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LordReed:
Yes they were hypocrites then but now on the same matter they are not, you'll have to word it differently.

Your statement @bold looks like what a typical JWs will say, reason the person discussing with you can justify your post by saying "Well Christianity is about those who accepted that 'they are Sinners' [Luke 5:32] and sin connotes error or blunders,"

But what you failed to realize is that this action by JWs organization simply shows the kind of person they are and how they manipulate situation to their favour.

He told me to research because if he had put it from the beginning his framing them as hypocrites now will hold no water. I already have heard of this matter before but I was not sure if it was the same as before hence my questions.

They are hypocrites because if you are being reading about JWs you would've known.

Case study is the statement of the person discussing with you "Well Christianity is about those who accepted that 'they are Sinners' [Luke 5:32] and sin connotes error or blunders,"

Look at this statement from the suppose person who strongly believe that JWs are the only TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ today.

But just to compliment your statement he had to pull out this.

Decades before they joined the UN association they were written various articles against UN and Christendom but towards the time they want to join, they tune changed and begin to praise UN.

Please read this article with open mind to that you can have a clear understanding of what we're saying.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

LordReed:
I said he framed it like an ongoing matter. Also you do not call someone a hypocrite simply because they changed their position, that's not what a hypocrite is.

He didn't, I could remember he told you to do research first on your own right from beginning.

They are hypocrites because they have been accusing UN first before they joined. They didn't change their position but when people exposed their dubious act that's why the back out.

Is pastor who sees herbalist as evil person and preaching against it but went secretly to the same herbalist for power an hypocrite?

LordReed:
The one thing consistent with the JW organisation is change of position depending on varying factors. Whether it makes them hypocrites is up for debate cos anyone can claim they made a made a mistake and went about to correct it. You didn't need to frame it like it was a matter that was still subsisting, if they change their position on a matter it is their prerogative to do so.

What you didn't grab from this is that

JWs has been calling UN the beast of revelation for many years before they become associate.

Why calling them the beast, they are still secretly using UN LIBRARY....imagine!

After they discovered that secretly using the library won't work anymore unless you are part of them...they took the bold step of joining their association.

The point would've been clear had it been JWs started calling UN the beast of revelation after the whole issue but calling someone beast of revelation and still using the facility of that person is what sir?

LordReed:
You wrote an accusatory post like if it was an ongoing matter, only to find out it is something from 18years ago. A child born then would already have hair on his chin and pubes. Anytime you are asked pertinent questions you become defensive, a sure sign you recognize the problems with your position but instead of being honest you spit nonsense. Check yourself.

You call this an ACCUSATION, how is it an accusation?

Besides, referring to something of 18years now is no more fact in our world, right?

I know you're not here to defend JWs but this line of your reasoning is out of it.

Janosky:
Lying Pharisees and hypocrites una food dun done.

JW matter dey disturb una brain sottayy any copy and paste falsehood una see online go dey give una wet dream.

You rush in to call me liar and hypocrite...

Whereas the pix you attached still supports the purpose of this thread.

Your organization has been using UN Library that they accused of being beast for many years and for them to be able to continue using the library they have to form association with the same Beast....Yet you didn't see the hypocrisy in their movement but have gut to call me the names that best fit your own organization.

When a blind is leading a blind...it's like a pastor visiting an herbalist yet portraying herbalist as evil.

Well the joke is on you...

asalimpo:
like i said,do your research. This is an open blatant secret just like the child pedophilia scandal and the reluctance of the watchtower to deliver the names of offenders to justice. Or will you say i should provide links for those too! You provide links from jw,what dyu expect them to say?

It's evident you didn't grab my message.

The first link I provided shows that JWs actually claimed UN is the beast of revelation while the second link finished us with evidence of JWs once be a member of the said UN NGO...

Look at how a JWs person leaves the main issue of this thread and start to attack strawman just to divert our attention from the subject matter.

LordReed:
It concerns me because I am concerned with truth.

And what will you benefit from the truth?

asalimpo:
The jw religion (jehovah witnesses) believe that the beast in the book of revelations is the United Nations (UN). The preach against it and condemn it in their teaching,the issue however is that for almost a decade the watchtower has been a member of the UN they condemn! How much more hypocritical could one be?

You should have posted some links to support your claim.

Anyways, I got these two!

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/scarlet-beast-of-revelation-17/


https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

LordReed:
What is your proof of this?

And how does this concern an Atheist?

