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CANTICLES:
I don't just know why I burst into laughter the moment I saw the bolded , You lack objectivity. That angel I described for you with appearance like lightning @ Matthew 28, asking them to go to Galilee, is in HUMAN FORM

Liar, if you're talking about the account of Matthew 28 then you're wrong because what the scripture says is that "his COUNTENANCE was like lightning..."

See the way you're just twisting the scripture...

Mark 16:4 " When they entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a white robe, and they were stunned "

With that appearance and clothing, he is Fully Human?

Get sense

The first question a reasonable person will ask here is, were the angels described to have performed human activities or like what Jesus said..."touch me and see, for a SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES as you see me have"

Those appearance can be compared to 3D IMAGE where every part can be seen but can't be touched.

One can deduce from Jesus statement that "sometimes when spirit appears it's not always with flesh and bones but only the human image" that's why He challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...

So the notion I want to correct is that whenever you use the word MATERIALIZED stop confusing it with IMAGE because it simply means the entity/entities can be seen, touched and feel.

CANTICLES:
They are not earthly, they still retain their angelic strength . Go back to that young man that appear to those women at Jesus tomb as a Young Man . and also study their giving birth to Nephilims

But they possess FLESH, isn't it and isn't FLESH an earthly property

What is the meaning of Nephilim?

Even your organization said they are SUPERHUMAN why not LESS/LOWER SPIRIT

Add more.
Having shining clothing, lightening appearance ,
Read the man that appeared to Daniel at Chapter 10 with his super human description, yet he appeared as a man ( verse 5 )

The word SUPERHUMAN still appeared in your statement...

My key point which you can't still grasp is that, to say a spirit MATERIALISED means he took part in FLESH...you and your brother have not denied this but only trying to eat your cake and also have it...

By claiming that since they are angels they won't have blood...this is what lack of scriptural knowledge can cause...after rushing to Leviticus to claim that "The life of ALL FLESH is in the BLOOD"
Yet the angels that materialised by having FLESH must be excluded from that verse...talking about double standard!

If they become human, why are their offsprings Hybrids?

Firstly, the word HYBRID isn't in the Bible, this word was coined by people like you to explain what the scripture didn't say.

Secondly, the statement of Gender 6:4 is about human GIANTS...

How do we know?
1. they bore sons to them.
2. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame. (Notice: They were MEN)
3. Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth (Notice: everyone on earth at that time were called MAN)
4. Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened. (God's regretted creating MEN on earth)
5. So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground (it was MEN God wants to destroy on the face of ground)

As you can see all references pointed to MAN...not any irregular being on earth...

But unfortunately your organization said the FLOOD destroyed all the nephilims

Elijah was transported to another location. Not heaven . ( John 3:13 is there for you ) Christ is the only spirit that came as a son of man. Others are angelic beings materializing to be visible

Which location was Elijah transported to?

Truly you people don't have shame...and it shows an extent you people can go to continue propagating lie...

This is account of Elijah...

As they were walking along, speaking as they walked, suddenly a fiery chariot and fiery horses made a separation between the two of them, and E·liʹjah ascended to the heavens in the windstorm. 2 king 2:11 NWT

NOTE: I didn't address John 3 because I'm not here for that and I know you don't understand what the verse is saying.

Study that young man at Jesus tomb very well . you will understand .

Nothing like transformed human body. Either human or spirit . when its materialized we know its a spirit trying to be visible.

Apostle Paul talks about how people who are still alive will not die but CHANGE/TRANSFORMED yet you said there's nothing like that, something scripture boldly says.

You need to read Daniel 10 . an angel in human form , touching Daniel but not fully human by description.

Yet you'll be claiming to be a student of the scripture...smh!

This is what Daniel said in verse 7 "Only I, Daniel, saw the vision; the men with me did not see the vision.

Can't you see this is an IMAGE in manifestation and not MATERIALIZE account

Why the prophecy in the first place, if materializing can have the same effect as Fully Human?

Olodo...who did Jesus come to rescue? that's the point...


Lastly, stop using the word MATERIALIZE you don't know the meaning...

CANTICLES:
Flesh in that scripture refers to earthly creatures, he must have brought it to prove that as they are not a Creature of this earth, they do not need blood to sustain a materialized flesh.

Listen to yourself, FLESH in that Scripture refers to EARTHLY CREATURES... and this earthly creatures need BLOOD to sustain but angel brought the same FLESH (which now means they are now part of this earthly CREATURES yet they don't need BLOOD to sustain their own FLESH)

The only thing you can say and I'll agree with you is if this appearance is like IMAGE...people can see image but can't touch or hold it....but unfortunately you're describing what is far higher than just image...having sexual organ, engage in physical sex activities, eat and drink

They are not humans , Birth of Nephilims are only recorded through their sexual relationship . this are giant and mighty men , Bullies . Definitely you can't compare that with You and I, or Shem, Ham and Japheth that are birthed by earthly humans.

Lack of comprehension again, They are angel but before they engage in sexual relationship with woman THEY MUST HAVE BECOME HUMAN at that very moment... that's the point and get it in that your empty skull....

Compare the John 3:13 quoted by Barrister , No human ascend or came down from heaven except the son of man.

Idiot...but Elijah went to heaven..is he an angel or he got transformed body?

Externally, appear human . but the workings of their body and the energy around them is beyond this world . so same reason they can have sex and eat . but the result of their Sexual relationship wasn't normal men but giant humans

Funny enough, you just shouted up there that "They are not humans" only to contradict yourself in the next paragraph that "Externally, appear human"

How can something that is not human still appeared as HUMAN is one of seven wonders of jws

But do you also agree that a TRANSFORMED BODY will work differently as normal BODY?

