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Maximus69:
Because they kept it secret for too long, the correct pronunciation of the name was lost. But during the translation from Greek to English, JEHOVAH was the conclusion of the early translators.

Look at the @underlined and see how you're lying on a public forum.

First, Jehovah never have anything to do with Greek even the Greek writers who pen down the NT never use it.

Lastly, even your organization knows that Jehovah was formed by a Roman Catholic mock Ray who is never a translator of any version of the Bible.

The funny thing is, you accuse people of substituting Lord or God which is from Adonai or Elohim but to even choose Jehovah that a Vowel of Adonai or Elohim was inserted to form and because of "people's familiarity with it" is the most irony of it all.

One fact remains that most people often argued that the alphabet 'J' wasn't included in the Jewish writing. But that could be questioned because the city of the great king is named 'J'erusalem till today!

The J argument isn't the most center one, the main issue is that Jehovah was formed wrongly and never that important just as your organization agreed.

Check the pic below the major problem with the word Jehovah and why Yahweh supersedes it.

frank317:
ya right... same why some people who dont bother to pray is part of a purpose and the need for you guys to preach to him on the relevance of prayer is part of the purpose(despite your God assigning them never to believe. Your purpose on earth is to go on a wild goose chase for your God.

This doesn't address my question

Pls put on ur thinking cap for once.

Did you put your first?

Janosky:
Blocked head Janosky and sense are mutually divorced.


Hypocrite Janosky and sense are mutually divorced since 19gbidigbidi !!!!

The same way you know that the "conventional pronunciation" of the name of God's son (is Jesus, even when it's "ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION " Yehoshua" is known.) that's the same way we know the "conventional pronunciation" of YHWH is Jehovah (if you prefer Yahweh, issue no dey)
even though the ORIGINAL Pronunciation of YHWH is unknown.
Since you know the actual pronunciation of God's name is unknown to anyone alive today, why are you so daft to LIE that Yahweh is the correct way to pronounce YHWH?

Is 'Jesus' the actual pronunciation

The reason why you people will continue to be confused as anything is that your brain is too blocked and defiled the law of reasoning.

Did you even ever ask yourself why your own organization says "While many are inclined to view the pronunciation “Yahweh” as the more correct way,..."?

The reason is looking at the root word from where both YAHWEH and Jehovah derived from, Yahweh closed to the root word, where Jehovah only has two alphabets of the root word.

This is different from other Biblical names where their root names and pronunciation are known.

See the picture below.....

Ode or you want to tell me that the pronunciation of Jesus has been lost too..

PastorAIO:
Says who? We know that from time immemorial the Jews have kept the name secret. How do you know that that secret is still not being kept by the select few? Just because you don't know doesn't mean that nobody else must know.

Haven't you just shot yourself in the foot by saying the name is not important. You who have started a whole cult on the basis of restoring this name that you don't even know.

From what I can tell from the bible the name was indeed important and so the reason it has not been 'preserved for you to use' must be because you are not favoured in any way.

I guess this post wasn't directed to me....

Barristter07:
Where in that statement I gave you did the speaker said Yahweh is more correct?

And where did I say "YOU SAID" the speaker says so

The speaker only agreed or acknowledged that there are various forms Favoured by different people for various reasons

Look at the two @underlined as see how you lie boldly in broad daylight.

@underlined 1: The speaker specifically mentioned YAHWEH which is not about agreeing or acknowledge VARIOUS FORMS (Plural)

@underlined 1: No reason was stated rather emphasized that "the pronunciation of Yahweh is MORE CORRECT WAY"

"The form Jehovah " shows where the speaker belongs . the Form he agreed with.

The speaker then went ahead to state his own reasons for adopting that!

Are you saying the form Yahweh and form Jehovah are different

And imagine the ridiculous reason "because people familiarity with it"

Does people familiarity make it correct one?

Whereas you are the one who will claim you people are the only followers of Christ irrespective of what others hold about God.

Hypocrite!

Comprehende ?

Best for you!

Just as you use the original pronunciation for Jesus and others ?

