₦airaland Forum

Now you've left the main issue and start to derail the thread...

Maximus69:
You need to know how Judaism started before talking about whether they were led by God's spirit or not!
The Temple was rebuilt by Jewish returnees from Babylon so God's holy spirit supported the arrangement and dwelt in the temple's most holy until the messiah was rejected and executed.

So during the time the Holy Spirit was in the temple before Christ was rejected, who is interpreting their SACRED BOOK

But the religious setting of the Pharisees and Sadducees was hypocritical, therefore God sent John the baptist ahead of Jesus TO ALERT THE PEOPLE THAT THE MESSIAH IS HERE AND TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THOSE RELIGIOUS LEADER HAVE MISLED THEM, John called them brood of vipers[children of the serpent* Satan]! Matthew 3:7
So how do you think such a devilish group could get the support of God"s holy spirit to INTERPRET what God has promised that ONLY those empowered by the spirit could interpret? Daniel 12:8-10

If "God has promised that ONLY those empowered by the spirit could interpret? Daniel 12:8-10" Does it mean no body was with Holy Spirit or righteous during that time when "God's holy spirit supported the arrangement and dwelt in the temple's most holy until the messiah was rejected and executed"

For your information what those Pharisees taught the people is what they are still holding on till today,that is why the Jews have rejected Jesus as the Messiah till now!

This does not address my point...

Was there an interpretation of their SACRED BOOK at certain period with the help of Holy Spirit?

If yes! Then was the interpretation going to change since Holy Spirit wasn't with them?

If no! proof it!

Maximus69:
Hmmm the TRUTH could be soooo bitter,but let's consider some points on the issue.

Ok

First of all if his cousin is a Christian, of what denomination is he? You mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses, definitely you're opposed to some religious groups claiming Christians and that's a sign that you don't accept them as Christians!

Christian is follower of Jesus Christ...

Rather it's JWs that believe they're the only Christian on earth today...

Have you now agreed that all denominations belongs to Christ or just anyone that is PERFORMING miracles?

Who ever is named with the name of Christ should depart from iniquity...who am I to say a body that claimed the name of Christ doesn't belong to Christ?

Paul's case was sighted. cited. Yes! he is a Jew,he knew all what is in the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi, he is an ardent student of the law,he was zealous for God's law and he is killing those whom he believed should be killed ACCORDING TO THE LAW! Deuteronomy 13:6-18

Was it only Saul who knows all this?

So why did Jesus call him? Well Paul himself did not leave us in darkness! Galatians 1:13,14
He wasn't sent to the Jews but other nations. Why?
Because Jesus already had his Apostles and many other disciples in Jerusalem, thus Paul's endeavour to persuade the Jews failed! Act 13:46
Of course Jesus did not intend Paul witnessing to Jews amongst whom Jesus himself performed many signs and they did not believe him, it makes no sense sending Paul to go and face the same people telling them how he met Jesus so Jesus sent him to the Gentiles! Romans 11:13

So who are the Apostles that was in the nation the Jihadist is living...

Muslims also claimed to have received several revelations in recent times about how Allah is giving signs that Islam is the way to heaven,so of what REAL significance is the former jihadist's case?

So is Allah and the person that reveal Himself to the Jidadist the same?

After the death of Jesus,Christianity was establish and God gave a sign to show that he has nothing to do with Judaists again! Matthew 27:51
Whoever still practices Judaism can never have any spiritual backing from the true God again unless such a person abandon Judaism for Christ.

So what happened when God was still with them?

That is why TRUE Christians shouldn't turn to Judaists for the interpretation of God's word again,

Wasn't their interpretation before Christ backing by God and true?

Was the interpretation going to change simply because Christ has now come?

since God's holy spirit has left them! So your take on the meaning of 'sons of God' can't be taken as you're insinuating that Judaists could get better understanding of what is sacred.

So can you give us the interpretation of their sons of God when Holy Spirit was still with them?

Or the interpretation Holy Spirit gave them will now different from what we have now simply because Holy Spirit wasn't with them?

We can only turn to Jews for facts of events that happened on their soil but when it comes to the INTERPRETATIONS of the sacred book, we shouldn't forget that God's holy spirit has left Judaism since Jesus' last breath as a human!

Was there no interpretation of the sacred book by them when the Holy Spirit was still with them?

Will the interpretation change simply because Holy Spirit isn't with them anymore??

God bless you Sir!

Amen, and you too...

TATIME:
He must have seen a spirit for sure,but did he truly saw Jesus? Well a thorough reading,studying and meditation on what the scripture says will answer that!
The last time Jesus called a none believer was during Paul's case,he knew the scriptures very well,he was a lawyer and defender of God's law,he was acting according to the law,he was zealous for the word of God. But what he knew has been indoctrinated by the Pharisees[the religious leaders in Judaism]
So Jesus called Paul DIRECTLY to divert his Love and zeal for the TRUTH,but first he must learn from the Christians what to do. The jihadist in question has conscience but we need not misconstrued that with FAITH because Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for,the evident demonstration of realities not seen! Hebrew 11:1
Will Jesus go contrary to His own words by REVEALING Himself after the last REVELATION?
What is the purpose of appearing to the jihadist whose people knew nothing about Christ?
Is he expected to convince those radicals with the testimony of such encounter?
Paul was sent to the nations,NOT Israelites. So what is this jihadist doing in the midst of those who knew nothing about the scriptures?
Muslims also claims to have received so many revelations from Allah telling them Islam is the way. So is Jesus doing this to challenge Allah?
Well, true believers will ask lots of questions based on what the knew before because they don't want to be easily carried away by a touching story that could have been fabricated by the devil.
Good morning!

