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TATIME:
As far as we're concerned, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're NOT worshiping our God!

At least it's your God and not the The living God of the universe.

That is what we're saying with our words, thoughts and actions. But it is you and your folks practicing INTERFAITH that misconstrued our stand as condemning you!

Imagine, we misconstrue it or you people say it openly even in your publication...that's another hypocrisy from the mister of hypocrite.

If you believe that you're worshiping the same God with all religious group claiming Christians, we don't!

Then why did you say only God knows the true belief...

Are you not saying you're God for you to know?

That is why our God gave us a special name to distinguish us from all those claiming Christians! Isaiah 65:15

Yet no early Christians ever addressed with such name but were all called CHRISTIAN which means Christlike.

TATIME:
You are saying what you believe Sir and i am saying what i believe, so only God can determine whose belief is correct or wrong!

But you people turn yourself to God before by claiming ONLY JWs are the true Christians on earth.

I bet your organization will disagree with you on this your statement, well it seems some of you have began to come to your senses lately.

Jozzy4:
Liar liar .

For God sent his only begotten SON.
Who did he sent ? If he wasn't a son before
God the son didn't exist before he came to earth ? no such thing as Trinity ? Una they rope yourself

Hypocrite!

Read my post again, were you be able to differentiate between when scripture spoke about Jesus preincarnation and postincarnation?

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON

How was He begotten?

Jozzy4:
Am asking a question. Is Jesus not created ? Why called Son of God ? At least before you accuse someone of changing meaning, we must be certain about how genuine is your claim

Liar you said I Emusan agreed with the word OTHER...Did I?

See my answer above!

Barristter07:

It only change the narration, if Jesus wasn't created.

Is he not ? A question possed to you by the monicker " Jozzy4 " says explain why he is called Son of God.

And the truth is Jesus wasn't created, so your translation is faulty.

Jesus is the Son of God because He was born by God on earth

Jesus was The Word of God before His incarnation.

The Word of God is God!

I'll continue to say, until you people will be able to differentiate between when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He became part of creation and after He entered creation (become part of creation) then you people will continue in your delusional.

shadeyinka:
I used the word "memory verses" because you are prone to ignoring questions when asked and instead what you do is just to state your doctrines. To me it sounds like a repeatation of what you have been taught rather than an analysis of the Scriptures for the truth!

My brother, pay attention to that @color part, you perfectly describe them and that's what they were actually taught.

Defending watchtower organization and abandoned their reasoning in the hall.

Note: It's intentional and their aim is to divert your attention from the main point and confuse you with their lies.

Janosky:
Janosky is in sifia pains and a hypocrite... Lying Pharisee wey no know say scriptures confirmed scriptures.

Jesus said his God and Father did NOT come in the flesh , "The Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have NEVER heard his voice nor seen his form"
John 5:37. Jesus words still refuted your God's own blood falsehood in Acts20:28.

How can God shed his own blood since Jesus said his God and Father was never seen on earth ?
Or you mean Jesus lied.
Go throway your God was manifest in the flesh falsehood for dustbin.

** Jesus says his God and Father granted life to his son, Jesus.
John 5:26.

Jesus Father and God created the universe THROUGH the Word, his spokesman, Jesus. Heb1:1,2.

"OTHER" emphasized what Jesus said in John 5:26 and Paul's account in Heb1:1,2 as AUTHENTIC FACT.
Are you so daft ? How can the one his Father granted life be the Creator?

Paste the words of Matt11;25,26 & Eph 3:14,15 into your brain.
Else ,your mumu is incurable.

Hypocrite JWs and your point is still watchtower has the right to insert word to propagate their devilish doctrines but others don't.

Dishonest JWs I asked you to show us the Greek grammar construct of Colossians 1 since you agreed with the same Greek grammar construct of Acts to justify John 1:1, but what sayeth thou You pretended as if you didn't see it.

