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AkataYeriYeri:
Igbos are so easy to spot on Nairaland these days

I laugh when people like you see criticism as a tribal war...

Yoruba adage says "If two friends enter room and came out laughing, it means they went in to deceive themselves but if they came out with strong face, it means they told themselves the truth."

Isn't Lagos over hype?

This same problem of flood that is combating Lagos was experienced some years back in Malaysia but guess what. Malaysia government came up with the idea of a "SMART TUNNEL"

This smart tunnel was divided into three parts, the ground part was using for train while the last two were used for road.

This Smart Tunnel provided single solution to two problems.

1. City flood
2. Traffic with the main city.

How does it work?
On a normal day if there's not rain and traffic begins to build up within the city all the roads will be in use including the one for train but when rain starts and the city begins to be flooded, the train lane and part will be closed first allow massive flood water to pass through it as drainage. Likewise, as the city getting flooded. If there's a need to close the remaining part, it will be closed and used as drainage.

Now, why our leaders can't do such in Lagos?

Maximus69:
So if only he could just COVER or HIDE his face in SHAME, you will be happy?

Being hypocrite shows you lack integrity and desperate.

What leads people to the truth is to see issue the way it is. The moment you begin to bend issue just to satisfy your curiosity, then you're not presenting truth.

Now answer me, is there any difference BTW the people who insert God in 1 Tim 3:16 and NWT translator who inserted SON in Acts 20:28 when neither of the words was found in the original manuscript?

LordReed:
I said show me.

Show you what

Very well I will answer and I expect a similar answer to my questions.

The reason why there are many "dinosaur graves" is because there have been several mass extinction events in the past. These events took place millions of years ago and though they reduced biological populations of both plant and animal, none of them exterminated all life on earth. One of the more famous one's is the asteroid impact, the K-T extinction event that killed of most of the large dinosaurs approximately 66million years ago.

Now answer my questions.

Asteroid impact indeed and they were BURIED beneath the ground and high mountain.

Well radiometric dating was used but guess what, till of recent blood tissues are still found in most dinosaurs bones which is not supposed to be, if they actually died millions of years ago.

LordReed:
Show me an example.

One of you just said this "Theism is a mental disorder."

You are the one shifting the goal post, I stay focused on the matter. What has origins got to do with global flood?

If you can't tell us what caused the MASS GRAVES of dinosaurs around the world, then you don't have excuse for global flood because that's the only even that can cause it.

If according to your fairytale Noah story, he took 2 of every animal, it suggests according to you that Noah ferried dinosaurs in the boat. Also, your flood story is supposedly dated at 4000years ago meanwhile the dinosaur bones are dated millions of years ago how do you account for the disparity?

Shove this into somewhere first, tell us why there is a mass graves of dinosaurs around the world.

Maximus69:
You asked and he might feel obliged to answer so you'll have his attention!

Now he can oblige but can jump around peddling lie and call other fraud for what your organization also did.

Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

These are his word and compare it with the answers he had given:

"Greek text interlinear 1tim3:16
**
"And confessedly great is the of godliness mystery: Who was revealed in the flesh....."

https://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/3-16.htm

**The word "God" was dubiously inserted there in Textus Receptus Bible such as KJV, Darby etc.
It's a well known FRAUD in the holy scriptures. No be today ee start."

Also;

"https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm
** LEXICON
" By common confession the mystery of godliness is great.
He appeared in the flesh......"
Here in the most ancient authorities, the word "God" does NOT occur.
We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and TRUSTWORTHY MSS as follows:
' He was manifested in the flesh'"

His point was centered on the original manuscript not the reason why other translations inserted the word GOD and he went further to this a FRAUDULENT ATTITUDE.

Now this is the original Hebrew interliner of Acts 20:28:
"Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock among which you to the Spirit has set overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with the own"

Suddenly, he change his argument from how MSS should be translated literally to the reason why it should be translated that way.

Isn't this dishonesty and hypocrisy?

