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Maximus69:
Humility will help you a lot Sir!

Has it helped you?

According to JWs the body of a person is NOT the personality.

According to JWs not what you know, can you see where your problem lies?

Also, Is personality a being or what Why can't you answer simple question

How do i mean? Of course if a person is sane you will be able to relate perfectly with him/her but if he/she lost sanity, then the whole body is empty because the PERSONALITY is gone!

Where does this PERSONALITY go to?

The same thing happens at death, the dead body of a billionaire and that of a pauper means the same thing when laid nakedly on the floor.

Off point....

Neither Michael nor Gabriel can you recognise[ Luke 1:19] because they only appear to people in materialised bodies but the personalities differs. Daniel 10 :12,13 & Jude 9[/qupte]

Off point....

This PERSONALITY you're talking about, is it their spirit or a being...because everyone knows the meaning of PERSONALITY.

*Your personality is different from mine...this is about behavior or character
*Human personality makes them different from animals....this is about nature

*Gabriel and Michael have different personalities....this is about behavior or character
*Gabriel and Michael are of the same personality...this is about their Nature.

[quote]So at death Jesus' body is gone as the SACRIFICE for sin but his personality as an intelligent spirit being remains,

See how dubious you are, now you include INTELLIGENT SPIRIT when you're just hammering on the word PERSONALITY since...

So is this Jesus' personality a spirit of him or just behavior or character of him?

At least you cited example of personality in mad person

one can deduce from your post that you're stylishly saying something actually survived in human after death but because of the lies of JWs that nothing survives you resorted to twisting.

therefore he can materialise or dematerialise to suit any purpose he wishes! This is easy and simple,even Satan and his demons knows all of these facts and they can't deny it so stop arguing over nothing Sir!

Was it his personality that does it or his spirit?

Also, you said something about THE SAME BODY which you've kept under the carpet now...What is the same BODY of Jesus Christ that you're talking about?

BOOOMNAIJA:
WHY CAN'T OUR SENATE BUILDING JUST COLLAPSE LIKE THIS WHILE ALL THE SENATORS ARE PRESENT.....WHY MUST THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN TO INNOCENT PEOPLE.....

because senate and Aso villa were built to conform with British Building Standard...why you and some Nigerians can't build according to British Building Standard

Maximus69:
So between the body and the personality which is the REAL person?

Does personality a being?

Jesus saying 'That is i myself' means it is the same body or the same personality/intellectual Sir?

The truth always prevails @colored...see how you short yourself in the leg...please which SAME BODY are you referring to here?

Is personality/intellectual a being on its own?

So Jesus never lied,any angel can come with different materialised body yet the being is the same person! Gabriel is an angel different from Michael yet you can't identify them unless they mention the NAME to make you know the one appearing to you in the materialised body! JWs na Baba abeg!

So if Angels appeared in human form, was their spirit-being inside the human body or they completely become a human being and change back to Angel again?

TATIME:
Just tell him to go preach and teach people what he knows after all he thinks he knows how to defend it!

And to think only JWs are the one going out to preach is the most dishonest statement of all.

You expect me to be shouting up and down like JWs before you'll know I preach out to people...

Lastly, the whole essence of your going out to preach is to proof to people how learn you are...smh

Maximus69:
You're on point Sir,that means if Jesus later appear to anyone after the sacrifice,then the body they're seeing is NO MORE the same that was nailed to the stake because that is the Sacrifice that takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29
Ransom~that which is paid to free someone from slavery or execution.
Sacrifice~ animal killed or material given to pacify the one to whom we're indebted!
Hence JWs concludes that Jesus death is tantamount to a RANSOM SACRIFICE paid to redeem mankind!

What happened to the bodies Jesus was using to appear

No wonder you people can comfortably twist the statement of Jesus Christ in Luke when we read

"But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. NIV

"But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit.
So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have." NWT

Why would Jesus say, it is I MYSELF when He knew the body He appeared with not actually the original one?

Again, this statement will make Jesus a liar, if he can confidently tell his disciples "THAT IS I MYSELF" when he is not.

It is evident that you're not a truth finder rather you're just an advocate of JWs who has been trained to defend the organization.

Maximus69:
First of all neither the JWs nor the other old Pastor owns me but Jesus, so my assignment is to listen attentively to both side who are claiming they belong to my master Jesus yet contradicting one another.

This is where your problem lies, you're not to listen to any parties but only the WORD OF GOD first then you can discern the truth for yourself.

Jesus is the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE nobody can get God's everlasting blessings except through Jesus.

You can see the essence of what I said above, the Bible says "Jesus is the WAY, the Truth and The Life; no ones GET to the Father except through Him"

But since your organization has raised you as a soldier to defend them not THE WORD OF GOD, you can boldly rewriting the scripture just to suite yourself.

But when there is contradictions,then i must calmly examine both sides without being biased.

You're not biased yet what you're doing all over NL is defending JWs, is that unbiased to you?

