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Maximus69:
Apostate, so you still remain a spiritual fugitive of the none denominational refugees!

The spiritual war disrupting their high places {Churches} has rendered many of them homeless as in refugees from different devastated cities! They now lack confidence in their so called Pastors, GOs and so on due to betrayal of trust!

Jehovah's Witnesses are dwelling peacefully in our spiritual mountain that's unreachably too high for unbelievers to dwell! Isaiah 2:2

Sorry is you name!

That's how you people will be perambulating without addressing the main issue.

If the name CHRISTIAN has been tarnished or suddenly overtaken by Satan as you people always say, why is your organization still using the name CHRISTIAN?

That's the point!

You can eat your cake and also have it.

You can tell us how a name has been corrupted yet still associating with the same name.

LordReed:
You stated that God created everything independently but from the same SOURCE and when pressed how water and earth are the same source you revise the bible.

Imagine, when pressed or you couldn't phantom my post.

My last statement read: All creatures were called EARTHLY CREATURES, there's a reason for that...did you grab that

The bible does not say the god made the creatures from the Earth, it clearly states that the god made sea and air creatures from water while land creatures came from earth.

I can see how you keep confusing the word Earth and Land, so go back to my post again and make sure you understand what you read this time.

I've been seeing the way you keep committing this blunder "air creatures were created from water" sorry that's not what the Bible says.

It is you that has a problem with your own bible not me.

When it's evident that you couldn't decipher my post.

LordReed:
This is just revisionist. The bible clearly separates the 2 but you are now saying it's the Earth that is the source. Why didn't the god say Earth bring forth sea, land and air creatures? Instead it speaks separately to water and to earth.

That's the problem with you people...leaving the main point of discussion and begin to go in circle.

Go back to my post you quoted and see you've deviated from the main point.

LordReed:
The bible clear says it was water that brought forth sea and air creatures while earth brought forth land creatures but you say they are from the same source ergo earth and water are the same according to you.

I can see how you greatly misunderstood my point...

>Sea brought forth DIFFERENT CREATURES according to their kinds making sea creatures to be made from the same source.

Same thing with land and air!

All together including human are all EARTHLY CREATURES.

LordReed:
This is the first time I am hearing that water and earth are the same thing.

And who said so

LordReed:
And what of the sea creatures were they made of earth too?

And I guess sea is not part of the earth

LordReed:
What same source?

You have Bible on your phone, good! Open to Genesis 1 and read it slowly.

Lastly, everything on earth were called EARTHLY creatures, there's a reason for that

Dhumancanvas:
If all things were created independent from each other there is no reason why pretty much all spieces in some way share DNA.

I find this statement disturbing because it actually never represents the view of creationist.

God created everything independently but from the same SOURCE

Yet you guys will be forming scholar when it comes to Bible

If your statement is true, maybe then evolution is just a corrupted script of the Word of God.

Mordecai:
The sole reason PDP couldn't deliver Ndume or Ekweremadu is this: INDISCIPLINE.

I now begin to appreciate the work Oshiomhole is doing, instilling discipline in all APC officeholders. They are carefully towing party lines now while PDP cannot even unite for Ekweremadu.

It's a shame.

Most of you will just sit behind keyboard and be saying something else.

That's politics and nothing more!

Both Ekweremadu and Ndume were planted to make it more election rather than fixing (unopposed) if not you should have asked yourself, why must it be today that Ekweremadu was nominated? Does he look like someone who really vying for a post?

Come to asokoro in Abuja and see how these politicians mingle with themselves but be playing enemies outside.

budaatum:
What did you get?
Be more specific with your question.

I don't know exactly the point you're trying to make with this your statement...

I see the problem. I was told I can't be a Online JW self after showing my certification, and was told I'm "certainly NOT worshiping our own God JEHOVAH. Period! smiley smiley smiley" It is rather odd if the same person says, "leave the judgement in Jesus' hands".

Should one not think that when one is condemning?

Someone explain the essence of this verse to me please.

budaatum:
I see the problem. I was told I can't be a Online JW self after showing my certification, and was told I'm "certainly NOT worshiping our own God JEHOVAH. Period! " It is rather odd if the same person says, "leave the judgement in Jesus' hands".

Should one not think that when one is condemning?

Someone explain the essence of this verse to me please.

