee.

Now, just like I said on that same thread that it's because it doesn't favour you, that's why you're speaking nonsense, now that you think it's at your favour you once prove again that your brothers in those war torn countries are disobeying Christ.

I know the deluded JWs will change mouth.

Hypocrite and lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

I know you don't have sense but I'll continue to expose your ignorance since you don't want to have sense JaNosense.

Janosky:
Mumu LIENUS
Continue WAILING & proof texting
New International Version
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

New Living Translation
Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.

English Standard Version
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to

Upon all these quote, what do you intend to bring out, that prowling around is different from "To and Fro"?

Educated illiterate.

Everyone knows that wind moves to and fro, it's movement is not static.

Olodo buruku.....wind doesn't move TO & FRO
That's only what a living thing does. winds only move in one direction.

Perhaps, you're ignorant of Daniel prophesy of the end time how MANY will run "To and Fro"

ASV: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased

DARBY: And thou, Daniel, close the words, and seal the book, till the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

YLT: And thou, O Daniel, hide the things, and seal the book till the time of the end, many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.'

Reason why your lying organization is busy changing that text but no matter how they try they'll always fail because whether "To and fro, or move about" is what living being found doing.

Numbers 11:17
17And I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take some of the Spirit that is on you and put that Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.…"


How many [b]spirits was shared to Moses & 70 valiant leaders of Israel ?

Trinitarians too dey DECEIVE themselves [/b]

If you truly have sense, you can't read a passage where a singular SPIRIT was said to be put on MANY PEOPLE which indicates OMNIPRESENT of the SPIRIT and later asked "SPIRITS (plural)"

Anyways, do I even expect much from JaNosense? Obviously I'm not

MaxInDHouse:
[s]You're still proving my point that there's no group of (imperfect) humans who are well organized and orderly like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES![/s]

Your headache!

That's why you can see people who aren't pleased with what is happening there but can't find any Organization or group for which they can leave JWs!

This exposed your lying mouth of selling what is not about JWs, which means, not all of you have the same line of thought.

Those who aren't PLEASED can't still have the same line of thought.

Then only Jehovah know how many of them among your ONE LINE OF THOUGHT

If Deeperlife no sweet you at least RCCG dey, Winner dey, MFM dey, Chosen dey, CAC dey, Apostolic Faith dey but all those you mentioned are afraid of been casted away from just one single group when all these other ones are around.

The way you do exposed your ignorance is so alarming.

I clearly stated that because of EXCOMMUNICATE which is the reason why many still put fake smile to your hall not because they don't know where to go.

So you're still proving my point that they can't find a group performing like JWs that's why they're trying to cope no matter what happens! Luke 13:24

When you keep exposing your ignorance.

You have answered my question because all those you mentioned aren't pleased with what Jesus is teaching us but they're ready to stay come what may! John 6:66-68
Thank you Emusan for the fine response!

They are ready to stay because of the fear of EXCOMMUNICATE just like leaving Islam can lead to your head removing from your neck if you had became JWs in the North, Afghan, Iraqi e.t.c

See the hypocrite, so you can reply my post after you advised your brothers to stay away from Emusan

MaxInDHouse:
[s]Do you know any Organization or group of persons reflecting the qualities or attributes of Mr Holy Spirit? Galatians 5:22-23 Because if you continue to argue from today till next year each person will keep telling you he/she has the Holy Spirit in him/her.[/s]

Keep looking for organization or group, when you're alright you'll find it.

But what will be the sign that surely Holy Spirit is active somewhere?

The fact that Holy Spirit is ACTIVE shows He is a person which is the point here.

[s]Jesus said "by THEIR FRUITS you will know" {Matthew 7:16} notice that Jesus didn't say "by his fruit" as in each person but "by THEIR FRUITS" which indicates that when two, three or more assemble Jesus will help the observer to know through the effect of God's Holy Spirit which Jesus will send {John 15:26} that this group of persons are practicing pure worship! Matthew 18:20[/s]

So Jesus has the POWER to Control Jehovah's FORCE

So do you know of any group of imperfect humans exhibiting the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit?

1. I know of a JWs family who refused their Daughter to marry another JWs guy

2. I know of JWs sister who was emotionally punished till she died by the watchtower society just because another brother impregnated her. like my JWs friend usually say, "My Auntie died unhappy"

3. I know of JWs who fed up with the organization put still putting up fake smile to the Hall simply because she's afraid to be excommunicate.

