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Barristter07:
A spirit being life isn't depended on Blood, they don't become human . they appear bodily

Your confusion knows no bound...

Who says a spirit being LIFE depends on BLOOD before

My point is, for a spirit being to MATERIALIZE it means THE SPIRIT BECOME FULLY HUMAN at that very moment, that's why they can do what normal human can do i.e eat, drink. These are functions ONLY known FULL EARTHLY being performed, if not applying the word MATERIALIZE to them is useless.

Okay listen



materialize - /məˈtɪərɪəlʌɪz/
verb
1. become actual fact; happen.
2. (of a ghost, spirit, or similar entity) appear in bodily form.

Appear NOT Become .

See how you're disgracing yourself with simple English...

bodily adjective
bodi·​ly | \ ˈbä-də-lē \
Definition of bodily (Entry 1 of 2)
: having a body : PHYSICAL 1 : of or relating to the body
// bodily comfort
// bodily organs 2

bodily adverb
Definition of bodily (Entry 2 of 2)
: in the flesh
: in a manner that involves physically moving someone's body

You neglected the BODILY PART but hold on to only APPEAR, whereas to appear simply signifies THE PRESENCE of that spirit.

Lastly, a spirit can't MATERIALIZE without having complete human body.

If they become humans , Angels of Noah's day won't have born giants or Nephilims, aren't they humans, They should have given birth to normal men like human?


Sense is above you.

So to you the Nephilims are NOT ACTUALLY HUMAN.

Well this is what your lying organization has to say "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

Who is lying between you and your organization?

Even from that article, your organization lies that the Nephilims were destroyed/wiped out during the global flood leaving no more Nephilim, whereas, in Number 13:31-33 Nephilims were saw in the land where the Israelites spy visited.

Below is the screenshot of the article....

Is it Materialized angels that gave birth to them too?


When I say you people lack scriptural knowledge, I have my reasons.

Where is your thinking faculty ? Did Thomas touch blood! ?

He said touch the WOUNDS . showing its a broken skin , deep cut.

Wound definition :


1. an injury to living tissue caused by a cut, blow, or other impact, typically one in which the skin is cut or broken.

Cut or broken indicates presence of blood in a human skin.

When a wound is dressed, blood doesn't come out?

Where in the scripture was stated that Thomas finally touched Christ?

Also, you're among the people Atheists see to abuse Christianity as people who don't use their brain.

Jesus has died for 3days, where have you seen a dead body even over ten hours not to talk of a whole 3days bleeding before

I must save this post...i said it awake and watchtower have blocked your brain.

"They would have become like Him to See." Read

Why this statement if they were ignorant like you to believe what they saw is what Jesus looked like?

Please, try to hide your face in shame!

How can you openly lie and twist scripture like this

Does that verse say "THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE HIM to see Him Oh my God!

You people don't have a single shame...how can you blatantly lie against scripture just to suit your selfish self?

I challenge you to show everyone here the scripture where is was written that "THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE HIM TO SEE"

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. NIV

Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory]. AMP

Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be.
We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. NWT

No doubt from these versions that it's until Christ appears that Children of God will see Him for who He is and be like Him.

Another false doctrine of your organization to be exposed from this verse is that the address is for ALL CHILDREN OF God...yet your organization claimed Christ has come in 1914. How many people see Him when Christ appears in 1914?

Idiot...diverting attention to another thing...
You agreed that Jesus posseses FLESH...After I burst your bubble about the Leviticus you've been shouting that THE LIFE OF FLESH IS IN THE blood...now you've to come out from baseless angle.

Everyone reading here can see how myopic you are.

Barristter07:
Lets enlighten you a bit. When the Bible speak of humans , the expression " Flesh and BLOOD " is used because an human body life can only be sustained by Blood.

Agreed.

Then If Jesus Materialized Body has no blood, He wasn't human

Then it means HE DIDN'T MATERIALIZE because to MATERIALIZED means to FULLY become HUMAN...

You can see how lost you are here...

Now let's visit the account at John again . When Jesus ask Thoman to touch his scars and wound. A human wound or scar , nail holes would be bleeding Blood , because of it's make up. Just as Jesus human body bleed blood when tortured by the Romans


But in this account, Do you see anything like Bleeding wounds ? What Thoman touched was Materialized body.