Oma seee oooo all this just because it's not a Jehovah witness that got him converted but had it been it was Jws it would've been true to you...

Did you read this part from the story?

"When his wife Rashid became seriously ill, Bashir did the unthinkable and allowed a Christian cousin living in Canada to have his prayer group pray for her over the phone.

In a few days, his wife recovered and Bashir asked his cousin to introduce him to someone who could tell him more about Christ.

After several conversations with a missionary Bashir was close to renouncing Islam to follow Jesus.
Bashir says the welcoming attitude of churches and the generous prayers of Christianity drew him to the faith. And, he says, reading the Bible brings him more peace than the Koran."

Lol...the last time Jesus called unbeliever was during Saul case!

Now you agreed a Judaism person an enemy of Christian Saul KNEW SCRIPTURES VERY WELL AND A LOVER OF GOD...

TATIME:
Emusan has no shame nah,so you don't know! He is ready to pally with anybody just to say NO to JWs! And by the end of the day he will say JWs don't know anything.
Now see him quoting the book of Judiast just to criticize JWs. If not because you have been studying with JWs and a so called pastor starts quoting books other than the Bible,what will you say about such a pastor? But not only that o,He is proudly quoting from those who hate Jesus with passion and ever ready to debunk everything about Jesus!
Well that's the evidence of holy ghost in the life and ministry of his holiness Pastor Emusan!

Maximus69:
Hmmm so let's accept the explanation or interpretation of Judaists whose ancestors killed Jesus and are still claiming that he is just an impostor!
The Jehovah's Witnesses have concentrated on ONLY the Bible to interpret what is in the Bible but Pastor Emusan suggested we should accept the interpretation of Judaists who won't have anything to do with the Christian Greek Scriptures[New Testament]. Judaism only accepted Genesis to Malachi! Pastor Emusan prefer their interpretation because they claimed that the sons of Seth[sinful human] are better called sons of God than angels who are spirits in the real likeness of God! John 4:24
You're blessed Pastor Emusan,more grease to your elbow Oluwa a so agbara dotun Sir!

I wanted to ignore you people at first but I realized sometimes you don't need to ignore fool so that he won't think he's wise.

You people neglected the main point I raised but started attacking strawman...well I'm ready for you.

Now that you accuse me of quoting Judaism that doesn't believe in Jesus nor Greek book.

What will you people say about your organization that not only misquoting an authors but went ahead to quote Atheists or Bible mockers/trashers?

In a book published by watchtower titled Should you believe in Trinity?

*More than four authors were cited that are Bible trashers or mockers

These are their names:
1. Bulletin of The John Rylands Library...The author is a Bible trasher who rejected The Messianic of Jesus Christ.

2. E. Washburn Hopkins: Origin and Evolution of Religion....Hopkins is a Christianity trasher who believes that the life, temptation, miracles, parables of Jesus Christ were derived from Buddhism

3. Siegfried Morenz: Egyptian Religion...Morenz claimed that some terms in the Bible like crown of life, crown of righteousness even second death in revelation were of pagan origin.

4. Will Durant: The Story of Civilization.... Durant is a Bible trasher too who accused The apostles of borrowing their doctrines from paganism.

If you want more I can go on...

But will this move you about your organization? No! But me quoting from Judaism which your organization also making reference to is making you sleepless.

Besides, from the article I quoted from wasn't fully about Judaism but the summary part of it.

Before you people forgot, my question still remains

How can a rebellious angels still be called sons of God?

Maximus69:
OK let's agree that you're not arguing, so tell us who are those 'sons of God' if not rebellious angels?

So you agreed that the sons of God are actually REBELLIOUS ANGELS.

Then why did you say human can't be called sons of God because of Adam's sin?

When we're talking about double standard...it's in all JWs!

But before you shamelessly and arrogantly spew nonsense here, remember the story of Job oooo.
These same SONS OF GOD presented themselves before God and SATAN entered right in there midst, if the sons of God aren't angels, what was Satan[a fallen angel] doing in their midst? Job 1:6

You lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

He was called and single out as SATAN not ONE OF THE SONS OF GOD simply because he had rebelled against God.

And before you say anything stupid consider Revelation that says after these demons were driven out from heaven THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR THEM ANYMORE IN HEAVEN! Revelations 12:8-10

SMH for you, go and ask your organization to ask when this event happened.
This event has been placed after the ascension of Jesus as a reigning king in heaven...

So how come, this demon in heaven are still addressed as sons of God is one of the 7 wonders of JWs abracadabra.

So you can now give your own interpretation of the whole thing, who are the sons of God mentioned @ Genesis 6:1 & Job 1:6?
Jehovah's Witnesses have given their own interpretation,they say those angels are wicked for abandoning their God's given assignment[2Peter 2:4,5] just to come and have sex with female humans in Noah's days and you're saying it's not so!

The interpretation is simple, in Judaism two interpretation are given!

1. Offspring of Seth
2. Angels

Rabbinic Judaism traditionally adheres to the first interpretation, with some exceptions, and modern Jewish translations may translate bnei elohim as "sons of rulers" rather than "sons of God". Regardless, the second interpretation (sons of angels or other divine beings) is nonexistent in modern Judaism. This is reflected by the rejection of Enoch and other Apocrypha supporting the second interpretation from the Hebrew Bible Canon.