4. I know of JWs who can sleep with anything on skirt and many more!

Everyone know that you can't find a single perfect human on this planet so the only way we can verify the presence of God's Holy Spirit is by observing how it's controlling imperfect humans to do things in a well organized and orderly manner! 1Corinthians 14:33, 40

So only JWs do things in a well organized and orderly manner

Like I do ask you that "you should show us where people gather in the NAME OF CHRIST but what they do is throwing chair and table to each other" which you're still not be able to provide any.

Well until then, keep looking for organization or group that you'll find in the scripture.

Bishopkingsley:
Exactly what you say here is absolutely correct

In their heart they know what they here from watch tower is totally wrong but they are trying to use all the lies in the world to defend the wrong thing

I have asked them to explain

Matthew 28:19 ►
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

All they do is run from the place even though it is in their Bible

Even within their perverted Translation, the personhood of the Holy Spirit can still be traced out.

Notice the transition from various version of NWT in Gen 1:2 just to conceal the truth about the Holy Spirit.

1961 Edition:
"Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the
surging waters , and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters."

1984 Edition:
"Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the]watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters."

2013 Edition:
"Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving
about over the surface of the waters."

1961 says Holy Spirit is moving "TO and FRO" this is what a person with absolute mind does which shows someone moving with directions as force or wind don't move TO & FRO (like when the scripture says the Devil is moving TO and FRO seeking whom he may devour) but in 1984 it's like this was discovered within the text so the phrase "TO and FRO" was completely removed. Yet they don't know how to eliminate the word MOVING/HOVERING, in 2013 the word "ABOUT" was added which even compounded the problem because only living thing "MOVE ABOUT" which is still similar to that TO and FRO

Janosky:
Colossians 1:15 who made Jesus the first born (preeminent) of every creature?

Where in that verse it was stated that Jesus was MADE preeminent?

You're started writing your own Bible after the fraudulent NWT

Genesis 49:3 who made Reuben the first born (preeminent)?

Trinity shege

Was Reuben the FIRSTBORN by birth or the term means other thing?

Unitarian wahala...

Did Daniel tell you he knew Jesus as son of man?

That's why you should know it's a prophecy.

As many Messianic prophecies never specifically MENTIONED Jesus.

[b]Jesus left the spiritual realm to live on earth in human form why would he leave the earth & go live In the spiritual realm in human form?

That's why after His resurrection, he was still called SON OF MAN, MAN because He's still human until He finished the purpose of becoming Human. 1 Cor 15

For una Trinitarian mindset, human form & limitations of human form is stronger than spirits in the spiritual realm.

St√pidity everywhere because of Trinity GIBBERISH

For your deluded mindset you didn't know what resurrection is all about

Resurrection transformed the weak human into powerful human, which is what Christ came to demonstrate. unless you will agree that ALL HUMAN will be resurrected as SPIRIT.



Wahala for spirit resurrection.

Janosky:
Bishop LIENUS Is confused & he proceeds with FALSE claims upandan.

John 4:24 & Matthew 4:10, did Jesus Christ instruct Bishop to give Jesus worship?

Confused LIENUS

Matt 4:10 "Only God you shall serve"

Why do you disobey Jehovah when He instructed you to serve Jesus in Dan 7:14?

Bishopkingsley:
You are saying what has no sense

Read all the things Jesus said the holy spirit will do and what the holy spirit will say

A force can not say those things

Your problem is you don't read the Bible properly and your founder did not read it very well that why he teaches you people wrong information

Look at what the holy spirit can do

He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Only a person that is God can tell you the future

They don't read Bible but watchtower and awake publications.

The question they can never answer on the issue of the Holy Spirit with their false claim of personification is: What make a person qualified to be PERSON that the Bible didn't use for Holy Spirit?

Bible on Holy Spirit attributes:
1. Holy Spirit can speak
2. Holy Spirit has intellectual
3. Holy Spirit can hear meaning He can be communicated to and responded accordingly.
4. Holy Spirit has MIND (in fact this feature alone is enough for any rational being)
5. Holy Spirit has WILL

The reason for denying the personhood of the Holy Spirit is because they know Bible portrayed Holy Spirit to be an ETERNAL, UNCREATED & within the Being of God. That's why they came with the lies of personification.

So if they accept Holy Spirit personhood, their attack against Trinity will be shattered.

That's why no JWs will ever answer you if you ask them; everything that exists is created apart from Jehovah, so was Holy Spirit created?

Janosky:
No, Jesus correctly called Greek PARACLETOS ('Helper/Advocate') "He", because Greek PARACLETOS ('helper/Advocate') is a masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.

Imagine this nonsense from the great Master of Nonsense JaNosense.