You want to eat your cake and also have it.

Cover which spirit, that makes two different beings? A materialized body is just a visible form to behold and get the message across.

This is a description of An IMAGE not a MATERIALIZED BODY

A MATERIALIZED BODY is BODILY...which means you can touch and hold it, that's why Jesus challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...for a spirit doesn't have FLESH and BONE as you see me have"

My advice for you, leave watchtower and awake and enroll for English class.

That's why you struggle to answer: if they need blood to sustain themselves , why can't Christ be sent as a materialized person rather than born ?

Struggle to answer you keh, when I've already dealt with it...

Jesus came for the children of Adam so He needs to be part of them in history and blood lines as a fulfilment of prophecies...this has nothing to do with angels taking human form

Olodoo everywhere

CANTICLES:
I told you Materialize Is just a visible form to behold , Apply your definition to the below angel that speak to the women at Jesus tomb

" His [an angel] appearance was like lightning , and his clothing was as white as snow " Matthew 28:2,3

Humans have an appearance like lightning ? He needed blood to lighten up his appearance ? You don't know shi shi about the topic u are discussing .

If not because you lack simple comprehension, the Scripture you quoted has already spelled out what the Angel looks like "His appearance was like LIGHTING" this is different from when the Scripture described angels appear in HUMAN FORM and DOES WHAT Human does!

Now you've brought another point to shot yourself, when this angel appeared in form of LIGHTING, does it mean the LIGHTING wasn't a real LIGHTING? If not they won't have been terrified...

Likewise the experience of Moses, when the angel appeared in form of FIRE, what happened was a REAL FIRE but notice what caught Moses attention... the BUSH WAS BURNING yet the bush wasn't CONSUMED

With this it's evident that you don't understand my point thus far on this thread, you just rush in to start spewing jargons.

For the last time... the point here is if ANGEL MATERIALIZED in HUMAN FORM...at that very moment... they appeared as REAL HUMAN

That is even why I went ahead to provide Dictionary meaning of the word MATERIALIZE which talks about flesh/bodily....in essence it means whenever we're talking about MATERIALIZED we're talking about HUMAN FLESH/BODY which is different from IMAGE like in TV

To agree that angel appeared in human form which means it has FLESH/BODY yet disagree that they don't need BLOOD but also arguing that if Jesus actually appeared with a real human flesh then the body must have BLOOD by quoting Leviticus is contradiction

The human image that appears on TV can't be held or touched but can make sound...

But if you agreed that an angel appeared, have sexual ORGAN and even went further to have intercourse with woman, eat and drink, people want to have canal knowledge with them...then this must be REAL HUMAN in essence.



Get sense...

Maximus69:
The Bible say 'the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men'
Jehovah's Witnesses's interpretation says the 'sons of God' means angels.
Oya talk your own make i hear. Who are those sons of God?
Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans, this was possible because they have been counted worthy through faith in the blood of Jesus!
So Pastor Emusan, present your own interpretation Sir.
Gods sons had sex with daughters of men means what?
Abeg Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba!

You're so dull to the extent that I don't know what I can compare you with...actually I can't discuss scripture with you because I've realized that you are supposed to join children department for Bible stories first before graduating to Bible study.

Look at the @bolden and @color tell me if you know one thing in the Bible

Adam was called the Son of God...even before the fall...yet you can open your dirty mouth to say... "Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans"

CANTICLES:
A very idiotic reply , you said a transform body of FLESH can run without blood . apply your logic to it and see how idiotic you sound. Maximus69 has given you the true meaning of that statement, instead of you to humble and learn .

Okay, if the bible says the life of ALL flesh refers to anything flesh either angelic or not, that means your theory of transform body can't stand . its flesh and must require blood.

That's why I said wisdom is far from you...

"The Life of flesh is in the blood" Notice it was your brother who first brought this to explain that those angels MATERIALIZED must have had BLOOD.

Now, what is my position on this thread? it shows how you people always jumping from one point to another without addressing the main point.

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

In fact this is supported by the story of Angels who God sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah...for the men in that city to have taken step to have sexual intercourse with them...it means they're actually fully human...if it's just a materialized body (not fully human) then such scenario can never happen.

Lastly, none of you has ever addressed this my point but always boycotting it...

I asked, if there is no blood in the fleshy body of materialized angels...and the body can't function on its own. doesn't it mean the fleshy bodies just cover the real spirit of angels

CANTICLES:
Hello . pack this rubbish u vomitted

It doesn't need to if materialized angels Share in the Same Flesh and BLOOD of ADAM . all he need to do is materialize . not waste time growing to adulthood.



Ever heard the term " Earthly man " ?
The description flesh and blood is saying the man is earthly . come and tell me angels are earthly

Your ignorance becomes more glaring the more...

Who says Angels are human?

After I have shown enough evidence on this thread to explain the word MATERIALISE you can still be spewing this rubbish...

Last point....to materialised means to have everything that make human human at that very period....

So to say angels materialized and yet they aren't FULLY human means materialize didn't occur or render the word useless.

How did they give birth to Mighty Nephilims if your theory holds water ?

Are nephilims human or not?

If your answer is yes or no, give us the description of what they are....

Just so unfortunate that I couldn't attached the picture of your organization about nephilim.

CANTICLES:
Big lie, if that is the case those angels won't have given birth to superhuman child's . it only look human but not an human . its an human that depend on blood to survive.

