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Maximus69:
You can't bully anyone here Sir,the era of the Pharisaic fears is gone now! Act 5:28

So there was a time you fear Pharisees. unbelievable!

So where did I forbid you not to teach in Jesus' name?

Now anybody can yarn anytime, anywhere, anyhow and any issue, this is social media Sir.

You know this is also applicable to you.

So respect yourself if truly you want to show that you're for Jesus! 1Peter 3:15

How should I respect myself?

Meanwhile, my question still remains.

Why did NWT insert the word SON in Acts 20:28 when it didn't appear in original manuscript?

After all, your brother is accusing someone of inserting the word GOD in 1 Tim 3:16 to propagate the doctrine of Trinity.

Maximus69:
Wahala dey o!
Mr Maximus69, who don't doesn't want to see Christian comment on NL! Now i'm beginning to enjoy all of these!

Address my post if not be silent forever!

Janosky:
** Whether you like it or not, everyone knows that Jehovah or Yahweh is transliteration of God's name ,written YHWH in Hebrew.
Lord is NOT YHWH anywhere.
But Jehovah & Yahweh is YHWH.

https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

** LEXICON
" By common confession the mystery of godliness is great.
He appeared in the flesh......"

Here in the most ancient authorities, the word "God" does NOT occur.
We must, then,literally translate the Greek of the most famous and TRUSTWORTHY MSS as follows:
' He was manifested in the flesh'

Brocab lying Pharisee, Sir Isaac Newton spoke the truth.
You & your Trinity worshippers support your scam with the FALSIFIED version of 1 Tim 3:16.

Now you're shouting that God was inserted by Trinitarian.

Why was the word SON inserted by NWT in Acts 20:28 when it's not in the original manuscript?

I know you will come up with excuse that not only NWT have the word SON but don't forget the point here is from your own statement "We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and TRUSTWORTHY MSS"

Janosky:
Your statement" the verse says I have manifested thy name..."
and your false claims,
"But JWs have to twist it to mean " I have manifested thy name. ..."
That's the proof that some thing is wrong with your brain.
Lie lie full inside.

I can see your ignorance

"I have manifested thy name UNTO MEN..."
"I have manifested thy name THROUGH QUOTING OF THE OLD TESTAMENT..."

This is what you claim Jesus did...

Lying Pharisee, Jesus knew the actual pronunciation of his Father's name & revealed it to his disciples (Jesus said" I have made your name known to them" John 17:26, AMP) even if the actual pronunciation of God's name was lost centuries before he came.
*** Is Jesus a slave of Pharisees & Sadducees? Why should he obey a man made satanic law which forbids the pronunciation of God's name?
** John 17:26 is proof Jesus used & pronounced his Father's name.

If not because you're deluded person...

After you say this "Lying Pharisee, Jesus knew the actual pronunciation of his Father's name & revealed it to his disciples"

If Jesus actually did this, why was your organization agreed with others that the actual pronunciation of God name has been lost centuries before Jesus came and till now no-one knows the real pronunciation?

Why would Jesus' disciples lost such vital information, if it's that important?

If Jesus pronounced the name, why the Jews never accused him of blasphemy? Wouldn't that be one of the ground to stand upon to kill him?

Not everything Jesus did is written in the Bible ( John 20:30) but he himself confirmed he made known his Father's name (John 17:26).

You people can go to any length to peddle your lie but unfortunately you don't seem to see the implication on your own doctrines.

Not everything Jesus did is recorded but as vital as the name of God is to believers (as claimed by JWs) it can be forgotten to be written where Jesus Himself used the name.

Lastly, John 20:30 only tells us about other SIGNS Jesus did, not the lie you're talking about.

And even if we take it for that, verse 31 says "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name" NWT

It means, the important thing we need to know as believers is what was written down and God's name was not one of them.

The last part of verse 31 shows the key message "...you may have life by means of his name"

It is through the name of Christ that we will have life.

Funaki:
there's no way any marine life could've survived such amount of water.

