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Barristter07:
" So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN "

The silly one is the person that didn't comprehend well to have said I agree with this blunder above .

If they say one human died in an accident, na billion of people died ? wetin Trinity go do your life ehn

You keep exposing your ignorance.

TO OTHER ENTITIES billions of people living in the world are ONE HUMAN meaning we have the same essence/nature.

Human do refer to things like
ANIMAL
PLANT
SPIRIT

Whereas within them there are classes of them...but to us snake, fish, eagle are ANIMAL

One human is a single human Ogbeni , check the example I gave above

Why are we called Human?

You're a human
I'm a human

Why not spirit, Animal, Ghost e.t.c

You are the one fighting him, according to Jesus , who is the Only (One ) true God ?

But you change everything about Him and deny His deity.

Barristter07:

A word can have many meanings, it doesn't mean they are all suitable or right for the context, there are places where arche was translated beginning that if source or origin was used, it won't have any meaning.


But for revelation 3:14, to render it as source is to CONTRADICT the scripture which says the Father is the source of all things- this is why such s translation is highly demonic!

So you know a word has different meanings and it depends on context to know how it can be used yet you decide the one that suits you without considering the meaning and context....that's double standard!

Yet you failed to grab the context of the same text simply because your mind has been beclouded by the lies of GB.

The context of that verse is simply means The Word is over all creation just as some versions put it;

New International Version
the ruler of God's creation.

New Heart English Bible
the Head of God's creation, says these things:

So do you now agree he is a creation going by that which you agree with?

Olodo...only God knows how you passed your English class.

So because a version rendered it as BEGINNING to you it's CREATED

Same reason others added "of "

but 'of' and 'by' carried different meaning and can change the meaning of a sentence.

Barristter07:
For the records, Jesus isn't the source /originator of Creation. That makes those versions the Demonic ones. POINT 1.

Olodo...show us the lexical word translated as BEGINNING in that verse, let's consider it as you claim.

Now do you agree with the highlighted?

Olodo....was it only that version that rendered it that way?

Yes I agree?

Now why did your own version add BY to it?

Barristter07:
Lies .

" [Jesus] the beginning of the Creation by God " - Revelation 3:14

Stay away from demonic NWT for the benefit of your salvation.

New International Version
the ruler of God's creation.

New Living Translation
the beginning of God's new creation:

English Standard Version
the beginning of God’s creation.

Berean Study Bible
the Originator of God’s creation.

Berean Literal Bible
the Beginning of God's creation.

New American Standard Bible
the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Christian Standard Bible
the originator of God's creation:

Contemporary English Version
I am the faithful and true witness and the source of God's creation. Listen to what I say.

Good News Translation
who is the origin of all that God has created.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the Originator of God's creation says:

International Standard Version
the originator of God's creation, says this:

NET Bible
the originator of God's creation:

New Heart English Bible
the Head of God's creation, says these things:

It's only your version that added 'BY' to that verse so that your GB will continue to manipulate your mind.

Barristter07:
One human? The other time, it was one Man. So you brought this silly grammatical blunder here

After you called it grammatical blunder you went ahead to agree with it, aren't you the one silly here?

For the records, one human is a Single or Only Human in a group, Two humans are two separate humans, 3,4,5 so on

In a group of what Mr ITK

So keep those lies, @blue... Are you now fighting with Jesus at John 17:3?

You sure who is fighting with Jesus every day....JWs

Janosky:
Mr man , your statement/question means that U condemned your comrade, Johnw comments & in the same breadth condemned your Trinity doctrine.

*Entity - "Some thing that exists separately from other things and has it's own identity"
(Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary).
Mr lying Pharisee and educated illiterate, if u grasp what 'ENTITY' means, your brain will tell U that the only true God ,Jehovah (Jn17:3) is not Jesus.
And Jehovah God is NOT your false 3 in 1 entities of Father, Son, holy spirit.
U have condemned your satanic doctrine from all angles.
Go look for another lie to blow here

I can see how you stylishly boycotted your first lies which I exposed your ignorance about.

Now you resorted to another lie and begin to jump around

Look at the two bolden parts, it shows you're totally lost in the subject matter and you're diving into what you don't know. Instead of you to ask someone to tutor you, you keep exposing your ignorance.

Virtually, most JWs lack comprehensive understanding of TRINITY yet they fail to ask question.

Let me enlighten you so that you won't repeat the same mistake on public forum again.