Dumb excuse as usual....so it means the word Jehovah you're even pronouncing isn't the actual one and you think with your dumb skull that it'll will please God.

How do you know the conventional pronunciation in your language when the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION has lost

Even with this obvious statement from your demonic organization, it's enough to open your eyes.

Barristter07:

" While many are inclined to view the pronunciation “Yahweh” as the more correct way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of people’s familiarity with it for centuries. "
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101985061

How does this translate to they agree Yahweh is more correct ?

See the person accusing someone of having comprehension issue whereas is you and your brother who have been displaying such here.

This statement "...WE HAVE RETAINED the form JEHOVAH because of people's familiarity with it" what does it mean? If the speaker point wasn't because Yahweh is accurate than Jehovah

The statement should have been "...we have retained the form Jehovah because it's the actual correct one"

Also see what your hypocritical organisation has to say about the name you're fighting for.

"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language." The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever p.7

frank317:
Do u know the implications of accepting we are created for a purpose? It eliminates Gods role.. It shows that prayer, fasting and praises are silly, because with or without these things ur purpose stands.

So how do you know that prayer, fasting and praises aren't part of that purpose

omale88:
If you haven't attempted taking your life before then don't say a thing on this thread, you think what leads to suicide is a joke?you think to decide to take your own life is child's play?if you have never thought of suicide then you haven't reach the peak of your problems in life yet,now you think those who commit suicide are being foolish because you think like an infant,you have no ideal what real depression is, you have no idea of what it means to be marooned at the middle of the Pacific to swim your way to life while sailors cheer you up passing by in their ship,you have no idea to be in a situation where no one believes you or wants to understand you,you have no idea of what it means to seek money for a surgery and people who can afford to give you that tell you all they could offer is a prayer,as I have said you have no idea about this ailment called depression you are on your own in depression no angel or demon can pull you out of that because they don't feel,God gave only a man the power to do so,but when a man fails,you would be dragged into a cesspool of darkness then perish,but when you survive you become in evitable because you have conquered death in a battle to live and die with a purpose.only those powerful people can relate to what I have written, so I urge all you kids blaming people for comiting suicide to shut it!. the only reason why you blame people for comiting suicide is because you think their choice or options are as clear as yours. You have no idea.

Since I join Nairaland this is the best post I've ever read so straightly addressed the topic in view!

God blesses you for this beautiful post.

The @underlined made my day....

Kkings11:
first Dubai has did it. then Saudi Arabia follow and did it and Japan also did it. My question is when will Nigeria did it too. let time don't come when Togo will did it we will now be thinking why we didn't did it

You need this thread badly...

https://www.nairaland.com/3353009/more-than-just-simple-mistakes

Janosky:
"God's name?
"While inclining to view the pronunciation
[size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct
way,[/size] we have retained the form
[size=14pt]"Jehovah" because of people's
familiarity with it since the 14th century."
Ibid., p. 23


The above statement is a misleading fabrication of your copy and paste online crew.

*Please note: Hebrew scholars generally
favor "Yahweh" as the most likely
pronunciation."
[quote author=Emusan

JWs have NEVER said Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah"
Fact**

If not because you're daft

What is the meaning of this statement?

"While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's
familiarity with it since the 14th century."
Ibid., p. 23

Yet you called me a liar, when it's obvious you're the liar and keep exposing your ignorance!

YAHWEH as the MORE CORRECT way indicated that this is a comparison statement.

Then I can ask you, which one is not MORE CORRECT WAY?

Even hear your hypocrite organization speaking from both mouths

"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language." The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever p.7

Pronunciation of God's name isn't important and God didn't bother to preserve it yet you carry the name on head like Gala.

Dp

Janosky:
I have read your link hence I could see what every honest person would see in that link coupled with your statement.

Janosky can't stop LYING.
Did you Emusan post these statements (1) & (2)?


Pls give an honest reply.

If you actually read the link, how come you missed the part in the attached pix below

Delusion JWs!

