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The interpretation is very simple, either you become a NEPA man or your house will be at the 10th floor.

Maximus69:
Missed it several times in the past due to so many misinformation and misrepresentations all claiming Christians today but now that i've known the importance of this event nothing can stop me from attending, It's God's will!
Thanks Sir,God bless you!

Always finding excuses and someone to blame for your spiritual laziness.

Yet the so many misinformation and misrepresentations all claiming Christians today are still the very one who fixed the date of this memorial.

And to think someone like you didn't know the meaning of easter which even Muslims and Atheists do, says a lot about your spiritual knowledge.

What is so difficult for you to appreciate this thread and move on, like one of your brother did above?

Must you turn everything to blaming game?

johnydon22:
You don't have to drink, i will drink Heineken though.

No no, no argument, just a discussion

Are you in Abuja

Lukuluku69:
The Covenant between Abraham and God is that of you "Worship me Alone" That was the Covenant. You love me More than Anything and Everything. The Circumcision was only a Token of that and Abraham showed that Love More than Anything and everything by being ready to Sacrifice that thing he cherished Most: his only son at that Time.

And God instruction further was that as a Token of that Covenant, circumcise your Males. The day Abraham cut himself, he had only Ishmael but remember that he had Male servants and we are told that Genesis 17:23-27 KJV
[23] And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.
[24] And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
[25] And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
[26] In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.
[27] And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

Here we read that All Male with Abraham were circumcised and I asked you, did Abraham over cooked this instruction and you failed to answer.

Let's get it straight, was circumcision belong to everybody?

So, According to you, Abraham got it wrong but Paul addressing the Galatians got it right and declare Circumcision null and void for Gentiles yet Gentiles convert thru history have been doing this. Interesting I must say.

Abraham didn't got it wrong He followed the instruction of God

While Paul addressing the Gentile who were never part of that covenant....

Paul statement is wrong and negates what God ask Abraham to do and if Abraham erred, I am yet to see where it says so.

God asked Abraham to circumcise ALL HIS HOUSEHOLD (people who are already belong to ABRAHAM either by birth or acquisition)

This is different from GENTILE the Galatians Paul was addressing were never belong to Abraham descendants.

Or are they?

It is not only the Circumcision issue Paul used to gain converts, the issue of the Law too. He declared Gentiles free of the Law which according to him was a Curse the same Law Jesus said he came not to destroy.

Let's talk about this first before moving to another.

So, as far as I am concerned the one you call Apostle Paul not only erred, he should be avoided as well.

Who are you to give such order simply because you hate him

If you avoid my questions again I won't reply you...

You're deliberately boycotting this:
A challenge for you...
Kindly show us where God later included you as a GENTILE in the covenant of circumcision of Abraham in the Quran.

CANTICLES:
Caught.

Self consolation!

the root word Is the same.

Nice one!

If they translate as mighty Gods for those humans, silly people like you will still ask how many Gods we Christians have.

They didn't translate it as MIGHTY GOD for human so that silly people like JWs will know only Jehovah is a MIGHTY GOD but was translated as MIGHTY GOD for Jesus who is also a human!

Its clear the original thought when applied to humans has nothing to do with trinity

idiot don't divert our attention here...

If not because you're silly, shouldn't this tell you that for the root word to be translated as MIGHTY GOD for both Jehovah and Jesus means much more than what you people are claiming?

A son will be born [as Human ] and called.

Yet your silly hand could type "If they translate as mighty Gods for those humans,..." so isn't Jesus human again?

Lukuluku69:
The discussion really is about the inclusion of Abraham's Male household outside his own Descendants in the Circumcision rights. And I am not in any way confused as you think. I would have agree with you if the verse expressly state IN YOUR SEED rather than IN YOUR FLESH. Let us assume that it says IN YOUR FLESH,

Abraham's male household outside his main son are already belong to Abraham before God's commandment came but God made it clear that the covenant of circumcision will continue in Abraham FLESH ONLY.

If circumcision is for everyone, God would've instructed Abraham to preach circumcision to everyone around him.