Jesus called GREEK paracletos

So Holy Spirit is called He in short, if not Jesus wouldn't have used MASCULINE NOUN for Him.

Holy spirit is personified as "helper/Advocate" is a Greek masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.
NWT footnotes @ John 16:13-14 (screenshot) explained that with clarity.

That's why you can only provide NWT footnote because no other sources ever say Holy Spirit is personified in John 16:13-14

Remove the false claim of PERSONIFICATION from your lying doctrine and see how it'll crumble in second.

Biblestudytools, your Trinitarian mentors proven that "Greek PARACLETOS is a masculine noun.
LIENUS of a Bishop

As usual, the ignoramus didn't understand the same screenshot he provided.

Where in that Bible tool it was said that John 16 is a personification of Holy Spirit

What Bible Tool says is a strong support of personhood of the Holy Spirit because only a person can INTERCEED, ADVOCATE, HELP according to the strong meaning of Paracletos as put forth there.

But as usual you won't see that because the 8 lying men in Brooklyn must always be defended.

After you used style to boycott my post with the intention of yielding to your deluded brother advice of you should ignore me, you keep bouncing on my Moniker here and there.

Janosky:
In Daniel 7:13-14, who are "THEY"?

You can see the hypocrisy I do talk about, I've asked your deluded brother this same question more than 10 times which he couldn't answer and I'm sure you saw it too but went on dead silence but only for you to wake up and directe the SAME QUESTION to me.

JaNosense, when will you receive sense

Why would Jesus be brought close to JEHOVAH when KNOWMORE56 & Emusan been saying Jesus is Jehovah?

See the way the deluded JWs lying liar like his father the Devil, keep displaying his ignorance.

I was the first who used this verse to ask your deluded brother added question many times which he failed to answer and you're here pretending as if it spring up from your own dull skull.

In case you think I forgot, here is my question again.

How can Jesus be brought to Jehovah when he existed with the same Jehovah from eternity, created the universe, which no one knows Jehovah more than, have the same glory with Jehovah?

Who are the THEY that brought Jesus?

Bros, Do you really understand that you have ridiculed your Trinity GIBBERISH?

Says the deluded JWs, the great lying liar like his father the Devil.

Trinity predated your father the devil and there's nothing you and your father can do about it.

The gate of hell (Your Hall) will never prevail over the True Church of Christ.

IMAliyu:
Oh, do you have any sources on an introduction to schematics?

Actually, I can't say there's any source that specifically talks about schematic simply because schematic is just a symbollic diagram that shows how electrical components are placed and wired to form a complete circuit. So your search will always return with something like: introduction to electronics e.t.c. which will still be teaching you, properties of electrical components like Resistor, Capacitor, Inductor e.t.c in which if a person isn't a professional electrical engineer or having indepth knowledge of electrical/electronics might not still be able to put together.

But believe me, in the world we live today, learning has surpassed that.

So, to be a good Board designer/PCB designer, you only need to rise up to the challenge. That is, ready to dedicate time and your freedom because one thing a Board designer don't do is a mistake and by reading wrong Resistor part number is a mistake that can burn/destroy your board.

Having said that, the best way to go is to find a simple schematic diagram and try to study it first.

Let me use Arduino as example:

Arduino no matter the one you're talking about can only be divided into three sections.
1. Voltage Regulator - that is how power is supplied to it.
2. Voltage management - that is how various source of power are managed (Note: Arduino can be powered from USB connected to system, 9V DC Jack, VIN rail 5V, 3.3V)
3. The microcontroller section.

If you can get yourself familiar with a simple cuicuit like this then you can begin to grow your electronic design knowledge.

The most interesting thing about being a PCB designer is how one can easily pick a board and understand the working process.

For more than a month now, I've been working on a LAPTOP BOARD infact, I feel so excited because I fully understand how component like RAM is interconnected to PROCESSOR, if will plug power cord into power Jack, how the system distributes the power.

You can read more on this THREAD

Thou I decided to pause on it because I've been working on how to arrange online tutorial for people who have been showing interest on how to be a good PCB designer.

Fot the last time on my questions!

Barristter07:
Don't be a fool, nobody is talking about whom God was talking to.

And the fool who couldn't answer simple question is here spewing thrash.

If nobody is talking about whom God was talking to, why can't you answer the simple question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

But the identity of the Image which humans and Jesus bear. Unquestionably belonged to the Father.

This is the identity of the IMAGE again

"Let US create mankind in OUR IMAGE and after OUR likeness"

Which means the US & OUR have that single IMAGE

Just as Husband and Wife can boldly say "OUR HOUSE, OUR CAR, OUR apartment e.t.c"

You must rewrite your own Dictionary today since US & OUR isn't possessive pronounce anymore. Fraudster!