Obviously, what he accused other people for as fraud also applicable to his own translation...yet he couldn't hide his face in shame.

Kemkemgirl:
Source: www.socialsblog.com

Save made by keeper shows how porous the defence and attack are...
Who ever the one with 118 is playing for, the defence and attack are useless.

LordReed:
Where did I make such a claim?

That's what Atheists do say, do you agree with them or not?

So you are telling me dinosaur bones that are millions of years old are there as a result of a global flood that took place 4000years ago? You are suggesting that Noah ferried a couple of dinosaurs on his boat?

Now shifting the goal post.

Have you accounted for their origin first?

The OP question is, What buried dinosaurs in mass graves?

Answer the question first, then we will know whether there is evidence for global flood or not.

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses will never ask you countless questions for NO benefit.
On the other hand it's you and other offspring of Pharisees that has kept opening one thread or the other just to get JWs say something that you can use against them! Luke 11:54
You're always with one question or another and when JWs present their explanation, you start arguing as if all your folks claiming Christians believe exactly the same doctrine whereas you're all contradicting one another! Matthew 22:23,34 Act 23:8
Well i also joined Nairaland to make jest of JWs but i repented after noticing that it's out of contention that we're all questioning them. The other time i noticed Olaadegbu demanding that JWs should perform a sign to make him believe them! Matthew 16:1
You can continue with your agitation against them, i'm through with all the deceit Satan has been using to blindfold people into fighting against the TRUE followers of Jesus!

All these tactics to divert attention from the subject matter won't work, Mr hypocrite!

Tell your brother to show us where the word SON appear from the original manuscript in Acts 20:28 is what I ask for.

Since you're so dull to provide answer to my simple question.

Janosky:
*Jesus the son of his Father told you God sent him to offer his blood as a ransom to save mankind ,John 3:16.
Your fictitious claims gives you away as unbeliever , a pharisee who disdain Jesus words in John 3:16. in other words, you're saying Jesus lied in John 3:16.

As usual, you keep jumping from pillar to post.

So you couldn't provide us with the MSS manuscript where the word SON appear in Acts 20:28

Your fraudulent organization inserted the word SON to rewrite the scripture, yet can accuse other for doing the same.

If it's another they are dubious and tying to support their doctrines but if it's your organization it's because they know scripture very well.

Then as stupid as you are, do you think people who inserted GOD in 1 Tim 3:16 can't justify the reason they did so?

*** Your fellow Trinitarians (GNT, NET Bible, CEV) studied the Bible thoroughly and found out that the KJV version of Acts20:28 is against Jesus revealed truth at John 3:16 which supports 1John 1:7. 4:9-11,14.

Hypocrite! I know you have to agree with GNT, NET Bible, CEV and also believe they studied Bible THOROUGHLY simply because they translated it the same way like your satanic NWT.

And I know if another verse pop up now, you can't use them as a yard stick for your truth and openly affirm them as people who STUDIED BIBLE THOROUGHLY.

God NEVER offered his blood to sit at the right hand of himself.
Hebrew9 :9,12.
Or you mean that God was crying out to himself: "My God, my God why have you forsaken me ?" Matt27:46.
Mr lying Pharisee, scriptures confirms scriptures.- John 3:16, 1st John4:9-11& 1:7 supported each other.
No wonder that pagan Roman army officer & his fellow soldiers get sense pass you wey dey form Christian! Matt 27:54.
Lol.

If not because you're silly and ignorance, you agree that Jesus is a God yet you can still be stupid enough to say God never offered his blood.

This shows that you people know exactly what you're fighting against in the Bible.

LordReed:
Ah its supernatural that's why there is no evidence of a global flood. This your god loves playing hide and seek so much.

The title of this thread is, what buried dinosaurs in mass grave?

And the opening message was "There are thousands of Dinosaurs "bone beds" scattered around the world —Bone beds are layers of ancient dried muds. How did the Dinosaurs & other ancient creatures end up in there?"