God of mercy will deliver you and your GB from hypocrisy!

Jozzy4:
Emusan agreed Other is not wrong ,

Stop attacking straw man, Why is Jesus called Son of God if he wasn't ccreated ?

Since he is created, JW are right

What is this one saying

Janosky:
Greek 'theou', 'theos', 'theon' meaning "Gods", "God", "god", "gods , lower case or upper case is not significant.
I already know that Acts12:22 NWT, reads 'a god', I'm a Bible student, all JWs are.

More so, Jesus says He is God's son and God's sons are gods.
The son of God is a god. John 10:34-36.
" The scriptures can not be broken"
Lying Pharisee and hypocrites
like Emusan and shadeyinka are too blind to see it.

You're just attacking a straw man.

My post to your brother is about Col 1:16-17 which he agreed the word OTHER was added for emphasis.

But look how foolish you change the whole point of discussion and begin to beat about the bush.

Notice what you're doing here, you're telling us reason why a word can be inserted. I have asked you before, so do you think other translations can justify the reason they also added some words into their own translations?

It is so stupid to think JWs are the only one who have right to defend insertion into their translation and also hypocrisy to accuse someone of what you yourself is doing.

The other day, you said to promote Trinity the translator of KJV fraudulently inserted the word GOD in 1 Tim 3:16

Your reason: The word GOD doesn't appear in the original manuscript.

But when I pointed you to Acts 20:28 where your own organization inserted the word SON which doesn't appear in the original manuscript to promote their own devilish doctrine, your tune changed!

What did you do? You didn't see it as a fraudulent act and way of promoting watchtower doctrine but you were roaming about trying to justify why watchtower did so...which you couldn't do with the same KJV.....Hypocrite!

Lastly, it's evident that NWT translator intentionally and fraudulently inserted words into their own translation to promote their own devilish doctrines.

The reasons the Greek grammar construct justified "a" before 'theou' @ Acts12:22 is the same reasons John 1:1 MUST have "a" because Greek John 1:1b- 'the Word was with the God', shows that the Word is not the God, they are different beings.

Since you agree with Greek grammar construct here

If you're such an honest being, kindly shows us how the Greek grammar construct justified OTHER in between ALL THINGS in Colossians 1

I know you'll begin to sing another song now.

Janosky:
Oga Emusan ,
So, what's the intended point of adding the word "a" before 'theou' @ Acts12;22?

Do you now agree that NWT did the same thing you people are always accused other translations for?

That's the point....

But you will castigate others translations but trying to justify the reason why NWT did it and never the reason why other did it....

Hypocrite!

Barristter07:
First, There are various translations that rendered the Greek word e-lay differently and not me in all context , the root meaning can also mean WHOM ! . Keep in mind that the strong concordance in your screenshot only highlight the KJV usages .


Secondly, But let us look at the KJV context and see If it support the " Me " translation.

Zech 12:10:
"And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."


Why the sudden change from ME to HIM ?

A question to you shadeyinka . so who is pierced, who is mourned for ?

I cannot laugh . I want answers

Are you saying Zec 12:10 isn't talking about Jesus Christ or what is your point exactly?

Barristter07:
Your point exactly: Is it wrong to add the word " OTHER " for emphasis ?

So to you adding the word OTHER in those verses didn't change the narration and the intended point of the original writer....

Wasn't the word OTHER added to place Jesus as second created being

If other translations do it, it's to support their false doctrine but if JWs does it, it's justified and right!


Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

dawnomike:
In my opinion..., He did not. That was why he decended into the grave to preach to them. The same gospel we heard was preached to them also in the hades when Christ died and I guess just the way some are not accepting the gospel on earth now, Some of the dead too then did not accept the Gospel Christ preached to them also.

#MYOPINION

The OP asked, did Jesus die for the sins of those who lived before His crucifixion?

Of course scripture confirms that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world as a lamb slain from foundation of the world.

samuelson06:
Wow. Can I call them from Ikorodu?