Use your brain, Can he be given what he already possess?

Remember to pick your brain from your hall, then you'll know it's about His earthly mission after He had GIVEN UP everything. Phil 2:6

That's to tell you he had none until Daniel 7:13,14 was fulfilled

He had none yet, whatever belong to the Father belong to Him....

"Whatever are thine are mine and whatever are mine are thine" Can you see equal possession here?

No wonder you're still turning your blind eyes to this but trust me, you can't get away with it.

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and be brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.

Let me answer since you decided to stoop this low. And Stephen died . Proving it true that no man can see God and live.

Ole....Stephen didn't died because HE SAW GOD

John 17:23 -
I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

That day is while they are still in the world. If the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in us, then the Father is in us as as well. Does that mean we saw the Father ?

Lying liar!

The Father is not in you.

Ezekiel was called son of man and we know he is flesh and blood. Then u accept Stephen saw a Jesus with blood ? OMOHHHHHHHHHH

And Stephen saw THE SON OF MAN in heaven which is the Human Jesus.

IMAliyu:
No, my knowledge doesn't go that deep, nothing outside of recognizing a few electric symbols I learned in secondary School physics.

Eyah! But having the zeal to one day assemble your own PC should encourage you to go deeper.

Anyways, I'm good in schematic reading and PCB design.

Barristter07:
That's the point. One single image. Which belongs to the Father. Same image we are made in. This is why every body in that image is called Son of God , The Father . !!!

Not Son of Jesus. , Jesus is even a brother .

Christ himself belong to the Father.

You raised two points which I asked you questions on.

Only for you to boycott my questions and address another thing.

@underlined, if Jesus NOW bear the image of God, which image was your Jesus created with in the first place?

Was your Jesus created with ANOTHER PERSON'S IMAGE different from the Father or the Father's OWN IMAGE?

If Jesus was created IN Father's image, then Gen 1:26 still hold that both US & OUR is talking about ONE IMAGE.

Both US & OUR are possessive pronounce which means the Image belong to BOTH US & OUR.

So basically Jesus is part of that US & OUR, right?

Daniel 7:13 exposed you.

Revelation 1:14 exposed you more, as Jesus is not a son of man but " LIKE "

See the way the shameless lying liar dodged my point.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy of the coming of Messiah NOT what the Messiah is before coming to earth, how can you so dull?

If it's what the Messiah is, the right appropriate description will have been MICHAEL.

Now it's about DWELL EXTRAS BY TRANSLATORS, didn't your demonic translation even make the work difficult for you?

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.

As for your saying someone boycott the Father is in him. It's a silly basis. We are also in the Father ( John 14:20 ) , does that mean we see God as humans ?

Start to think

You're not in the Father, lying liar!

John 14:20 says "ONE THAT DAY...."

And Stephen saw GOD...ode!

No man can see God and live. Man is a term applied to every person flesh and blood . I don't know where you get your dead Jesus theory from.

SO THE BIBLE didn't call Jesus human body " Glorified " ? Eeyah

Jesus is still Human in heaven. That is what Stephen saw.

So the Bible didn't talk about Theocracy, o ma se oooo!

Barristter07:
1Cor 3:23 Christ belong to God. And Christ exist in the image OF ( belonging to ) the Father.

Of course Christ belong to God but The Word of God which became Human is God and eternal.

Spot the difference.

The image in Genesis belongs to the Father !

When he said OUR, he was reffering to his image which Jesus now bear.

Once again it said " IMAGE " not images. It belong to one person.

Two persons = Two images

One person = one image .

@color you can keep on committing this intellectual fraud just because you can't stop lying.

Again, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

You haven't given a straight forward answer because you know you're lying.

@underlined, if Jesus NOW bear the image of God, which image was your Jesus created with in the first place?

Was your Jesus created with ANOTHER PERSON'S IMAGE different from the Father or the Father's OWN IMAGE?

If Jesus was created IN Father's image, then Gen 1:26 still hold that both US & OUR is talking about ONE IMAGE.

like I do say, the more you think you can twist scripture the more you'll keep exposing the work of you and your father the Devil.

He can't be given what he already has. Daniel 7:13 is a prove Jesus didn't have any of those authority before coming to earth.

The text simply says he approach God, I don't know why you dwell extras by translators.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy of the coming of Messiah NOT what the Messiah is before coming to earth, how can you so dull?

If it's what the Messiah is, the right appropriate description will have been MICHAEL.

Now it's about DWELL EXTRAS BY TRANSLATORS, didn't your demonic translation even make the work difficult for you?