Is there a way any ship could have survived such turbulent amount of water?

God who decided not to talk about marine life, wouldn't he know how to preserve their lives?

I laugh when Atheists will be analysing Noah's event with natural occurrences as if the event isn't supernatural.

Janosky:
Pls stop being foolish .
Every time Jesus said " it is written", he quoted from the old testament, wherever the Tetragramatton "YHWH" ( The name of his Father and God) appeared where he quoted, Jesus pronounced his Father's name accordingly .
Go and read the Hebrew interlinear transcription of Deu6:4 & stop scamming yourself.
"Hear O Israel: Yahweh (Jehovah) our God is one Yahweh (Jehovah)".

You must love Yahweh ( Jehovah) your God... Deu 6:5 ,Jesus quoted in Matt 22:36,37, must call his Father's name , whether he pronounced it as Yahweh, Jehovah or any other way unknown to us, who cares?
The point is, Jesus called and declared (made ) God's name known at a time the Jews spoke Greek rather than mother tongue, Hebrew and the superstitious belief that God's name is too holy to be uttered by mortals was slowly gaining ground

Liars everywhere!

If Jesus actually pronounced the name of God, how come both your organization and other people agreed that the pronunciation of the real name of God has been lost centuries before Jesus came?

Wouldn't the Pharisees and sadducees use that avenue to accuse Jesus the more, for pronouncing God's name when everyone is forbidden for doing so?

Apart from allege claim where Jesus quoted the old testament by JWs, why Jesus didn't personally address God as Jehovah any where in the scripture?

Isn't it better if Jesus himself addressed God as Jehovah rather than addressing Him through a quote?

Lastly, you people always leave the key point in Jesus statement.

The verse says: "I have manifested thy name UNTO THE MEN which thou gavest me..."

But JWs have to twist it to mean "I have manifested thy name THROUGH THE QUOTE OF THE OLD WRITINGS..."

Dottore:
I think you are more knowledgeable than me in football matters. I don't think I've ever watched any soccer match from start to finish

Your own is even better

Me Nairaland is my stadium and view center that's why any match that wasn't feature on FP I don't know anything about it.

And my own even better than my friend's because he is a Messi fan, so nothing concerns him about other players or matches.

The funny thing is, he can't even identify Messi anywhere nor single him out in a group of players.

So, if Kano pillar and sunshine are playing and you say to him Messi is here, he won't argue and he will pay attention more than anybody, after some minutes if he didn't hear the name Messi, then he will say, it's like Messi is not here... and once you said Messi isn't here, he'll just stand up and take his leave.

If I say your intellectual is very low some people will think I'm abusing you.

Janosky:
Did Thomas say Jesus is our God?

Do you mean Thomas has two God?

If you called Buhari "my President", are you meaning he is the President of every one on earth?

Is there anything like World PRESIDENT?

The words of Jesus in John 20:17 &
Rev 3:5,12,14,21 over ruled your satanic interpretation & twisting of John20:28.

You lying pharisees disdain the words of Jesus , the perfect son of God& master of Thomas but cling to his disciple, Thomas, as if he's your lord and saviour.
Naso your sense reach....

We cling to Thomas's word because he said it in front of Jesus and as a Jew who knew, addressing someone other than God as God is blasphemy.

The problem you're having as well as other anti-trinitarian is that you failed to learn what you're arguing about.

Trinitarian didn't argue against John 20:17 but they know when the scripture talks about pre-human Jesus and when Jesus became part of His own creation.

But it's you lying JWs that is twisting the word of Thomas and make Thomas to have two Gods.

Agrogbeide:
you are very funny bro.
KJV:And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
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KJV:Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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KJV:And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Now read the above again but this time slowly and gently.

He won't read it because what you see him saying has been planted in his head by JWs GB.

Maximus69:
Thank you Sir, it's just the truth that's all. Thomas never meant Jesus is his God or Lord,but you're entitled to your own opinion just as every one else!
Thomas was shocked that's all and when people are shocked, they'll exclaim 'oh my God!' of course it doesn't mean that what they are viewing is their God Sir!