Secondly what i've seen and experienced on NL has strengthened my former wavering trust in JWs organization, so it's not you that will tell me what to do Sir,already i've just concluded that i'm one of the JWs!

Then why do you want to force everyone to come to same view of yours?

People joined Nairaland and have their view change or strengthen, why are you shouting up and down.

My advice for you is to go and tell your Pastor to help you muster up courage to go out and face REAL JWs unlike his fabricated cartoons that has nothing to do with reality! I have spoken with JWs and you are a deeperlife member.

What of those real JWs we faced and ran away

In fact I remember asking an elderly JWs.

"If Holy Spirit is a force, how can He hear and speak according to the scripture?"

Funny enough the man doesn't even know such statement was in the Bible...talkless of providing answer to it.

Certainly if i join Deeperlife i'll just be posting cartoons like you're doing right now, i'll not be able to defend my faith with efficacy from the scriptures! Now i can testify to where sincerity, honesty, boldness and competence could be found!

So you mean, it's only cartoon you see the OP post always?
What a dishonest statement...

Maximus69:
Hmmm, From Janosky's post i can discern that Jesus purposely brought a body that would convince (DOUBTFUL) Thomas that he has been resurrected!

So Jesus PURPOSELY DECEIVED Thomas and other disciples by bringing FAKE BODY to show them....

Actually, Satan is a very deceptive being...

Another thing, if Jesus actually appeared to his disciples with different bodies...then it means Jesus sacrificed His body more than once.

If angels appeared to Abraham,Jacob and Lot. If those angels ate PHYSICAL food before them and they can touch those angels, surely any other angel can equally materialise or dematerialize for a purpose!

Are you saying Jesus turned back to Angel after He was resurrected?

So Jesus never brought in those wounds to prove before all his disciples that he has been resurrected but to help only one person,and that is Thomas who said 'unless i stick my finger into those nail wounds,i won't believe' John 20:25

So why will Jesus brought back a body if the body doesn't belong to him anymore?

You can see the lie of your organization being exposed here...yet you people will say "you can't get whatever you've sacrificed back" but to support your devilish doctrine you have to agree that Jesus can get the same body back to deceive Thomas.

God will have mercy on you people....

What is integrity?

Integrity is when PRESIDENT Buhari went to Kano to endorse the corrupted Ganduje and people of no integrity voted against Ganduje because of corruption.

Don't ask me how I know, ask any APC supporters....

Integrity is when PRESIDENT Buhari went Kano to endorsed corrupted Gov Ganduje and the same Kano people rejected Ganduje because of corruption....

Don't ask me how I know, ask APC supporters...

What's with air crash and the month of March

jesusjnr:
Does this your view also apply to nairaland?

So you that joined NL less than a year thought Atheism is increasing....laughing at you...

If NL Atheist is increasing you will see majority of oldest Atheists here but as it is now, you'll hardly see one and those who still available have their view change.

Rilwayne001:
You're veering off the main argument now. Like I said earlier, age is not specified as regards marriage in islam, what the Sharia state is whenever the parties are physically, financially and emotionally ready for it. Since age is not specified, we can then from our societal norms and cultures develop our own age of physically and emotionally fit for marriage.

Thsi^ is not too hard to comprehend I suppose.

Whether age is specified isn't an issue the issue is as Theist who believes morality is objective.

Do you think a sovereign God will command a man of 54years to marry a girl of 9 years in any culture or any age?

Muhammad could have solved this issue for Muslims if it comes under human error like the case of Lot in the Bible but unfortunately he claimed Allah is the very One that endorsed the marriage.

As a level 5 Google Local Guide I was officially invited for a seminar in US....

Janosky:
1 cor 15:20 ,44.
Christ has been raised up from the dead.. It is sown a physical body (Christ died in the flesh) but raised up a spiritual body (risen with a spirit body)
Jesus was raised a spiritual body

"Made alive in the spirit, na fleshly body be that?
Pharisees carm.org had to lie that the flesh is imperishable body.
Spiritual fraudsters dey form Christian.
Pls explain Heb10:10. Eph5:2& John 6:51

As usual, following the foot step of your organization hiding the truth with (...) Whereas, both 1 Corinthian 15:20&44 talk about different issues.

Now, if 1 Corin 15:44 is a model for resurrection that will be experienced by man, are you saying they will have SPIRITUAL BODY like that of allergy Christ spirit body?

Bizibi:
even here in wuse 2,everyone voted for atiku.....people in abj are not happy with buhari at all.

I don't think APC will win a single PU in FCT
Bwari Area Council is cleared for PDP reporting live from Kubwa

Donmedra:
What did buhari do to fct people?

We know much than what the rest of Nigerians didn't know. If APC get up to 20% in FCT Abuja they should be happy.

stanleyravos:
if atiku is winning 4 LGA in Ibadan out of 9 then buhari should watch his back

PDP won OYO state by 60% live from Fresh.FM

PDP won OYO state by 60%

If Abuja election cancelled and rescheduled 20 times I don't think APC will still win a single PU.