Olodo rabata...how can injury bleed for a whole 3 days, is that how you bleed when you sustain injury Is that what you were taught in school?

Years later, John who was present at the scene wrote.


1 Jn 3:2 " now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is."

Jesus Spirit form was never beheld by anyone of them, and that's what they look forward to.

He won't have said this if they are ignorant like you to conclude what appeared to them was what Jesus looked like .

A lost soul is talking about someone is ignorance.
This verse exposed many wrong doctrines of your lie organization:

Yet your lie organization said Jesus has appeared INVISIBLY in 1914 when the Bible says "When He shall APPEAR... we shall SEE HIM just as He is"

Hairyrapunzel:
Did Jesus Christ have flesh and bones after resurrection? Answer the question abi shame dey catch you?

He agreed with me that Jesus has FLESH but still in his delusion that it's not actually real Jesus.

This is the point I actually want and I've gotten it

"he was flesh at that moment he materialized"

My further reply is just to expose your ignorance the more...

Barristter07:
It's beyond your grasp ,

Matthew 15:17 is still there. if Christ is Human, after eating , What happen to the food ?

#Question tagged M1

Or beyond your stupidity.

Emphasis on " at that very moment "

That doesnt mean the Angel is actually human.

But the angel must ACTUALLY be a HUMAN within that time frame...

isn't it

@Red , Same applies to Jesus, he was flesh at that moment he materialized . that doesn't mean that's he is actually human

Now you agreed Jesus was a FLESH at that very moment and you've been shouting that the life of FLESH is in the BLOOD, shouldn't there be a BLOOD running in those MATERIALIZED bodies Confused idiot...

But Jesus told His disciples that "It is I myself" Why would Jesus lie when He knew He was not the actual Human To extend that He said, "touch me and see for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see me have"

Your knowledge is so low, why the prophecy if materializing can produce Blood for forgiveness of sins?[quote]Shallow knowledge, the Woman and the Devil are in the scene, so the prophecy is that as the Devil deceived the woman, an OFFSPRING of the woman will defeat the Devil, which need a product from the woman to fulfill.

You need Bible study, stop brainwashing yourself with awake and watchtower.

[quote]Leviticus 17:11 the Life of ANY FLESH is in the Blood .

A Materialized flesh, its life doesn't depend on blood ... It was a just a tangible appearance. The manifesting spirit doesn't need blood for survival like EARTHLY beings.

See how confuse you are:

1. the life of ANY FLESH is in the blood
2. Jesus and angels materialized IN FLESH...
3. Yet there own FLESH doesn't need blood to function...then it's obvious they can't be alive since there's no BLOOD that holds LIFE


The irony of it all is that, you don't believe a spirit reside inside the flesh, how come this their FLESH can now function without blood?

Finally, you shot yourself in the leg by claiming "The manifesting spirit doesn't need blood for survival like EARTHLY beings."

I've proven it to you that to MATERIALIZED means to become human at that very moment which means their flesh must operate and become fully EARTHLY BEING, that's why they can eat like human does.

So, for them to operate under this earthly new material, it means their spirit was COVER with the earthly flesh.

This is what you're trying to subscribe to but unfortunately you don't believe in spirit dwelling in human flesh...

Dead point, after saying this he went ahead to EAT ... If he was human, would he visit the toilet or not ?

Further reference to the angel saying he was a Man to Manoah

But you just agreed that he was FLESH at that very moment, isn't FLESH conote that He was fully human

Will those angel also visit the toilet

You think you're discussing with your hall people.

I though you said SAME BODY he died In ? Why transformation again confused human being

Jesus said not me...He even challenge them to come and touch, it's JWs that denied that fact.

Blood is LIFE of an human , a materialized person isn't human and needs no blood to survive .

Liar then materialized didn't take place if they aren't FULLY human (EARTHLY BEING).

But how come can they eat and drink if they weren't human

You keep dipping yourself into more wahala...

Barristter07:

Those activities proved he was mortal . sucking his mothers BREAST was for survival, Just as pooing.