You haven't debunk that, yet claiming there's no evidence of global flood.

Yet claiming to be more intelligent than theist....

LordReed:
Why will you arrest children for wearing bloody clothes? Instead you'll first check if the blood is theirs or not, before investigating where it came from. This your example simply doesn't work.

Then you don't understand the example.

Janosky:
* Contemporary Engl version (CEV
"..it is the flock he bought with the blood of his own son" Acts 20:28

** NET Bible
" The church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own son" Acts 20:28

*** Good News Transl'n (GNT)
" Which he made his own through the blood of his son"

1 John 1:7. 4:10,14 proves why Acts20:28 must be rendered as it is in NWT.


" The blood of Jesus,his son,purifies us from sin" 1 John 1:7
** The Father has sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins" .
1 John 4:10,14.

** It is noteworthy that GNT , CEV and NET Bible were published by Trinitarian translators but refused and rejected the trinitarian idea implied by KJV.

This is how an hypocrite and bias minded person behave.

In defence of 1 Timothy 3:16 your point wasn't the list of others that translated it like KJV but the word GOD was dubiously inserted because it's not in the original manuscript.

Here you come, listing other versions having the same interpretation with the nwt, hypocrite!

I can give you different reasons why the word GOD was inserted in 1 Tim 3:16 and other translations other than KJV that have the word GOD in them.

But see how you keep exposing your fraudulent hypocritical attitude to the world.

Tell us why the word "SON" in Acts 20:28 which was not in the original manuscript was dubiously inserted by your organization?

Maximus69:
I'm not obliged to address your questions Sir, if you're not an offspring of the Pharisees why are you always after Witnesses with countless questions? Luke 11:53-54

If you're not obliged to address my question, why can't you just shut up your mouth and stay off of my mention?

If I'm offspring of Pharisees because I asked questions, same with you and your brothers. Only an hypocrite will accuse other of what they do best.

Before you divert our attention from the main point.

Why did NWT insert the word SON in Acts 20:28 which does not appear in the original manuscript? Is the question!

If you can't answer, then sway!

OpenYourEyes1:
Nice proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZmdHyar4i8


Credit: FOLYKAZE

FOLYKAZE the only open-minded atheist on Nairaland.

JohnnyOhJohn:
Again I'm begging for clear answers, not parables or idioms

That's the problem with you people...

If your neighbor killed and his clothes was soaked with blood, and your neighbor's children put on the cloth, will you arrest them or not?

This is to buttress the example you gave, nothing is parable or idiomatic here.

JohnnyOhJohn:
Let me make use of an example first;
Is it right to judge my neighbor's children for the sins of their father... No right?

Your example is faulty.

It should be this way,
If your neighbor has a cloth soaked with a blood of human and your neighbor's children keep putting on the cloth, will you arrest them?

Majority of you don't even know the meaning of Adam's fall and why we share in his sin.

So why are we judged for the sins of Adam and Eve

because they gave us the soak blood of cloth we put on

I think we all deserve a chance to stay in the garden of eden too... And anyone that eats from the tree of knowledge should pay for it alone

Yes! But only if our soak blood of cloth can be removed.

Which is either God destroyed all of us and create another set of people or we have privilege to remove our soak blood of cloth.

To be honest.. I still don't know why we were created in the first place,,, as in can't we just stay up there in Heaven and worship God

We were created to have dominion over the earth

And if it is true that God's creations are perfect, why wasn't Adam and Eve perfect?... Why did they fall for lucify that isn't perfect too... Why I'm I doubting the whole story if I'm perfect

Save for another time

Maximus69:
You can't bully anyone here Sir,the era of the Pharisaic fears is gone now! Act 5:28

So there was a time you fear Pharisees. unbelievable!

So where did I forbid you not to teach in Jesus' name?

Now anybody can yarn anytime, anywhere, anyhow and any issue, this is social media Sir.

You know this is also applicable to you.

