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TATIME:
OK!
You're
Not ready to consider the presentation of others!
Not ready to present any group even yours for scrutiny!
Not ready to investigate matters for certainty!
Only ready for arguments.
Well sorry to disappoint you Sir, i'm not a parrot that feels like throwing words into the air without motives, therefore i don't have any reason to chat with you!
Farewell!

People who have been discussing with JWs here are all using scripture because that's where true Christians find their truth.

I asked you to show us from the scripture where it was written that the body of Christ will be one group, you couldn't!

I asked you the scripture says judgement will begin in the house of God, why? After all you said, "In the midst of TRUE worshipers, Jesus have destroyed such indomitable missiles! Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3"

Why would judgement begin from the house of God if God has already established ONE TRUE GROUP

You're busy defending a group when you actually lack scriptural understanding of the Salvation of your soul.

Maximus69:
Na wah o!
Come and see agitation for goodness sake.

Well you've just heard what over 8,000,000 people from all races throughout the globe believes and saying!

So your furious agitation, bitterness of heart and scriptural quotation WITHOUT any practical applications can't stop them from saying it both in words and actions.
Good night Sir!

Now you called this agitation and quoting scripture without practical applications?

Are you God to have known this?

There are millions of missionaries all over the world today doing great works for Christ that many JWs can't even match and what scripture says is that if you're named with the name of Christ depart from iniquities....but you say you must belong to an organization...

Just because you've been brainwashed by watchtower to only reason that no one except JWs practice what they preach is the most stupid of it all.

Maximus69:
Sir, it's up to you to decide what you will do about the whole issue.

I've decided and it's up to you to see whether you actually presenting the scripture of man ideology.

When Jesus said what was quoted at John 3:16, Nicodemus never started agitating in behalf of his group{Pharisees} instead he kept quiet and watch the outcome of Jesus' claim.

Another lie against scripture yet claiming to be the true follower of Christ

Christ has cleared Nicodemus mind and it was Nicodemus' encounter with Christ that brought fourth John 3:16

So why are you agitating on behalf of your group

For your information, Jesus' statement indicates that whoever wants to see God's favour{salvation} from any part of the earth must accept his teachings!

Now it's indicated not direct meaning which you've been using all this while....

Another scripture twisting...can you show us where Christ made that statement?

While Nicodemus, Joseph Arimatea and others from different nations were observing Jesus' words and agreed, majority of Bible carriers of his time were agitating in behalf of their various groups!

Are you no more a GROUP?
You see your life outside, others see themselves as Christ body but it's you who see yourself as a group...can you see the difference and how your statement rightly goes against you?

Please if you're truthful that this same tone is heard in other groups, then what is your headache as JWs are saying the same thing?

I only pointed out your hypocrisy, how you see some carrying Bible openly and saying s/he is a born again Christian as doing eyes service but you claiming up and down and turning yourself to God to have known that JWs are the only true followers Christ is right thing.

Well thanks anyway, i'm not ready to start arguing or trading words with you Sir, just say the same and allow observers to do their research.

Hypocrite! What have you been doing if you're not ready to argue?

But know one thing: YOU CAN'T DICTATE WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T SAY WHEN ALL THE OTHERS HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION AND WORSHIP! Act 5:27-29

You've repeated this same stupid statement once again.

Who is dictating

Pointing out your hypocrisy is now dictating to you....

TATIME:
Thanks for these thought provoking questions!
(1) I was a Muslim before studying the Bible with JWs,

Who asked you story?

they presented their organization as the one and only religious group possessing those four qualities.

Now another boasting statement, are you God to have known this?

Yet their organization is full of lies and hypocrisy!

But that's no big deal, you too can do well to present your own group so that everyone can observe those qualities in your group.

I'm not here to present any group just like there were no group during early church...i will only tell you what scripture demanded from us:

"Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phi 2:12 NWT

"KJV 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

But i can never agree that Jesus as highly intelligent, powerful, orderly and efficacious as he is, can not ORGANISE his followers to form just one single group identifiable worldwide for everyone to SEE the required qualities in their assembly!

So it's no more what scripture says but what your shallow brain feels.

Where was it written in the scripture that the body of Christ will be ONE GROUP?