Firstly, the theory of angel having sex with woman is pure lie and delusions of JWs and some denominations.

But let's assume it's true based on this discussion...

Can you give us the description of this SUPERHUMAN and are you saying the Nephilim didn't live by BLOOD?

In fact for the word HUMAN to have appeared means they are FULLY human.

Below is a picture from your organization and please do tell us what the picture depicted?

Maximus69:
Na wa o!
Isn't that what we've been saying since
See my guy,your hatred for JWs is just rendering your intellect nonfunctional.
Jesus said during the resurrection of his 'first fruit'[Revelations 20:6] they will be like angels! Luke 20:34-36
Since Jesus' resurrection is first part he will have spirit bodies like angels and the same is applicable to all those born again[first set to be resurrected]. But the in second resurrection, those ones will be humans fully that's why Revelation said they're not like the first set who can never die again because anything affecting flesh and blood can still lead to their death!
Ha! Jehovah's Witnesses,thank thank thank you oooo!

Waooooo...So another set of people who will be resurrected can still die

Will this happen in PARADISE earth you want to inherit or where?

I have no time to discuss with you people like...you need more Bible study...

Maximus69:
My guy,God said the LIFE of all earthly creatures is in their BLOOD! Leviticus 17:14
So if angels arrange for materialised bodies, do they also possess BLOOD which is meant to preserve earthly creatures?
Ha! JWs na Baba!

Always twisting the scripture to suit your demonic doctrines.

The Bible says "the life of ALL FLESH...." see how you purposely change it to "EARTHLY CREATURES" because you realized your demonic organization has already claimed Jesus appeared in FLESHLY BODIES...

Please with reference(s) tell us the meaning of FLESHLY BODIES?

If Jesus actually appeared in fleshly bodies and no blood running on it, it means the fleshy bodies just covered the SPIRIT Being of Jesus and those Angels, do you agree?

Maximus69:
Oh i'm sorry Sir! I never realised that Lord and God totally meant different things!

Imagine, for you to support your lie you have to agree that Lord and God are the same thing! Why did the organization you're fighting for busy corrupting the scripture especially the NT to insert the word Jehovah in many places where Lord appeared?

But i hope you can read in any version of the Bible that Jesus was MADE Lord and Christ? So who MADE him?

Can you differentiate between when Bible is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation?

If you can then you'll know why....

Besides, the question is WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE was written that Jesus was made GOD?

Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God?

If Jesus not a God to you, who is He?
Is Jesus not a God according to you

Remember all versions of the Bible reads @ John 1:1 that the word WAS God! Meaning he served as God under the authority of someone greater,

Yet you asked "Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God? can you see how confused you are?

just as Moses also SERVED as God! But now both Moses and Jesus are no more serving as God!

Now placing Moses and Jesus Christ on the same level...see how demonic doctrines is playing with your salvation...

So Jesus didn't serve as God now but He is still Alpha and omega, beginning and the end the ONE who was, who is and TO COME

Likewise Bible says "Jesus the same yesterday, today and FOREVER MORE"

Jesus would serve in many capacities according to Isaiah's prophecies
@ Isaiah 9:6 ¤ Wonderful counselor ¤ Mighty God ¤ Eternal father ¤ Prince of Peace.
So if the Bible said and you agreed that he was MADE Lord and Christ, please who MADE him to serve in those capacities? 1Corinthians 15:25~28
Perhaps these quotations were smuggled into your version of the Bible by Jehovah's Witnesses to support their so called lies!

After you can quote Isaiah and you read it boldly written "ETERNAL FATHER" do you know the meaning of ETERNAL

So Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God but presently only Jehovah is God forever unlike both Moses and Jesus who WERE Gods at some times in the past!

I can't believe a student of the scripture will ever place Moses and Jesus on the same level...

Well since Satan has followers then this statement must have come through one of his followers.

CANTICLES:
Wrong. They are not . giving credence to the fact that Jesus materialized after his ressurection by possessing a body without blood.

John 1:14 says Jesus became Flesh or human . that's the only spirit that ever become fully human and share in flesh and blood via his birth to partook fully of the human nature.

See ignorance!

Jesus share in FLESH and BLOOD of ADAM, it's need to because it's the offspring of Adam He came to rescue.

Animals have blood, yet they aren't human because they have flesh and blood...

Go back to my previous post to see where I provided proof for the meaning of MATERIALISE! Spirit can't materialize without being human at that particular period.

even your organization uses FLESHLY BODIES

Please how does a fleshly body look like?

CANTICLES:
You have just describe a materialized body

You have just described a materialized body which function without blood.

Pure lie...Materialize body means it contains what make human human...while transformed body means it's still human but function differently unlike before...

Christ resurrection is a format in which the Saints body will be...so If you agreed that materialised body isn't fully human then it means those who will resurrect aren't going to be human again.

Jozzy4:
Barrister come and carry your friend o , Normal humans food got digested too, hopefully they also does same ?

No they won't, it will digest in your stomach.

He who said u don't have sense is not wrong

And he who says watchtower and awake have blocked your sense of reasoning is perfectly right.

Numbers 13 :31 was a bad report . See where falsehood has led you ?

Imagine, so you want to deny that they never saw Nephilims...

Can you see how far you can go to defend falsehood, your organization gaffed instead for you to accept, you want to shift the blame on BAD REPORT...

The angels are humans , yet breed Giants . why?

If you have a single iota of sense, you'll have asked, are the giants HUMAN or not

Which angel responsible for the Nephilim recorded in Number 13:31

He is alive . we are not talking of dead body. Barrister lol, come see film ,

Can a body that died for 3days still have bleeding of blood, that is the question....oponu!