Janosky:
JWs themselves admitted that the
rendering of Yahweh is more accurate
than Jehovah "

That is the LIE JANOSK is guilty of..
JWs NEVER said it.

**** Mr LIAR, you are NOT honest.
You posted this write up below, yet you still LIED that JWs said it.
"Hebrew scholars generally favor
"Yahweh" as the most likely
pronunciation." [/size] Aid to Bible
Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract
Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885
Please note: Hebrew scholars generally
favor "Yahweh" as the most likely
pronunciation."

***This is JWs authentic statement below.
NWT---New World Translation is the
Jehovah's witness version of the Holy Bible.
1. The Usage of Jehovah in the NWT
In the NWT, the Bible of the Jehovah's
Witnesses, we read the following:
"Therefore, the foremost feature of this
translation is the RESTORATION of the
DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the
English text. It has been done, using the
commonly ACCEPTED English form
"Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews
Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian
Greek Scriptures." NWT p6.

So clear that you didn't read the link I provided.

Go back and read it slowly this time to clear your delusions. No time to spoon feed you!

Janosky:
Where is the proof for your claim? You too dey lie ,so bring your evidence let everyone see it....
If not, you're doing what you're very good at- LYING !

It's like NL is your home!

And all these while I've been challenging you to provide a single evidence of where I lied, yet you couldn't but only to be shouting lie lie, like a rabies dog

Anyway, this is what you asked for and it has been explained before.

https://www.nairaland.com/2242343/two-things-need-know-jehovahs#32451833

OmoOshodi:
Please I'm just curious

I need answers from matured minds only

Thanks

Who asked you to fight in the first place?

Maximus69:
I wanted to comment on your previous post when you said 'NEVER DISAPPOINT'
I hope you've not forgotten his promise? Matthew 10:19

And who do you think that statement meant for?

But as for the work of the Lord, i think you said your own Jesus still speaks with do directly, so why wait for what mine{who is no more speaking DIRECTLY with me} have to say about his work?
He supposed to tell you DIRECTLY right now what you need to do for him!

So you know all these, then you still went ahead to tell me "just get to work"

SMH...

Maximus69:
1Corinthians 15:58

So can you tell me the work of the Lord I've not been doing that I need to start doing?

Maximus69:
Whatever,
WHATEVER, HOWEVER and WHICHEVER way you feel like preaching your own Jesus, just get to work and let all observers see what you're doing! Matthew 5:14-16

As usual, never disappoint!

Which work should I get to for all observers to see, Mr JWs?

But you can see your previous claim contradicted Jesus statement whom you claim you're working for?

Maximus69:
I've told you that the shepherd is not lost, it's his sheep that are lost in false religions. He has sent his zealous,industrious and selfless workers out into the field to FIND them! Matthew 10:6

And these same workers are the ones making false accusations about Christ today.

There's nothing like ENCOUNTER with the REAL Jesus today because his own approach and arrangement for finding his sheep has been well documented in the Bible for ORDERLINESS amongst his true followers. He has sealed the whole arrangement when he said 'NO MORE ADDITION and NO MORE SUBTRACTION'! Revelation 22:18-19

The only thing Jesus is doing today is INVISIBLY directing his earthly followers on how to complete the gathering of his sheep as one happy global family of worshipers! That's why you're seeing them working as one global family! John 17:20-23

The @color parts say a lot about the self acclaimed followers of Christ. When this was boldly written in their translation

"21 Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.”
22 Judas,+ not Is·carʹi·ot, said to him: “Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself clearly to us and not to the world?”
23 In answer Jesus said to him: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word,+ and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling* with him." John 14:21-23 NWT

See the way you're making Jesus a liar, when He said He will SHOW Himself to whosoever love Him even Him and His Father will make their dwelling with such person.

So auntie nutarious, if you're hearing any strange voice now telling you he is Jesus, know today that it's voice of a demon! Revelation 16:14

Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you o!

So why did Jesus make that statement, if He's not capable of revealing Himself to people

The reason why JWs are arguing blindly is because they never have real encounter with Christ Himself.

iyare14:
What did you do about it?