(2) NO! There are many factors that can cause hatred amongst people, but the only two that Satan is using to create enmity between inhabitants of one place and the other are RACISM and POLITICS, apart from this two you can like or hate someone due to his lifestyle but NOT an entire tribe where you don't even know many of them personally!
But with these two Satanic weapons, you can hate someone even though you've never seen him/her before! Just say he belongs to so and so political party and the hatred begins, or say he is from so and so tribe!

All these just because your organization kicked against politics yet from scripture the most powerful tools Satan uses are to raise false teachers, persecutors against the body of Christ e.t.c but you just puff out something that wasn't established in the scripture just to massage your doctrinal ego.

In the midst of TRUE worshipers, Jesus have destroyed such indomitable missiles! Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3

Liars....after claiming to be the one doing the will of Christ yet you can lie against the same Christ by saying what He didn't say.

Even scripture says judgement will begin in His own house....

If Christ has actually destroyed such, why must judgement begin in the House that Christ has built by himself?

Are you still saying, is this same ONE TRUE GROUP that judgement of Christ will start from!

You people lack scriptural understanding but only quick to defend organization while dying spiritualy.

Maximus69:
That is not a problem Sir!

It's not actually a problem but that's what is called hypocrisy!

I think it's just between shadeyinka and i, but you too can make the same claim and back it up with a critical, logical and constructive debate.

Now it's to back it up with critical, logical and constructive debate!

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through him!

Then are you God to know those whose have access to the Father through Christ

I can't expect anything short of that from his TRUE followers, i strongly believe that tone must always be in their statements

Kindly list some groups this tone wasn't in their statement too

after all Jesus said NOT all those calling me lord lord will be approved adding that many will be disapproved, he even said there will be blind guides leading many into destruction.

He said many will said on "THAT DAY" are you now Jesus to have known this?

What if you group is the same blind guides leading many of you into this destruction

So if a group is saying 'we are the only group practicing what he taught' i will like to do my own investigation instead of agitating because of my own group or other groups that i can't vouch for!

No! You didn't didn't do shi.t investigation rather you quickly tag them eyes service people because they carry Bible OPENLY and say they are Born again Christian. Which they don't even shout up and down as you hypocrites do but will only ask you.

Maximus69:
We're all just acting on PERSONAL feelings to refute false allegations levelled against the one and only TRUE congregation of Christ.

When you people pressed and hook at the wall's edge, you change tune like well only God knows who is truly rendering true service.

At the other hand, you called people carrying Bible openly and claiming to be Born again Christian as people doing eyes service that no truer of God servant will be claiming such up and down!

But here you are today, turning yourself to God to have known that JWs are the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE CONGREGATION OF CHRIST" and even boasting about it always on social media.

When I said, JWs and hypocrisy are 5&6 some people will think otherwise.

TATIME:
You need to know the meaning and significance of SPECIAL NAMES given in the Bible as a means of attaining divine approval!
The name JESUS significantly stands for four motives
¤Counselling that's outstandingly effective! Counselor
¤Ability to do the impossible! Mighty God
¤Fatherly responsibility on children! Eternal Father
¤Peace permeating all worshipers! Prince of Peace
Isaiah 9:6
1~There must be effective counseling in their meetings to drop those who aren't willing to accept it behind for progress!
2~They must be able to do the impossibles like making all comply with Jesus' command for their salvation!
3~Their teachings must be evident in all the members so that all observers will know they have ONE principled FATHER!
4~There must be PEACE amongst worshiper to eradicate causes of hatred and wars like POLITICS and RACISM!
So if you find TWO,THREE or more people gathered in the name of Jesus, but they are not WORKING in line with this motives, please avoid their gathering[Psalms 1:1-2] Because their gathering is the handiwork of SATAN to mock Jesus' NAME! Matthew 7:21-23, 15:7-9, 2Timothy 3:5, Revelations 16:13-14

Now, is it only JWs that has these 4 qualities among different denominations all over the world?

Also, are you saying it's only POLITICS AND RACISM that generate hatred?

Barristter07:
Let me get you clearly
He wasn't a son before coming to earth ?

He is the word of God before entered creation as the Son of God.

johnydon22:
Something can be ordered and still not have specific parts with specific functions. A circle is an ordered pattern.

A circle can come as a result of conscious intent - design

And it also can come from a random process even chaotic ones if you will.

See the way you're just contradicting yourself.
Doesn't circle have a specific function?

A random event can produce circle, that's true! But how many times if repeated with the same event will produce a circle? That's the point.