He has wound, yes or no ? Is he alive ?

If you sustained wound 3days ago, does that mean you're still bleeding on the wound for 3days? Olodo....

Produce where they said so ? Since you don't know the difference between Christ presence and his coming.

Face matter , How come John talk sey he never know how Christ looked like despite the human appearance they saw ?

I've been advising you people to enroll in Bible study by forgetting watchtower and awake lies...

Did John say he didn't know what Jesus looks like or what the believers will be like?

See it for yourself and see the level GB has damaged your spiritual knowledge up to

"Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be..."

ehhhh but the same Jesus transfigured in the presence of John and other...can you see you're the one lying on behalf of John and not what John knows and believes.

Maximus69:
All of these just to make those responding to you cover their eyes in shame?

If you have shame you can't confidently misrepresent scripture and still be bold to talk

Firstly the angels in Noah's day mated with real people so if anything is going to come out of such ABNORNAL sexual relation,it couldn't have been normal children!

Who asked you whether it will be normal children
The question is ARE THEY HUMAN?

Which I quoted your own lie organization that says they're SUPERHUMAN...you see the reason why I said you people lack capacity to debate online because you always address different issue leaving the main one.

Besides, if angels should have sexual intercourse with real human, shouldn't your empty skull tells you that they must have BECOME REAL HUMAN too before something like could happen

Secondly if it is still the same body three days later the holes will remain obvious to everyone including those whom ate with Jesus!

Please, go back to primary school that's where your mates are.

Will the wounds on the body still be bleeding blood after 3days of heart not working? Why are you people so daft like this...

This is the medical fallacy your brother portrayed as truth which I'm calling his attention to.

Thirdly the born again Christians would finally receive their own spiritual bodies and SEE Jesus[who is also now a spirit] once again,but that doesn't implies PHYSICAL sight rather it's SPIRITUAL! Have someone ever explain something to you and you exclaim 'I SEE'? Does that implies that you must SEE something physical or material?

Using wrong lenses of watchtower and awake to interpret the scripture

For once, why can't you people just acknowledge the scripture Why must you twist everything to suit your lie doctrines

It's your lie brother who quoted that verse wrongly but see how you're fighting tooth and nail to make it seems right...

The verse is very self explanatory, now you twisted it to mean SPIRITUAL sighting yet trying to use a physical event of World War I to justify it.

Isn't that delusion?

Lastly Jesus' return in 1914 affected everyone as Satan's presence was felt on earth by world war1 when Jesus was given the authority to begin ruling but only his followers could grasp or SEE that it's the presence of Jesus in power! Matthew 24:3-14 When he first came to the earth,what most people saw was a Carpenter,son of a Carpenter,born by Mary,have brothers and sisters. But it was only few Jews who REALISED,GRASPED or SEE with their mind's eyes that this is the promised Messiah! So he promised to return the same way he left,meaning only faithful people will NOTICE it just as only 500 people noticed that the saviour of the world was departing to heaven! 1Corinthians 15:6
Sir you're not making any reasonable point,but since it's going to make you feel happy if JWs should cover their faces in shame,let me first cover mine at least to please you!

So Jesus also returned in the year World War II was forth right

Maximus69:
Jesus was MADE like a God,the Bible clearly stated this! Act 2:36

Where you cited read "Christ and Lord" yet you said it's clearly stated in the Bible...how you people lie against scripture without fear baffles me...

Your first statement was "someone made Moses God the same way he made Jesus God..."

But as a lying JWs you have to quickly pick the brain giving to you by GB to say "MADE like a God"

Continue....

Jehovah says I am God and no other gods beside me...yet your Jesus as a God is beside Jehovah...why would Jehovah lie that there is no God beside him when Jesus was a God beside him

All JWs are very confused

Though the TRINITY doctrine has been in existence since the commencement of the Roman Catholic Church but the word TRINITY never appeared in any page of the Bible, so let's face the fact in order to distinguish between the person who was GIVEN authority and the person who GAVE such authority! 1Corinthians 15:28,29

Where does the word THEOCRACY appear in the Bible?

Besides, he didn't talk about Trinity yet you brought the issue up, why are you people so confused and always divert from original point?

Barristter07:
A spirit being life isn't depended on Blood, they don't become human . they appear bodily

Your confusion knows no bound...

Who says a spirit being LIFE depends on BLOOD before

My point is, for a spirit being to MATERIALIZE it means THE SPIRIT BECOME FULLY HUMAN at that very moment, that's why they can do what normal human can do i.e eat, drink. These are functions ONLY known FULL EARTHLY being performed, if not applying the word MATERIALIZE to them is useless.

Okay listen



materialize - /məˈtɪərɪəlʌɪz/
verb
1. become actual fact; happen.
2. (of a ghost, spirit, or similar entity) appear in bodily form.

Appear NOT Become .

See how you're disgracing yourself with simple English...

bodily adjective
bodi·​ly | \ ˈbä-də-lē \
Definition of bodily (Entry 1 of 2)
: having a body : PHYSICAL 1 : of or relating to the body
// bodily comfort
// bodily organs 2

bodily adverb
Definition of bodily (Entry 2 of 2)
: in the flesh
: in a manner that involves physically moving someone's body

You neglected the BODILY PART but hold on to only APPEAR, whereas to appear simply signifies THE PRESENCE of that spirit.

Lastly, a spirit can't MATERIALIZE without having complete human body.