When you know I'm entitled to my opinion, why did you bother you in the first place?

Anytime your lies are exposed, you always come with flimsy excuses...

You started with culture and language, of which in the history no Jews will ever joke with the name of God talkless of addressing someone else with it.

If other tribes are doing it not with the Jews because they were well taught about God.

Well, the joke is on you, by seeing the obvious in the scripture but decided to twist it to your own taste...

Thomas knew exactly what he said not that he was shocked as you people twisted it.

"Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.” John 20:26-28 NWT

What can we deduce from here?
1. Jesus first erased their fear by saying "May you have peace" only JWs will say this statement means something else.
2. Jesus discussed with Thomas in a friendly manner "Next he said to Thomas..."
3. Thomas replied Jesus "In answer Thomas said to him:.." this means Thomas knew exactly what he's saying and who is addressing because there is a conversation between Jesus and Thomas.
4. Jesus didn't condemn him nor correct him rather placed a blessing on those who will believe without seeing him.

This deluded JWs is here again

Maximus69:
Language and culture has caused a lot of confusion on the event recorded at John 20:28.
In most cultures around the world,

If you're talking about culture and language, then you shouldn't have come with this useless point of view because it exposes your ignorance the more because a Jew will never mistakenly address anyone with "My God and My Lord"!

when people see what is far beyond their grasp they often say 'my God!' 'oh my God!' 'my God and my Lord'. For instance i could remember vividly during the late 80s when my grandma {from the village} came visiting us, she was watching American wrestling for the first time in her life and at the way the wrestlers were treating each other she exclaimed 'My Lord and My God!' Of course she couldn't have meant that any of those wrestlers are her God or Lord but out of amazement she couldn't hold her peace anymore!
So Thomas' case is exactly the same, he never meant that Jesus is to be worshiped in place of Jehovah!

Give us another instance in the scripture where someone else mistakenly address another as My God.

The truth is Jesus was called "My God" and scripture recorded it but what excuse did JWs have?

It was just an exclamation!

Forgotten that Jesus addressed Thomas first before Thomas replied Jesus not something that happened suddenly with fear. Well who am I to tell you other wise what GB has planted in your skull.

herlecks:
Bro, this is not a fight, ease up. And that's a worldly mentality, thinking here is about winning or losing some nonsensical argument. I'm here to open eyes, expose the common erroneous beliefs, but not everyone will see, that's sure. Even the Lord Jesus couldn't convert the whole of Israel.

You want to open eyes, yes your own eyes are blind. You don't know the meaning and what Trinity entails, yes you want to open their eyes. Isn't that delusion?

See, you are either confused or deceived, and it could be as a result of yielding grounds to demons. If Jesus has "a God," that cancels out trinity doctrine. Do you understand what it means to call someone "my God?"

Let's go by your own logic, you agree that Jesus is God, then isn't Jesus your own God

Thomas called Jesus "My God" do you know more than him

This proves the Father receiving worship and prayer from the Son.

Then it also means the Son receives worship and prayers from his disciples.

Well, the angels have the essence of God, then they are all equal with the Father? That's folly, and not biblical. For God is Spirit, that is the essence. Humans have spirit also, that makes us equal with God? We even have His spirit, then we're all equal with God.

When I said you know nothing it seems I'm over exaggerating but see what you just spew here.

Imagine, God is Spirit, that is the essence.

Give us the meaning of essence and see how folly you are.

When the brilliant mind tries to explain scripture it falls into a ditch, for scripture is not interpreted by brilliance, but by revelation of the spirit. What will become of this generation if the so called leaders and ministers of tomorrow continues to explain scripture with their shallow minds and not by revelation? They would rather depend on the common filthy lies passed down through the years rather than search the scripture and dig the truth out. Hence, they pass folly and error unto their children, and so the cycle continues for ages.