I actually do not know. We are carbon based life, so we can't really conclusively assert what and how life could exist based on our experiences on earth.

Life could happen anywhere even on Jupiter.

Heck, Titan is one of the biggest candidates based on our own standards to possess life in this solar system and it's not even close to where the earth is.

Now imagine a universe with so many planets we don't even have the number to quantify it. You can't possibly account for the right conditiond necessary for life except for the type of life that you are used except you are saying that life can only possibly happen one way.

After you've established that you're a carbon based life, you went further to contradict yourself. You said life could happen even in Jupiter yet no scientists will ever made that statement.

So what stop other planets to have life?

Lol. The bigger pointet to conscious intent would be if the planets switched suddenly without apparent physical cause.

Physical cause is dead to a random event.

What mile/per would be wrong?

Anything less/high than what earth is now.

The time bacteria first evolved

What was the quantity of oxygen then and since when does the one we have now stabilized?

Why is the quantity does change again?

So, you reached a quantifiable variable of 0 for a probability problem but couldn't show the logical deductions (maths) that led to that conclusion?

That's not a good way to make a case of your argument being valid bro.

On what basis did I draw my first probability?

It's evident you didn't grab my point then...

This is my statement again!

"It shows these elements are following a lay down rules that didn't change from beginning because had it been they were not designed to be so, the probability that these things will continue to repeat their operations for million years (as some scientists believe) is Capital ZERO!"

johnydon22:
Something can be ordered and still not have specific parts with specific functions. A circle is an ordered pattern.

A circle can come as a result of conscious intent - design

And it also can come from a random process even chaotic ones if you will.

See the way you're just contradicting yourself.
Doesn't circle have a specific function?

A random event can produce circle, that's true! But how many times if repeated with the same event produces a circle? That's the point.

I actually do not know. We are carbon based life, so we can't really conclusively assert what and how life could exist based on our experiences on earth.

Life could happen anywhere even on Jupiter.

Heck, Titan is one of the biggest candidates based on our own standards to possess life in this solar system and it's not even close to where the earth is.

Now imagine a universe with so many planets we don't even have the number to quantify it. You can't possibly account for the right conditiond necessary for life except for the type of life that you are used except you are saying that life can only possibly happen one way.

After you've established that you're a carbon based life, you went further to contradict yourself. You said life could happen even in Jupiter yet no scientists will ever made that statement.

So what stop other planets to have life?

Lol. The bigger pointet to conscious intent would be if the planets switched suddenly without apparent physical cause.

Physical cause is dead to a random event.

What mile/per would be wrong?

Anything less/high than what earth is now.

The time bacteria first evolved

What was the quantity of oxygen then and since when does the one we have now stabilized?

Why is the quantity does change again?

So, you reached a quantifiable variable of 0 for a probability problem but couldn't show the logical deductions (maths) that led to that conclusion?

That's not a good way to make a case of your argument being valid bro.

On what basis did I draw my first probability?

It's evident you didn't grab my point then...

This is my statement again!

"It shows these elements are following a lay down rules that didn't change from beginning because had it been they were not designed to be so, the probability that these things will continue to repeat their operations for million years (as some scientists believe) is Capital ZERO!"

johnydon22:
Presence of specific functions for specific parts is another precursor that increases the likelihood of design.

Is still the same with orderliness. Don't forget those specific functions what set of rules each specific part must rely on.

Well, this reply address your "Right orbit" point. Not other life supporting factors.

If earth wasn't placed at the right orbit, it can't support life, true or false?

Besides, for planets not to switch their orbit is another design mind. Imagine, if Jupiter suddenly switch to earth orbit.

I said, what would be the right miles/per and what are the implications? Elaborate?

Earth is at the right mile/per hour now that's it could support life.

This point disputes your idea of oxygen being a design inherent to earth, it implies a default state of earth with the right amount of oxygen.

This refutation shows Oxygen quantity isn't default to earth hence is consonant to your idea.

It didn't!

Now let me ask you, if oxygen quantity isn't default, when last did it change?

Work me through this maths that led you to reach 0 as an answer

No math here, for something to be repeating itself million times shows it was designed that way.

No math to know that Manual transmission will continue in gear 1 till eternity if driver fails to switch while automatic transmission shows gear can be switched without driver's knowledge.

johnydon22:
Ok, so order = design? I'm not exactly sure order is the only precursor to design.

What other precursor do you think?