So respect yourself if truly you want to show that you're for Jesus! 1Peter 3:15

How should I respect myself?

Meanwhile, my question still remains.

Why did NWT insert the word SON in Acts 20:28 when it didn't appear in original manuscript?

After all, your brother is accusing someone of inserting the word GOD in 1 Tim 3:16 to propagate the doctrine of Trinity.

Maximus69:
Wahala dey o!
Mr Maximus69, who don't doesn't want to see Christian comment on NL! Now i'm beginning to enjoy all of these!

Address my post if not be silent forever!

Janosky:
** Whether you like it or not, everyone knows that Jehovah or Yahweh is transliteration of God's name ,written YHWH in Hebrew.
Lord is NOT YHWH anywhere.
But Jehovah & Yahweh is YHWH.

https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

** LEXICON
" By common confession the mystery of godliness is great.
He appeared in the flesh......"

Here in the most ancient authorities, the word "God" does NOT occur.
We must, then,literally translate the Greek of the most famous and TRUSTWORTHY MSS as follows:
' He was manifested in the flesh'

Brocab lying Pharisee, Sir Isaac Newton spoke the truth.
You & your Trinity worshippers support your scam with the FALSIFIED version of 1 Tim 3:16.

Now you're shouting that God was inserted by Trinitarian.

Why was the word SON inserted by NWT in Acts 20:28 when it's not in the original manuscript?

I know you will come up with excuse that not only NWT have the word SON but don't forget the point here is from your own statement "We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and TRUSTWORTHY MSS"

Janosky:
Your statement" the verse says I have manifested thy name..."
and your false claims,
"But JWs have to twist it to mean " I have manifested thy name. ..."
That's the proof that some thing is wrong with your brain.
Lie lie full inside.

I can see your ignorance

"I have manifested thy name UNTO MEN..."
"I have manifested thy name THROUGH QUOTING OF THE OLD TESTAMENT..."

This is what you claim Jesus did...

Lying Pharisee, Jesus knew the actual pronunciation of his Father's name & revealed it to his disciples (Jesus said" I have made your name known to them" John 17:26, AMP) even if the actual pronunciation of God's name was lost centuries before he came.
*** Is Jesus a slave of Pharisees & Sadducees? Why should he obey a man made satanic law which forbids the pronunciation of God's name?
** John 17:26 is proof Jesus used & pronounced his Father's name.

If not because you're deluded person...

After you say this "Lying Pharisee, Jesus knew the actual pronunciation of his Father's name & revealed it to his disciples"

If Jesus actually did this, why was your organization agreed with others that the actual pronunciation of God name has been lost centuries before Jesus came and till now no-one knows the real pronunciation?

Why would Jesus' disciples lost such vital information, if it's that important?

If Jesus pronounced the name, why the Jews never accused him of blasphemy? Wouldn't that be one of the ground to stand upon to kill him?

Not everything Jesus did is written in the Bible ( John 20:30) but he himself confirmed he made known his Father's name (John 17:26).

You people can go to any length to peddle your lie but unfortunately you don't seem to see the implication on your own doctrines.

Not everything Jesus did is recorded but as vital as the name of God is to believers (as claimed by JWs) it can be forgotten to be written where Jesus Himself used the name.

Lastly, John 20:30 only tells us about other SIGNS Jesus did, not the lie you're talking about.

And even if we take it for that, verse 31 says "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name" NWT

It means, the important thing we need to know as believers is what was written down and God's name was not one of them.

The last part of verse 31 shows the key message "...you may have life by means of his name"

It is through the name of Christ that we will have life.

Funaki:
there's no way any marine life could've survived such amount of water.

Is there a way any ship could have survived such turbulent amount of water?

God who decided not to talk about marine life, wouldn't he know how to preserve their lives?

I laugh when Atheists will be analysing Noah's event with natural occurrences as if the event isn't supernatural.