To say he still poo after his resurrection is to declare him a Mortal who still needs to defecate in other to SURVIVE .

So those Angels and Jehovah are also mortal that need to defecate in other to survive during that period.

Barristter07:
You still scared of answering, its a vital question : Matthew 15:17 - If Jesus is a man, after eating , do you accept he would visit the Toilet ?

U don enter am

Scare on a senseless question...

Human has Flesh, Bone and BLOOD. Olodo

For Jesus to declare the above proved the body was materialized. A materialized body doesn't Have Blood. Blood serves the purpose of life to any FLESH . - Lev 17:11

A materialized body doesn't need blood to survive, it lacks that life giving substance.

But a MATERIALISED body means it becomes HUMAN Being, how will it survive if there's no blood there for short time spent?

The issue is not if Manoah knows or not, since we are dealing with someone TELLING or ANSWERING something based on what others SEE

The Angel was seen as HUMAN BEING not knowing he's a spirit being and the Angel didn't bother to correct their view since that's not the subject matter

Unlike the case of Jesus who died and suddenly appeared to His disciples and with human knowledge a dead person can only be seen as a spirit Jesus has to correct their perception that HE'S NOT WHOM THEY THINK HE WAS as a spirit but the same person who has been with them for a very long time.

The verse is very self explanatory but only a lying JWs will twist.

An angel SAID He was a Man , why?

Was the question is whether he is a man or a spirit?

Again, is the angel not a man at that very moment if he materialised idiot...

O ma se o.

English is your problem . to appear VISIBLE Is to be MATERIAL. You yourself said they are invisible until they appear Material, for what purpose ? To be visible

@Red , appear

I can see how you omitted the part "BODILY FORM"

For something to MATERIALISED it means it has materials properties not just like an image display on wall. If angel materialised as human it means he possessed everything that makes human.

In fact this is the reason your organization believe there some falling angels who materialised/become human and slept with daughters of men in Genesis before the flood.


Can you see your life when you're holding unto a confuse doctrines...your reasoning becomes shamble..

if materialising makes those angels BECOME human, Christ won't need to be born from a woman. Does that help you ?

Yet you believe some Angels became human and slept with daughters of men in pre-flood....olodo

Also, Christ must be born of a woman because it's a prophecy and if angel can materialised, why can't Jesus become human without being born

and that's the same body he died in ? U must be sleeping when you typed that


Mr , The Body he died in Has Blood flowing in it . How come this FLESH doesn't have Blood if it wasn't a Materialized one ? - Lev 17:11

Tell Jesus that He's sleeping when he said..."IT IS I MYSELF...touch me and see for spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see me have"

A transformed body will function without blood, that's why Apostle Paul said...not all will die but be transformed...

How can the materialised body has flesh and bones and doesn't have BLOOD?

Barristter07:
am still waiting for you to muster up courage and face the question: If Jesus was human , when he ATE In front of the disciples, Do you accept he would visit the Toilet ? Matthew 15:17

Thrash....

That's what they SEE man. Doesn't mean THATS who he is .

If not because the spirit of your father devil is inside you, you wouldn't have spew this nonsense.

Is it what they see or what Jesus corrected them for

The statement of Jesus Christ is that, you think I'm a spirit but see spirit doesn't have FLESH AND BONES on lunch human has that.

An angel appeared to Manoah and his wife at Judges 13:11 . the discussion went thus

" Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, "Are you the man who talked to my wife?" "I am," he said. "

he said " I AM " , He is a Man in the actual sense ?

Then when he ate what they offer him as a man, which toilet did he go? Mr confusion...Manoah

When you lack wisdom and knowledge ability to decipher scripture...did Manoah know he was an angel before address him as a man?

U see your life. To materialize is not to BECOME . but to appear VISIBLE .

Dictionary's are there to help you

I wanted to insert dictionary meaning before but I said let me wait to see what you'll say and finally you didn't disappoint only to show your delusions the more.