If it can be traced now, you might be among those who castigated him then or say he's a PDP loser. That's why he hasn't seen anything good about this country.

OLAADEGBU:
Do annihilation and resurrection make sense? Is it logical for annihilation believed by JW's to exist with resurrection, is it rational, reasonable or tenable?

https://carm.org/do-annihilation-and-resurrection-make-sense

Most of their doctrines fail logic test and not scripturally supported.

alBHAGDADI:
He's sees the truth but doesn't want to accept it because it will mean an end to his believe in his organization. So he stylishly rejects it by throwing diversive questions.

Couple with lack of comprehension

Imagine hammering on that particular phrase

That's how you'll know that they lack scriptural understanding

haywizzy007:
Show us how the surrounding verses contradict the words of Jesus Christ..

Answer the questions I asked first

Is that how you were taught in school?

haywizzy007:
Jesus stated an obvious truth..No man has ascended to heaven Is English language the problem or comprehension Mr. albhagdadi?
Did Jesus Christ ascend to heaven to bring good news?
You are just roping yourself the more..
I'm enjoying this

You're the real Olodo....

I wonder why you people will just pick one verse or part of a verse and draw conclusion on it....

Do the previous verses agree with what you're saying?

What is Jesus addressing in his statement before making such point?

haywizzy007:
You mean Jesus was not telling Nicodemus the whole truth? was he deceiving him?
Why do you take pleasure in twisting Jesus' own words?

Why do you take pleasure in not understanding the scripture by looking at the surrounding text either

Janosky:
Janosky keeps exposing his hypocrisy, LIES and stone cold hatred of Bible truth.

Let's see how the Bible speak.... against your ignorance.

*1). Jesus is indeed "some one like a son of man" in Daniel 7:13,14.

But your deluded mind says "Jesus is the "son of man" long before his earthly life and ministry on earth."

You citing Daniel 7 is to support your lies shows how shallow your understanding of the scripture is.

Rev1:9-18 gives solid backing to Dan7:13.
In Dan7:14, he was given authority ,glory and power by the Ancient of Days.
Daniel7:14 validates Eph1:17-22 ,The God of our lord Jesus Christ placed all things (authority, power) under Jesus feet".

As usual strawman attack, using style to divert attention from the main point.

,**2) Where was the spiritual bodies of angels who paid visits to Zechariah (Luke1:11), Lot (Gen19:1,2) and Gideon ( Judges6:11,12) when they were on earth ?

The angels in question didn't TRANSFER THEIR LIFE into any BODY, so your question is irrelevant here.

Jehovah TRANSFERRED THE LIFE of your angel Michael into the womb of Mary and as the same time angel Michael has a spiritual body.

1. Where is the spiritual body where the LIFE was removed?
2. Are you saying life is a person on its own?

I even remember discussing issue like this with JWs on this forum, he said, he admitted the body must be lifeless in heaven and nobody is there to know what actually happened to the body

Barristter07:
You argue its a person , I said IT there refer to a thing . to solve this: I gave you a true Life scenario

I said "IT" was use for Jesus, John the Baptist

Does that mean they are not a person.

For the last time, answer my question first! IF NOT YOUR RANTING WILL CONTINUE.

When Jesus spirit RETURN TO GOD, Was Jesus in heaven that day ?

Answer my question first!

Luke said God will cast something

Matthew explains BOTH Soul and Body, You are putting yourself in more problem

Idiot why didn't you emphasis on the key point of Luke which is "AFTER HE KILLED"?

It's evident that both Matthew and Luke talked about what man and God can do to the BODY but what only God can do after the Body is gone.

Jesus statement . address it.

You can imagine the nonsense you typed above, Do u understand the nonsense you wrote above¿

Let me clarify: Jesus said its better you lose some part of your body than HAVE YOUR WHOLE BODY CASTED INTO HELL .

Emphasis on " Casted into HELL"

So contrary to your earlier lie, the body is Casted into hell.

Your ignorance is alarming!