Janosky:
Pls stop being foolish .
Every time Jesus said " it is written", he quoted from the old testament, wherever the Tetragramatton "YHWH" ( The name of his Father and God) appeared where he quoted, Jesus pronounced his Father's name accordingly .
Go and read the Hebrew interlinear transcription of Deu6:4 & stop scamming yourself.
"Hear O Israel: Yahweh (Jehovah) our God is one Yahweh (Jehovah)".

You must love Yahweh ( Jehovah) your God... Deu 6:5 ,Jesus quoted in Matt 22:36,37, must call his Father's name , whether he pronounced it as Yahweh, Jehovah or any other way unknown to us, who cares?
The point is, Jesus called and declared (made ) God's name known at a time the Jews spoke Greek rather than mother tongue, Hebrew and the superstitious belief that God's name is too holy to be uttered by mortals was slowly gaining ground

Liars everywhere!

If Jesus actually pronounced the name of God, how come both your organization and other people agreed that the pronunciation of the real name of God has been lost centuries before Jesus came?

Wouldn't the Pharisees and sadducees use that avenue to accuse Jesus the more, for pronouncing God's name when everyone is forbidden for doing so?

Apart from allege claim where Jesus quoted the old testament by JWs, why Jesus didn't personally address God as Jehovah any where in the scripture?

Isn't it better if Jesus himself addressed God as Jehovah rather than addressing Him through a quote?

Lastly, you people always leave the key point in Jesus statement.

The verse says: "I have manifested thy name UNTO THE MEN which thou gavest me..."

But JWs have to twist it to mean "I have manifested thy name THROUGH THE QUOTE OF THE OLD WRITINGS..."

Dottore:
I think you are more knowledgeable than me in football matters. I don't think I've ever watched any soccer match from start to finish

Your own is even better

Me Nairaland is my stadium and view center that's why any match that wasn't feature on FP I don't know anything about it.

And my own even better than my friend's because he is a Messi fan, so nothing concerns him about other players or matches.

The funny thing is, he can't even identify Messi anywhere nor single him out in a group of players.

So, if Kano pillar and sunshine are playing and you say to him Messi is here, he won't argue and he will pay attention more than anybody, after some minutes if he didn't hear the name Messi, then he will say, it's like Messi is not here... and once you said Messi isn't here, he'll just stand up and take his leave.

If I say your intellectual is very low some people will think I'm abusing you.

Janosky:
Did Thomas say Jesus is our God?

Do you mean Thomas has two God?

If you called Buhari "my President", are you meaning he is the President of every one on earth?

Is there anything like World PRESIDENT?

The words of Jesus in John 20:17 &
Rev 3:5,12,14,21 over ruled your satanic interpretation & twisting of John20:28.

You lying pharisees disdain the words of Jesus , the perfect son of God& master of Thomas but cling to his disciple, Thomas, as if he's your lord and saviour.
Naso your sense reach....

We cling to Thomas's word because he said it in front of Jesus and as a Jew who knew, addressing someone other than God as God is blasphemy.

The problem you're having as well as other anti-trinitarian is that you failed to learn what you're arguing about.

Trinitarian didn't argue against John 20:17 but they know when the scripture talks about pre-human Jesus and when Jesus became part of His own creation.

But it's you lying JWs that is twisting the word of Thomas and make Thomas to have two Gods.

Agrogbeide:
you are very funny bro.
KJV:And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27
KJV:Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28
KJV:And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29
KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Now read the above again but this time slowly and gently.

He won't read it because what you see him saying has been planted in his head by JWs GB.

Maximus69:
Thank you Sir, it's just the truth that's all. Thomas never meant Jesus is his God or Lord,but you're entitled to your own opinion just as every one else!
Thomas was shocked that's all and when people are shocked, they'll exclaim 'oh my God!' of course it doesn't mean that what they are viewing is their God Sir!

When you know I'm entitled to my opinion, why did you bother you in the first place?

Anytime your lies are exposed, you always come with flimsy excuses...

You started with culture and language, of which in the history no Jews will ever joke with the name of God talkless of addressing someone else with it.