BRITISH DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS FOR
MATERIALISE
materialize materialise
verb
Derived Forms
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper 
to come into perceptible existence; appear; become actual or real; be realized or carried out:
Our plans never materialized. 1
to assume material or bodily form; become corporeal:
The ghost materialized before Hamlet. 2
to give material form to; realize:
to materialize an ambition. 3
to invest with material attributes:
to materialize abstract ideas with metaphors. 4
to make physically perceptible; cause (a spirit or the like) to appear in bodily form. 5
to render materialistic . 6
(intr) to become fact; actually happen:
our hopes never materialized 1
to invest or become invested with a physical shape or form 2
to cause (a spirit, as of a dead person) to appear in material form or (of a spirit) to appear in such form 3
(intr) to take shape; become tangible:
after hours of discussion, the project finally began to materialize 4
physics to form (material particles) from energy, as in pair production"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialise

Let me tutor you how the word MATERIALIZE was derived: Every physical things in our universe is said to be MATERIAL....why spirit and invisible things never classify as MATERIAL...So for a spirit or an invisible things to be classify as MATERIALIZE it means, it BECOMES/TOOK ON material properties.

Go and educate yourself Mr man before you come online.

Flesh and Blood cannot inherit Gods kingdom.

E get Blood like the one he died in ?

But you didn't read it in your Bible where Apostle Paul said, not everyone will die but will be TRANSFORMED.

Besides, Jesus statement read FLESH AND BONES not flesh and blood...


You need scriptural tutor not online debate

Barristter07:
You are only making noise. And it won't get you anywhere, The Issue here is that FORM they saw . Is it Materialized or Not ?

The answer to your question was well addressed by Christ Himself..."Spirit does not have flesh and bones as YOU SEE ME HAVE"

The angels that appeared to Abraham Materialized, so the idea of a toilet is INVALID

Imagine, using the word MATERIALIZED to deceive your fellow...

Do they become human and still remain angel or only become fully human?

I know you won't find it easy to answer because you don't believe spirit lives inside the body

so you can't eat your cake and have it as well.

Did Jesus Materialize too ? If Yes, Good

If No, Do you accept he would visit the toilet ?



" Don't you know that whatever goes into the mouth goes into the stomach and then into a toilet? " Matthew 15:17

Jesus didn't appear in human form but resurrected with the same human body He died with...that's what He clarified to His disciples who mistook Him for a SPIRIT the statement of Jesus denying being a spirit is visible to blind and open to open-minded person.

Barristter07:
Likewise Christ correct the apostles perception that they are seeing a spirit,

CORRECTED something they already have the notion of

Olodo....

whereas They should See he his in Human form. Emphasis on " What they saw " . Is not a spirit but mankind form .

Say that to your GB and your fellow JWs to swallow...
In human FORM yet says "IT IS I MYSELF" and even said SPIRIT DOESN'T HAVE FLESH AND BONE as you see me have.

Like I said earlier, only a dishonest person and someone with devil heart will read such statement from Christ and give it opposite meaning.

Let's now confirm if that Form is materialized or not

The form Jesus came with can be seen from Christ statement Himself, "IT IS I MYSELF" and "SPIRIT doesn't have flesh and bones as YOU see ME HAVE"

Matthew 15:17 is still there for you to ponder on

If an human ate according to Jesus, would he visit the Toilet or not ?

Let's ponder on it together....
When Jehovah visited father Abraham and ate with him, which toilet did Jehovah use, that of Russell or the one in your house

That's the question.

Janosky:
lying Pharisee wey no know him Bible (if he has one).

See this deluded person accusing me of not knowing my Bible

Mary Magdalene saw Jesus impaled with cuts,nail marks on his body.(John19:25. Matt12:39,40)
She was @the tomb sobbing and saw two angels (one of them is the resurrected Jesus - John 20:11-14).

Had it been you know your Bible more than watchtower or Awake, you wouldn't have committed this blunder.

Two Angels were INSIDE the sepulchre which Mary spoke with and after spoken with them she TURNED before Jesus appeared to her but because watchtower lie has blindfolded your mind to believe that the Rising Lord is an Angel, you have to bring that here in other to disgrace yourself.

After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. John 20:14 NWT

She was the first person who the resurrected Jesus first appeared to (john20:14-16) and spoke with .
v14:
"she turned around and saw Jesus standing there but she did not know that it was Jesus"

** Questions for you

Mr man ,why did Mary Magdalene not know Jesus voice / his materialized body?