Jesus Christ said "man can kill the body but CAN'T KILL THE SOUL"

Why would Jesus differentiate between BODY and SOUL if the two are the same?

The Red part expose your lying mouth again, Do you accept body goes to Hell now ?

If not because your ignorance so rich in color

Mark emphasized more on the subject matter "Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, [u]into the fire that never shall be quenched:" KJV[/b]

The first @underlined was talking about the BODY, yet you're claiming BODY can't go to heaven.

The second @underlined talked about FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

Even your corrupted translation can't remove that part from the scripture.

Janosky:
know nothing lying Pharisees pretending to be Christian.

Imagine, using this style to boycott my questions.

Hypocrite JWs

Jesus is the "son of man" long before his earthly life and ministry on earth.
To call Jesus son of man has nothing to do with whether he's in in heaven or earth.
Matt24:30. Daniel 7:13,14.

Your previous statement was: "Jesus passed through the human process of gestation prior to his birth. He was born of a woman, he calls himself. "son of man".
That speaks volumes.

You said "he was born of a woman, he called himself. "son of man"".

Olodo...I will keep exposing your ignorance!

Daniel 7 never called Jesus son of man but "someone like a son of man"

Matthew 24 also, was after Jesus became man not about His preexistence.

Meanwhile, is Jesus no longer Son of God before he was born on earth as you guys claimed again

Brainwashed JWs.

Go and dump your mumu doctrine inside dustbin.
Shikena !

Says someone who lack the scriptural knowledge and put his own salvation life in the hands of organization.

Meanwhile, why we're still on that, you haven't addressed this part of my previous post

1. Where was Jesus spiritual body?
2. You mean Jehovah killed the person of Micheal by only TRANSFERRING His Life (let me watch something here, you may shot yourself in the legs)
3. From these two statements, must there not be something left from what God sent?

Barristter07:
Let's see if it's a thing or person .

When Jesus spirit return to God, was Jesus in heaven that day?

Answer my question first....

If you don't answer it forget about my reply.

Hypocrite!

It trashes you as a liar, U dubious person!

What Did God cast into this Hell I asked ../ your response: Soul alone. Despite Jesus saying BOTH soul and body.

Olodo....

We're talking about Matthew 10 & Luke 12 even specifically on Luke when you asked that question but look at your lying mouth spew nonsense here

Let the next verse reply you better:

"
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole BODY should be CAST INTO hell. KJB

Will God cast the Body into Hell too?

Lying master, this is Matthew 5, how does Matthew 5 next to Matthew 10 If not because you've been taught to lie.

And Jesus statement here is about having half part of your body to make heaven is better than the whole body INTACT without heaven before you enter grave.

This is different from where Jesus distinguished openly BTW the BODY and SOUL by saying

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"

Luke 12:5 "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

karma2000:
Endtime generation he will face de same karma when he gets to his age

Maybe because you haven't boarded plane before who knows...

There is a flight rule not only in Nigeria but all over the world.

You have a seat assign to every passengers on board, Mr Soyinka could have occupied his own first before asking the young man for a seat swap.

For him not to seat in his own assigned seat means himself disrespected the flight rule.

Barristter07:
Let it expose my ignorance ... hahahaha, this film go sweet die!

Do u agree its a thing or whole person ? Emphasis on " IT self "

Just like I said it will expose your ignorance, Jesus was called "IT" John the Baptist was called "IT" and this is one of the useless excuses you people apply to the Holy Spirit.

Meanwhile, your organization says "Jehovah transferred the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of Mary by means of holy spirit."

So it means what Jehovah sent is none existence because it was LIFE which is "IT" that Jehovah sent.

Jesus said BOTH BODY and soul will be in hell .. Do u agree ?



Jesus even once said in some translation ' Whole Body in hell ' Mat 5:29
Am I making sense ?

No sense at all

Explanation already given!

Janosky:
I challenge you to show credible proof that " Jesus used to deceive his disciples" with "other HUMAN BODIES",
If you don't, you're a confirmed LIAR.

I should provide credible proof from who/where