If other tribes are doing it not with the Jews because they were well taught about God.

Well, the joke is on you, by seeing the obvious in the scripture but decided to twist it to your own taste...

Thomas knew exactly what he said not that he was shocked as you people twisted it.

"Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.” John 20:26-28 NWT

What can we deduce from here?
1. Jesus first erased their fear by saying "May you have peace" only JWs will say this statement means something else.
2. Jesus discussed with Thomas in a friendly manner "Next he said to Thomas..."
3. Thomas replied Jesus "In answer Thomas said to him:.." this means Thomas knew exactly what he's saying and who is addressing because there is a conversation between Jesus and Thomas.
4. Jesus didn't condemn him nor correct him rather placed a blessing on those who will believe without seeing him.

This deluded JWs is here again

Maximus69:
Language and culture has caused a lot of confusion on the event recorded at John 20:28.
In most cultures around the world,

If you're talking about culture and language, then you shouldn't have come with this useless point of view because it exposes your ignorance the more because a Jew will never mistakenly address anyone with "My God and My Lord"!

when people see what is far beyond their grasp they often say 'my God!' 'oh my God!' 'my God and my Lord'. For instance i could remember vividly during the late 80s when my grandma {from the village} came visiting us, she was watching American wrestling for the first time in her life and at the way the wrestlers were treating each other she exclaimed 'My Lord and My God!' Of course she couldn't have meant that any of those wrestlers are her God or Lord but out of amazement she couldn't hold her peace anymore!
So Thomas' case is exactly the same, he never meant that Jesus is to be worshiped in place of Jehovah!

Give us another instance in the scripture where someone else mistakenly address another as My God.

The truth is Jesus was called "My God" and scripture recorded it but what excuse did JWs have?

It was just an exclamation!

Forgotten that Jesus addressed Thomas first before Thomas replied Jesus not something that happened suddenly with fear. Well who am I to tell you other wise what GB has planted in your skull.

herlecks:
Bro, this is not a fight, ease up. And that's a worldly mentality, thinking here is about winning or losing some nonsensical argument. I'm here to open eyes, expose the common erroneous beliefs, but not everyone will see, that's sure. Even the Lord Jesus couldn't convert the whole of Israel.

You want to open eyes, yes your own eyes are blind. You don't know the meaning and what Trinity entails, yes you want to open their eyes. Isn't that delusion?

See, you are either confused or deceived, and it could be as a result of yielding grounds to demons. If Jesus has "a God," that cancels out trinity doctrine. Do you understand what it means to call someone "my God?"

Let's go by your own logic, you agree that Jesus is God, then isn't Jesus your own God

Thomas called Jesus "My God" do you know more than him

This proves the Father receiving worship and prayer from the Son.

Then it also means the Son receives worship and prayers from his disciples.

Well, the angels have the essence of God, then they are all equal with the Father? That's folly, and not biblical. For God is Spirit, that is the essence. Humans have spirit also, that makes us equal with God? We even have His spirit, then we're all equal with God.

When I said you know nothing it seems I'm over exaggerating but see what you just spew here.

Imagine, God is Spirit, that is the essence.

Give us the meaning of essence and see how folly you are.

When the brilliant mind tries to explain scripture it falls into a ditch, for scripture is not interpreted by brilliance, but by revelation of the spirit. What will become of this generation if the so called leaders and ministers of tomorrow continues to explain scripture with their shallow minds and not by revelation? They would rather depend on the common filthy lies passed down through the years rather than search the scripture and dig the truth out. Hence, they pass folly and error unto their children, and so the cycle continues for ages.

Even when you don't understand what you yourself is talking about.

I repeat, on the revelation of the Son of God was the Church built, if anyone does not believe Jesus to be the Son of God, and not God nor equal with God, such is not part of the Body of Christ, which is His Church.

Did the Trinitarians tell you they don't believe Jesus is the son of God

before you proceed, give us the description of what Trinity is all about, let's compare it with your claim here.