Lets vet these examples:

Ok

1. There are countless planets in the goldilock zone.

Goldilock zone only shows those planets are in habitable region if other factors that support life are met.

2. What woulf be the wrong miles/per

It will be disastrous

3. Uuuuhm, oxygen is actually alien to earth, it was a later addition by premodial life forms.

Whether it's alien or not, what we know is that today we have right quantity amount of oxygen and nitrogen in air mixture and any change from either of this can proof whether oxygen is truly alien to earth.

4. Ok

Yeah

So, work me towards how they made you arrive at your conclusion?

It shows these elements are following a lay down rules that didn't change from beginning because had it been they were not designed to be so, the probability that these things will continue to repeat their operations for million years (as some scientists believe) is Capital ZERO!

Janosky:
Are you so daft ?

With whose permission did an angel visit Gideon?Judges 6:11-22.
With whose permission did Jesus come to the earth ? John 7:16. 3:16.

When Jehovah sent an angel on any mission, that angel is carrying out Jehovah's will, an expressed order from God Almighty.

** Other wise, it's not Jehovah's will.

Jude 1:6***
"the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but ABANDONED their own homes..."

Angels are free moral agents too. They never sought Jehovah's permission to marry daughters of men. Jehovah FORBIDS it.
Those rebellious angels knows that.

They simply "ABANDONED" their duty post to commit iniquity.

If not because you're so dull, you wouldn't have responded so silly.

Your lack of simple comprehension always makes you comment quickly and it only exposes your stupidity.

Maximus69:
You need to STUDY the Bible with us before you can fully grasp all of these!

Grabbing lie bah

If you read of any angel introducing himself, it was granted by Jehovah otherwise they have NO right to speak with humans!

JWs and their double standard!
So the angels you believe have sex with human in Noah's day were given permission by Jehovah

But the rebellious ones who NO MORE knows nothing about God's arrangements are causing all they could before their destruction!

So there was a time when angels don't need permission from Jehovah but can act on their own will

Please there is no other names of angels mentioned unless if you go outside the Bible ,those arrogant angels wants to deal with people anyway and they've infected people with the spirit of ARROGANCE,that is why all those carrying such books can never be united as a global family like true Christians[JWs]!

And this is coming from someone who see another person carrying Bible OPENLY and claiming to be Born again Christian as eye service but going about NL shouting we do the work of Jehovah, we are the only one practicing what we preach e.t.c isn't eye service.

Hypocrite!

johnydon22:
The argument of design is one of the best arguments those who argue for the existence of God has in their arsenal, I myself consider the argument of design a very profound, logical and probable argument.

You see, but i have noticed one thing, those who usually use this argument seldom define for the merit of their argument how they recognize when something is designed? Or at least, things that makes it fair to assume that something is designed.

And on the other hand, those that argue against design, I'd say do not seem to also show that they understand what the fundamental premise that leads to the assumption of design.

This thread is to vet exactly what the proponents of the argument of design mean when they make such argument.

How do you recognize design?
What are the pointers that make you think it is logical to assume something was designed?

Something design means it follows orderliness.

For instance, a clock ticks every second and it must continue to tick always that's the designer's idea, if the action is repeated million times you'll be getting the same result.

Now if clock wasn't design, it means it can tick sometimes in second, or minute, even hour.

Let's compare this with earth that was designed to support life! "For the Lord is God, and he created the heavens and earth and put everything in place. He made the world to be lived in, not to be a place of empty chaos. “I am the Lord,” he says, “and there is no other."

1. Our earth is in its right orbit
2. Earth rotates at the right miles/per
3. Earth has right amount of oxygen & nitrogen in the air mixture.
4. Earth has right layers of atmosphere e.t.c

Maximus69:
YES!
Carrying Bible openly and claiming born again Christians but not agreeing that worshipers of the same God must be moved by his holy spirit to worship in the same manner, yes Sir i have turned away from all of them!

Show us where he ever said worshippers of the same God must be moved by His Holy spirit and not worship in the same manner.

For your information, that scriptural text is what made me abandoned Islam for the search of those worshiping One God in Spirit [without any noisy parades of showoff] and Truth [in harmony with God's word which is powerful enough to make them a family]

Hypocrite!

Aren't you people doing the same by claiming you're the one going from house to house most?

You know scriptures more than everyone...

You practice what you preach more than anyone else

You don't look for people's trouble

You're calm, you're this you're that...