You can call them anyway around the world...

Berekete is a big family and you won't regret of coming in contact with Ordinary President.

It is only this man that gave me little hope about this country.

Explorers:
First delivered in 1984, the Boeing 757 is still flying services for Delta.

The first model, the 757-200, was 45 per cent more fuel efficient than the Boeing 727 it replaced.

In 1992, Delta received the 500th 757 made by Boeing and since 2007 has operated the largest 757 fleet in the world.

See what they were served and useless Arik and Airpeace will be given us biscuits and God forsaken fish roll.

LordReed:
Lemme ask you, according to your theology, are you still a sinner since you committed sin in the past?

If my sin in the past is fornication and I committed murder now that still made me a sinner...

JWs keep being hypocrite in different ways...

So what they did 18years ago is one of many ones they have done and still doing.

LordReed:
Yes they were hypocrites then but now on the same matter they are not, you'll have to word it differently.

Your statement @bold looks like what a typical JWs will say, reason the person discussing with you can justify your post by saying "Well Christianity is about those who accepted that 'they are Sinners' [Luke 5:32] and sin connotes error or blunders,"

But what you failed to realize is that this action by JWs organization simply shows the kind of person they are and how they manipulate situation to their favour.

He told me to research because if he had put it from the beginning his framing them as hypocrites now will hold no water. I already have heard of this matter before but I was not sure if it was the same as before hence my questions.

They are hypocrites because if you are being reading about JWs you would've known.

Case study is the statement of the person discussing with you "Well Christianity is about those who accepted that 'they are Sinners' [Luke 5:32] and sin connotes error or blunders,"

Look at this statement from the suppose person who strongly believe that JWs are the only TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ today.

But just to compliment your statement he had to pull out this.

Decades before they joined the UN association they were written various articles against UN and Christendom but towards the time they want to join, they tune changed and begin to praise UN.

Please read this article with open mind to that you can have a clear understanding of what we're saying.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

LordReed:
I said he framed it like an ongoing matter. Also you do not call someone a hypocrite simply because they changed their position, that's not what a hypocrite is.

He didn't, I could remember he told you to do research first on your own right from beginning.

They are hypocrites because they have been accusing UN first before they joined. They didn't change their position but when people exposed their dubious act that's why the back out.

Is pastor who sees herbalist as evil person and preaching against it but went secretly to the same herbalist for power an hypocrite?

LordReed:
The one thing consistent with the JW organisation is change of position depending on varying factors. Whether it makes them hypocrites is up for debate cos anyone can claim they made a made a mistake and went about to correct it. You didn't need to frame it like it was a matter that was still subsisting, if they change their position on a matter it is their prerogative to do so.

What you didn't grab from this is that

JWs has been calling UN the beast of revelation for many years before they become associate.

Why calling them the beast, they are still secretly using UN LIBRARY....imagine!

After they discovered that secretly using the library won't work anymore unless you are part of them...they took the bold step of joining their association.

The point would've been clear had it been JWs started calling UN the beast of revelation after the whole issue but calling someone beast of revelation and still using the facility of that person is what sir?

LordReed:
You wrote an accusatory post like if it was an ongoing matter, only to find out it is something from 18years ago. A child born then would already have hair on his chin and pubes. Anytime you are asked pertinent questions you become defensive, a sure sign you recognize the problems with your position but instead of being honest you spit nonsense. Check yourself.

You call this an ACCUSATION, how is it an accusation?

Besides, referring to something of 18years now is no more fact in our world, right?

I know you're not here to defend JWs but this line of your reasoning is out of it.

Janosky:
Lying Pharisees and hypocrites una food dun done.

JW matter dey disturb una brain sottayy any copy and paste falsehood una see online go dey give una wet dream.

You rush in to call me liar and hypocrite...

Whereas the pix you attached still supports the purpose of this thread.