In fact, it's was even the circumcision covenant that distinguishes Abraham from everyone so that Abraham seed will be Holy among other nations.

then I asked you, did Abraham over cooked the Commandment by including others outside of him and Ishmael? For verse 27 states: Genesis 17:27 KJV
[27] And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

The commandment came from God and Abraham followed it.

Why is it that only Abraham God instructed to do circumcision if it should have been for everyone?

Of cos I quote from the Bible, so if you think I am versed that is your opinion, and if you raised a point, the onus is on you to make available verses that back that up.

Alright...

But you claimed you have right to do circumcision today because you're Abraham's descendant by FAITH

Yet you couldn't ask simple question, "if circumcision is for everybody neither Jews or Gentile, why must you belong to Abraham by FAITH before become part of the covenant?

Look at this your statement very well: "God's Covenant with Abraham was with him and his Descendants after him"

Now ask yourself, is everybody on earth an Abraham's descendants? No!

So for you to be part of that covenant, you need to belong to Abraham which you already acknowledged by claiming to be by FAITH.

As for Jews/House of Israel proselytizing Gentiles, do I need to recount the Stories of Jesus to you in this regard? Do I need to recount to you how the Seed of Israel are the Chosen People who all others must follow for Salvation is of the Jews?

Now let me ask you, why was God instructed Abraham to circumcise himself and his household?

This "This Commandement and Covenant" thing is nothing but Semantics. The Circumscion is only a token of the Convenant at least that is what the Bible says in Genesis 17:11 KJV
[11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

The circumcision is ONLY for Abraham's descendants NOT FOR EVERYONE.

So, Uncle I know what I am saying. For Paul to say otherwise, he made naught the Commandement of God to Abraham.

What Paul means in his statement is what you claimed (Abraham's descendant BY FAITH) yet fighting the blessed Apostle on top.

I'm still waiting for this my challenge:
A challenge for you...
Kindly show us where God later included you as a GENTILE in the covenant of circumcision of Abraham in the Quran.

CANTICLES:
@bold, at that point in Isreal history, how many saviours do they have ?

If you didn't see answer to your question in my post then check your eyes and brain very well

Yet you claimed to be versed in Bible in and out.

Lukuluku69:
Were you there when God said this Covenant was only for Abraham household Look at verse 27! It says ALL were cut! Does all means all?

Don't be confused sir...try to calm down and follow the discussion.

You're the very person who jumped to Bible to quote and from where you quoted this was said "[13] He that is born in thy house..."

You're wrong thou...the covenant wasn't for ABRAHAM household but "IN YOUR FLESH" that is Abraham physical descendants.

The commandment was ALL ABRAHAM MALE HOUSEHOLD should be circumcised.

Please quote what that God said to the Israelites about the Gentiles here please

You're versed in the Bible so do that yourself.

And if God told the Israelites not to have anything to do with the Gentiles, why are Jews proselytizing among the Gentiles?

What are they proselytizing?

We will get to the Quran in a bit

I'm waiting.... At least, this will help in the discussion

but please tell me that Abraham over cooked God instruction on the Cutting or at least show me a verse that

say so.

God instructed Abraham to circumcise his male household (this is the commandment) and made a covenant that circumcision will continue to be in Abraham FLESH ("in your flesh"..this is the covenant...which excluded outsider).

Don't mix them together.

Lukuluku69:
Genesis 17:11-14 KJV
[11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
[12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
[13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Please read verse 13. What does that mean? It simply means everyone! Abraham male kids, his servants, their Kids and to be doubly sure sir read:Genesis 17:26-27 KJV
[26] In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son. [27] And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

Firstly, God was talking to Abraham after He has acquired everything

Secondly, what you failed to grab from the passages you're quoting is this "and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."

The covenant is strictly for only PHYSICAL DESCENDANTS of Abraham...

Verse 26 says all were circumcised. Born in in the house, bought with money, even strangers in his house were all circumcised. So, Paul excluding the Galatians counted God's command for Naught.