Even on this page alone, it is glaring who is bragging about outward appearance godliness.

Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

TATIME:
As far as we're concerned, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're NOT worshiping our God!

At least it's your God and not the The living God of the universe.

That is what we're saying with our words, thoughts and actions. But it is you and your folks practicing INTERFAITH that misconstrued our stand as condemning you!

Imagine, we misconstrue it or you people say it openly even in your publication...that's another hypocrisy from the mister of hypocrite.

If you believe that you're worshiping the same God with all religious group claiming Christians, we don't!

Then why did you say only God knows the true belief...

Are you not saying you're God for you to know?

That is why our God gave us a special name to distinguish us from all those claiming Christians! Isaiah 65:15

Yet no early Christians ever addressed with such name but were all called CHRISTIAN which means Christlike.

TATIME:
You are saying what you believe Sir and i am saying what i believe, so only God can determine whose belief is correct or wrong!

But you people turn yourself to God before by claiming ONLY JWs are the true Christians on earth.

I bet your organization will disagree with you on this your statement, well it seems some of you have began to come to your senses lately.

Jozzy4:
Liar liar .

For God sent his only begotten SON.
Who did he sent ? If he wasn't a son before
God the son didn't exist before he came to earth ? no such thing as Trinity ? Una they rope yourself

Hypocrite!

Read my post again, were you be able to differentiate between when scripture spoke about Jesus preincarnation and postincarnation?

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON

How was He begotten?

Jozzy4:
Am asking a question. Is Jesus not created ? Why called Son of God ? At least before you accuse someone of changing meaning, we must be certain about how genuine is your claim

Liar you said I Emusan agreed with the word OTHER...Did I?

See my answer above!

Barristter07:

It only change the narration, if Jesus wasn't created.

Is he not ? A question possed to you by the monicker " Jozzy4 " says explain why he is called Son of God.

And the truth is Jesus wasn't created, so your translation is faulty.

Jesus is the Son of God because He was born by God on earth

Jesus was The Word of God before His incarnation.

The Word of God is God!

I'll continue to say, until you people will be able to differentiate between when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He became part of creation and after He entered creation (become part of creation) then you people will continue in your delusional.

shadeyinka:
I used the word "memory verses" because you are prone to ignoring questions when asked and instead what you do is just to state your doctrines. To me it sounds like a repeatation of what you have been taught rather than an analysis of the Scriptures for the truth!

My brother, pay attention to that @color part, you perfectly describe them and that's what they were actually taught.

Defending watchtower organization and abandoned their reasoning in the hall.

Note: It's intentional and their aim is to divert your attention from the main point and confuse you with their lies.

Janosky:
Janosky is in sifia pains and a hypocrite... Lying Pharisee wey no know say scriptures confirmed scriptures.

Jesus said his God and Father did NOT come in the flesh , "The Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have NEVER heard his voice nor seen his form"
John 5:37. Jesus words still refuted your God's own blood falsehood in Acts20:28.

How can God shed his own blood since Jesus said his God and Father was never seen on earth ?
Or you mean Jesus lied.
Go throway your God was manifest in the flesh falsehood for dustbin.

** Jesus says his God and Father granted life to his son, Jesus.
John 5:26.

Jesus Father and God created the universe THROUGH the Word, his spokesman, Jesus. Heb1:1,2.

"OTHER" emphasized what Jesus said in John 5:26 and Paul's account in Heb1:1,2 as AUTHENTIC FACT.
Are you so daft ? How can the one his Father granted life be the Creator?

Paste the words of Matt11;25,26 & Eph 3:14,15 into your brain.
Else ,your mumu is incurable.

Hypocrite JWs and your point is still watchtower has the right to insert word to propagate their devilish doctrines but others don't.

Dishonest JWs I asked you to show us the Greek grammar construct of Colossians 1 since you agreed with the same Greek grammar construct of Acts to justify John 1:1, but what sayeth thou You pretended as if you didn't see it.

God of mercy will deliver you and your GB from hypocrisy!

Jozzy4:
Emusan agreed Other is not wrong ,

Stop attacking straw man, Why is Jesus called Son of God if he wasn't ccreated ?

Since he is created, JW are right

What is this one saying

Janosky:
Greek 'theou', 'theos', 'theon' meaning "Gods", "God", "god", "gods , lower case or upper case is not significant.
I already know that Acts12:22 NWT, reads 'a god', I'm a Bible student, all JWs are.