John20:14,19,26 did Mary Magdalene and Jesus apostles see the same body of the resurrected Jesus?

Until you prove further that you know your Bible more than watchtower and awake should you engage me.

Hairyrapunzel:
So you teach that Jesus Christ entered another humans body after resurrection? Lol

That's the lie they were taught in their hall

NOTE: Not just BODY but BODIES meaning Jesus used more than one body to appear to His disciples...

Barristter07:
I hope you will be able to defend this thing you started.

Just as you're unable to defend anything you post...

Going by the Bold, when some angels appear to Abraham , The scripture address them as " MEN " Why would the scripture address them as MEn, when they are not men ? Did Scripture Lied ?

Start showing your wack interpretation again, the account of Abraham is a narration and FIRST PERCEPTION of Abraham based on what he saw, why didn't Abraham address them as MEN when he finally knew the kind of person they were?

This is different from Jesus who openly corrected the wrong notion of His disciples seeing Him as SPIRIT like how you see Him today?

Or I can also ask you, why did Apostle Paul still address Jesus as MAN? Was he lying?

Concerning that account from where you quote the statement , it continues :

" He said to them : ' Do you have something there to EAT ?' So they handed him a piece of broiled fish , and he took it and ATE before their eyes ' " - Luke 24:41-43

If the scenario above is not Materializing, here is what will occur in Jesus own words

" Are you not aware that whatever ENTERS INTO the Mouth passes through the stomach and is discharged into the sewers " - Matthew 15:17

Since Jesus ate, Are you agreeing he will go to the TOILET ?

SMH....not only toilet...he will also poo in your mouth so that it can reset your brain...

When Jehovah visited Abraham, is it Charles Russell's Toilet that He used or your house toilet

Thinking a self acclaimed intelligent person can spew this thrash is one of the seven wonders of the JWs.

Did Jesus not clarify He was not A SPIRIT in that verse That was the quotation!

Attacking straw man as usual.

Maximus69:
I will only teach you this once because i paid for this knowledge and wisdom by putting off the pride in me!
Angels are spirits,this mens they are higher form of life,they can travel even faster than light,because they're able to suppress weight and manage space. An angel can manage to became as little as a spec of sand, can also become as huge as a planet, can appear and disappear at will. All these is impossible for man because our whole being is locked up in just one structure which is the visible body everyone knows with us. So if an angel wants to appear to you he can come up with any form to suit his purpose,that is why the snake in Eden and Ballam's donkey could speak it is the handiwork of spirit beings.
So MATERIALISED BODY is whatever form they design to become visible for your eyes to SEE and be aware of their presence Sir! JWs taught me but if you disagree please teach me better understanding. God bless you!

You keep exposing your fraudulent doctrines thinking you're making sense...

Now if Angel can become as little as a spec of sand and huge as planet, will you say he is just an Angel only or just sand/planet only

OR

He is both sand/planet and Angel?

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir,everybody can read the Bible as it's written in different languages that's available but there is one thing that makes it difficult for many to grasp. Jesus sent his followers out to PREACH and TEACH the word! Here is where the comer lies, that means there are those given the SPIRIT of interpretation and if you're not taught by these ones you can never become an equipped teacher of the word!
There are different religious groups teaching so many various ideas about Jesus{the main character to focus of the whole scriptures} some even taught people with supporting videos that Jesus was GAY,some claims he was having an affair with Mary Magdalene and so many nonsense and ingredients! If you travel outside Africa you'll hear so many things from these same white people who brought this book here,as they read and give different interpretations of it.
So wake up from this your 'villageman' African mentality to ascertain those whom Jesus is using as his present day disciples!
What you're saying was taught by some religious leaders and it has stuck in the brains of billions,the same thing is applicable to what i am saying, so if you're convinced that what you have is the TRUTH then go out there and teach your neighbours instead of coming on social media to argue with anger!

Stylishly dodging my questions and attacking a straw man...

How does what you posted answer my questions or address those points I raised?

Imagine, I should leave social media whereas you spend more than half of your day on social media defending lies.