Sorry I didn't get you very well

Could you please explain further?

Maximus69:
Why do you people love falsely accusing others?
Jehovah's Witnesses aren't saying 'we're the only true worshipers of God'
Of course there are many Gods and many Lords! 1Corinthians 8:5
You can claim that yours is the one and only true one just as your friend said earlier.
But as regards JEHOVAH our own God, you can't possibly worship him without 100% compliance to the standards and principles agreed upon within us. Matthew 16:19
That is EXACTLY what we're saying, so don't get it twisted Sir!

Frustration of a hypocrite!

You said to him "He can't just calmly present his beliefs without judging the opposite side."

How many times have you CALMLY PRESENTED your belief without judging the opposite side?

Maximus69:
I wonder o! He is always judgmental against whoever has contrary opinion.
Thank God everyone can see his attitude and the spirit he keep displaying. He can't just calmly present his beliefs without judging the opposite side.
Every follower can see that you and JWs aren't on the same page.
So there is no point judging since you can't be a co~debator and at the same time the judge!

TATIME: Well i've been following this thread from page one, and i think you and Maximus have both made enough presentations to help all followers see the differences between the doctrines of JWs courtesy Maximus and Christendom courtesy shadeyinka.
If both of you were allowed to judge based on what you think of each others stand, i'm sure he couldn't have seen you any way better than what you just described.
One thing that i know is what Jesus Himself said "By their fruit, you will know"
Please let's leave the judgement in Jesus' hands, you and i know fully well that "Jesus is the BEST judge!"

See hypocrisy written all over their statements.

When it pleases them they turn themselves to God by judging others and condemn them as fake Jesus' followers but when they were pressed they tell you, you are judgmental against those who have contrary opinion to yours and please let's leave the judgement to the hands of Jesus as Jesus is the BEST judge.

Yet these are the people who see themselves as the only TRUE WORSHIPPERS of God.

I don't know why you guys are just spamming my mention

TATIME:
He lied by rephrasing what the other man said!

Now you called it rephrase but to him is a QUOTE
I don't know when you guys will one day openly accept your error and apologize but always try to be superhuman who can't make mistakes.

(1) I worship with JWs but there their doctrines doesn't don't define my own personal beliefs!
(2) I worship with JWs but i don't believe all their teachings!
Please what's the difference between this these two?

Even you that want to correct and proof Mr ITK still continue the lie
He didn't say "their doctrines didn't define my own personal BELIEFS" but "their doctrines didn't define ME"

You're a Nigerian but does Nigeria constitution define you? Hypocrite!

I don't believe ALL THEIR TEACHINGS isn't even synonymous to THEIR DOCTRINES DON'T DEFINE me not to talk of equating them.

Lawlessness connotes a situation where there is no law binding on those within a community! Each person could form his own standard of right and wrong.
Is that not why all of you are arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing one another due to differences generating from each person's beliefs or analogy?
The only way to deceive your brother is when you say 'we're of same father, but my father's rules differs from your father's rule' is that not a bases for Lawlessness?
Instead of killing your own soul out of hatred for the TRUTH, why not just remain silent?
God is listening to all what everyone is saying regarding HIS righteous decrees, so don't just keep arguing with annoyance. Malachi 3:16
So think before you talk! James :19

Do you all do these things hypocrite

shadeyinka:
Please ask him to show you where I said that highlighted in RED!
He is a liar like his father.

I already knew he's lying that's why I didn't give that part much attention.

Maximus69:
You've missed the point again!

And you get it correct, right

Listen carefully Sir, even if you have a grudging mindset against our organization.

Showing you truth from the scripture now equates to having grudges with your organization.

Aren't you people claim nothing you do outside the scripture

But please listen to know who we are and what we stand for.
¤Whoever feels the need for ONE single channel of divine guidance is already a Jehovah's Witness at heart. So even if he is presently a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim, Aborigine or any of your so called Denominations, our Presentations for ONE single channel of divine guidance will appeal to him and he will join us without delay! John 6:44 compared to verse 66-69

My point is where in the scripture was it boldly written that ONE SINGLE CHANNEL

¤Whoever feels NO need for a single channel of divine guidance will never see anything appealing to him/her in JWs! So even if he/she accidentally finds himself in our midst, his/her heart condition for choosing right and wrong independently will NOT allow such a person to remain in our GROUP! 1John 2:19
That is why Jesus' illustration says there is a 'GREAT GULF' fixed in between our camp and your camp, you will never feel COMFORTABLE crossing to our side neither will any from our side feel COMFORTABLE crossing to your side! Luke 16:26
So instead of arguing with JWs, just watch out for people who likes to worship in the midst of others but don't care for any kind of bond thereafter, those are yours!