More so, Jesus says He is God's son and God's sons are gods.
The son of God is a god. John 10:34-36.
" The scriptures can not be broken"
Lying Pharisee and hypocrites
like Emusan and shadeyinka are too blind to see it.

You're just attacking a straw man.

My post to your brother is about Col 1:16-17 which he agreed the word OTHER was added for emphasis.

But look how foolish you change the whole point of discussion and begin to beat about the bush.

Notice what you're doing here, you're telling us reason why a word can be inserted. I have asked you before, so do you think other translations can justify the reason they also added some words into their own translations?

It is so stupid to think JWs are the only one who have right to defend insertion into their translation and also hypocrisy to accuse someone of what you yourself is doing.

The other day, you said to promote Trinity the translator of KJV fraudulently inserted the word GOD in 1 Tim 3:16

Your reason: The word GOD doesn't appear in the original manuscript.

But when I pointed you to Acts 20:28 where your own organization inserted the word SON which doesn't appear in the original manuscript to promote their own devilish doctrine, your tune changed!

What did you do? You didn't see it as a fraudulent act and way of promoting watchtower doctrine but you were roaming about trying to justify why watchtower did so...which you couldn't do with the same KJV.....Hypocrite!

Lastly, it's evident that NWT translator intentionally and fraudulently inserted words into their own translation to promote their own devilish doctrines.

The reasons the Greek grammar construct justified "a" before 'theou' @ Acts12:22 is the same reasons John 1:1 MUST have "a" because Greek John 1:1b- 'the Word was with the God', shows that the Word is not the God, they are different beings.

Since you agree with Greek grammar construct here

If you're such an honest being, kindly shows us how the Greek grammar construct justified OTHER in between ALL THINGS in Colossians 1

I know you'll begin to sing another song now.

Janosky:
Oga Emusan ,
So, what's the intended point of adding the word "a" before 'theou' @ Acts12;22?

Do you now agree that NWT did the same thing you people are always accused other translations for?

That's the point....

But you will castigate others translations but trying to justify the reason why NWT did it and never the reason why other did it....

Hypocrite!

Barristter07:
First, There are various translations that rendered the Greek word e-lay differently and not me in all context , the root meaning can also mean WHOM ! . Keep in mind that the strong concordance in your screenshot only highlight the KJV usages .


Secondly, But let us look at the KJV context and see If it support the " Me " translation.

Zech 12:10:
"And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."


Why the sudden change from ME to HIM ?

A question to you shadeyinka . so who is pierced, who is mourned for ?

I cannot laugh . I want answers

Are you saying Zec 12:10 isn't talking about Jesus Christ or what is your point exactly?

Barristter07:
Your point exactly: Is it wrong to add the word " OTHER " for emphasis ?

So to you adding the word OTHER in those verses didn't change the narration and the intended point of the original writer....

Wasn't the word OTHER added to place Jesus as second created being

If other translations do it, it's to support their false doctrine but if JWs does it, it's justified and right!


Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

dawnomike:
In my opinion..., He did not. That was why he decended into the grave to preach to them. The same gospel we heard was preached to them also in the hades when Christ died and I guess just the way some are not accepting the gospel on earth now, Some of the dead too then did not accept the Gospel Christ preached to them also.

#MYOPINION

The OP asked, did Jesus die for the sins of those who lived before His crucifixion?

Of course scripture confirms that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world as a lamb slain from foundation of the world.

samuelson06:
Wow. Can I call them from Ikorodu?

You can call them anyway around the world...

Berekete is a big family and you won't regret of coming in contact with Ordinary President.

It is only this man that gave me little hope about this country.

Explorers:
First delivered in 1984, the Boeing 757 is still flying services for Delta.

The first model, the 757-200, was 45 per cent more fuel efficient than the Boeing 727 it replaced.

In 1992, Delta received the 500th 757 made by Boeing and since 2007 has operated the largest 757 fleet in the world.

See what they were served and useless Arik and Airpeace will be given us biscuits and God forsaken fish roll.

LordReed:
Lemme ask you, according to your theology, are you still a sinner since you committed sin in the past?

If my sin in the past is fornication and I committed murder now that still made me a sinner...

JWs keep being hypocrite in different ways...

So what they did 18years ago is one of many ones they have done and still doing.