Coming from the great Master and Lord of lords

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

The most comforting statement ever!

Janosky:
In many trinitarian Bible translations ,John 20:28 ends with exclamation (!).

You know it's an exclamation yet you're trying so hard to prove Thomas only called Jesus his God and not our God... isn't that stupidity

Besides, exclamation doesn't only mean the lies you people are claiming it to be always.

An exclamation is a sound, word, or sentence that is spoken suddenly, loudly, or emphatically and that expresses excitement, admiration, shock, or anger.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/exclamation

Even though exclamation was used by some versions doesn't erase the fact what Thomas said.

The scripture recorded "and Thomas said to him" which means Thomas directed his statement to Jesus and knew excertlly what he said.

Lastly, before you quote me, the person I replied said "Do you know what it means for someone to call another 'My God'? It means the person (called my God) received worship and prayers"

But after you erroneously jump into what doesn't concern you, you agreed Thomas called Jesus my God and that's only for Thomas and not us since he didn't say our God. You even went further to use "my president" as an example.

You can keep deny scripture and twist it but the door of salvation is still wide opened.

Shalom!

Janosky:
You getting it wrong.
" My President" is an expression which does not cover everyone.

"My teacher is not the same as "our teacher" likewise "my God" is not " our God".
If you like argue till kingdom come.
Did Jesus ever say he is our God?

** Thomas say Jesus na him Oga,OK. Jesus say him get Oga for heaven and earth wey be him (Jesus) Oga and Thomas Oga.
John 20:17.
The God of Jesus & Thomas na their Oga for heaven.
Rev 3:5,12-14,21.

** Jesus say No human being done see him Oga for eye to eye. John 5:37. 6:46.
Jesus say you Emusan na unbeliever, lying Pharisee who listen & believe the junk from the stable of pastorpreneurs.
John 5:38-42.

* Why should Jesus rebuke Thomas , when it was obvious Thomas still doubted Jesus resurrection?
"Stop doubting and believe" John 20:24-28.

It's true that verse 28 is an expression of surprise, an exclamation!

Now the delusion is taking to another level...

If verse 28 is truly an expression of surprise, and exclamation!

Then, did Thomas actually called Jesus my God?

As you're trying to claim since.

In one breath you agreed that Thomas actually called Jesus my God but this only means Jesus is Thomas God alone and not our God in another breath you still want it to be Thomas statement was a surprise or exclamation which in real sense Thomas didn't mean what he said.


Self destruction is very easy when dealing with a confuse JWs.

An open-minded person following this thread can see that confusion is a cloth you put on.

Janosky:
Why are you so idiotic ?


Galatians 1:3,4 says you're bereft of sense...


The phrase "your own blood"
OR
"his own blood (Acts20:28) " ,what does it actually mean?
** Answer: His offspring, his son.
"Your own blood" refers to your son and other blood relatives, not to you.

***## Idiotic Pharisee wey lost him sense, Jesus the son of God is God's own blood, so to speak.

** "God loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
1john4:10.

*** " We have seen and testify that the Father sent his son to be the saviour of the world" 1John4:14

Emusan lying Pharisee, say na the Father get blood for body and sent himself.

Lol.

You're not talking about older manuscripts with "Church of Lord" again simply because your deluded organization didn't follow your argument.

You've shifted the goal post to God's own blood.

I'll never allow you go away with this because that's the tactics you people always employ to divert attention.

Brainwashed JWs, you accused KJV of being fraudulent by inserting the word GOD which was not found in the original manuscript so that they can promote Trinity.

Isn't your own organization dubiously inserted the word Son in Acts 20:28 to promote their devil doctrines of Jesus not God? Hypocrite!

All this jumping around like monkey won't safe you.

Janosky:
** Stop being foolish, to call Buhari "my President", you're talking about his authority relative to Nigeria & Nigerians.

It's no more president of everyone on earth....deluded shameless liar.

Likewise , for Thomas to call Jesus "my God" is relative to Thomas's view of his relationship with Jesus.

Now you finally agreed that Thomas called Jesus "My God" no more it's just an exclamation.

Then if Jesus is Thomas God, is Jesus your God too?

Which other disciple called Jesus " my God" ? None!

The fact that Thomas called Jesus God in Jesus presence without Jesus rebuking him speaks a volume only a JWs deluded person will think such thing can happen.

Lying Pharisees everywhere.
John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" that statement has no twist and turns,except you're bereft of sense and deceive yourself.