So your previous lie that all members of watchtower are all core members who can't go against watchtower is no more substantial.

Compare this your statement with the one above to see how hypocritical you are:
"That is NOT the case with Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're one of us you're a member to the core!
You will never see a person claiming to be a JW yet telling you i believe in INTERFAITH, because we're 100% sure that our organization is the ONLY true one!"

I've been telling you guys to show us where it was written in the scripture that ONE GROUP is it all...yet you keep rehearsing the song of your GB

But whenever you finds someone who love to worship with people having strong bond with their fellow worshipers, just please just help us tell him/her 'go and join Jehovah's Witnesses'. They are our kind!

So can you start telling those unlikes mind within your congregation to go and join their likes first?

God bless you!

And you too

Maximus69:
Don't waste your energy Sir!
The case has been resolved even before you raise it!
Shadeyinka said 'i am a member of ECWA, but i DON'T believe in everything the church teaches!'

This is one the myopic statement I use to talk about you.

So the same goes to all of you, that is why you're all claiming NONE~DENOMINATIONAL as you can't vouch for the group with which you worship!

Says who?

That is NOT the case with Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're one of us you're a member to the core!

If this is true, why then some people are leaving watchtower?
I know you'll come with bad eggs excuse but forgotten that your drain brain has already generalized it.

You will never see a person claiming to be a JW yet telling you i believe in INTERFAITH, because we're 100% sure that our organization is the ONLY true one!

So you even know the mind of everyone in your organization, that's interesting and means you're God.

Besides, is it all Christians that supported interfaith?

Sorry sir, if it's NOT Jehovah's Witnesses they can NEVER be as committed as Jehovah's Witnesses!

Jesus addressed seven churches in the province of Asia in Revelations...

Despite the fact that Jesus found one thing or two wrong in their teachings yet Jesus never disowned them nor say they never belong to Him.

What is the clue from this to you that always shouting ONE GROUP?
1. It's evident that these churches never have the same doctrines as the church at Pergamos still have some who hold the doctrine of Balaam.
The church at Thyatira failed to correct the woman Jezebel e.t.c
2. Jesus aware that there are different churches (which is actually scripturally true)
3. Jesus' message shows that He didn't support your claim of ONE GROUP if not He would have addressed it while writing them.

Even Jesus whom you're claiming to be following His footsteps or take as a role model didn't condemn those churches rather encouraged them.

But anywhere you have opportunity to type you turn yourself to God and proclaim your self righteousness.

Maximus69:
Now if Jesus of Nazareth is just ONE person, how come you and your folks now agreed that there should be countless school of thoughts with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of one single Bible character 'JESUS'
Sorry my friend, it is spiritual blindness and inability to comprehend the easiest concept that's affecting you and all your folks!

Do you also know that Watchtower teaching is one of the contradicting teachings within the Christendom

It's so funny to see you separating Watchtower society and group other denominations as ONE.

Why can you do it this way?

Take Catholic body as Watchtower
Take ECKWA church as watchtower

Now, this is my point...
Does Catholic Church have different teachings among themselves?
Does ECKWA Church have different teachings within them?
Does Deep life Bible Church have different teachings within the church?

Don't forgotten that the way Watchtower is, is the same way you should place Catholic or Deeper life..

1. Not only Watchtower Society didn't take Jesus as God
2. Not only Watchtower society didn't believe in the existence of Hell fire.
3. Not only watchtower society didn't follow Trinity.
And many more....