Firstly, the word 'God' is a generic word like Human that differentiate the person of supreme Being from others i.e Angels, human, animals e.t.c

Secondly, to differentiate human from Animals the generic word 'human' can be use as ONE to refer to the entire people on earth.

Lastly, when we are talking about God we're simply saying the attributes that differentiate this entity from human or others. This is what happened to our early forefathers that made them to ascribed the word 'GOD' to different entities.

But what is the scriptural truth?
The truth is the ONLY TRUE GOD of the universe was not created, everlasting and uphold the universe with His own Power.

Yet all these are also true about Jesus Christ.

But what did you people say?
You agree that there's ONE TRUE God but also agreed that Jesus is also A god.

Yet you can't boldly answer if Jesus is a false god...

To solve the confusion you people are into, since Bible has already established that 'The Word' which became human and known as Jesus is uncreated, everlasting and uphold the universe with His own power yet different from the person who we know as Father. Then, He is God!

So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN (meaning we are of the same NATURE/ESSENCE) to other entities so the three PERSONS identified in the scripture as uncreated and everlasting are ONE TRUE God.

Janosky:
Jesus was begotten, who beget Jehovah?

I believe you don't take the meaning of begotten here to mean as a mother given birth to a child.

The fact is Jesus was not CREATED

* "Essence is defined as the core nature or the most qualities of a person"
https://www.yourdictionary.com/essence

* NATURE
" The fundamental qualities of a person or thing"
https://www.collinsdictionary.com


* Nature & Essence meaning the same thing. But pagans who worship triune gods have weaved fictitious meanings into both words.

Just so unfortunate that you can still cherry pick from your own link, anyway it's not new as JWs read but only pick any part that suits them and ignore the rest. just as they do to Bible.

From the link you provided, this was boldly written there: essence;
1. something that is, or exists; entity
2. that which makes something what it is; intrinsic, fundamental nature or most important quality (of something); essential being
3. a. a substance that keeps, in concentrated form, the flavor, fragrance, or other properties of the plant, drug, food, etc. from which it is extracted; essential oil
b. a solution of such a substance or oil in alcohol
c. a perfume
4. PHILOS.
a. the inward nature of anything, underlying its manifestations; true substance
b. the indispensable conceptual characteristics and relations of anything

But take a look at 1&2 and see how it falsified your point.

U dey see am?
"He is everlasting and uncreated" are not the qualities (essence/ nature) of the only true God, Jehovah, the Father & God of Jesus Christ.

They are, stop displaying your ignorance here...from above point and the one here...

Nature: The basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nature

A child has the nature/essence of his father when he displays sterling qualities his Father is well known for, such as kindness, meekness, humility, honesty etc .
(Jesus says he speaks what Jehovah taught him (Jesus), John8:24-28,38. 7:16,28,29, that's how Jesus learned & copied his Father Jehovah's nature/ essence.
He did what his Father did & approved.)

So we can then say YOU and Jehovah have the same NATURE/ESSENCE as well since you possess those characteristics. isn't it?

Then why the need for John 1:1 if you as a human can have the same nature/essence as Jehovah.

From here, it's evident that it's either you're lost or ignorant of you're saying.

It does not in anyway mean that that Father (Jehovah) & child (Jesus) are one single entity (God) or encased/operate in singular spirit body.

Where have you heard anyone saying The Father and Son are the same ENTITY?

This is how your founding fathers are also ignorant of the subject matter of TRINITY.

Mr man, your Trinity scam is a satanic invention.

When you don't even know it

Janosky:
What is the essence/ nature of Jesus Father ,Jehovah?
Make you reply ,I beg.

He is everlasting and uncreated...

What nature/essence were you referring to when you said Jesus and His Father has the same nature/essence?

reply asap

Janosky:
Olaadegbu has the nature/essence of his father but he is not his father, that is what John1:1 is saying.

Now that you agreed that the Word (Later became Jesus) has the same nature/essence with His Father.


Do you also know that, it was this same NATURE/ESSENCE that made the Father God?

OLAADEGBU:
There is a logical fallacy in the argument that Mary is the mother of God
by Matt Slick

The Roman Catholic Church often calls Mary the "mother of God." They say...

"Since Mary is Jesus' mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ."¹

There is a sense in which the syllogism is true, but also another in which it is not. Let's take a look.

https://carm.org/mary-mother-of-god-logical-fallacy

Most people yet not grab the concept of scripture's picture about Jesus Christ that's why there are different view about Him.