In heaven and earth, the Father and God of Jesus is also the Father and God of his disciples .
Rev 3:5,12-14,21. Rom15:5,6.

At least, Thomas now has two God.

Shameless idiotic JWs

NPComplete:
Well this must be embarrassing for u. Since the guy isn't an atheist but a traditionalist.

What do you know?

Janosky:
You are a fool show casing your ignorance here.

If not because your foolishness submerged your stupidity, you won't come here and be defending indefensible.

KJV is a Textus Receptus Bible based on 16th century manuscript added with maggi, dadawa and many spurious stuffs not found in older existing manuscripts which TR copied from.
Older existing manuscripts rendered Acts 20:28 "church of the lord " (Eph5:25 ,Galatians1:3,4 vindicates CEV,GNT, NWT, )

All your attempts just to defend your fraudulent organization keep backfired on you. Yet your dull brain didn't allow you to see that.

If the older existing manuscripts rendered it "Church of the Lord" and your organization knows that the older manuscripts rendered it such way, why then did your own organization version still read CONGREGATION OF GOD?"

"Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son." NWT

keep shouting and ranting, every scriptures and Jesus himself says he is the son sent by God his Father to sacrifice his blood to redeem mankind.

But God has to forget when revealing Acts 20:28 to Paul and you have to be the one to remind him and correct the Holy Spirit.

Acts 20:28 has no hebrew interlinear. It's a Greek text.
The verdict of the horse's mouth - Jesus stated truth keeps speaking against your satanic fallacies

The question is, did the word SON appear in the original manuscript of Acts 20:28?

Stop beating about the bush.

Isn't it dishonesty to someone who believe Jesus is God and still fight against a verse that read "God manifested in the flesh"?

Also, why accusing KJV of being fraudulent by inserting the word GOD in 1 Tim 3:16 because it's not in the original manuscript but not easy for you to condemn your own organization for doing the same in Acts 20:28? Hypocrite!

AkataYeriYeri:
Igbos are so easy to spot on Nairaland these days

I laugh when people like you see criticism as a tribal war...

Yoruba adage says "If two friends enter room and came out laughing, it means they went in to deceive themselves but if they came out with strong face, it means they told themselves the truth."

Isn't Lagos over hype?

This same problem of flood that is combating Lagos was experienced some years back in Malaysia but guess what. Malaysia government came up with the idea of a "SMART TUNNEL"

This smart tunnel was divided into three parts, the ground part was using for train while the last two were used for road.

This Smart Tunnel provided single solution to two problems.

1. City flood
2. Traffic with the main city.

How does it work?
On a normal day if there's not rain and traffic begins to build up within the city all the roads will be in use including the one for train but when rain starts and the city begins to be flooded, the train lane and part will be closed first allow massive flood water to pass through it as drainage. Likewise, as the city getting flooded. If there's a need to close the remaining part, it will be closed and used as drainage.

Now, why our leaders can't do such in Lagos?

Maximus69:
So if only he could just COVER or HIDE his face in SHAME, you will be happy?

Being hypocrite shows you lack integrity and desperate.

What leads people to the truth is to see issue the way it is. The moment you begin to bend issue just to satisfy your curiosity, then you're not presenting truth.

Now answer me, is there any difference BTW the people who insert God in 1 Tim 3:16 and NWT translator who inserted SON in Acts 20:28 when neither of the words was found in the original manuscript?

LordReed:
I said show me.

Show you what

Very well I will answer and I expect a similar answer to my questions.

The reason why there are many "dinosaur graves" is because there have been several mass extinction events in the past. These events took place millions of years ago and though they reduced biological populations of both plant and animal, none of them exterminated all life on earth. One of the more famous one's is the asteroid impact, the K-T extinction event that killed of most of the large dinosaurs approximately 66million years ago.

Now answer my questions.

Asteroid impact indeed and they were BURIED beneath the ground and high mountain.

Well radiometric dating was used but guess what, till of recent blood tissues are still found in most dinosaurs bones which is not supposed to be, if they actually died millions of years ago.

LordReed:
Show me an example.

One of you just said this "Theism is a mental disorder."

You are the one shifting the goal post, I stay focused on the matter. What has origins got to do with global flood?

If you can't tell us what caused the MASS GRAVES of dinosaurs around the world, then you don't have excuse for global flood because that's the only even that can cause it.