If they become humans , Angels of Noah's day won't have born giants or Nephilims, aren't they humans, They should have given birth to normal men like human?


Sense is above you.

So to you the Nephilims are NOT ACTUALLY HUMAN.

Well this is what your lying organization has to say "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

Who is lying between you and your organization?

Even from that article, your organization lies that the Nephilims were destroyed/wiped out during the global flood leaving no more Nephilim, whereas, in Number 13:31-33 Nephilims were saw in the land where the Israelites spy visited.

Below is the screenshot of the article....

Is it Materialized angels that gave birth to them too?


When I say you people lack scriptural knowledge, I have my reasons.

Where is your thinking faculty ? Did Thomas touch blood! ?

He said touch the WOUNDS . showing its a broken skin , deep cut.

Wound definition :


1. an injury to living tissue caused by a cut, blow, or other impact, typically one in which the skin is cut or broken.

Cut or broken indicates presence of blood in a human skin.

When a wound is dressed, blood doesn't come out?

Where in the scripture was stated that Thomas finally touched Christ?

Also, you're among the people Atheists see to abuse Christianity as people who don't use their brain.

Jesus has died for 3days, where have you seen a dead body even over ten hours not to talk of a whole 3days bleeding before

I must save this post...i said it awake and watchtower have blocked your brain.

"They would have become like Him to See." Read

Why this statement if they were ignorant like you to believe what they saw is what Jesus looked like?

Please, try to hide your face in shame!

How can you openly lie and twist scripture like this

Does that verse say "THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE HIM to see Him Oh my God!

You people don't have a single shame...how can you blatantly lie against scripture just to suit your selfish self?

I challenge you to show everyone here the scripture where is was written that "THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE HIM TO SEE"

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. NIV

Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory]. AMP

Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be.
We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. NWT

No doubt from these versions that it's until Christ appears that Children of God will see Him for who He is and be like Him.

Another false doctrine of your organization to be exposed from this verse is that the address is for ALL CHILDREN OF God...yet your organization claimed Christ has come in 1914. How many people see Him when Christ appears in 1914?

Idiot...diverting attention to another thing...
You agreed that Jesus posseses FLESH...After I burst your bubble about the Leviticus you've been shouting that THE LIFE OF FLESH IS IN THE blood...now you've to come out from baseless angle.

Everyone reading here can see how myopic you are.

Barristter07:
Lets enlighten you a bit. When the Bible speak of humans , the expression " Flesh and BLOOD " is used because an human body life can only be sustained by Blood.

Agreed.

Then If Jesus Materialized Body has no blood, He wasn't human

Then it means HE DIDN'T MATERIALIZE because to MATERIALIZED means to FULLY become HUMAN...

You can see how lost you are here...

Now let's visit the account at John again . When Jesus ask Thoman to touch his scars and wound. A human wound or scar , nail holes would be bleeding Blood , because of it's make up. Just as Jesus human body bleed blood when tortured by the Romans


But in this account, Do you see anything like Bleeding wounds ? What Thoman touched was Materialized body.

Olodo rabata...how can injury bleed for a whole 3 days, is that how you bleed when you sustain injury Is that what you were taught in school?

Years later, John who was present at the scene wrote.


1 Jn 3:2 " now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is."

Jesus Spirit form was never beheld by anyone of them, and that's what they look forward to.

He won't have said this if they are ignorant like you to conclude what appeared to them was what Jesus looked like .

A lost soul is talking about someone is ignorance.
This verse exposed many wrong doctrines of your lie organization:

Yet your lie organization said Jesus has appeared INVISIBLY in 1914 when the Bible says "When He shall APPEAR... we shall SEE HIM just as He is"

Hairyrapunzel:
Did Jesus Christ have flesh and bones after resurrection? Answer the question abi shame dey catch you?

He agreed with me that Jesus has FLESH but still in his delusion that it's not actually real Jesus.

This is the point I actually want and I've gotten it

"he was flesh at that moment he materialized"

My further reply is just to expose your ignorance the more...

Barristter07:
It's beyond your grasp ,

Matthew 15:17 is still there. if Christ is Human, after eating , What happen to the food ?

#Question tagged M1

Or beyond your stupidity.

Emphasis on " at that very moment "

That doesnt mean the Angel is actually human.

But the angel must ACTUALLY be a HUMAN within that time frame...

isn't it

@Red , Same applies to Jesus, he was flesh at that moment he materialized . that doesn't mean that's he is actually human

Now you agreed Jesus was a FLESH at that very moment and you've been shouting that the life of FLESH is in the BLOOD, shouldn't there be a BLOOD running in those MATERIALIZED bodies Confused idiot...

But Jesus told His disciples that "It is I myself" Why would Jesus lie when He knew He was not the actual Human To extend that He said, "touch me and see for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see me have"

Your knowledge is so low, why the prophecy if materializing can produce Blood for forgiveness of sins?[quote]Shallow knowledge, the Woman and the Devil are in the scene, so the prophecy is that as the Devil deceived the woman, an OFFSPRING of the woman will defeat the Devil, which need a product from the woman to fulfill.

You need Bible study, stop brainwashing yourself with awake and watchtower.

[quote]Leviticus 17:11 the Life of ANY FLESH is in the Blood .

A Materialized flesh, its life doesn't depend on blood ... It was a just a tangible appearance. The manifesting spirit doesn't need blood for survival like EARTHLY beings.

See how confuse you are:

1. the life of ANY FLESH is in the blood
2. Jesus and angels materialized IN FLESH...
3. Yet there own FLESH doesn't need blood to function...then it's obvious they can't be alive since there's no BLOOD that holds LIFE


The irony of it all is that, you don't believe a spirit reside inside the flesh, how come this their FLESH can now function without blood?