Maximus69:
If only you know what wonders spirit beings can do to suit any purpose of theirs! When Elijah had encounter with God,he[God] appeared in different forms and at last the Bible said God wasn't even in any of those things Elijah saw! 1King 19:11,12 Surely it is angels that God sent to do all of that[ Exodus 13:21 compare to 14:19]yet Elijah is hearing the voice of God!
So when you hear SPIRIT know that they can arrange anything as in ANYTHING to prove a point yet they only used such means purposefully because it's within their capability! Jesus is alive as a spirit being once again not as flesh but Thomas who has suffered all the humiliation and abuses for being with the Christ needed to be convinced so that he too could be bold enough to teach others about the resurrected Jesus!
So Jesus would do everything possible to strengthen his friend!
Regarding the resurrection of Jesus and his born again brothers Paul said 'they died and were buried in the flesh but resurrected in spirit form'! 1Corinthians 15:44-47
Jehovah's Witnesses,thank you ooooo!

Just imagine, now for you to defend your lies, you have to attribute the power of God to Angel...yet you people will say God isn't omnipotent...now you are here claiming a Spirit can do ANYTHING.

Liars everywhere....yet when Jesus appeared to them the Bible recorded it that the disciples THOUGHT they have seen SPIRIT but how did Jesus convince them that what they saw isn't actually SPIRIT? The Bible also provided answer when Jesus said.. "But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit. So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.” Luke 24:37-39 NWT

It's only a liar and dishonest person that will read such from the scripture and concluded that Jesus lied to his disciples and deceived them.

Anyway, you people are trained to defend your organization not seeking the truth...nevertheless we'll be hitting you people with the truth of the scripture until Jesus comes.

TATIME:
So even when Jesus said "fear those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul,rather fear him who can destroy both BODY and SOUL in Gehenna" Emusan couldn't grasp that the body differs from the real personality [SOUL]

Had it been you have shame, you and your brother would have hidden your faces some where...because you couldn't see the gravity of his own statement as it exposes your evil doctrines.

He said when someone's PERSONALITY is gone it means the person is insane...now you claimed SOUL is the REAL PERSONALITY of person

NOTICE the word "GONE"

Only to went ahead to quote scripture where Jesus said "fear the one who has power to destroy both body and soul (real personality) in hell"

It means doctors who can inject people to go mad can actually kill the SOUL whereas Jesus lies to have said no one can kill the soul.

Again, your twisted tongue forgotten that you have said it on this same forum that Jesus statement means Body and soul are the same thing...just to prove that nothing survives after death.

Also, you called SOUL the REAL PERSONALITY which is actually different from Body...what is the different between PERSONALITY and PERSON

You can see how you finally agree with people who say, human soul is the REAL PERSON that just lives in the BODY...but because you must defend watchtower you can continue to twist scripture as you like.

Maximus69:
Humility will help you a lot Sir!

Has it helped you?

According to JWs the body of a person is NOT the personality.

According to JWs not what you know, can you see where your problem lies?

Also, Is personality a being or what Why can't you answer simple question

How do i mean? Of course if a person is sane you will be able to relate perfectly with him/her but if he/she lost sanity, then the whole body is empty because the PERSONALITY is gone!

Where does this PERSONALITY go to?

The same thing happens at death, the dead body of a billionaire and that of a pauper means the same thing when laid nakedly on the floor.

Off point....

Neither Michael nor Gabriel can you recognise[ Luke 1:19] because they only appear to people in materialised bodies but the personalities differs. Daniel 10 :12,13 & Jude 9[/qupte]

Off point....

This PERSONALITY you're talking about, is it their spirit or a being...because everyone knows the meaning of PERSONALITY.

*Your personality is different from mine...this is about behavior or character
*Human personality makes them different from animals....this is about nature

*Gabriel and Michael have different personalities....this is about behavior or character
*Gabriel and Michael are of the same personality...this is about their Nature.

[quote]So at death Jesus' body is gone as the SACRIFICE for sin but his personality as an intelligent spirit being remains,

See how dubious you are, now you include INTELLIGENT SPIRIT when you're just hammering on the word PERSONALITY since...

So is this Jesus' personality a spirit of him or just behavior or character of him?