If according to your fairytale Noah story, he took 2 of every animal, it suggests according to you that Noah ferried dinosaurs in the boat. Also, your flood story is supposedly dated at 4000years ago meanwhile the dinosaur bones are dated millions of years ago how do you account for the disparity?

Shove this into somewhere first, tell us why there is a mass graves of dinosaurs around the world.

Maximus69:
You asked and he might feel obliged to answer so you'll have his attention!

Now he can oblige but can jump around peddling lie and call other fraud for what your organization also did.

Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

These are his word and compare it with the answers he had given:

"Greek text interlinear 1tim3:16
**
"And confessedly great is the of godliness mystery: Who was revealed in the flesh....."

https://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/3-16.htm

**The word "God" was dubiously inserted there in Textus Receptus Bible such as KJV, Darby etc.
It's a well known FRAUD in the holy scriptures. No be today ee start."

Also;

"https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm
** LEXICON
" By common confession the mystery of godliness is great.
He appeared in the flesh......"
Here in the most ancient authorities, the word "God" does NOT occur.
We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and TRUSTWORTHY MSS as follows:
' He was manifested in the flesh'"

His point was centered on the original manuscript not the reason why other translations inserted the word GOD and he went further to this a FRAUDULENT ATTITUDE.

Now this is the original Hebrew interliner of Acts 20:28:
"Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock among which you to the Spirit has set overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with the own"

Suddenly, he change his argument from how MSS should be translated literally to the reason why it should be translated that way.

Isn't this dishonesty and hypocrisy?

Obviously, what he accused other people for as fraud also applicable to his own translation...yet he couldn't hide his face in shame.

Kemkemgirl:
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Who ever the one with 118 is playing for, the defence and attack are useless.

LordReed:
Where did I make such a claim?

That's what Atheists do say, do you agree with them or not?

So you are telling me dinosaur bones that are millions of years old are there as a result of a global flood that took place 4000years ago? You are suggesting that Noah ferried a couple of dinosaurs on his boat?

Now shifting the goal post.

Have you accounted for their origin first?

The OP question is, What buried dinosaurs in mass graves?

Answer the question first, then we will know whether there is evidence for global flood or not.

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses will never ask you countless questions for NO benefit.
On the other hand it's you and other offspring of Pharisees that has kept opening one thread or the other just to get JWs say something that you can use against them! Luke 11:54
You're always with one question or another and when JWs present their explanation, you start arguing as if all your folks claiming Christians believe exactly the same doctrine whereas you're all contradicting one another! Matthew 22:23,34 Act 23:8
Well i also joined Nairaland to make jest of JWs but i repented after noticing that it's out of contention that we're all questioning them. The other time i noticed Olaadegbu demanding that JWs should perform a sign to make him believe them! Matthew 16:1
You can continue with your agitation against them, i'm through with all the deceit Satan has been using to blindfold people into fighting against the TRUE followers of Jesus!

All these tactics to divert attention from the subject matter won't work, Mr hypocrite!

Tell your brother to show us where the word SON appear from the original manuscript in Acts 20:28 is what I ask for.

Since you're so dull to provide answer to my simple question.

Janosky:
*Jesus the son of his Father told you God sent him to offer his blood as a ransom to save mankind ,John 3:16.
Your fictitious claims gives you away as unbeliever , a pharisee who disdain Jesus words in John 3:16. in other words, you're saying Jesus lied in John 3:16.

As usual, you keep jumping from pillar to post.

So you couldn't provide us with the MSS manuscript where the word SON appear in Acts 20:28

Your fraudulent organization inserted the word SON to rewrite the scripture, yet can accuse other for doing the same.

If it's another they are dubious and tying to support their doctrines but if it's your organization it's because they know scripture very well.

Then as stupid as you are, do you think people who inserted GOD in 1 Tim 3:16 can't justify the reason they did so?

*** Your fellow Trinitarians (GNT, NET Bible, CEV) studied the Bible thoroughly and found out that the KJV version of Acts20:28 is against Jesus revealed truth at John 3:16 which supports 1John 1:7. 4:9-11,14.

Hypocrite! I know you have to agree with GNT, NET Bible, CEV and also believe they studied Bible THOROUGHLY simply because they translated it the same way like your satanic NWT.

And I know if another verse pop up now, you can't use them as a yard stick for your truth and openly affirm them as people who STUDIED BIBLE THOROUGHLY.