Lastly, it glaring how you intentionally boycotting most of my points without addressing them.

I even thought you know what you're arguing about before but unfortunately you know nothing my advice for you is to go and read what Trinity entails first before you come online.

herlecks:
Jesus is not the Father but the Son.

Then who says Jesus is the Father before

Jesus is a God who has a God. The term "God" is not a person but an essence. Anybody could be called "god," humans, angels and demons were called gods,

The point is, do demons, angels and human have the essence of the Father?

so does that make them all the Father?

It has been explained to you by @isce with a picture that Jesus is not the Father.

If scripture calls Jesus God, this only defines His essence not his person,

So you agree Jesus and His Father are equal in essence and not as person...so is that not what Trinity said?

His person has a Father and a God.

Where does Trinitarian deny this?

Why do you continue to argue against scripture? Jesus says He has a God and a Father, you folks say Jesus is a liar, that He Himself is the Father and the God.

This statement shows that you don't know shit about Trinity, yet you're forming Mr know it all.

So then who is lost in error? Bro, I can't make you see this, but I believe if you prayerfully humble yourself before God, you will receive a revelation of the Son of God. For upon this revelation was the Church built, so if anyone does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself, such does not belong to thr Church of Christ to begin with.

You're the very one in error.

Trinitarian teaches that Jesus is the Son of God and God in essence but not the Father likewise Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and God in essence but not the Son neither the Father.

You can see that you agree with Trinity yet erroneously arguing against what you agree with.

You've lost on your own thread.

herlecks:
This is how humans fall into error, when they have no scriptural backup for their "ideas." I'll be discussing scriptures alone, not your thoughts. I gave you scriptures but you're hellbent on your ideas which does not really matter to me. If you will not believe the verses in my reply to your comment then nothing will convince you of the truth. You will do well to wait on God and pray for revelation.

Your problem is that, you don't hold your own word as true, if not you'll see that this is not my own idea but what you said and agree with.

1. You agreed The word of God is God Himself...
2. Jesus is the Word of God...then isn't Jesus God?
3. You said the word of God was begotten from ETERNITY...isn't only God eternal?
4. You said the word has the quality and personality of God. Doesn't that make the word God? Can something has the quality and personality of human being and yet not Human Being?

Isn't our quality and personality as Human that makes us human?

Reconsider your points and see there is no need for this thread.

herlecks:
It was recorded that the Word was with God, and that the Word was a God.

You agreed that your word is your own self.

Why then the Word of God not God Himself

The word was (a) God, what is the different between a God and God?

A man or man, what's the different!

The Word was begotten in eternity, He was the Son of God. God cannot be with Himself, right?

So you mean there was a time God couldn't speak until He begat His own word...interesting!

The Word is another person, the Word belongs to the Father,

From above you said, the word was begotten from eternity then said the word is a PERSON and also BELONG TO THE FATHER...This shows that you people know the truth but always bend it as your father the devil wants you to.

The word of God belongs to God and nothing else.

He, the Word of the Father, carries the qualities and personality of the Father, the Father expresses Himself through the Word or Son. The Father is called God and Ancient of Days and the Father of Spirits,

Is the word of God different from God Himself

If the word has quality and personality of the Father, doesn't that tell you that the word has what makes God God yet not the same as The Father?

This is what the blessed apostle Paul affirmated in Phil 2

The Son of God is called the Word of God or the Son of man. This Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, according to scripture. This is the Word of God, even our Lord Jesus.

If an entity has the quality and personality of human, automatically the entity will be called human.

Like I said, there's no need for this thread after you made all these statements.

herlecks:
That's a deception, sir. Jesus is and was and will be the Word Yahweh speaks throughout eternity, either directly or by His prophets. But of course, His Word carries His personality. What I speak is what I am.

I don't know the essence of this thread if you agree with the above statement.

Is the Word of God not God Himself?

If the word carries His PERSONALITY, does that mean the Word is less than God Himself?