The truth that was hidden in the scripture is:
Though Jesus was God prior to His earthly life yet He didn't come to earth as God even though divinity was hidden in His humanity.

So inability to distinguish where the scripture is referring to His heavenly life and earthly life is the source of all confusion.

are you doing hire purchase?

beatmonster:
Are you going on scholarship?

No going to pay the school fees

Emusan:
Anyone living in Brunei Darussalam?
Please your attention in needed here...
How is life over there especially for students?
Can one be schooling (postgraduate) and working at the same time?
cc: justwise

Anyone with a useful info?

forwardvent:
Application status is still showing processing. I doubt if the admission will be offered.

That's pathetic!

But do you have any idea about schooling and working in Brunei?

BelarusNigeria:
All official information about Education in Belarus you can find at the website of the Embassy of Belarus in Nigeria, Abuja (nigeria.mfa.gov.by). Also You can contact Education Unit (e-mail: nigeria.mfa.gov.by) at the Embassy, where You will be explained how to apply for studies in Belarus. You can come to the Embassy of Belarus in Nigeria (located in Abuja, Asokoro, 1866, Deng Xioping street, Plot 2148) to have a consultation at the Education Unit or to get materials about studies in Belarus (visiting hours: from Monday till Tuesday 9am-12pm). Official facebook page of the Education Unit of the Embassy https://www.facebook.com/EduBelNaija/.

Also You can visit an official website of the NIHE Centre for International Cooperation in Education,that was founded in 2012 at the initiative of the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Belarus (http://studyin.edu.by/en/main.aspx). Consultations with the specialists of the Centre are free.

Are you an agent?

People in Belarus, how is life over there?

SaintHilary:
BRUwhat How u take reach dere

Pursuing my academic career...

kingskim:
Brunei..........boko haram full there oooo
Cum borno leave Brunei....

Do you mean there are insurgencies there or what?

please shield more light on it

marvin906:
I meant if he has gotten he's info on travelling to Bahrain am interested

Alright

Let's hope he responds to that

azraeljaheel:
CONSTRUCTION SITE




He wana turn naija to THE PROJECTS



Or maybe I just got the wrong interpretation of what the man is trying to say

It simply means there will be enough construction activities i.e massive housing work going on which our previous leaders failed to provide for us.

duduade:
Has he turned his ward and adjourned wards into a construction site

Did President Buhari deliver his own ward from corruption nor take his on ward to the next level before becoming President?

Anyone living in Brunei Darussalam?
Please your attention in needed here...
How is life over there especially for students?
Can one be schooling (postgraduate) and working at the same time?
cc: justwise

marvin906:
Hello bro Have gotten your info

What do you have to say?

forwardvent:
Hello,

I applied to University of Brunei Darussalam, School of Business and Economic for Master Program in Management together with Government of Brunei Darussalam Scholarship for International Students and I've just received an invite to take UBDSBE Knowledge Test for Admission to Master of Management.

UBDSBE Knowledge Test for Admission to Master of Management (by coursework)



Date: Saturday 7th April 2018

Time: 2:00 pm

Venue: UTH Lecture Theatre 1, ICTC / IBM Building



For those unable to attend the Saturday session, please inform us by Thursday 5th April. Thank you.



Duration of the test will be 60 minutes.

Who else got this invite?

Were you finally given an admission into UBD?

TATIME:
Na wah oooooooo
Abeg who go help me tell this of a person say na question we dey try answer for here.
Hellooooooooo WHY ARE WE HERE? Period!

You're answering question yet you started postulating lies for those who probably didn't know you nor your organization to cajole them.

The person asked you a question, instead of you to answer him straightly you have to deny the works of scientists simply because it doesn't dance to your tune....forgotten that your organization is an advocate that promotes the said SPECULATIONS of the so called scientists by you...

Going by this your statement "The scientists speculates a lot basing their assumptions on what an instrument TELESCOPE reveals to their SIGHT"

We can then ask, why do your publications always use these speculation and assumption ideas to validate most of their claim?

Though, actually I'm not surprised because they did same by using references from Atheists and secular books to fight the church but for the sake of those seeking for the truth.


What a shame...

TATIME:
That's what Jesus confirmed!
Matthew 10:37-39
Jesus is the TRUTH! John 14:6

Who denied this before

So keep seeking for the Truth ALWAYS or in other words (RIGHTEOUSNESS) and you will be saved! Zephaniah 2:2,3 Keep asking questions, praying and begging God to help you not to sell your conscience when the TRUTH is around you,and you will be saved! Matthew 7:7

So why then did your organization say one must be PART OF THEM before being saved?