Even when you don't understand what you yourself is talking about.

I repeat, on the revelation of the Son of God was the Church built, if anyone does not believe Jesus to be the Son of God, and not God nor equal with God, such is not part of the Body of Christ, which is His Church.

Did the Trinitarians tell you they don't believe Jesus is the son of God

before you proceed, give us the description of what Trinity is all about, let's compare it with your claim here.

Lastly, it glaring how you intentionally boycotting most of my points without addressing them.

I even thought you know what you're arguing about before but unfortunately you know nothing my advice for you is to go and read what Trinity entails first before you come online.

herlecks:
Jesus is not the Father but the Son.

Then who says Jesus is the Father before

Jesus is a God who has a God. The term "God" is not a person but an essence. Anybody could be called "god," humans, angels and demons were called gods,

The point is, do demons, angels and human have the essence of the Father?

so does that make them all the Father?

It has been explained to you by @isce with a picture that Jesus is not the Father.

If scripture calls Jesus God, this only defines His essence not his person,

So you agree Jesus and His Father are equal in essence and not as person...so is that not what Trinity said?

His person has a Father and a God.

Where does Trinitarian deny this?

Why do you continue to argue against scripture? Jesus says He has a God and a Father, you folks say Jesus is a liar, that He Himself is the Father and the God.

This statement shows that you don't know shit about Trinity, yet you're forming Mr know it all.

So then who is lost in error? Bro, I can't make you see this, but I believe if you prayerfully humble yourself before God, you will receive a revelation of the Son of God. For upon this revelation was the Church built, so if anyone does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself, such does not belong to thr Church of Christ to begin with.

You're the very one in error.

Trinitarian teaches that Jesus is the Son of God and God in essence but not the Father likewise Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and God in essence but not the Son neither the Father.

You can see that you agree with Trinity yet erroneously arguing against what you agree with.

You've lost on your own thread.

herlecks:
This is how humans fall into error, when they have no scriptural backup for their "ideas." I'll be discussing scriptures alone, not your thoughts. I gave you scriptures but you're hellbent on your ideas which does not really matter to me. If you will not believe the verses in my reply to your comment then nothing will convince you of the truth. You will do well to wait on God and pray for revelation.

Your problem is that, you don't hold your own word as true, if not you'll see that this is not my own idea but what you said and agree with.

1. You agreed The word of God is God Himself...
2. Jesus is the Word of God...then isn't Jesus God?
3. You said the word of God was begotten from ETERNITY...isn't only God eternal?
4. You said the word has the quality and personality of God. Doesn't that make the word God? Can something has the quality and personality of human being and yet not Human Being?

Isn't our quality and personality as Human that makes us human?

Reconsider your points and see there is no need for this thread.

herlecks:
It was recorded that the Word was with God, and that the Word was a God.

You agreed that your word is your own self.

Why then the Word of God not God Himself

The word was (a) God, what is the different between a God and God?

A man or man, what's the different!

The Word was begotten in eternity, He was the Son of God. God cannot be with Himself, right?

So you mean there was a time God couldn't speak until He begat His own word...interesting!

The Word is another person, the Word belongs to the Father,

From above you said, the word was begotten from eternity then said the word is a PERSON and also BELONG TO THE FATHER...This shows that you people know the truth but always bend it as your father the devil wants you to.

The word of God belongs to God and nothing else.

He, the Word of the Father, carries the qualities and personality of the Father, the Father expresses Himself through the Word or Son. The Father is called God and Ancient of Days and the Father of Spirits,

Is the word of God different from God Himself

If the word has quality and personality of the Father, doesn't that tell you that the word has what makes God God yet not the same as The Father?

This is what the blessed apostle Paul affirmated in Phil 2

The Son of God is called the Word of God or the Son of man. This Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, according to scripture. This is the Word of God, even our Lord Jesus.

If an entity has the quality and personality of human, automatically the entity will be called human.