But it's so ridiculous seeing JWs making statements like "you can't even agree among yourselves" when watchtower is also part of that "Yourselves"

Maximus69:
It simply means you don't understand the Bible!
Jesus was treated badly by religious teachers of his day!
And his followers we're persecuted for teaching what Jesus taught! Act 5:27-29
Jesus said those teaching exactly the same thing will always be treated as demonistic! Matthew 10:22-25
Your friend quoted Jesus' word and applied it to invisible worshipers when there is a well known GROUP receiving that same treatment globally due to teaching what other DIVERS religious group {having contradictions amongst themselves} termed as 'heresy' Act 24:5-6

Now you said "'my friend'-(emphasis added) quoted Jesus statement and applied it to invisible worshipers...." waoooo

Anyways, your lie was about the TITLE of this thread not about the body, can you see your life outside

Maximus69:
Haba! What is your problem?
Must you trail me into all thread because i refuse to become a nonedenominational fugitive?

What is your problem too?
Must you be parading your delusions on Nairaland

Well if someone is involved in VIOLENCE { Psalms 11:5} and your brother now asked if such a person is NOW a Muslim.
My question is to verify if Muslims should always be involved in violence?
As a TRUE Christian, we're not to be trapped in any works of the flesh{ Galatians 5:20} no matter how Satan brandishes his weapons we will conquer by not succumbing to doing Satan's will {Isaiah 54:17} even if he presents VIOLENCE to make us love it in form of SPORT!

Hypocrite! You see Boxing as violent and instrument of the devil but JWs can watch football, I guess it's Jesus or Jehovah that established football.

Maximus69:
What was his religion before now?

Don't you have Google on your phone

Why can't you present your fact to enlighten or counter the OP

Maximus69:
Exodus 6:2-3
Said
Verse 2 'And God spake unto Moses,and said unto him'
Verse 3 'And i appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was i not known to them' KJV
Please does this mean that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew God's name 'JEHOVAH'?
Or that statement meant something deeper than that?

How does this support your lie that the title never talked about A GROUP but Christ name's sake

Maximus69:
So according to the title of the thread, surely the evidence is proved that there is actually a group that people of all sorts will hate for no just cause! Matthew 24:9
God bless you!

You have come with your Mumbo jumbo again

Did the title say A GROUP or Christ's Name

ExAngel007:
why?

that Sea creature has almost 98.5 near human intelligence

Yet they were unable to create speed boat for themselves...

Jozzy4:
Quote it in full , Jesus spoke concerning Ressurection of the dead, has the ressurection occur?

You are asking me to quote in full, very funny!

Here is NIV version maybe it can cure your delicious.

"37 But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.” Luke 20

Notice: 1st @underlined: the statement isn't in the future tense like "the dead will arise" but "DEAD ARISE"

and the last @underlined should cure your brainwashed forever because it says "...for to him ALL ARE ALIVE"

Jozzy4:
You mean he wasn't a Mighty God before his birth ? Wow .

One thing I've noticed is that you people don't consider the center of your discussion when arguing.

Because your knowledge is small nah , Everlasting father won't have died . he ought to be everlasting ... But did the Messiah die ?
Until after his ressurection, he wasn't everlasting father

@underlined is my final point!

Isn't it obvious now how hypocritical you are?

Compare @underlined with this "Shall be called does not imply the person isn't already in that capacity"

But you have to shift only everlasting father to post resurrection simply because it contradicted your devilish doctrine.

Son was begotten before the world, didn't it say so ? Use your sense nah

Read it again and again, maybe you'll understand this time.

Are angels his son ? Job 38:7

Yes

U are sounding silly already, Didn't Angels got called Son of God before he was born, Are they not more excellent if they got the name before him ?

That's why I'll always say you people lack scriptural understanding.

That's to tell you that the person in question wasn't an angel, which proves your organization wrong that Jesus is an angel.

Angels are called the sons of God not in a sense Hebrew addressed that God Himself has never called
any angel "His Son", so it's evident from the view of the writer that when the uncreated Word of God became human, He must take FIRST POSITION in everything.

And the Son inherited the name

Read Heb 1:2 he made the world through the SON . if he wasn't son then that won't have been true.

Heb 1:2 begins with "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..."

Jozzy4:
You have uttered this trash before and have been corrected , Nothing survives a man at death . the Bible said you can't find the living among the dead .

And the same Bible says God is not the God of the dead but of the living...who is correct, you or God?

Jozzy4:
The point is that we both agree Jesus is Mighty God before birth That already send the message needed, Shall be called does not imply the person isn't already in that capacity

Where did I agree with the @underlined

Then @color it means you agree He's already an EVERLASTING FATHER

Wonderful...