Finally, you shot yourself in the leg by claiming "The manifesting spirit doesn't need blood for survival like EARTHLY beings."

I've proven it to you that to MATERIALIZED means to become human at that very moment which means their flesh must operate and become fully EARTHLY BEING, that's why they can eat like human does.

So, for them to operate under this earthly new material, it means their spirit was COVER with the earthly flesh.

This is what you're trying to subscribe to but unfortunately you don't believe in spirit dwelling in human flesh...

Dead point, after saying this he went ahead to EAT ... If he was human, would he visit the toilet or not ?

Further reference to the angel saying he was a Man to Manoah

But you just agreed that he was FLESH at that very moment, isn't FLESH conote that He was fully human

Will those angel also visit the toilet

You think you're discussing with your hall people.

I though you said SAME BODY he died In ? Why transformation again confused human being

Jesus said not me...He even challenge them to come and touch, it's JWs that denied that fact.

Blood is LIFE of an human , a materialized person isn't human and needs no blood to survive .

Liar then materialized didn't take place if they aren't FULLY human (EARTHLY BEING).

But how come can they eat and drink if they weren't human

You keep dipping yourself into more wahala...

Barristter07:

Those activities proved he was mortal . sucking his mothers BREAST was for survival, Just as pooing.

To say he still poo after his resurrection is to declare him a Mortal who still needs to defecate in other to SURVIVE .

So those Angels and Jehovah are also mortal that need to defecate in other to survive during that period.

Barristter07:
You still scared of answering, its a vital question : Matthew 15:17 - If Jesus is a man, after eating , do you accept he would visit the Toilet ?

U don enter am

Scare on a senseless question...

Human has Flesh, Bone and BLOOD. Olodo

For Jesus to declare the above proved the body was materialized. A materialized body doesn't Have Blood. Blood serves the purpose of life to any FLESH . - Lev 17:11

A materialized body doesn't need blood to survive, it lacks that life giving substance.

But a MATERIALISED body means it becomes HUMAN Being, how will it survive if there's no blood there for short time spent?

The issue is not if Manoah knows or not, since we are dealing with someone TELLING or ANSWERING something based on what others SEE

The Angel was seen as HUMAN BEING not knowing he's a spirit being and the Angel didn't bother to correct their view since that's not the subject matter

Unlike the case of Jesus who died and suddenly appeared to His disciples and with human knowledge a dead person can only be seen as a spirit Jesus has to correct their perception that HE'S NOT WHOM THEY THINK HE WAS as a spirit but the same person who has been with them for a very long time.

The verse is very self explanatory but only a lying JWs will twist.

An angel SAID He was a Man , why?

Was the question is whether he is a man or a spirit?

Again, is the angel not a man at that very moment if he materialised idiot...

O ma se o.

English is your problem . to appear VISIBLE Is to be MATERIAL. You yourself said they are invisible until they appear Material, for what purpose ? To be visible

@Red , appear

I can see how you omitted the part "BODILY FORM"

For something to MATERIALISED it means it has materials properties not just like an image display on wall. If angel materialised as human it means he possessed everything that makes human.

In fact this is the reason your organization believe there some falling angels who materialised/become human and slept with daughters of men in Genesis before the flood.


Can you see your life when you're holding unto a confuse doctrines...your reasoning becomes shamble..

if materialising makes those angels BECOME human, Christ won't need to be born from a woman. Does that help you ?

Yet you believe some Angels became human and slept with daughters of men in pre-flood....olodo

Also, Christ must be born of a woman because it's a prophecy and if angel can materialised, why can't Jesus become human without being born

and that's the same body he died in ? U must be sleeping when you typed that


Mr , The Body he died in Has Blood flowing in it . How come this FLESH doesn't have Blood if it wasn't a Materialized one ? - Lev 17:11

Tell Jesus that He's sleeping when he said..."IT IS I MYSELF...touch me and see for spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see me have"

A transformed body will function without blood, that's why Apostle Paul said...not all will die but be transformed...

How can the materialised body has flesh and bones and doesn't have BLOOD?

Barristter07:
am still waiting for you to muster up courage and face the question: If Jesus was human , when he ATE In front of the disciples, Do you accept he would visit the Toilet ? Matthew 15:17

Thrash....

That's what they SEE man. Doesn't mean THATS who he is .

If not because the spirit of your father devil is inside you, you wouldn't have spew this nonsense.

Is it what they see or what Jesus corrected them for

The statement of Jesus Christ is that, you think I'm a spirit but see spirit doesn't have FLESH AND BONES on lunch human has that.

An angel appeared to Manoah and his wife at Judges 13:11 . the discussion went thus

" Manoah got up and followed his wife. When he came to the man, he said, "Are you the man who talked to my wife?" "I am," he said. "

he said " I AM " , He is a Man in the actual sense ?

Then when he ate what they offer him as a man, which toilet did he go? Mr confusion...Manoah

When you lack wisdom and knowledge ability to decipher scripture...did Manoah know he was an angel before address him as a man?

U see your life. To materialize is not to BECOME . but to appear VISIBLE .

Dictionary's are there to help you

I wanted to insert dictionary meaning before but I said let me wait to see what you'll say and finally you didn't disappoint only to show your delusions the more.