At least you cited example of personality in mad person

one can deduce from your post that you're stylishly saying something actually survived in human after death but because of the lies of JWs that nothing survives you resorted to twisting.

therefore he can materialise or dematerialise to suit any purpose he wishes! This is easy and simple,even Satan and his demons knows all of these facts and they can't deny it so stop arguing over nothing Sir!

Was it his personality that does it or his spirit?

Also, you said something about THE SAME BODY which you've kept under the carpet now...What is the same BODY of Jesus Christ that you're talking about?

BOOOMNAIJA:
WHY CAN'T OUR SENATE BUILDING JUST COLLAPSE LIKE THIS WHILE ALL THE SENATORS ARE PRESENT.....WHY MUST THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN TO INNOCENT PEOPLE.....

because senate and Aso villa were built to conform with British Building Standard...why you and some Nigerians can't build according to British Building Standard

Maximus69:
So between the body and the personality which is the REAL person?

Does personality a being?

Jesus saying 'That is i myself' means it is the same body or the same personality/intellectual Sir?

The truth always prevails @colored...see how you short yourself in the leg...please which SAME BODY are you referring to here?

Is personality/intellectual a being on its own?

So Jesus never lied,any angel can come with different materialised body yet the being is the same person! Gabriel is an angel different from Michael yet you can't identify them unless they mention the NAME to make you know the one appearing to you in the materialised body! JWs na Baba abeg!

So if Angels appeared in human form, was their spirit-being inside the human body or they completely become a human being and change back to Angel again?

TATIME:
Just tell him to go preach and teach people what he knows after all he thinks he knows how to defend it!

And to think only JWs are the one going out to preach is the most dishonest statement of all.

You expect me to be shouting up and down like JWs before you'll know I preach out to people...

Lastly, the whole essence of your going out to preach is to proof to people how learn you are...smh

Maximus69:
You're on point Sir,that means if Jesus later appear to anyone after the sacrifice,then the body they're seeing is NO MORE the same that was nailed to the stake because that is the Sacrifice that takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29
Ransom~that which is paid to free someone from slavery or execution.
Sacrifice~ animal killed or material given to pacify the one to whom we're indebted!
Hence JWs concludes that Jesus death is tantamount to a RANSOM SACRIFICE paid to redeem mankind!

What happened to the bodies Jesus was using to appear

No wonder you people can comfortably twist the statement of Jesus Christ in Luke when we read

"But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. NIV

"But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit.
So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have." NWT

Why would Jesus say, it is I MYSELF when He knew the body He appeared with not actually the original one?

Again, this statement will make Jesus a liar, if he can confidently tell his disciples "THAT IS I MYSELF" when he is not.

It is evident that you're not a truth finder rather you're just an advocate of JWs who has been trained to defend the organization.

Maximus69:
First of all neither the JWs nor the other old Pastor owns me but Jesus, so my assignment is to listen attentively to both side who are claiming they belong to my master Jesus yet contradicting one another.

This is where your problem lies, you're not to listen to any parties but only the WORD OF GOD first then you can discern the truth for yourself.

Jesus is the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE nobody can get God's everlasting blessings except through Jesus.

You can see the essence of what I said above, the Bible says "Jesus is the WAY, the Truth and The Life; no ones GET to the Father except through Him"

But since your organization has raised you as a soldier to defend them not THE WORD OF GOD, you can boldly rewriting the scripture just to suite yourself.

But when there is contradictions,then i must calmly examine both sides without being biased.

You're not biased yet what you're doing all over NL is defending JWs, is that unbiased to you?

Secondly what i've seen and experienced on NL has strengthened my former wavering trust in JWs organization, so it's not you that will tell me what to do Sir,already i've just concluded that i'm one of the JWs!

Then why do you want to force everyone to come to same view of yours?

People joined Nairaland and have their view change or strengthen, why are you shouting up and down.

My advice for you is to go and tell your Pastor to help you muster up courage to go out and face REAL JWs unlike his fabricated cartoons that has nothing to do with reality! I have spoken with JWs and you are a deeperlife member.

What of those real JWs we faced and ran away

In fact I remember asking an elderly JWs.