Your organization has been using UN Library that they accused of being beast for many years and for them to be able to continue using the library they have to form association with the same Beast....Yet you didn't see the hypocrisy in their movement but have gut to call me the names that best fit your own organization.

When a blind is leading a blind...it's like a pastor visiting an herbalist yet portraying herbalist as evil.

Well the joke is on you...

asalimpo:
like i said,do your research. This is an open blatant secret just like the child pedophilia scandal and the reluctance of the watchtower to deliver the names of offenders to justice. Or will you say i should provide links for those too! You provide links from jw,what dyu expect them to say?

It's evident you didn't grab my message.

The first link I provided shows that JWs actually claimed UN is the beast of revelation while the second link finished us with evidence of JWs once be a member of the said UN NGO...

Look at how a JWs person leaves the main issue of this thread and start to attack strawman just to divert our attention from the subject matter.

LordReed:
It concerns me because I am concerned with truth.

And what will you benefit from the truth?

asalimpo:
The jw religion (jehovah witnesses) believe that the beast in the book of revelations is the United Nations (UN). The preach against it and condemn it in their teaching,the issue however is that for almost a decade the watchtower has been a member of the UN they condemn! How much more hypocritical could one be?

You should have posted some links to support your claim.

Anyways, I got these two!

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/scarlet-beast-of-revelation-17/


https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

LordReed:
What is your proof of this?

And how does this concern an Atheist?

Coming from the great Master and Lord of lords

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

The most comforting statement ever!

Janosky:
In many trinitarian Bible translations ,John 20:28 ends with exclamation (!).

You know it's an exclamation yet you're trying so hard to prove Thomas only called Jesus his God and not our God... isn't that stupidity

Besides, exclamation doesn't only mean the lies you people are claiming it to be always.

An exclamation is a sound, word, or sentence that is spoken suddenly, loudly, or emphatically and that expresses excitement, admiration, shock, or anger.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/exclamation

Even though exclamation was used by some versions doesn't erase the fact what Thomas said.

The scripture recorded "and Thomas said to him" which means Thomas directed his statement to Jesus and knew excertlly what he said.

Lastly, before you quote me, the person I replied said "Do you know what it means for someone to call another 'My God'? It means the person (called my God) received worship and prayers"

But after you erroneously jump into what doesn't concern you, you agreed Thomas called Jesus my God and that's only for Thomas and not us since he didn't say our God. You even went further to use "my president" as an example.

You can keep deny scripture and twist it but the door of salvation is still wide opened.

Shalom!

Janosky:
You getting it wrong.
" My President" is an expression which does not cover everyone.

"My teacher is not the same as "our teacher" likewise "my God" is not " our God".
If you like argue till kingdom come.
Did Jesus ever say he is our God?

** Thomas say Jesus na him Oga,OK. Jesus say him get Oga for heaven and earth wey be him (Jesus) Oga and Thomas Oga.
John 20:17.
The God of Jesus & Thomas na their Oga for heaven.
Rev 3:5,12-14,21.

** Jesus say No human being done see him Oga for eye to eye. John 5:37. 6:46.
Jesus say you Emusan na unbeliever, lying Pharisee who listen & believe the junk from the stable of pastorpreneurs.
John 5:38-42.

* Why should Jesus rebuke Thomas , when it was obvious Thomas still doubted Jesus resurrection?
"Stop doubting and believe" John 20:24-28.

It's true that verse 28 is an expression of surprise, an exclamation!

Now the delusion is taking to another level...

If verse 28 is truly an expression of surprise, and exclamation!

Then, did Thomas actually called Jesus my God?

As you're trying to claim since.

In one breath you agreed that Thomas actually called Jesus my God but this only means Jesus is Thomas God alone and not our God in another breath you still want it to be Thomas statement was a surprise or exclamation which in real sense Thomas didn't mean what he said.


Self destruction is very easy when dealing with a confuse JWs.