Heavenly life is STRICTLY for born again Christians, so those who never became Christians can't go to heaven but as long as they lived as prisoners of conscience they'll be resurrected to come and learn what they had no opportunity to learn which is the new personality (Jesus).

You're just exposing your ignorance the more....

So it means millions of your people who will be resurrected on earth to live forever aren't born again nor are they Christians..

They can only be condemned if they had the chances of becoming Christians and rejected it because of shame,of course such person can't stand for the TRUTH! Matthew 10:33

If this people will be resurrected to still learn about Christ, then why you're so furious about Atheists who didn't accept him now?

Also, why are you so full of pains when Mahatma made that statement

One thing is certain, your doctrinal teaching is wrong and can only come from devil himself.

TATIME:
Thanks for the comments Sir, so can you now address the OP? The topic of discuss here is "WHY ARE WE HERE?"
Please what have you got to say,we're not here for confrontations or accusations.
God bless you!

Why did you start with hypocrisy

It's evident you can only deceive those who didn't know or familiar with your lies and that of your organization.

That's why you keep jumping from one thread to another claiming to be intelligent and sound mind of the scriptures...whereas you're only promoting your organization lies.

TATIME:
The scientists speculates a lot basing their assumptions on what an instrument TELESCOPE reveals to their SIGHT. Note that these people restricts their documents ONLY to what they can SEE.
It's worthless trusting in their assertions because they are restricted to sight whereas you and i know for sure that there are many things that lives around us that WE CAN'T SEE!
Even the scientists themselves asserted the existence of BLACK HOLES yet their assumptions is based on certain events in the space but NO ONE has seen the black hole for REAL!
Whether God created billions or trillions of planets it's none of our business since we have a massive planet that's bubbling with lots of lives. What should be our main concern is how we can LIVE happily, peacefully and longer as we're enjoying LIFE on our planet home EARTH!
I think that's the purpose of life! Genesis 1:26-28

The scientists speculate a lot, yet your organization always supports their lies about universe with this same scientific speculations....isn't that ridiculous?

Talking about hypocrisy, you and your organization carry first.

What you did here is what we've opened you people eyes to in Bible...yet failed to take correction....you quote any verse that you think it is on your side and cherry pick or totally reject the part you think it's not.

You can quickly rush and use scientists claim as a cover when it suits you but deny them when it is not.

the attached is a quote from one of your organization publications.

TATIME:
If we tell you that Jehovah's Witnesses have been in existence before Charles Taze Russell, you'll start arguing with us.
Well for your information, the GROUP name Jehovah's Witnesses was adopted during the 1930s, but all those who laid down their lives for the sake of the TRUTH are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES beginning from Abel till today!
Hebrew 11:4-12:1
Whoever died for the TRUTH (after Christ) and before the commencement of the gathering of the great crowd during the 1930s is PART OF THE 144,000!
So don't think that the GROUP name is what matters but rather it's their commitment to the TRUTH! God bless you.

Waoooo it's getting more interesting, so those who died for the truth be it Christian, Muslim, Atheist e.tc before the group name was ADOPTED, were JWs.

So after a NAME was adopted in 1930's, why did your organization then say without being part of this group you'll be destroyed at Armageddon?

So to you now only to die for the TRUTH is the criteria to make heaven.

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses aren't condemning those translations because any effort to translate a big book such as the Bible, which was originally written in three different ancient languages into the modern day languages Worth's commendations!
What we're saying is the TRANSLATORS made several mistakes that's distorting the meaning of the messages thereby jeopardizing the chances of understanding the Bible.
Jesus condemns killings but the Churches for centuries haven't figure out how to apply what this Nazarene said! Is that not worth examining?

The bolden part exposes your ignorance and dishonesty.

The OP raised a point about how some TRANSLATIONS distorted the Bible by removing some part and erased their meanings, you rushed in only to say jargon but came back to agree with the same OP that actually TRANSLATORS made several mistakes.

Besides, I believe the translators of NWT are not left out in your "What we're saying is the TRANSLATORS made several mistakes that's distorting the meaning of the messages thereby jeopardizing the chances of understanding the Bible."

We care to know those versions that didn't make mistakes and distort Bible meaning and those that did.