You yourself know he didn't become everlasting father at his birth . But he was a mighty God , both are different

Ole....he was a mighty God but not an everlasting Father.

What is different?
Isn't the phrase "SHALL BE CALLED" also applied to everlasting father?

You want to eat your cake and also have it.

If not because you lack comprehension, All I needed in that quote was " Son " , which the write up quoted admitted he was before his birth,

See master of the most low level comprehension talking.

Read the write up again and again to see you're just lying and couldn't comprehend what the writer meant.

Meanwhile, no where your claim is established within Trinity doctrine, then it's an evident that you don't understand what you're even fighting against.

hahaha mehn

Job 38:7 " THE SONS OF GOD " ( Angels)

They even got the name before him ? eeyah

See the mofo laughing at when you should be ashamed of your lies and lack of scriptural indepth.

>>>Wasn't Hebrew 1 distinguished Jesus from the angels, which your lying organization claimed He was?
>>>Wasn't Hebrew 1 established that God has never addressed any angel as "His Son"
>>>Wasn't Hebrew 1 established that the name "The Son of God" was inherited by Jesus which you claimed He has always been before He was born?

Image123:
This is quite a robotic response, you did not address any one of the questions. Let me ask you, please did you copy this response from somewhere and paste here?

They don't answer questions they're just dishing out what GB implanted in their heads.

Imagine, this type of statement from him: "But Israelites have polluted Jerusalem by shedding innocent blood, killing God's holy prophets and finally his only begotten son Jesus! Matthew 23:37
That is why Jesus promised to take his corulers to another destination HEAVEN where he lives! John 14:1-4
These corulers must learn so much about righteous rule from Jesus before God anoint any of them as corulers with his son! Matthew 19:28
Notice that Jesus mentioned REGENERATION or RECREATION! What he meant is that his corulers will be RECREATED for another kind of life HEAVENLY LIFE! That is why all those who are going to heaven MUST BE BORN AGAIN! John 3:2-3"

Maximus69:
It's better to have discussions based on FAITH when millions out there are busy pursuing materials things of the world, sports, gambling and lust!
So let's commend whoever create some time for spiritual things.

Irrelevant!

Everlasting father simply means Jesus have bought obedient mankind who are supposed to be Adam's children with his precious blood, that is how he became our everlasting father{by faith} in replacement of Adam our former DEAD father who passed on sin and death to all of us! Romans 5:12

Brainwashed JWs...did you read what we're talking about before you jump in like a kangaroo

Has Jesus been an everlasting Father before His birth? We are using Isaiah 9:6 as reference where your brothers agreed that to be called mighty God means he must have been God before his birth.

If you deviated from this I won't reply you.

Anyway, how was your ban?

Jozzy4:
Keep shut man

Keep blabbing boy...

You said Isaiah calling him Everlasting Father and Mighty God means He must be God

All am interested in knowing from this
Statement of yours is, has he always been God or just God when he was given birth to?

That's all.

Imagine, see the life of an hypocrite! You said calling Jesus mighty God means He must be before His birth.

Do you agree that calling Jesus everlasting Father means He must be before His birth?

Do you ? Abeg face matter

Do you agree that Jesus is an everlasting Father before His birth?

How exactly , when we know he is the beginning of the creation by God?

But the same Isaiah you are using to mean Jesus has been mighty God before His birth says He is also an everlasting Father. You can see your hypocritical face now.

You don't want to agree that He is an everlasting Father but he's a mighty God

Mr have given you enough proof, take this as well


We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons) , Lit's obvious the reason is that you believe Jesus is a mighty God before His birth but to take Him as an everlasting Father will shamble all your lies and evil doctrines. - Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed

Your claim is "the Trinitarian take Him to be GOD THE SON before creation or birth" all you're just doing is crying around like a child who missed his mum.

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Now let me add to your confusion.

Your position will be:
1. Jesus is an angel before his birth
2. Angels are called sons of God before Christ was born.

Then, fast forward to the book of Hebrew, you see these facts:
1. "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." v4

Comment: Here the scripture told us That Christ INHERITED A NAME more excellent than their own.

What is the name that Christ inherited?

"For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? NWT

Comment: the name CHRIST inherited is THE SON OF GOD according to v5.

Also see how these verses shamble all your devilish doctrines about Christ is an angel.