Janosky:
Na JW put "son of God " for Genesis 6:2?
I command you to receive sense oh lying Pharisees.

Not JWs that put it there but JWs misinterpreted that verse...that's why you couldn't answer my question.

so the question still remains, can a REBELLIOUS ANGELS be called sons of God?

A demon possessed is commanding sense...in whose authority are you doing that

" Gen6:2 says "sons of God" saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and they married any of them they chose"

In Hebrew language the term "sons of God" is another word for angels.
Compare Job 1:6. 38:7 "sons of God" referred to angels.

Lie...provide the evidence that in Hebrew the term sons of God is another word for Angels!

So that makes Adam an angel since he was called son of God...

In Hebrew language, the expression "sons of God" is not about piety or morals.
"Can a mortal be more righteous than God?...if God places no trust in his servants, if he charges his angels with error, how much those who live in houses of clay?"
Job4:17,18

But the chosen nation of Israel are sons of God...how come?

** Angels can misbehave ,U dey see am?

Then who says they can't misbehave
The point is if they misbehave, can they still be classified as sons of God

It's already established by your own organization that those angels are WICKED ones...

If your copy of the Bible has a Concordance ,References or Margin Notes,& U stop feeding on spiritual junk from your pastorpreneurs,
U no go come here dey show case your stupidity.
Grow up,man.

So is my Bible that also put WICKED angels on your organization website, right? Continue....stupidity is in you, like peak milk...

The funny thing is that, you claim no human can be called son of God after Adam's rebellion against God but believing rebellion angels has right to still be called sons of God....very pathetic!

Maximus69:
If JWs said those 'sons of God' are angels and you object to that.

Not what JWs says but what the scripture says...

And you're not stylishly trying to gain knowledge from Jehovah's Witnesses,

Gain knowledge from people who lack knowledge, that's ridiculous...

why not present your own findings instead of arguing without finding any solution to the riddle!

Showing you what your own organization says as against the lies you're spewing now means I'm arguing...

Before you divert our attention, the question still remains, can REBELLIOUS Angels still be called sons of God?

Abegi you no sabi am, say the truth and put Satan to shame, nobody dey see your face for here so why are you this heady upon nothing?

So you haven't seen the truth I'm presenting here that the Angels are already rebelled against God before they came to earth and chose the daughters of men for wives for themselves?

Are they still sons of God after their rebellion?

bloodofthelamb:
I never believe that those sons of God were angels. The Jesus said we will be like angels at ressurection because they don't marry.

Secondly, for an angel to materialise in flesh without God's permission means he has the power to create.

We know that demons can't create for themselves bodies, they only possess the human body created by God.

That's JWs for you they have A1 in twistology...

Maximus69:
You want to argue NOT learn. I learnt before i know what i say,so it's either you humble yourself or keep to what you think you know.
If there is no human son of God apart from Adam due to inherited sin from Adam,and the first time God bought humans as sons is when they became born again, certainly sons of God before the born again issue can't be sinful humans with Adamic sin but angels.
They were perfect like Adam so if they left the assignment God gave them to come down [Jude 6] and start mating with female humans,then they've chosen WICKEDNESS! They weren't created with wickedness nah so if they chose to be disobedient then their fate will be the same as that of disobedient humans! Psalms 82:6,7 compared to Psalms 37:9-11

Imagine, I want to argue but not learning...so it's your demonic doctrines that I should learn

You learnt before you know what to say, yet you're committing blunders everywhere here...see back to your learning school.

I know you people can twist anything just even your own website just to propagate your delusion doctrines.

The statement read "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

In fact, had it been you read the link I provided you'll have seen that you contradicted your organization.

This is what they wrote at the second paragraph
"The Bible account says that “the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” ( Genesis 6:2 ) Those ‘sons of God’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against God when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​— Jude 6; Genesis 6:2

How can a rebellious angels still be called SONS OF GOD

I will continue to watch how you and your brothers will continue to dance around...

Lastly, the term Son of God was used even before the advent of born again came by Jesus Christ.

Maximus69:
Arrogance is killing you!
You don't understand something and just because the undeniable explanations is coming from your supposed enemies,you're becoming heady!
If Paul said all[including you and i] have sinned and fall short of God's glory,then who could those sons of God in Noah's days be? They were referred to as sons of God after Adam's condemnation,and all of Adam's children are born in Sin!
You just like arguing blindly against Jehovah's Witnesses so check yourself!
There is no fallen angel until those angel came mating with the daughters of men! Read your Bible and meditate instead of stubbornly arguing in ignorance. 2Peter 2:4,5

I know your advocate will soon come to apologize on your behalf...just like I said earlier what you need is to enroll in a children class for Bible stories

Go through this link from official website of JWs and see what they say

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/nephilim-giants/

First paragraph read "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

Now how can wicked angels be called sons of God

I want answer please....

CANTICLES:
He was flesh and bone.

Then he was a human at that very moment

Daniel 10:18 isnt a vision , Verse 15-17 proved it.

So it was an image that touch Daniel?

It's evident that you can't do without lies and falsehood

Now look at verse 16 the one that was even after verse 15

"Then one who looked like a man touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and said to the one who stood in front of me: “My lord, I am shuddering because of the vision, and I have no strength"

Besides, what we read from verse 1 is "...a revelation was given to Daniel, who was called by the name Bel·te·shazʹzar;..."

It's evident that Daniel 10 is all about vision and not physical experience..

CANTICLES:
Not at all, the term sons of the True God identify who they are.