Like I said, there's no need for this thread after you made all these statements.

herlecks:
That's a deception, sir. Jesus is and was and will be the Word Yahweh speaks throughout eternity, either directly or by His prophets. But of course, His Word carries His personality. What I speak is what I am.

I don't know the essence of this thread if you agree with the above statement.

Is the Word of God not God Himself?

If the word carries His PERSONALITY, does that mean the Word is less than God Himself?

xynerise:
I can't have a mortician friend


They have a funny way of looking at people when business is not moving

Be like can death just fall on this fellow make doll enter sharperly

Blakjewelry:
the last time I checked, Islam did not reject Jesus

By not believing He is Son of God and Savior of the world, right?

capitalzero:
you are a fool and slowpoke for saying that.

Says a person who lack simple comprehension!

what is transliteration? what is translation? dindinrin n din robo.

The person who slap sense out of your dull head has deleted Google on your phone too.

tell your church members and pastors to go buy Bible which contain Yahweh in original place.

This doesn't change the fact that using Jehovah in place of Yahweh is still like using Lord.

Maximus69:
You can do that without adding 'Jehovah's Witnesses erred by claiming they restored'
They never claim the name is there doing but that KJV and other translations have replaced the divine name[which supposed to be there] with titles!

They erred because if you're doing correction, you must do it to the core!

Claiming to restore God's name in the Bible and went ahead to use the distorted one is of no different from people who use Lord.

Funny thing is, the original name of God was replaced by some people simply because THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE PRONOUNCING IT WRONGLY/ANYHOW

Yet JWs choose to be using Jehovah simply because PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USED TO IT.

capitalzero:
I would be glad if all translations restore original name to its rightful position either Jehovah or Yahweh. see how God name is being rendered in many languages in chart below. try to know meaning of transliteration and translation.

Dumb skull!

The point here is, your organization agreed that Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah, so begin to use Yahweh instead of Jehovah. Stop being hypocrite!

Using distorted name Jehovah instead of Yahweh is of no different from people you accused who use Lord.

capitalzero:
you are reasoning from your anus. I am sorry to tell you that.

Says the person who lack simple comprehension!

Maximus69:
His problem is Jehovah's Witnesses, so anytime he has the chances to speak against the group his hidden aggression for the JWs often overshadow his power of reasoning!

As usual bending the truth...why did you say I'm correct partially if you think I have problem with JWs

whereas, my first post didn't even attack JWs rather corrected the person I quoted about what he accused JWs for.

In case you skip it this is what the person I quoted said:

"The real name of God is never Jehovah rather yahweh, it was Jehovah's witness that originated the name Jehovah, there is difference between aleluya and haleluya"

Focus on @underlined...

Maximus69:
Very very relevant Sir!
You said Jehovah's Witnesses erred for saying they've restored the divine name in it's rightful positions. But you didn't care to ask 'how do they mean?'

I know what they mean!

In the Hebrew~Aramaic scripture[Old Testament] the divine name was replaced with the title 'LORD' as all the alphabets are written in capital letters, the translators of KJV only make use of the name Jehovah where the message could sound odd. For example at Exodus 6:2,3 and Psalms 83:18 there it was clear that a REAL name must suffice for the scripture to sound meaningful!
But in other parts like Psalms 23:1,110:1 the KJV rendered the divine name as LORD. These is why the JWs restored the name in all it's proper places!
So whenever you're reading the Bible, anywhere you find the title LORD in capital letters know that it's Jehovah or Yahweh that's supposed to be there.
Jehovah's Witnesses only corrected that!

Now if restoring the name in the rightful position is important, didn't the most accurate name be used?

What is the difference between people who replace the name with Lord and person who used distorted name?

If JWs agreed that Yahweh is closer to the original form than Jehovah!
My point then is, since JWs claim to restore the original name they should have used the one close to the original form rather than using the one not too close just because PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USED TO IT.

Get that into your skull!

capitalzero:
it is very necessary because you bring Jehovah witnesses to this unnecessary.

Then did you know the reason why I brought JWs into this based on the person I quoted?

