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Maximus69:
If you don't understand Christianity, please it's not my fault!

You only need to humble yourself so that we teach you what Christianity truly means NOT the lawlessness you guys finds yourselves inside with nobody to help you out!

Now listen and learn!

The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are the small group of men JEHOVAH is using to direct his people today just like the Apostles in the first century.

They're not popular outside the congregation of God's people and even most JWs only know the names of two or three out of these eight men offhand!

Just like the first century Christians who can only remember the name of the Apostle they knew very well. 1Corinthians 1:12

So just as the Apostles aren't popular outside Christianity, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses aren't popular outside the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Go along the road and watch the portraits artists are displaying along the road, you'll notice faces of celebrities like footballers, politicians, musicians, actors, actresses and RELIGOUS TITLE CHIEFS! But you can never see the picture of any of our Governing Body members because outsiders can't recognize them!

So if any of them is walking along the road, they can only be noticed by observant members of Jehovah's Witnesses organization NOT everyone. That's what you're missing here Sir!

Maximus69:
There's nothing like public titled bearers in TRUE Christianity! Matthew 23:8

Peacefullove:
Why are you so insecure ? Just relax

Have you forgotten the below ?
" The Father is a person, the form/ Nature the Father exists is called GOD.

In man terminology there are different beings in the universe:

God....Being "

Compare the two underlined, you used it as meaning the same thing.

Note what OXFORD dictionary said when defining being
the nature or essence of a person. "

You definitely agree with that definition , Yes?

Have pointed it out as requested by you:

Then explain the below

° By virtue of humans having Gods very being/Nature, tell me does it mean they are equal to God?

° I recall correctly that Jesus have TWO natures, while the Father have only one , How then can someone say they are equal in nature ?

Peacefullove:
I only want to get you clearly so since Being and Nature you agree means the same thing. And that's the basis of equality.

Do u know some humans will partake of Gods VERY NATURE ?

I want to know if this means they are also equal to God ?

Maximus69:
@bolded Sir

You're wrong!

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that all what we're preaching and teaching people today is as a result of God's Holy Spirit speaking through adherents.
Though most people like you may like to argue this because JWs aren't spirits rather we're human with flesh and blood so there's no fleshly desires that can't be found if you're observing our members.

But Only Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully eradicate Politics and Racism in our midst!

Well Jesus said that's the sign that God's Holy Spirit is at work in our midst! John 13:34-35, 17:20-23, James 2:18-26

If you argue from today till tomorrow, Isaiah said only God's Holy Spirit can make that possible! Isaiah 2:1-4

So if you don't believe that the Holy Spirit is the one speaking through us, well sincere and honesthearted observers will testify to the WORKS of the Spirit that's commanding us so that we are able to do what no other group can do!

Maximus69:
Our organization has spoken!

Your folks say it's not so!

Please let the whole world SEE the Benefits{Matthew 5:14-16} of what you're teaching instead of arguing arguing arguing! James 2:18-26

Peacefullove:
Does Gods being refers to Gods nature ?

Maximus69:
When Peter declared that Jesus is the son of God, who did Jesus said spoke through Peter? Matthew 16:17

Sorry Mr Muhammadan it's God's Holy Spirit that spoke through Peter, that's why Satan also spoke immediately through the same Peter {Matthew 16:21-23}

BIBLESPEAKS:
A lot of different interpretations of the trinity these days....But let's go with the version you've presented - The father and son are not two separate beings. They are the same being but separate persons.

I don't still understand why the Bible will imply 2 beings when talking about the father and son by saying: "He (son) is the exact representation of his (father) very being."

according to modern dictionaries every human creature is a human being because he exists. Every person is a being because he exists. The word "being" simply means "to be in existence." Based on this I cannot see how the son and the father can be 2 persons but one being.

This is my major objection to Trinitarianism. It depends on a distinction between “person” and “being” that is not articulated in Scripture.

Also i believe that one of the biggest problems with the orthodox doctrine of Christ is that it is unintelligible and results in a person who is both A and non-A at the same time.

We are told that the incarnate Christ was/is both “fully God” and “fully man”. As one who is “fully God” he is said to be omniscient, all-powerful, and omnipresent, yet as one who is “fully man” he would have to be limited in knowledge, power, and location. To say that a person can have all of these attributes at the same time is not just to utter something unintelligible, it is to affirm that which would normally be considered impossible. The sentence “Jesus is all-knowing yet limited in knowledge” appears to have the same logical content as the sentence “Bob is a murderer who’s never killed anyone” or “Joe is a football player who’s never played football.”