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.

[s]And a man of Flesh and blood cannot see God and live.[/s]

The bible never said Jesus ressurect with a Glorified human body . Will you produce the text where you get this glorified human body from?

I see how you stylishly boycotted that part where I said The Father was in Human Jesus

The Bible never talk about Theocracy, will you produce the text where you get Theocracy from?

To claim Jesus ressurect as a man , you just accept that the Greek word translated man was applied strictly to creatures who depend on blood to LIVE. And whom it's said cannot see God and live !

To claim Jesus does not have blood is to claim he is a dead person.

" The life of every flesh is in the blood "

You can keep crying on that.

Jesus is still a man in heaven.

IMAliyu:
Not really, I just like computers, and I've spent sometime following tech channels learning about them.
I hope to be able to afford buying parts and building a desktop computer by myself someday.

That's nice

Do you know how to read schematic diagram?

Barristter07:
Where is your thinking faculty ?

Your thinking faculty is in the hall, remember!

" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it. " Revelation 5:3

The Father hold the scrolls , wrote what's inside and sealed it.( Rev 5:1)

The text itself excluded him as he wasn't among those expected to open it.

Like I said, the bold is what I needed.

Next

Barristter07:
This line of argument assumes the word " God " encompasses anyone called with the title " God" . Rather than identify who is the individual identified as God.

Foolishness at is peak!

This is not the line of argument lying liar JWs.

The line of argument is, At creation God says "LET US CREATE MAN IN OUR IMAGE and OUR LIKENESS"

Both you and your demonic organization, know that Jesus is there at the time of creation and to make the matter worst, even your organization agreed that it was Jesus Jehovah was addressing.

So there's no how you can twist this, Human are created in the IMAGE OF GOD and Jesus is God

Since humans are GODS. I can as well say humans are created in the image of Barrack Obama going by the line of reasoning. Since Obama is GOD too.

It's a foolish line of reasoning

Rather foolish line of a twisted mouth.

Was Obama there when God said "Let US create man in OUR OWN IMAGE after OUR likeness"?

It's obvious how you're trying to twist this by bringing in wrong analogy.

The question still remains, was Jesus part of that US & OUR? Which you're not still be able to provide answer to.

[s]Rather the truth is to identify who is meant by Adam being a Son of God. Simple, the Son of the Father. This is why we are children of the Father .

Act 17:28-31

We are The Father's children, who appointed Jesus. ( Jesus wasn't included as the owner of the children ) you are exposed


" For we live, move, and exist because of him, as some of your own poets have said: ‘…Since we are his children, too.’[n] 29 So if we are God’s children, we shouldn’t think that the divine being is like gold, silver, or stone, or is an image carved by humans using their own imagination and skill. 30 Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent, 31 because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world with justice[o] through a man [Jesus] whom he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Take note that we are called children of the Father who appointed Jesus.

It's clear we are in the image of the Father.[/s]

Gen 1:26 "Let US create mankind in OUR image after OUR likeness"

Was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

There's no how you try to twist this, I won't give you that space.

"MADE like "

Made means build, create, produced , structured , made is telling you he is built like them, . You don't have sense

Did Daniel 7:13 said Someone MaDE LIKE ? Or looked like ?

Ezekiel 1:26 uses the same like language of Rev 14:14 like a man . So would you say the Father is human ?

The Fact remains Christ has none of the authority he was given before he came to earth.

See the lying liar, so you have to throw away the LIKE there just because it didn't dance to your tune.

Jesus is forever the Almighty God and the ruler of the Universe. You can hit your head on the walls.

You seem to have brain drain.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy about the Messiah which is the main point.

You're still dodging my question,

Who brought Jesus to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still be LED to Jehovah

These are the questions you will continue to dodge because your lying mouth will not be able to speak the truth.

Emusan is forming words now. When you tell lies, you will need to coin various words to support your lies.

Nowhere is Jesus called Glorified human!

The same Greek word applied to every flesh and blood was applied to him. Which means he is a man like everyone else.

No man can see God and live. Final!

Just as you and your organization always forming words too.

The body Jesus resurrected with is glorified one.

Jesus is human in heaven now.

If it pains you, you know what to do.

It's either Jesus is man or not. If he is he can't survive seeing the Father.

But the Father was in Him while on Earth

[s]Another point to consider : the Greek ND hebrew word for man refer to that which has flesh and blood. So is Jesus flesh and blood in heaven ? ( U must coin a different Greek word for a man without blood)[/s]

I've silent you on this before, so if you have interest on this, you can read our previous conversations.