You see you people just want to argue for the argument sake.

kjv uses Jehovah, and Jehovah witnesses also use Jehovah in NWT. are Jehovah witnesses first to use Jehovah? are Jehovah witnesses translators of kjv?

Did I accuse JWs of using the name Jehovah or accuse them of inserting it into their translation?

try to learn more about linguistic and understand transliteration as different from translation. try to compare rendering of Jehovah/Yahweh in Hebrew,Latin and Aramaic.

Try to apply for English comprehensive school!

JWs themselves admitted that the rendering of Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah but they only use Jehovah because PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USED TO IT.

Now try to understand where my point is coming from...

Maximus69:
I think he did as the KJV has been in existence long before Jehovah's Witnesses adopted that name. So he is making sense!

That's the problem

firstly, I didn't talk about why JWs used the name Jehovah or accuse them of using the name when it's not to have appeared in the Bible. The he has right to show me other versions that used it.

Secondly, my point was centered on two different things: Less accurate and most accurate! you people should learn how to comprehend first before posting.

Lastly, two of you should go back to my post and read it slowly to see that bringing KJV into this is irrelevant.

Maximus69:
Partially right Sir!

Now I'm partially right, yet you didn't bring out my other wrong info.

Jehovah's Witnesses ADOPTED the divine name JEHOVAH for just one reason!
It is evident that God has a PERSONAL name apart from titles like God and Lord, but the Hebrew stopped using the name long time ago so it's real pronunciation was lost.
However if we're to go by the original Hebrew pronunciation then so many names in the Bible must be changed as well. For instance Jacob, Joshua, Jonathan, Jeremiah, John and Jesus must be rendered in their original 'Y' pronunciation.
That is why Jehovah's Witnesses preferred the rendering Jehovah to Yehowah or Yahweh and Jesus to Yashua!

Like I usually say, you people only read and don't comprehend. This is because your people behave like a robot just to type anything whenever the name JWs appear to defend it.

We're talking about rendering that close to the original form, yet you are saying another thing.

If JWs had not claim to come and restore THE ORIGINAL NAME OF GOD in the Bible, that won't be an issue but claiming to come to restore original name of God, also knowing full well that Jehovah isn't close to the original form and went ahead to ADOPT it just because people are already used to it. It's the most ridiculous part of it!

capitalzero:
are Jehovah witnesses translators of king James version?answer my question,pls.

Read my post again, this time slowly to see that bringing KJV into this is of no necessary.

capitalzero:
so Jehovah witnesses are the translator of king James version

Read my post again, this time slowly!

kellytuns:
The real name of God is never Jehovah rather yahweh,it was Jehovah's witness that that originated the name Jehovah,there is difference between aleluya and haleluya

You're wrong!
Both Jehovah and YAHWEH are rendering of the Hebrew word for God...Just that Yahweh is closer to the Hebrew word than Jehovah.

Jehovah witness only erred by claiming to come to restore the original name of God in the scripture only to have chosen Jehovah which is not too accurate instead of Yahweh.

Glory be to the most high...

Maximus69:
Your holiness Sir!
I just corrected Jessicah who doesn't understand that there is a God called TRINITY, to buttress your point on the personality of Jehovah and why he could RIGHTLY be referred to as Jesus!

Meanwhile i only helped you to enlighten Jessicah who can't grasp the concept of your TRINITY God. So instead of getting annoyed, why not correct me if there's a misconception in my post regarding your TRINITY God!
After all you've been criticising the believes of JWs saying they should defend their doctrines, So you can't defend your own now. What a pity, O ma seo!

I don't need your input on TRINITY because i too attended churches for over three decades and i have heard a so many contradicting doctrines from Trinitarians themselves.

Liar
If not because your stupidity is as high as heaven...you wouldn't have contradicted yourself in less than two posts.

As usual after your demonic doctrines have been exposed, the next thing you people do is to be bringing up irrelevance topic just to divert attention from the subject matter.