God NEVER offered his blood to sit at the right hand of himself.
Hebrew9 :9,12.
Or you mean that God was crying out to himself: "My God, my God why have you forsaken me ?" Matt27:46.
Mr lying Pharisee, scriptures confirms scriptures.- John 3:16, 1st John4:9-11& 1:7 supported each other.
No wonder that pagan Roman army officer & his fellow soldiers get sense pass you wey dey form Christian! Matt 27:54.
Lol.

If not because you're silly and ignorance, you agree that Jesus is a God yet you can still be stupid enough to say God never offered his blood.

This shows that you people know exactly what you're fighting against in the Bible.

LordReed:
Ah its supernatural that's why there is no evidence of a global flood. This your god loves playing hide and seek so much.

The title of this thread is, what buried dinosaurs in mass grave?

And the opening message was "There are thousands of Dinosaurs "bone beds" scattered around the world —Bone beds are layers of ancient dried muds. How did the Dinosaurs & other ancient creatures end up in there?"

You haven't debunk that, yet claiming there's no evidence of global flood.

Yet claiming to be more intelligent than theist....

LordReed:
Why will you arrest children for wearing bloody clothes? Instead you'll first check if the blood is theirs or not, before investigating where it came from. This your example simply doesn't work.

Then you don't understand the example.

Janosky:
* Contemporary Engl version (CEV
"..it is the flock he bought with the blood of his own son" Acts 20:28

** NET Bible
" The church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own son" Acts 20:28

*** Good News Transl'n (GNT)
" Which he made his own through the blood of his son"

1 John 1:7. 4:10,14 proves why Acts20:28 must be rendered as it is in NWT.


" The blood of Jesus,his son,purifies us from sin" 1 John 1:7
** The Father has sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins" .
1 John 4:10,14.

** It is noteworthy that GNT , CEV and NET Bible were published by Trinitarian translators but refused and rejected the trinitarian idea implied by KJV.

This is how an hypocrite and bias minded person behave.

In defence of 1 Timothy 3:16 your point wasn't the list of others that translated it like KJV but the word GOD was dubiously inserted because it's not in the original manuscript.

Here you come, listing other versions having the same interpretation with the nwt, hypocrite!

I can give you different reasons why the word GOD was inserted in 1 Tim 3:16 and other translations other than KJV that have the word GOD in them.

But see how you keep exposing your fraudulent hypocritical attitude to the world.

Tell us why the word "SON" in Acts 20:28 which was not in the original manuscript was dubiously inserted by your organization?

Maximus69:
I'm not obliged to address your questions Sir, if you're not an offspring of the Pharisees why are you always after Witnesses with countless questions? Luke 11:53-54

If you're not obliged to address my question, why can't you just shut up your mouth and stay off of my mention?

If I'm offspring of Pharisees because I asked questions, same with you and your brothers. Only an hypocrite will accuse other of what they do best.

Before you divert our attention from the main point.

Why did NWT insert the word SON in Acts 20:28 which does not appear in the original manuscript? Is the question!

If you can't answer, then sway!

OpenYourEyes1:
Nice proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZmdHyar4i8


Credit: FOLYKAZE

FOLYKAZE the only open-minded atheist on Nairaland.

JohnnyOhJohn:
Again I'm begging for clear answers, not parables or idioms

That's the problem with you people...

If your neighbor killed and his clothes was soaked with blood, and your neighbor's children put on the cloth, will you arrest them or not?

This is to buttress the example you gave, nothing is parable or idiomatic here.

JohnnyOhJohn:
Let me make use of an example first;
Is it right to judge my neighbor's children for the sins of their father... No right?

Your example is faulty.

It should be this way,
If your neighbor has a cloth soaked with a blood of human and your neighbor's children keep putting on the cloth, will you arrest them?

Majority of you don't even know the meaning of Adam's fall and why we share in his sin.

So why are we judged for the sins of Adam and Eve

because they gave us the soak blood of cloth we put on

I think we all deserve a chance to stay in the garden of eden too... And anyone that eats from the tree of knowledge should pay for it alone

Yes! But only if our soak blood of cloth can be removed.

Which is either God destroyed all of us and create another set of people or we have privilege to remove our soak blood of cloth.

To be honest.. I still don't know why we were created in the first place,,, as in can't we just stay up there in Heaven and worship God

We were created to have dominion over the earth

And if it is true that God's creations are perfect, why wasn't Adam and Eve perfect?... Why did they fall for lucify that isn't perfect too... Why I'm I doubting the whole story if I'm perfect

Save for another time