Genesis 6:4
when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them.

Clear distinction was made.

Daughters OF MEN and SONS of GOD.

So wicked angels are SONS OF God...

For them to have sexual organ and be able to have intercourse with real woman means they are actually human at that moment too...

This doesn't mean I subscribed to your point of Sons of God means Angels having sex with human...

Nephilims are earthly creatures having Flesh and blood just as their mother's, but their strength was GIGANTIC beyond normal human due to the kind of fathers they have.

Genesis 6:4 says " the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
"

Mary giving birth to Jesus by supernatural means doesn't remove him from being humans

So upon all the shout about NEPHILIM you can just simply say THEY ARE HUMAN TOO...

*Men of renown was not found only nephilim people with earthly father and mother were also said to be men of renown
*Samson strength was GAGANTIC beyond normal human
*Goliath was a giant and mighty man

So what make them special when an earthly father and mother have produced such

Years later He wrote a letter to the king of isreal ( 2King 21:12

Olodo...it's 2 chronicles 21:12

So because chronicles was after the king it means Elijah wrote a letter after he was taking to heaven...smh

If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one says the scripture.

They are resurrected to a spiritual body as God pleases just like Christ. Put to death in flesh, raised to live in spirit1/quote]

What happened to their body in that instance, is the question?

Besides, to fall asleep means to die...

[quote]He wasn't in a vision when TOUCHED , So the man has blood with that appearance ?

For the last time, it was a vision!

CANTICLES:
Now you can't deny he was in bodily form . Surely

Bodily form means he has flesh and bones...that was why asked...so answer my question.

U lack knowledge, it was after others have related their experience with Jesus to Thomas . this prompted him to want to witness the same .
. Which Christ Did .

He walked through Walls and ability to appear and disappear at will , make them imagine its a spirit, but he was Materialized in their presence, so could Say he is flesh and bones. But not flesh and blood.

After the contradictory what else do I need to say to a deluded person?

Jesus can say He is flesh and bones but not flesh and bones...only God can deliver you sha!

[quote]He wasn't in a Vision when he touched him ( Open your eyes and read Daniel 10:15-17 where Daniel discuss the vision with him )

Lie kill you there!

The whole of Daniel 10 is a VISION/REVELATION given to him.


Don't worry I know it's not going to take long when I will refer you back to this thread because I know you're trying to claim what happened in Daniel 10 is physical and not just VISION....

CANTICLES:
Mark 16:4,5 relating the same event says his appearance his like a young MAN

Fully human with that countenance ?

You must be kidding

Did he have Flesh and bones? like Jesus

Must you lie ?

The reason he ask Thomas to come and touch was because Thomas himself vowed not to believe until he touched him. It has nothing to do with your image theory . that young man the women saw is in Bodily form , full of glory . even engage In a conversation with the women that they were terrified, even had to calm them . that look like it depends on blood to live or maintain his glory ?

You're the real liar here...

Now, we can ask these questions:
1. Why would Thomas VOWED not to believe until he touched the resurrected Jesus if Jesus didn't resurrect with His body?
2. Shouldn't this indicate that Thomas was expecting to see a physical body before he made that vow?
3. Why Jesus didn't correct Thomas's view about resurrection but only to come and deceive him with fake body?

In fact, when Jesus appeared when thomas was not there the Scripture recorded it that they were first afraid and taught they have seen SPIRIT...yet what Jesus did was to correct that perception that No! what they see isn't SPIRIT but the real Him..that's why we read "Behold my hands and my feet, It is I myself...handle me and see for a SPIRIT has no flesh and bones as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus statement here was very clear and straight forward but only someone with a heart of devil will twist it.

An IMAGE according to you touched Daniel ?

Shifted from bodily form to touch. Well done

Daniel was in a VISION....why so daft like this?

CANTICLES:
The expression " sons of the true God " points to angels . The bible later refer to them as angels who left their proper abode

Off topic...

Question is: Why is there union producing GIANT Nephilims if they are fully human ? If they were men why did Nephilims end after the flood ?

Now you have started using both GIANT and NEPHILIM together whereas Giant is the rendering of the Hebrew word nephilim

Imaging, see the question this olodo is asking me...when you suppose to explain to us why will God say He will destroy MAN but your Nephilim that aren't MAN was destroyed

Let's see the summary of your claim
1. Nephilim weren't human
2. God promised was to DESTROY HUMAN
3. How come everyone one earth was destroyed by the flood INCLUDING the nonhuman Nephilim?

In fact, the fact that you claim the flood destroyed the Nephilim is evident that they are human...if not the flood didn't suppose to have effect on them...

You can show us Nephilims that survived beyond the flood ?

Pray tell us why the flood will affect the Nephilim when God promised to destroy ONLY HUMAN and EVERYTHING HE CREATED ON EARTH? Was Nephilim part of God creation on EARTH?

Or let me use your very word, are they earthly creatures

Neither do you understand it. Its another topic entirely

I won't allow you go away with this

Which location was Elijah transported to according to the Scripture?

You lie too much

1 Cor 15:51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death , but we will all be changed

He didn't say they won't die. Death occurs before a person can sleep in death. But because of instant resurrection, such ones won't fall asleep in death not that they won't die.

And for that ressurection verse 44,49 clarifies, its raised in the image of the heavenly one because they have an heavenly hope not earthly body anymore.

I can't stop laughing at your ignorance...

Death occurs before falling asleep in death, you're a real olodo...

So what will kill those people before resurrection taken place?

What happened to their dead body?