Non-Trinitarians such as myself and others don’t necessarily reject the idea of believing in something that one might call “mysterious” but we have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible. Well, reason is part of the image of God that he stamped upon us to enable us to determine what is true and what is not true,

and I can’t imagine why we’d discard that attribute when asking the most important question of all: Who/what is God?

Maximus69:
All he needed from you now is to prove your claim from the pages of the Bible! NOT blaming others for your failure to explain yourself!

A book containing 1,189 Chapters and 31,200 verses shouldn't be that difficult for you to locate just one single verse to prove your claim!

Abdulgaffar22:
Here is another one for you;

For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all (1st Corinthians 15:27-28)


Who put everything under Christ ? Is it not God ?Then how could Christ be the same God that put everything under him ? Remember, the verse did NOT say; Father put everything under Christ.

Again, Jesus will be made subject to who? God of course. Then how can Jesus be the same God that he would later be made subject to ? Remember that God is one not two.

Abdulgaffar22:
This is my conclusion:

As you can see, there is no way we can reconcile John 1:1,14 (which teaches that Jesus is God ) with other verses of the Bible that dispute this claim.

Assist by quoting a reference



If it has been done many times, then quickly do copy and paste

Abdulgaffar22:
What is confusing you about those verses which prove that Jesus is not God ?

Which school of thought you've taken me through in the past ?

If you are very sure of your self, take your time to nullify all those evidence

Nnukwueze:
This protest is an afonja scheme so we have no part in it.

TruthinAction:
These days, so many people claims to be called of God and directed by the Holy Spirit but they are not. So the only way to confirm is if you either know the person one or one and you can testify from his lifestyle and teachings. But if you don't know the person, you may have to rely on the person's personal testimony which lines up with scripture. So, please tell me :

1. Are you born again?
2. What you understand by the term born again?
3. When did you get born again?
4. How did you get born again?
5. What changes can you say have taken place in your life since you got born again.
6. Have you received the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues?

OnPointMan:
mary was Joseph's girlfriend.

OnPointMan:
Please, can i have any biblical reference to the fact that having sex with your girlfriend is a sin.

Janosky:
Incurable Emusan Pharisee, John 1:1-3 says the world was made "THROUGH him" , which Hebrew 1:2 points out.
"Ho Theos (the God) made the world in Colossians 1:16 "THROUGH him ( Greek "dia autou"- a channel in the creative activities) justifies insertion of "other" you're just so brain dead and argue blindly.

Colossians 1verse 15 called Jesus "His son",Emusan did Jesus create the Father?
The truth dey pain you for brain.
You sacrificed your brain for a scam.

You dey use Fake 1Tim3:16,KJV to back a fraud.
Congratulobia!

***$$*** EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
"Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16)

"Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word “God” DOES NOT OCCUR."

Janosky:
The truth dey pain your brain.

Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god"
John1:1(Emphatic Diaglott). John1:1 (Coptic Sahidic Bible) Acts28:6 (Aramaic Bible)

$$$** 2) EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16) For by him . . . all things were created
by ( through ) him, and for ( to) him. —
Carrying out the idea of the preceding
clause with accumulated emphasis, St. Paul
speaks of all creation as having taken place
“by Him,” “through Him,” and “for Him.”
Now we note that in Romans 11:36 , St.
Paul, in a burst of adoration, declares of the
Father that “from Him, and through Him, and
to Him are all things;” and in Hebrews 2:10
the Father is spoken of as One “by whom
are all things, and for whom are all
things” (the word “for whom” being different
from the word so rendered here, but virtually
equivalent to it). Hence we observe that the
Apostle here takes up a phrase belonging
only to Godhead and usually applied to the
Father, and distinctly applies it to Christ, but
with the significant change of “from whom”
into “in whom.” The usual language of holy
Scripture as to the Father is “from whom,”
and as to the Son “through whom,” are all
things. Thus we have in Hebrews 1:2 ,
“through whom He made the world;” and in
John 1:3-10 , “All things were made”—“the
world was made”—“through Him.”