We don't condole nonsense in Abuja

nwabekeyi:
I really do not know if the bible has backing for spheroid or flat earth theory.
If anyone has scripture verses that explains the global earth model, you can share.

I really want to know what believers think about the flat and the global model form of earth....


Which do you support based on your belief and what it apparently evident?

Bible is a book you can make it says what you want it to say.

The message of the Bible is salvation to the world...

stanliwise:
Excuse me as much as I am strong believer of Christ. I wouldn't dengerate to proving the power of my God using the so-called prophesy just like other Christians who are desperate for any sign of miracle. However OP got his predictions, good for him, nothing is new.

Then who told you that he's using the prophecy to prove the power of his God?

You said he didn't tell us the NAME of his God, now that I showed you where he mentioned Jesus Christ which indicates that He's a Christian you come with another useless excuse.

If you're jealous pack well sir...

stanliwise:
I tire for people o
He said God told him but he didn't tell us the name of the God.

So it means you didn't read his next reply when he said "accept Jesus Christ today"
Is it a Muslim that'll tell you to accept Jesus Christ or sango worshipper?

They claimed they're wise yet became fool's....

adekayo1234:
Same way some people argued incorrectly that link doesn't change even after a post is edited, why are they quiet now

So, are you telling me you remember the title of every thread you've come across verbatim over the past 1 year?? Thinking is not that hard if you keep an open mind.

It's people like you that one false prophet will extort after he's prophesied death to your life. You better wake up and stop being gullible

Mr it's very obvious you're the one who don't think.

After your first point has been rendered useless, you come with another excuse.

Mind you, your claim was that the OP edited the title to suit the date unfortunately you also couldn't reason that he said 6DAYS...

Yet you can't ask simple question, why 6DAYS after the OP has heard the news of 7DAYS/ONE WEEK?

adekayo1234:
Lol... It's not that hard to spot a liar. Why was the next poster asking for the new date??

He probably predicted the postponement, but the 6 days part was edited.
And btw, I could also edit a thread I created 5 years ago to display a new topic. All I need to make it credible is few leading comments.

Op however shot himself in the foot when the next poster asked for the new date.
Think bro just think, otherwise you can also join the growing list of the people sending mails to the op for revelation

My point is centred on the underlined & bolden part.

Now you're asking why did s/he ask about the new date but to your deluded mind...that same person was still active on this thread as we're talking said the OP was right and never edited the topic.

Yet you're claiming to be a follower of Christ.

adekayo1234:
I've watched with keen interest as events unfold here and l will like to correct some erroneous beliefs after personal observation.

The problem with my people is that they fall prey easily to deceptions because of their mental laziness and their gullibility.

Links do change, if you don't believe me, follow these steps
1. Look for an old thread you've created in the past and click on modify
2. B4 clicking modify, copy the page URL and paste it somewhere
3. After clicking "modify" change the topic of the thread to whatever you like and submit
4. Refresh the page and you'll notice a change in the URL

While the Op might have predicted correctly the postponement of the election, it's not impossible that he could have edited the topic

NB: I'm a Christian and I believe in genuine prophecy but I've also learnt to use my head too

Good day

The problem with people like you is that you know the truth but never accept the truth.

This post was made A YEAR ago not 100years and most PEOPLE who commented at front page are still alive and have come out to say, the TITLE of the THREAD didn't change.

Yet you're here doing wrong analysis.

Why to accept the truth so hard for some people...what will you gain?

yetunsbay:
can u easily avail us d docs here

If by now you haven't seen Atiku manifesto documents, it means you're just following them say them say people.

Reason why I do say that we're not ready in this country for a good governance.

The man has released his manifesto since which is not common practice among politicians in this country

Goshen360:
They don't have to pass message accross in order to require interpretation.

So...where was it written in the scripture?

When we gather in a place of worship, prayer tongues WHICH NO MAN UNDERSTANDS should NOT BE PRACTICED unless there is one with gift of interpretation.

cite the source for this.

This is clear from scripture and this certainly is NOT THE SIGN TONGUE WHICH EVERY ONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND IN THE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

Show me where it was stated in the scripture that EVERY TONGUE MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN THE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

Let's start from there!

Goshen360:
What are you talking about ABOUT KNOWING THE BIBLE OR NOT?

Isn't that madness that folks be speaking in tongues IN A WORSHIP GATHERING AND NOT IN THEIR PRIVACY? Where is speaking in tongues permitted IN THE PUBLIC WITHOUT INTERPRETATION?

Are they passing message across as they're speaking in tongues for it to require interpretation?

Are you into hire purchase Toyota Camry /corolla?

A lot of APC and PDP supporters need this thread!

Do you have Toyota corolla/camry for hire purchase?

According to Nairaland Atheist scientists who acquired their certificate on Googleology, those 1000 scientists are creationists whose their work never recognized by mainstream scientists