Also, why would their body change/transform after they have died

Are you now agree with us that the body that one died with is the same that will resurrect with?

Biggest Olodo as Yoruba people will say . ordinary image touch Daniel

Daniel 10:18 the one who looked like a man TOUCHED me again .

Is he fully human despite he materialized and with those description of him ?

After I showed you that Daniel was in a VISION you can still come to say thrash...

TATIME:
Sorry Sir,He forgot to tell you that Adam was the first and last REAL human son of God BEFORE HE SINNED!

Sorry for your ignorance first not me

So from amongst SINFUL humans the early Christians knows that none of us qualifies to be called son of God unless you're re~connected to him by water and spirit, that is the full meaning of 'born again' as you and i are born in sin!

Now, this is where we're going.

So the Sons of God in Genesis are they fallen Angels? Remembered because of sin we're not qualified to be called sons of God.

Was that event happened before Satan and his Angels rebelled against God or after the rebellion

Don't derail my questions by bringing up irrelevant statements.

Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba i tell you!

Yet you twist, misquote, misrepresent, and attack strawman argument....

Self delusion!

CANTICLES:
I don't just know why I burst into laughter the moment I saw the bolded , You lack objectivity. That angel I described for you with appearance like lightning @ Matthew 28, asking them to go to Galilee, is in HUMAN FORM

Liar, if you're talking about the account of Matthew 28 then you're wrong because what the scripture says is that "his COUNTENANCE was like lightning..."

See the way you're just twisting the scripture...

Mark 16:4 " When they entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a white robe, and they were stunned "

With that appearance and clothing, he is Fully Human?

Get sense

The first question a reasonable person will ask here is, were the angels described to have performed human activities or like what Jesus said..."touch me and see, for a SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES as you see me have"

Those appearance can be compared to 3D IMAGE where every part can be seen but can't be touched.

One can deduce from Jesus statement that "sometimes when spirit appears it's not always with flesh and bones but only the human image" that's why He challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...

So the notion I want to correct is that whenever you use the word MATERIALIZED stop confusing it with IMAGE because it simply means the entity/entities can be seen, touched and feel.

CANTICLES:
They are not earthly, they still retain their angelic strength . Go back to that young man that appear to those women at Jesus tomb as a Young Man . and also study their giving birth to Nephilims

But they possess FLESH, isn't it and isn't FLESH an earthly property

What is the meaning of Nephilim?

Even your organization said they are SUPERHUMAN why not LESS/LOWER SPIRIT

Add more.
Having shining clothing, lightening appearance ,
Read the man that appeared to Daniel at Chapter 10 with his super human description, yet he appeared as a man ( verse 5 )

The word SUPERHUMAN still appeared in your statement...

My key point which you can't still grasp is that, to say a spirit MATERIALISED means he took part in FLESH...you and your brother have not denied this but only trying to eat your cake and also have it...

By claiming that since they are angels they won't have blood...this is what lack of scriptural knowledge can cause...after rushing to Leviticus to claim that "The life of ALL FLESH is in the BLOOD"
Yet the angels that materialised by having FLESH must be excluded from that verse...talking about double standard!

If they become human, why are their offsprings Hybrids?

Firstly, the word HYBRID isn't in the Bible, this word was coined by people like you to explain what the scripture didn't say.

Secondly, the statement of Gender 6:4 is about human GIANTS...

How do we know?
1. they bore sons to them.
2. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame. (Notice: They were MEN)
3. Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth (Notice: everyone on earth at that time were called MAN)
4. Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened. (God's regretted creating MEN on earth)
5. So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground (it was MEN God wants to destroy on the face of ground)

As you can see all references pointed to MAN...not any irregular being on earth...

But unfortunately your organization said the FLOOD destroyed all the nephilims

Elijah was transported to another location. Not heaven . ( John 3:13 is there for you ) Christ is the only spirit that came as a son of man. Others are angelic beings materializing to be visible

Which location was Elijah transported to?

Truly you people don't have shame...and it shows an extent you people can go to continue propagating lie...

This is account of Elijah...

As they were walking along, speaking as they walked, suddenly a fiery chariot and fiery horses made a separation between the two of them, and E·liʹjah ascended to the heavens in the windstorm. 2 king 2:11 NWT

NOTE: I didn't address John 3 because I'm not here for that and I know you don't understand what the verse is saying.

Study that young man at Jesus tomb very well . you will understand .

Nothing like transformed human body. Either human or spirit . when its materialized we know its a spirit trying to be visible.

Apostle Paul talks about how people who are still alive will not die but CHANGE/TRANSFORMED yet you said there's nothing like that, something scripture boldly says.

You need to read Daniel 10 . an angel in human form , touching Daniel but not fully human by description.

Yet you'll be claiming to be a student of the scripture...smh!

This is what Daniel said in verse 7 "Only I, Daniel, saw the vision; the men with me did not see the vision.

Can't you see this is an IMAGE in manifestation and not MATERIALIZE account

Why the prophecy in the first place, if materializing can have the same effect as Fully Human?

Olodo...who did Jesus come to rescue? that's the point...


Lastly, stop using the word MATERIALIZE you don't know the meaning...

CANTICLES:
Flesh in that scripture refers to earthly creatures, he must have brought it to prove that as they are not a Creature of this earth, they do not need blood to sustain a materialized flesh.