The gentile were not part of physical descendants of Abraham...they were Gentile which God Himself instructed the Israelites not to have anything with.

So, how will God instruct the Israelites not to have anything do with the Gentile but yet still put them under the covenant of Abraham?

Do forget answer this question please...

I know English is a borrowed Language for me, but I find no other interpretation for what I just read. Circumcision was for EVERYONE who claim descent from Abraham thru Faith. Jews and Gentiles alike.

Go back to that same Genesis and read what God Himself told the Israelites about the Gentile and tell us why same God will still place them under Abraham covenant...

Finally, you didn't give us a quote from Quran where God later included Gentile under the covenant of Abraham.

Lukuluku69:
Would you care to explain that part again?

Shaloam!

Let me quickly refresh your memory on your own post for you to understand

He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

From the above from your own mouth, focus on @underlined...."and my covenant shall be in your FLESH" He means the physical descendants which never included STRANGER/GENTILE

Your next statement indicated that you grabbed Paul's message as being addressed to GENTILE/non physical descendants of Abraham yet you failed to acknowledge it.

As for Paul, he was addressing his Gentile converts. The ones he lied to. He knew this can't fly with the Jews, so he turned to the Gentiles who are largely ignorant of what God commands. He was of cos addressing the Galatians who are Gentiles(Non Jews)

So try to understand who Paul is addressing and why God never included the Gentile in His covenant first before you argue.

A challenge for you...
Kindly show us where God later included you as a GENTILE in the covenant of circumcise of Abraham in the Quran.

Lukuluku69:
Yes I am thru the Faith he has in the Creator of the Heavens and Earth and all that is in between.

You?

As expected....

Now @bolden part is what Apostle Paul addressed in those verses you misinterpreted...

Shalom!

Lukuluku69:
God's Covenant with Abraham was with him and his Descendants after him. Read again:

So are you a descendant of Abraham?

Janosky:
No mind that Janosky half baked lying Pharisee.
The man dey argue blindly always.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where in the scripture man and angels were called MIGHTY GOD...

Barristter07:

Are you so uninformed and ignorant not to know EL GIBBOA was applied to humans ?

Now using Hebrew to spew nonsense...

Show me where it was translated as MIGHTY GOD for human and angels in your translation...

Then why was it translated as MIGHTY GOD for Jehovah and Jesus Christ?

johnydon22:
I'm arriving Abuja tomorrow, basically relocating to Abuja from the East.

I'd like to meet people on this board who are also in Abuja and are interested to discuss or debate in person the topics we discuss here over drinks.

The more, the merrier!!!

I'm available but no drinking and arguing...

Deal?

ChristianNorth:
In Matthew 13:41, Jesus said that he would sent forth HIS angels.

This is not possible if he is not a God.

In Mark 2: 5-11 Jesus clearly demonstrated his power to forgive sins. Can you explain how he got that authority?

In John 14:13, Jesus asked us to pray in his name and he would do it. Not his father would it.

In 1 Cor 1:24 Jesus is called the power of God.

How do you explain all these?

In your New World Translation, Colossian 2:9 states
"because it is in him that ALL the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily."

My emphasis is on the "ALL the fullness of divine quality" can you explain what that means?

Titus 2:13 "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,"

How do you explain this away?

This one is from Peter (2 Pet 1:1) "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and bapostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

I am waiting for your explanations.

They can't explain those verses rather you will see how they'll twist it...to say what scripture didn't say.

That Titus and 2 Peter have been corrupted by their NWT,

Janosky:
If Jehovah sends one of his angels to read and explain Deu10:17, Psalms 82:1,6 & Isaiah 9:6 to you, you would continue to argue with Jehovah's messenger.

Show me where man and angels were called MIGHTY GOD in the scripture that's what I asked you.

You always lie ,argue blindly and you will never admit the truth even if na Angel show am to you.
Lying Pharisee dey form Christian.

Mr saint and angel, all I asked for is to...