An open-minded person following this thread can see that confusion is a cloth you put on.

Janosky:
Why are you so idiotic ?


Galatians 1:3,4 says you're bereft of sense...


The phrase "your own blood"
OR
"his own blood (Acts20:28) " ,what does it actually mean?
** Answer: His offspring, his son.
"Your own blood" refers to your son and other blood relatives, not to you.

***## Idiotic Pharisee wey lost him sense, Jesus the son of God is God's own blood, so to speak.

** "God loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
1john4:10.

*** " We have seen and testify that the Father sent his son to be the saviour of the world" 1John4:14

Emusan lying Pharisee, say na the Father get blood for body and sent himself.

Lol.

You're not talking about older manuscripts with "Church of Lord" again simply because your deluded organization didn't follow your argument.

You've shifted the goal post to God's own blood.

I'll never allow you go away with this because that's the tactics you people always employ to divert attention.

Brainwashed JWs, you accused KJV of being fraudulent by inserting the word GOD which was not found in the original manuscript so that they can promote Trinity.

Isn't your own organization dubiously inserted the word Son in Acts 20:28 to promote their devil doctrines of Jesus not God? Hypocrite!

All this jumping around like monkey won't safe you.

Janosky:
** Stop being foolish, to call Buhari "my President", you're talking about his authority relative to Nigeria & Nigerians.

It's no more president of everyone on earth....deluded shameless liar.

Likewise , for Thomas to call Jesus "my God" is relative to Thomas's view of his relationship with Jesus.

Now you finally agreed that Thomas called Jesus "My God" no more it's just an exclamation.

Then if Jesus is Thomas God, is Jesus your God too?

Which other disciple called Jesus " my God" ? None!

The fact that Thomas called Jesus God in Jesus presence without Jesus rebuking him speaks a volume only a JWs deluded person will think such thing can happen.

Lying Pharisees everywhere.
John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" that statement has no twist and turns,except you're bereft of sense and deceive yourself.

In heaven and earth, the Father and God of Jesus is also the Father and God of his disciples .
Rev 3:5,12-14,21. Rom15:5,6.

At least, Thomas now has two God.

Shameless idiotic JWs

NPComplete:
Well this must be embarrassing for u. Since the guy isn't an atheist but a traditionalist.

What do you know?

Janosky:
You are a fool show casing your ignorance here.

If not because your foolishness submerged your stupidity, you won't come here and be defending indefensible.

KJV is a Textus Receptus Bible based on 16th century manuscript added with maggi, dadawa and many spurious stuffs not found in older existing manuscripts which TR copied from.
Older existing manuscripts rendered Acts 20:28 "church of the lord " (Eph5:25 ,Galatians1:3,4 vindicates CEV,GNT, NWT, )

All your attempts just to defend your fraudulent organization keep backfired on you. Yet your dull brain didn't allow you to see that.

If the older existing manuscripts rendered it "Church of the Lord" and your organization knows that the older manuscripts rendered it such way, why then did your own organization version still read CONGREGATION OF GOD?"

"Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son." NWT

keep shouting and ranting, every scriptures and Jesus himself says he is the son sent by God his Father to sacrifice his blood to redeem mankind.

But God has to forget when revealing Acts 20:28 to Paul and you have to be the one to remind him and correct the Holy Spirit.

Acts 20:28 has no hebrew interlinear. It's a Greek text.
The verdict of the horse's mouth - Jesus stated truth keeps speaking against your satanic fallacies

The question is, did the word SON appear in the original manuscript of Acts 20:28?

Stop beating about the bush.

Isn't it dishonesty to someone who believe Jesus is God and still fight against a verse that read "God manifested in the flesh"?

Also, why accusing KJV of being fraudulent by inserting the word GOD in 1 Tim 3:16 because it's not in the original manuscript but not easy for you to condemn your own organization for doing the same in Acts 20:28? Hypocrite!