Listen to yourself, FLESH in that Scripture refers to EARTHLY CREATURES... and this earthly creatures need BLOOD to sustain but angel brought the same FLESH (which now means they are now part of this earthly CREATURES yet they don't need BLOOD to sustain their own FLESH)

The only thing you can say and I'll agree with you is if this appearance is like IMAGE...people can see image but can't touch or hold it....but unfortunately you're describing what is far higher than just image...having sexual organ, engage in physical sex activities, eat and drink

They are not humans , Birth of Nephilims are only recorded through their sexual relationship . this are giant and mighty men , Bullies . Definitely you can't compare that with You and I, or Shem, Ham and Japheth that are birthed by earthly humans.

Lack of comprehension again, They are angel but before they engage in sexual relationship with woman THEY MUST HAVE BECOME HUMAN at that very moment... that's the point and get it in that your empty skull....

Compare the John 3:13 quoted by Barrister , No human ascend or came down from heaven except the son of man.

Idiot...but Elijah went to heaven..is he an angel or he got transformed body?

Externally, appear human . but the workings of their body and the energy around them is beyond this world . so same reason they can have sex and eat . but the result of their Sexual relationship wasn't normal men but giant humans

Funny enough, you just shouted up there that "They are not humans" only to contradict yourself in the next paragraph that "Externally, appear human"

How can something that is not human still appeared as HUMAN is one of seven wonders of jws

But do you also agree that a TRANSFORMED BODY will work differently as normal BODY?

You want to eat your cake and also have it.

Cover which spirit, that makes two different beings? A materialized body is just a visible form to behold and get the message across.

This is a description of An IMAGE not a MATERIALIZED BODY

A MATERIALIZED BODY is BODILY...which means you can touch and hold it, that's why Jesus challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...for a spirit doesn't have FLESH and BONE as you see me have"

My advice for you, leave watchtower and awake and enroll for English class.

That's why you struggle to answer: if they need blood to sustain themselves , why can't Christ be sent as a materialized person rather than born ?

Struggle to answer you keh, when I've already dealt with it...

Jesus came for the children of Adam so He needs to be part of them in history and blood lines as a fulfilment of prophecies...this has nothing to do with angels taking human form

Olodoo everywhere

CANTICLES:
I told you Materialize Is just a visible form to behold , Apply your definition to the below angel that speak to the women at Jesus tomb

" His [an angel] appearance was like lightning , and his clothing was as white as snow " Matthew 28:2,3

Humans have an appearance like lightning ? He needed blood to lighten up his appearance ? You don't know shi shi about the topic u are discussing .

If not because you lack simple comprehension, the Scripture you quoted has already spelled out what the Angel looks like "His appearance was like LIGHTING" this is different from when the Scripture described angels appear in HUMAN FORM and DOES WHAT Human does!

Now you've brought another point to shot yourself, when this angel appeared in form of LIGHTING, does it mean the LIGHTING wasn't a real LIGHTING? If not they won't have been terrified...

Likewise the experience of Moses, when the angel appeared in form of FIRE, what happened was a REAL FIRE but notice what caught Moses attention... the BUSH WAS BURNING yet the bush wasn't CONSUMED

With this it's evident that you don't understand my point thus far on this thread, you just rush in to start spewing jargons.

For the last time... the point here is if ANGEL MATERIALIZED in HUMAN FORM...at that very moment... they appeared as REAL HUMAN

That is even why I went ahead to provide Dictionary meaning of the word MATERIALIZE which talks about flesh/bodily....in essence it means whenever we're talking about MATERIALIZED we're talking about HUMAN FLESH/BODY which is different from IMAGE like in TV

To agree that angel appeared in human form which means it has FLESH/BODY yet disagree that they don't need BLOOD but also arguing that if Jesus actually appeared with a real human flesh then the body must have BLOOD by quoting Leviticus is contradiction

The human image that appears on TV can't be held or touched but can make sound...

But if you agreed that an angel appeared, have sexual ORGAN and even went further to have intercourse with woman, eat and drink, people want to have canal knowledge with them...then this must be REAL HUMAN in essence.



Get sense...

Maximus69:
The Bible say 'the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men'
Jehovah's Witnesses's interpretation says the 'sons of God' means angels.
Oya talk your own make i hear. Who are those sons of God?
Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans, this was possible because they have been counted worthy through faith in the blood of Jesus!
So Pastor Emusan, present your own interpretation Sir.
Gods sons had sex with daughters of men means what?
Abeg Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba!

You're so dull to the extent that I don't know what I can compare you with...actually I can't discuss scripture with you because I've realized that you are supposed to join children department for Bible stories first before graduating to Bible study.

Look at the @bolden and @color tell me if you know one thing in the Bible

Adam was called the Son of God...even before the fall...yet you can open your dirty mouth to say... "Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans"

CANTICLES:
A very idiotic reply , you said a transform body of FLESH can run without blood . apply your logic to it and see how idiotic you sound. Maximus69 has given you the true meaning of that statement, instead of you to humble and learn .

Okay, if the bible says the life of ALL flesh refers to anything flesh either angelic or not, that means your theory of transform body can't stand . its flesh and must require blood.

That's why I said wisdom is far from you...

"The Life of flesh is in the blood" Notice it was your brother who first brought this to explain that those angels MATERIALIZED must have had BLOOD.

Now, what is my position on this thread? it shows how you people always jumping from one point to another without addressing the main point.

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

In fact this is supported by the story of Angels who God sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah...for the men in that city to have taken step to have sexual intercourse with them...it means they're actually fully human...if it's just a materialized body (not fully human) then such scenario can never happen.

Lastly, none of you has ever addressed this my point but always boycotting it...