Idiotic Pharisee "ho theos (the God)" made the world "THROUGH" him (Jesus Christ). Hebrew 1:2. John 1:3.


**2) EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16) For by him . . . all things were created
by ( through ) him, .

** Emusan, you dey see am? "THROUGH him" is the proper, CORRECT rendition there.
The truth dey pain your Pharisee brain.

jcross19:
you are confused here by the teaching of Catholic , catholic teaching have caused confusion in the midst of christiandome from your right up there and you are still putting things out of order. no where Jesus ever called himself God but he was telling us how united him and God were, how God trusted him have you forgotten the voice that came out of heaven and confirmed him as only begotten son of God? now, is your son you?

Janosky:
Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god"

Idiotic, lying Pharisee Emusan,
Jesus says "My Father...is GREATER THAN ALL" , John10:29.

"6. Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not your heart be troubled: you believe in
God, believe also in me”. Remember Jesus
did NOT say: "you believe in Father, believe
also in me". He said : "you believe in God,
believe also in me”. Therefore, if Jesus is
God, why did he clearly distinguish himself
from God? "(Copied)

*** The statements of Jesus Christ himself ,(John 10:29. John14:1) perfectly justify Colossians 1 (NWT) "other" simply for emphasis.

Emusan ,Hypocrite show proof that your Bible has no insertion anywhere from Genesis to Revelation.

Janosky:
You dey use Fake 1Tim3:16,KJV to back a fraud.
Congratulobia !


***$$*** EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
"Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16)

"Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word “God” DOES NOT OCCUR.
We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy MSS. as follows:
* He who was manifested in the flesh*.
In the later MSS., and in the great majority of the fathers who cite the passage, we certainly find Theos (“God”), as in the Received text.....
Recent investigations have shown, however, beyond controversy that the oldest MSS., with scarcely an exception, contain the more difficult reading, ΘC (“He who”).""
SOURCE: biblehub.com

Your fake "God Almighty on earth" now lives in heaven where he has a Father and God greater than him.. Rev3:5,21.

John 10:29
"My Father who has given them
to Me is GREATER THAN ALL"

John 14:28
You heard Me say, 'I am going away, and I
am coming back to you.' If you loved Me,
you would rejoice that I am going to the
Father, because the Father is greater than I.

LIARS , lying Pharisees and unreceptive hearts glued to FALSEHOOD.

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Maximus69:
You don't get it so it's not your fault, but i'll explain!

When Paul said "remove the wicked from your midst" 1Corinthians 5:13
Everyone knows that Christians don't push people out of their gathering since the place of worship has been dedicated to God and so open for all!
But they must stop greeting or eating with someone who betrayed the vows he/she has made publicly!
So as Christians, whoever wants to denounce his/her faith only need to break the rules intentionally,maintain his/her arrogance and willful disobedience.
That's why Paul urged us to remove the person from our midst.
Note that we will not PUSH him/her out, rather it's the principles binding us together as BRETHREN that is no more there, so there's no need to GREET or EAT with him /her! 2John 10-11

Judas Iscariot fits in perfectly on this issue because he is one of the twelve, he supposed to be encouraging others to humble themselves for repentance. But since he thought too much of himself he couldn't bear the shame, so he took the easiest way out SUICIDE.
That's what most traitors will do!

Maximus69:
No Sir!

It's unrepentant wrongdoers who actually Disfellowshiped themselves from the fold!

Janosky:
**John 6:70
Jesus answered them, "Have I not chosen
you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"

**John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name,
the name You gave Me. Not one of them has
been lost, except the son of destruction, so
that the Scripture would be fulfilled.


*** # In John 6:70 & 17:12

Emusan, what's the message of Jesus statement when he said : " one of you (Judas Iscariot) is a devil!" ?

** Why did Jesus say Judas Iscariot "has been lost" , "son of destruction"?

Jesus and Devil dey feed from the same plate?

Maximus69:
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Keep working out your own destruction speedily!

Disfellowshiped Jehovah's Witnesses commits suicide!

Jesus is the greatest teacher ever in the history of humanity, Judas Iscariot was one of his closest confidants.

Please help all your followers differentiate between Jehovah's Witnesses and the first century Christians.

Because it's like some people recorded it inside the Bible that this close confidant of Jesus later COMMITTED SUICIDE! Matthew 27:3-5

Blow another bubble and see me poke it again!