Show me where man and angels were called MIGHTY GOD in the scripture that's what I asked you.

CANTICLES:
You lie too much

Ignorance will not kill you one day, I pray!

We read: “Jehovah raised a savior up for the sons of Israel that he might save them, Othniel the son of Kenaz, the younger brother of Caleb.” (Judg. 3:9)


Othniel was called a SAVIOUR . stop telling lies, it won't help you.

This is my statement: Jesus Christ was called saviour because HE SAVED MANKIND from their sin...

Saviour is to save...so both Christ and Othniel were called SAVIOUR because they simply performed the act of saving...

So how many Saviours does Isreal have?

Is Othniel still Israel saviour today?

One gave the other that title , shouldn't that tell you who is superior?

Olodo...who is talking about superiority

For Jehovah and othniel to be called saviour means they are equal , Shebi ? so pathetic

You lack comprehension...
Jehovah and Othniel were called saviour because they both saved...what they saved from might be different...

Who says this ?

That's why I'll keep saying you lack comprehension...

They both performed the role of apostleship...which means to SEND....

Do you agree othniel and Jehovah are SAVIOURS, how many Saviour does isreal have?

Othniel is a saviour to those he saved
Jehovah is a saviour of the world
Today people still use the word saviour for those who rescued someone from danger...

The critical point here is the meaning of SAVIOUR which is to SAVE

The funny part of it is that, you didn't even consider the tone of the writer.

Until u learn what it means when one gave a title to another to carry out his own purpose, you will continue to get confused

So you agree that Jehovah gave Jesus the title MIGHTY God which is strictly for Jehovah Alone?

In essence, Jesus is a Mighty God just as Jehovah is a Mighty God, right?

Maximus69:
NO Sir,Jesus is the Lord over his own followers just as David and others were also Lords over their own servants[2Samuel 19:27] he had 12 Apostles and Numerous disciples.
So Jehovah is the ALMIGHTY God[Exodus 6:2,3] he has so many angels whose positions are higher than others [1Corinthians 8:5]they are mighty gods under the Almighty, Jesus happens to be one of those mighty spirits [angels or gods]! Psalm 82:1
After God created Jesus, he[Jesus] was given the assignment as in privilege to create all other things[Colossians 1:15,16 compared to Proverbs 8:22-31] but that never gave him the sole right to destroy any of it unless his father gives the order! Psalms 110:1 compared to Matthew 8:22

Confuse person....
The other time you said, Jesus WAS a God meaning Past tense
Again, Jesus serve as God in the past just as Moses...and both are no more God today

Do you agree with your brother who says Angels are MIGHTY GOD? since to you Jesus is an Angel

CANTICLES:
Pathetic, so pathetic ... Apostle means " one who is SENT. "

Jesus was sent in what context ? ( God SEND his son ( 1John 4:14) .. Same with Peter ?

Just see the way you're exposing your ignorance the more.

"Apostle mean one who is sent..." can't you see that because the person was SENT that's what makes him/her apostle?

*Jesus was a prophet because He prophesied...
*Jesus is the saviour because He saved man from sin that's why no one was called a saviour in the scripture...
*Jesus was a teacher because He teaches...not because He died for mankind.
*Jesus was an apostle because He was sent...

Is Jesus the only prophet in the world? No!
Is Jesus the only Apostle in the world? No!
Is Jesus the only teacher in the world? No!

What's is my point?
Simple, if one thing bridges two people together you look at the nature of connectivity not how they perform it differently.

You can't be called a teacher if you don't teach.

So for Jesus and Jehovah to be called Mighty God...means something!

When you answer if Jesus and Peter were SENT with the same role as you Earlier lied . this one will be clear .

When did I say they were sent with the same role?

My question still remains, you agree that Jesus and Jehovah are mighty God, how many God do you have?

Janosky:
"God stands in the congregation of the mighty ;he judges among the gods"
"I have said ,'you are gods'; you are all sons of the Most High"
Psalms 82:1,6.