I asked, if there is no blood in the fleshy body of materialized angels...and the body can't function on its own. doesn't it mean the fleshy bodies just cover the real spirit of angels

CANTICLES:
Hello . pack this rubbish u vomitted

It doesn't need to if materialized angels Share in the Same Flesh and BLOOD of ADAM . all he need to do is materialize . not waste time growing to adulthood.



Ever heard the term " Earthly man " ?
The description flesh and blood is saying the man is earthly . come and tell me angels are earthly

Your ignorance becomes more glaring the more...

Who says Angels are human?

After I have shown enough evidence on this thread to explain the word MATERIALISE you can still be spewing this rubbish...

Last point....to materialised means to have everything that make human human at that very period....

So to say angels materialized and yet they aren't FULLY human means materialize didn't occur or render the word useless.

How did they give birth to Mighty Nephilims if your theory holds water ?

Are nephilims human or not?

If your answer is yes or no, give us the description of what they are....

Just so unfortunate that I couldn't attached the picture of your organization about nephilim.

CANTICLES:
Big lie, if that is the case those angels won't have given birth to superhuman child's . it only look human but not an human . its an human that depend on blood to survive.

Firstly, the theory of angel having sex with woman is pure lie and delusions of JWs and some denominations.

But let's assume it's true based on this discussion...

Can you give us the description of this SUPERHUMAN and are you saying the Nephilim didn't live by BLOOD?

In fact for the word HUMAN to have appeared means they are FULLY human.

Below is a picture from your organization and please do tell us what the picture depicted?

Maximus69:
Na wa o!
Isn't that what we've been saying since
See my guy,your hatred for JWs is just rendering your intellect nonfunctional.
Jesus said during the resurrection of his 'first fruit'[Revelations 20:6] they will be like angels! Luke 20:34-36
Since Jesus' resurrection is first part he will have spirit bodies like angels and the same is applicable to all those born again[first set to be resurrected]. But the in second resurrection, those ones will be humans fully that's why Revelation said they're not like the first set who can never die again because anything affecting flesh and blood can still lead to their death!
Ha! Jehovah's Witnesses,thank thank thank you oooo!

Waooooo...So another set of people who will be resurrected can still die

Will this happen in PARADISE earth you want to inherit or where?

I have no time to discuss with you people like...you need more Bible study...

Maximus69:
My guy,God said the LIFE of all earthly creatures is in their BLOOD! Leviticus 17:14
So if angels arrange for materialised bodies, do they also possess BLOOD which is meant to preserve earthly creatures?
Ha! JWs na Baba!

Always twisting the scripture to suit your demonic doctrines.

The Bible says "the life of ALL FLESH...." see how you purposely change it to "EARTHLY CREATURES" because you realized your demonic organization has already claimed Jesus appeared in FLESHLY BODIES...

Please with reference(s) tell us the meaning of FLESHLY BODIES?

If Jesus actually appeared in fleshly bodies and no blood running on it, it means the fleshy bodies just covered the SPIRIT Being of Jesus and those Angels, do you agree?

Maximus69:
Oh i'm sorry Sir! I never realised that Lord and God totally meant different things!

Imagine, for you to support your lie you have to agree that Lord and God are the same thing! Why did the organization you're fighting for busy corrupting the scripture especially the NT to insert the word Jehovah in many places where Lord appeared?

But i hope you can read in any version of the Bible that Jesus was MADE Lord and Christ? So who MADE him?

Can you differentiate between when Bible is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation?

If you can then you'll know why....

Besides, the question is WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE was written that Jesus was made GOD?

Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God?

If Jesus not a God to you, who is He?
Is Jesus not a God according to you

Remember all versions of the Bible reads @ John 1:1 that the word WAS God! Meaning he served as God under the authority of someone greater,

Yet you asked "Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God? can you see how confused you are?

just as Moses also SERVED as God! But now both Moses and Jesus are no more serving as God!

Now placing Moses and Jesus Christ on the same level...see how demonic doctrines is playing with your salvation...

So Jesus didn't serve as God now but He is still Alpha and omega, beginning and the end the ONE who was, who is and TO COME

Likewise Bible says "Jesus the same yesterday, today and FOREVER MORE"

Jesus would serve in many capacities according to Isaiah's prophecies
@ Isaiah 9:6 ¤ Wonderful counselor ¤ Mighty God ¤ Eternal father ¤ Prince of Peace.
So if the Bible said and you agreed that he was MADE Lord and Christ, please who MADE him to serve in those capacities? 1Corinthians 15:25~28
Perhaps these quotations were smuggled into your version of the Bible by Jehovah's Witnesses to support their so called lies!

After you can quote Isaiah and you read it boldly written "ETERNAL FATHER" do you know the meaning of ETERNAL

So Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God but presently only Jehovah is God forever unlike both Moses and Jesus who WERE Gods at some times in the past!

I can't believe a student of the scripture will ever place Moses and Jesus on the same level...

Well since Satan has followers then this statement must have come through one of his followers.

CANTICLES:
Wrong. They are not . giving credence to the fact that Jesus materialized after his ressurection by possessing a body without blood.

John 1:14 says Jesus became Flesh or human . that's the only spirit that ever become fully human and share in flesh and blood via his birth to partook fully of the human nature.

See ignorance!

Jesus share in FLESH and BLOOD of ADAM, it's need to because it's the offspring of Adam He came to rescue.

Animals have blood, yet they aren't human because they have flesh and blood...