BRITISH DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS FOR
MATERIALISE
materialize materialise
verb
Derived Forms
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper 
to come into perceptible existence; appear; become actual or real; be realized or carried out:
Our plans never materialized. 1
to assume material or bodily form; become corporeal:
The ghost materialized before Hamlet. 2
to give material form to; realize:
to materialize an ambition. 3
to invest with material attributes:
to materialize abstract ideas with metaphors. 4
to make physically perceptible; cause (a spirit or the like) to appear in bodily form. 5
to render materialistic . 6
(intr) to become fact; actually happen:
our hopes never materialized 1
to invest or become invested with a physical shape or form 2
to cause (a spirit, as of a dead person) to appear in material form or (of a spirit) to appear in such form 3
(intr) to take shape; become tangible:
after hours of discussion, the project finally began to materialize 4
physics to form (material particles) from energy, as in pair production"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialise

Let me tutor you how the word MATERIALIZE was derived: Every physical things in our universe is said to be MATERIAL....why spirit and invisible things never classify as MATERIAL...So for a spirit or an invisible things to be classify as MATERIALIZE it means, it BECOMES/TOOK ON material properties.

Go and educate yourself Mr man before you come online.

Flesh and Blood cannot inherit Gods kingdom.

E get Blood like the one he died in ?

But you didn't read it in your Bible where Apostle Paul said, not everyone will die but will be TRANSFORMED.

Besides, Jesus statement read FLESH AND BONES not flesh and blood...


You need scriptural tutor not online debate

Barristter07:
You are only making noise. And it won't get you anywhere, The Issue here is that FORM they saw . Is it Materialized or Not ?

The answer to your question was well addressed by Christ Himself..."Spirit does not have flesh and bones as YOU SEE ME HAVE"

The angels that appeared to Abraham Materialized, so the idea of a toilet is INVALID

Imagine, using the word MATERIALIZED to deceive your fellow...

Do they become human and still remain angel or only become fully human?

I know you won't find it easy to answer because you don't believe spirit lives inside the body

so you can't eat your cake and have it as well.

Did Jesus Materialize too ? If Yes, Good

If No, Do you accept he would visit the toilet ?



" Don't you know that whatever goes into the mouth goes into the stomach and then into a toilet? " Matthew 15:17

Jesus didn't appear in human form but resurrected with the same human body He died with...that's what He clarified to His disciples who mistook Him for a SPIRIT the statement of Jesus denying being a spirit is visible to blind and open to open-minded person.

Barristter07:
Likewise Christ correct the apostles perception that they are seeing a spirit,

CORRECTED something they already have the notion of

Olodo....

whereas They should See he his in Human form. Emphasis on " What they saw " . Is not a spirit but mankind form .

Say that to your GB and your fellow JWs to swallow...
In human FORM yet says "IT IS I MYSELF" and even said SPIRIT DOESN'T HAVE FLESH AND BONE as you see me have.

Like I said earlier, only a dishonest person and someone with devil heart will read such statement from Christ and give it opposite meaning.

Let's now confirm if that Form is materialized or not

The form Jesus came with can be seen from Christ statement Himself, "IT IS I MYSELF" and "SPIRIT doesn't have flesh and bones as YOU see ME HAVE"

Matthew 15:17 is still there for you to ponder on

If an human ate according to Jesus, would he visit the Toilet or not ?

Let's ponder on it together....
When Jehovah visited father Abraham and ate with him, which toilet did Jehovah use, that of Russell or the one in your house

That's the question.

Janosky:
lying Pharisee wey no know him Bible (if he has one).

See this deluded person accusing me of not knowing my Bible

Mary Magdalene saw Jesus impaled with cuts,nail marks on his body.(John19:25. Matt12:39,40)
She was @the tomb sobbing and saw two angels (one of them is the resurrected Jesus - John 20:11-14).

Had it been you know your Bible more than watchtower or Awake, you wouldn't have committed this blunder.

Two Angels were INSIDE the sepulchre which Mary spoke with and after spoken with them she TURNED before Jesus appeared to her but because watchtower lie has blindfolded your mind to believe that the Rising Lord is an Angel, you have to bring that here in other to disgrace yourself.

After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. John 20:14 NWT

She was the first person who the resurrected Jesus first appeared to (john20:14-16) and spoke with .
v14:
"she turned around and saw Jesus standing there but she did not know that it was Jesus"

** Questions for you

Mr man ,why did Mary Magdalene not know Jesus voice / his materialized body?

John20:14,19,26 did Mary Magdalene and Jesus apostles see the same body of the resurrected Jesus?

Until you prove further that you know your Bible more than watchtower and awake should you engage me.

Hairyrapunzel:
So you teach that Jesus Christ entered another humans body after resurrection? Lol

That's the lie they were taught in their hall

NOTE: Not just BODY but BODIES meaning Jesus used more than one body to appear to His disciples...

Barristter07:
I hope you will be able to defend this thing you started.

Just as you're unable to defend anything you post...

Going by the Bold, when some angels appear to Abraham , The scripture address them as " MEN " Why would the scripture address them as MEn, when they are not men ? Did Scripture Lied ?

Start showing your wack interpretation again, the account of Abraham is a narration and FIRST PERCEPTION of Abraham based on what he saw, why didn't Abraham address them as MEN when he finally knew the kind of person they were?

This is different from Jesus who openly corrected the wrong notion of His disciples seeing Him as SPIRIT like how you see Him today?

Or I can also ask you, why did Apostle Paul still address Jesus as MAN? Was he lying?