"If Holy Spirit is a force, how can He hear and speak according to the scripture?"

Funny enough the man doesn't even know such statement was in the Bible...talkless of providing answer to it.

Certainly if i join Deeperlife i'll just be posting cartoons like you're doing right now, i'll not be able to defend my faith with efficacy from the scriptures! Now i can testify to where sincerity, honesty, boldness and competence could be found!

So you mean, it's only cartoon you see the OP post always?
What a dishonest statement...

Maximus69:
Hmmm, From Janosky's post i can discern that Jesus purposely brought a body that would convince (DOUBTFUL) Thomas that he has been resurrected!

So Jesus PURPOSELY DECEIVED Thomas and other disciples by bringing FAKE BODY to show them....

Actually, Satan is a very deceptive being...

Another thing, if Jesus actually appeared to his disciples with different bodies...then it means Jesus sacrificed His body more than once.

If angels appeared to Abraham,Jacob and Lot. If those angels ate PHYSICAL food before them and they can touch those angels, surely any other angel can equally materialise or dematerialize for a purpose!

Are you saying Jesus turned back to Angel after He was resurrected?

So Jesus never brought in those wounds to prove before all his disciples that he has been resurrected but to help only one person,and that is Thomas who said 'unless i stick my finger into those nail wounds,i won't believe' John 20:25

So why will Jesus brought back a body if the body doesn't belong to him anymore?

You can see the lie of your organization being exposed here...yet you people will say "you can't get whatever you've sacrificed back" but to support your devilish doctrine you have to agree that Jesus can get the same body back to deceive Thomas.

God will have mercy on you people....

What is integrity?

Integrity is when PRESIDENT Buhari went to Kano to endorse the corrupted Ganduje and people of no integrity voted against Ganduje because of corruption.

Don't ask me how I know, ask any APC supporters....

Integrity is when PRESIDENT Buhari went Kano to endorsed corrupted Gov Ganduje and the same Kano people rejected Ganduje because of corruption....

Don't ask me how I know, ask APC supporters...

What's with air crash and the month of March

jesusjnr:
Does this your view also apply to nairaland?

So you that joined NL less than a year thought Atheism is increasing....laughing at you...

If NL Atheist is increasing you will see majority of oldest Atheists here but as it is now, you'll hardly see one and those who still available have their view change.

Rilwayne001:
You're veering off the main argument now. Like I said earlier, age is not specified as regards marriage in islam, what the Sharia state is whenever the parties are physically, financially and emotionally ready for it. Since age is not specified, we can then from our societal norms and cultures develop our own age of physically and emotionally fit for marriage.

Thsi^ is not too hard to comprehend I suppose.

Whether age is specified isn't an issue the issue is as Theist who believes morality is objective.

Do you think a sovereign God will command a man of 54years to marry a girl of 9 years in any culture or any age?

Muhammad could have solved this issue for Muslims if it comes under human error like the case of Lot in the Bible but unfortunately he claimed Allah is the very One that endorsed the marriage.

As a level 5 Google Local Guide I was officially invited for a seminar in US....

Janosky:
1 cor 15:20 ,44.
Christ has been raised up from the dead.. It is sown a physical body (Christ died in the flesh) but raised up a spiritual body (risen with a spirit body)
Jesus was raised a spiritual body

"Made alive in the spirit, na fleshly body be that?
Pharisees carm.org had to lie that the flesh is imperishable body.
Spiritual fraudsters dey form Christian.
Pls explain Heb10:10. Eph5:2& John 6:51

As usual, following the foot step of your organization hiding the truth with (...) Whereas, both 1 Corinthian 15:20&44 talk about different issues.

Now, if 1 Corin 15:44 is a model for resurrection that will be experienced by man, are you saying they will have SPIRITUAL BODY like that of allergy Christ spirit body?

Bizibi:
even here in wuse 2,everyone voted for atiku.....people in abj are not happy with buhari at all.

I don't think APC will win a single PU in FCT
Bwari Area Council is cleared for PDP reporting live from Kubwa

Donmedra:
What did buhari do to fct people?

We know much than what the rest of Nigerians didn't know. If APC get up to 20% in FCT Abuja they should be happy.