Deu10:17.Jehovah is a mighty God
Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a mighty God.
Psalms 82:1,6. man is a mighty God and angels are mighty Gods.
Mighty God is a title for JEHOVAH ,.,title for Jesus and a title for man/angels.

** How many Gods do you have?
Oya respond !
If anybody deserved "olodo" title , it is you Emusan because out of the abundance of your ignorance and unbelief ,your post speaks.

SMH...see concorted lies

Before it was, Jehovah is Almighty God and Jesus is a mighty God.

But now both Jehovah and Jesus are mighty God not only that, man and Angels are now also mighty God!

This can only be found in JWs logic....

I wonder if man and angels are already A MIGHTY GOD, while then Jesus will be called same thing

Anyway, there is ONLY ONE God who is Mighty...

Now, show us where in the Bible where Man and Angels are called MIGHTY God

CANTICLES:
U are a dubious fellow, are you seeing what trinity is doing to your reasoning ?

Jesus was Sent to die for mankind sins [John 3:16 ] , Peter wasn't sent for such role , [b] the word apostle is applied to them in a different context [b]

Same applies to Jesus and His Father. To Jesus its applied as a title as a Mighty one , But to Jehovah its applied as the supreme being over ALL

When I said you're a confirm Olodo...y
some people won't believe but just look at your delusion...

So to be an Apostle now mean to die...

Jesus is a mighty God and Jehovah is a mighty God, how many God do you have? That's the question!

stephleena:
Lol..it's very very possible

Not just very very possible but that's the actual plan...no single crude oil in the north.

Their plan is to create large oil reservoir and pump oil from South to it then later claim, oil has been found in the north.

From a reliable source....

Hmmmm

CANTICLES:
Check the meaning of God too , it can mean someone with authority or who influences others . So it doesn't alway mean the supreme being

Context of supreme being, One God , Jehovah

I can see you misunderstood what I meant there....

I didn't talk about one word with a different meaning but FOCUS on the word APOSTLE...

If Jesus and Peter are both apostles, it means the word apostle applied to them and with the same role...that makes them to be both apostles

Now both Jesus and Jehovah are mighty God, then how many God do you have?

CANTICLES:
Wonderful counselor etc,those are all titles.

Has nothing to do with equality with Jehovah .

Jesus is called an apostle just as Peter, does that make them equal ?

Father and Son ... The Gap will forever be there

Diverting from the main point....

Jesus is a mighty God, how many God do you have? Answer that first...

The main focus is the meaning of Apostle if Jesus and Peter were both called an Apostle, are they not in essence APOSTLE?

Now, if both Jesus and Jehovah are mighty God, are they both not God? Then how many God do you have

CANTICLES:
Thank God it says " mighty God " not ALMIGHTY .

As for the bold, if God was in flesh, Mary gave birth to God ? Humans kill God ?

Since you agree that Jesus is a mighty God, then how many God do you have? Also, isn't Jehovah a mighty God?

The verse says MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH not WAS IN THE FLESH

Maximus69:
There is no dispute about that, if you can defend the Catholic Church with all their idols please go ahead and make your defense. JWs print magazines to show the world where and how the Catholics have erred!

So are you saying no Catholic defending his/her faith?

Now you conclude Catholic to be an idol worshipper and erred but do you also agree that JWs made mistakes and erred?

BHigher:
You are such a big fool for posting this BS!

You lack home training...

I was on my way from Kano to Abuja yesterday when the incident happened, I saw the Governor's convoy.

I even took some pictures of the on going road construction from Kano to Abuja as an engineer because of the quality standard of the road

kingemzy5:
Story story...... That's the only good thing he has done in his lifetime...

To you it's a story but to us who ply the road...it's a good time

Hofbrauhaus:
Ribbish..nonsense news that means nothing to anybody. Who knows if he is not part of the kidnappers?

Murderous little urchin.

I'm just shaking my head for you people down the south who don't know what we in the north go through about insecurities.

Thank God for using the Kaduna governor, we for ran into the midst of those useless bastard.

How I wish the governor can be plying the road everyday like today...