Concerning that account from where you quote the statement , it continues :

" He said to them : ' Do you have something there to EAT ?' So they handed him a piece of broiled fish , and he took it and ATE before their eyes ' " - Luke 24:41-43

If the scenario above is not Materializing, here is what will occur in Jesus own words

" Are you not aware that whatever ENTERS INTO the Mouth passes through the stomach and is discharged into the sewers " - Matthew 15:17

Since Jesus ate, Are you agreeing he will go to the TOILET ?

SMH....not only toilet...he will also poo in your mouth so that it can reset your brain...

When Jehovah visited Abraham, is it Charles Russell's Toilet that He used or your house toilet

Thinking a self acclaimed intelligent person can spew this thrash is one of the seven wonders of the JWs.

Did Jesus not clarify He was not A SPIRIT in that verse That was the quotation!

Attacking straw man as usual.

Maximus69:
I will only teach you this once because i paid for this knowledge and wisdom by putting off the pride in me!
Angels are spirits,this mens they are higher form of life,they can travel even faster than light,because they're able to suppress weight and manage space. An angel can manage to became as little as a spec of sand, can also become as huge as a planet, can appear and disappear at will. All these is impossible for man because our whole being is locked up in just one structure which is the visible body everyone knows with us. So if an angel wants to appear to you he can come up with any form to suit his purpose,that is why the snake in Eden and Ballam's donkey could speak it is the handiwork of spirit beings.
So MATERIALISED BODY is whatever form they design to become visible for your eyes to SEE and be aware of their presence Sir! JWs taught me but if you disagree please teach me better understanding. God bless you!

You keep exposing your fraudulent doctrines thinking you're making sense...

Now if Angel can become as little as a spec of sand and huge as planet, will you say he is just an Angel only or just sand/planet only

OR

He is both sand/planet and Angel?

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir,everybody can read the Bible as it's written in different languages that's available but there is one thing that makes it difficult for many to grasp. Jesus sent his followers out to PREACH and TEACH the word! Here is where the comer lies, that means there are those given the SPIRIT of interpretation and if you're not taught by these ones you can never become an equipped teacher of the word!
There are different religious groups teaching so many various ideas about Jesus{the main character to focus of the whole scriptures} some even taught people with supporting videos that Jesus was GAY,some claims he was having an affair with Mary Magdalene and so many nonsense and ingredients! If you travel outside Africa you'll hear so many things from these same white people who brought this book here,as they read and give different interpretations of it.
So wake up from this your 'villageman' African mentality to ascertain those whom Jesus is using as his present day disciples!
What you're saying was taught by some religious leaders and it has stuck in the brains of billions,the same thing is applicable to what i am saying, so if you're convinced that what you have is the TRUTH then go out there and teach your neighbours instead of coming on social media to argue with anger!

Stylishly dodging my questions and attacking a straw man...

How does what you posted answer my questions or address those points I raised?

Imagine, I should leave social media whereas you spend more than half of your day on social media defending lies.

Maximus69:
If only you know what wonders spirit beings can do to suit any purpose of theirs! When Elijah had encounter with God,he[God] appeared in different forms and at last the Bible said God wasn't even in any of those things Elijah saw! 1King 19:11,12 Surely it is angels that God sent to do all of that[ Exodus 13:21 compare to 14:19]yet Elijah is hearing the voice of God!
So when you hear SPIRIT know that they can arrange anything as in ANYTHING to prove a point yet they only used such means purposefully because it's within their capability! Jesus is alive as a spirit being once again not as flesh but Thomas who has suffered all the humiliation and abuses for being with the Christ needed to be convinced so that he too could be bold enough to teach others about the resurrected Jesus!
So Jesus would do everything possible to strengthen his friend!
Regarding the resurrection of Jesus and his born again brothers Paul said 'they died and were buried in the flesh but resurrected in spirit form'! 1Corinthians 15:44-47
Jehovah's Witnesses,thank you ooooo!

Just imagine, now for you to defend your lies, you have to attribute the power of God to Angel...yet you people will say God isn't omnipotent...now you are here claiming a Spirit can do ANYTHING.

Liars everywhere....yet when Jesus appeared to them the Bible recorded it that the disciples THOUGHT they have seen SPIRIT but how did Jesus convince them that what they saw isn't actually SPIRIT? The Bible also provided answer when Jesus said.. "But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit. So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.” Luke 24:37-39 NWT

It's only a liar and dishonest person that will read such from the scripture and concluded that Jesus lied to his disciples and deceived them.

Anyway, you people are trained to defend your organization not seeking the truth...nevertheless we'll be hitting you people with the truth of the scripture until Jesus comes.

TATIME:
So even when Jesus said "fear those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul,rather fear him who can destroy both BODY and SOUL in Gehenna" Emusan couldn't grasp that the body differs from the real personality [SOUL]

Had it been you have shame, you and your brother would have hidden your faces some where...because you couldn't see the gravity of his own statement as it exposes your evil doctrines.

He said when someone's PERSONALITY is gone it means the person is insane...now you claimed SOUL is the REAL PERSONALITY of person

NOTICE the word "GONE"

Only to went ahead to quote scripture where Jesus said "fear the one who has power to destroy both body and soul (real personality) in hell"

It means doctors who can inject people to go mad can actually kill the SOUL whereas Jesus lies to have said no one can kill the soul.

Again, your twisted tongue forgotten that you have said it on this same forum that Jesus statement means Body and soul are the same thing...just to prove that nothing survives after death.

Also, you called SOUL the REAL PERSONALITY which is actually different from Body...what is the different between PERSONALITY and PERSON

You can see how you finally agree with people who say, human soul is the REAL PERSON that just lives in the BODY...but because you must defend watchtower you can continue to twist scripture as you like.