Go back to my previous post to see where I provided proof for the meaning of MATERIALISE! Spirit can't materialize without being human at that particular period.

even your organization uses FLESHLY BODIES

Please how does a fleshly body look like?

CANTICLES:
You have just describe a materialized body

You have just described a materialized body which function without blood.

Pure lie...Materialize body means it contains what make human human...while transformed body means it's still human but function differently unlike before...

Christ resurrection is a format in which the Saints body will be...so If you agreed that materialised body isn't fully human then it means those who will resurrect aren't going to be human again.

Jozzy4:
Barrister come and carry your friend o , Normal humans food got digested too, hopefully they also does same ?

No they won't, it will digest in your stomach.

He who said u don't have sense is not wrong

And he who says watchtower and awake have blocked your sense of reasoning is perfectly right.

Numbers 13 :31 was a bad report . See where falsehood has led you ?

Imagine, so you want to deny that they never saw Nephilims...

Can you see how far you can go to defend falsehood, your organization gaffed instead for you to accept, you want to shift the blame on BAD REPORT...

The angels are humans , yet breed Giants . why?

If you have a single iota of sense, you'll have asked, are the giants HUMAN or not

Which angel responsible for the Nephilim recorded in Number 13:31

He is alive . we are not talking of dead body. Barrister lol, come see film ,

Can a body that died for 3days still have bleeding of blood, that is the question....oponu!

He has wound, yes or no ? Is he alive ?

If you sustained wound 3days ago, does that mean you're still bleeding on the wound for 3days? Olodo....

Produce where they said so ? Since you don't know the difference between Christ presence and his coming.

Face matter , How come John talk sey he never know how Christ looked like despite the human appearance they saw ?

I've been advising you people to enroll in Bible study by forgetting watchtower and awake lies...

Did John say he didn't know what Jesus looks like or what the believers will be like?

See it for yourself and see the level GB has damaged your spiritual knowledge up to

"Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be..."

ehhhh but the same Jesus transfigured in the presence of John and other...can you see you're the one lying on behalf of John and not what John knows and believes.

Maximus69:
All of these just to make those responding to you cover their eyes in shame?

If you have shame you can't confidently misrepresent scripture and still be bold to talk

Firstly the angels in Noah's day mated with real people so if anything is going to come out of such ABNORNAL sexual relation,it couldn't have been normal children!

Who asked you whether it will be normal children
The question is ARE THEY HUMAN?

Which I quoted your own lie organization that says they're SUPERHUMAN...you see the reason why I said you people lack capacity to debate online because you always address different issue leaving the main one.

Besides, if angels should have sexual intercourse with real human, shouldn't your empty skull tells you that they must have BECOME REAL HUMAN too before something like could happen

Secondly if it is still the same body three days later the holes will remain obvious to everyone including those whom ate with Jesus!

Please, go back to primary school that's where your mates are.

Will the wounds on the body still be bleeding blood after 3days of heart not working? Why are you people so daft like this...

This is the medical fallacy your brother portrayed as truth which I'm calling his attention to.

Thirdly the born again Christians would finally receive their own spiritual bodies and SEE Jesus[who is also now a spirit] once again,but that doesn't implies PHYSICAL sight rather it's SPIRITUAL! Have someone ever explain something to you and you exclaim 'I SEE'? Does that implies that you must SEE something physical or material?

Using wrong lenses of watchtower and awake to interpret the scripture

For once, why can't you people just acknowledge the scripture Why must you twist everything to suit your lie doctrines

It's your lie brother who quoted that verse wrongly but see how you're fighting tooth and nail to make it seems right...

The verse is very self explanatory, now you twisted it to mean SPIRITUAL sighting yet trying to use a physical event of World War I to justify it.

Isn't that delusion?

Lastly Jesus' return in 1914 affected everyone as Satan's presence was felt on earth by world war1 when Jesus was given the authority to begin ruling but only his followers could grasp or SEE that it's the presence of Jesus in power! Matthew 24:3-14 When he first came to the earth,what most people saw was a Carpenter,son of a Carpenter,born by Mary,have brothers and sisters. But it was only few Jews who REALISED,GRASPED or SEE with their mind's eyes that this is the promised Messiah! So he promised to return the same way he left,meaning only faithful people will NOTICE it just as only 500 people noticed that the saviour of the world was departing to heaven! 1Corinthians 15:6
Sir you're not making any reasonable point,but since it's going to make you feel happy if JWs should cover their faces in shame,let me first cover mine at least to please you!

So Jesus also returned in the year World War II was forth right

Maximus69:
Jesus was MADE like a God,the Bible clearly stated this! Act 2:36

Where you cited read "Christ and Lord" yet you said it's clearly stated in the Bible...how you people lie against scripture without fear baffles me...

Your first statement was "someone made Moses God the same way he made Jesus God..."

But as a lying JWs you have to quickly pick the brain giving to you by GB to say "MADE like a God"

Continue....

Jehovah says I am God and no other gods beside me...yet your Jesus as a God is beside Jehovah...why would Jehovah lie that there is no God beside him when Jesus was a God beside him

All JWs are very confused

Though the TRINITY doctrine has been in existence since the commencement of the Roman Catholic Church but the word TRINITY never appeared in any page of the Bible, so let's face the fact in order to distinguish between the person who was GIVEN authority and the person who GAVE such authority! 1Corinthians 15:28,29

Where does the word THEOCRACY appear in the Bible?

Besides, he didn't talk about Trinity yet you brought the issue up, why are you people so confused and always divert from original point?