₦airaland Forum

akintom:
Are you now one of the JW?

Are JWs not Atheist again according to your fundamental basis

akintom:
Metaphysical Science is obsolete now.
ICT is the illumination now.

Another dimension from Mr. Rational

wallbuilder:
As I write this, Fulani herdsmen inbarmy uniforms are attacking gidan ways in Kaduna south. Kaduna state govt please send help ASAP

~If only a southerner will understand that when rain is still falling in the South, rain has stopped fallen in North~ Adage by me!

angeltolly:
That one too don go be dat last last, if his party enters, they will build a memorial center and name it after him.



Dear Ondo State youths,
Olusola Oke, Eyitayo Jegede and Rotimi Akeredolu will be alive after tomorrow's election, make sure you are alive too. Life no get duplicate o




[size=30pt]Vote not fight [/size]

Let's leave Nairaland to go and vote jare

peacesamuel94:
It seems you are twisting the meaning of atheism to favour Your argument.

Arguments between, Christians and Atheists revolves around the existence of God.
Arguments between Christians and other religious Bodies revolves around the supremacy of The Christian God over other gods.


Let me spell it out: I DONT BELIEVE YOUR GOD EXISTS and I BELIEVE YOUR god EXIST BUT, IS NOT THE SUPREME GOD.
Are two different things entirely.

That's their life yet they will be thinking they're the most rational human on earth.

@bold-it's the same to Mr Rational

akintom:
Irrational

If you're a straight-A student and still you worry about failing all of your classes, you're being irrational. Your fears are not based on fact and not likely to come true.

Usually you use irrational to describe ideas and thoughts that are not based on reason, although emotions and behavior can be irrational too if they don't seem reasonable.

Do you jump onto a chair and scream when you see a mouse? If so, you have an irrational fear of mice, or musophobia.

If someone takes a swing at you for failing to say excuse me when you burp, both their anger and their actions could be called irrational.

Out of context statement. No time for this!

I know that the truth of the God idea, is to keep folks in [size=14pt]mental coma.[/size] To bound folks with fetters of irrational fears, so they could forever be victims of exploitation.

Lol...@bold-that's why I fist called you Mr. Rational because it's only Atheist who possesses the most rationality on earth when in reality they lack it.
Where did you obtain this your truth bikko

You're wrong. Exegetically speaking, as far as the matter of salvation and life after death is concerned, neither religion recognizes the existence of each other's God.

Olodo...go and learn more about religious people.
Have you heard where a Christian will say it was Devil who manifested as Angel of Light (Gabriel) to Muhammad Or a Muslim say it was the Devil who is deceiving Christians that Jesus is the Son of God

Please find one place to sit...claiming to be free from mental coma but actually the one who is stuck in the everlasting mental coma.

If xtian Christain says Allah is a lesser god, it does means that Muslims don't have bigger God. Making xtians Christian therefore, LACKING believe (atheism) in God that is Allah.

Your odoism is raised to gazillion
One more time for your enlighten, Christian don't deny the EXISTENCE of ALLAH rather they believe that ALLAH is one of the AGENT OF DARKNESS likewise Muslim don't deny the EXISTENCE of Christian God rather they believe that Christians have been polluted by the Devil.

The major thing here is EXISTENCE which Atheist never subscribed to.

The dialogue is about the intricate and inherent idiocy, that religious beliefs are.

No the dialogue is an irrational reasoning of an Atheist who think everybody is an Atheist when being an Atheist simply means disbelieve in an EXISTENCE of a God or gods whereas no religious person ever denied existence of any God or gods.

Besides, if everybody is an Atheist why do you so much enjoy creating different threads of preaching your Atheism to the so called these religious Atheists

You don't get it. As far as the fundamental basis of both religions are concerned, neither of the Gods exist. Particularly when you understand the exegesis of the fictional books that guides both of them.

No! called it your fundamental basis of Atheism not religions.
You still sound as a frustrated being, address me logically not out of frustration, OK!

What does it mean to EXIST? Let me start with you there.

Mr the most rational one.

I use to wonder how Atheists who tend to be the most rational ones do always come with irrational post

akintom:
Mr Muslim: Mr Christian, do you know you're an atheist?

Mr Christian: no I'm not an atheist.

Mr Muslim: you're, because you lack believe in Allah and his CHOICE prophet(Mohammad).

Mr Christian: yes, in that case, i will rather be an atheist, to the extent that i lack believe in your "inexistent Allah" and his prophet.

Mr Muslim: now you see, i told you, you're an atheist. You're even worst than the rational atheists, for all i care.

Mr Christian: the same goes for you too. You're are an atheist too. Because you lack believe in jehovah God and his ONLY begotten son (Jesus christ).
Your also worst, because of your extreme views.

Hmmmm.........religions and religious beliefs. What a ridiculous twist.

Not that you don't know the truth but because you have decided to be an advocate for the Devil, you can resort to any lie just to continue to propagate your campaign for him.

No Christian will ever deny the existence of Allah nor any Muslims deny the existence of Jesus but a Christian would rather say, Allah is a lesser god/agent of Devil not the Almighty or a Muslim would say Jesus is not God Almighty but just ordinary human.

But it's so sad seeing Atheists who always claimed to be the most rational people on earth using the line of their believe "The denier of the existence of God 'There is no GOD' nor spirit beings" contrasting with a religious people who believed the EXISTENCE of both Almighty God and the lesser gods.

In a nut shell, is it not height of foolishness to think everybody is an Atheist when the religious ones never deny the EXISTENCE of other religious gods whereas Atheism simply means disbelieve in an EXISTENCE of a God or gods.

Seun:
Before we go there, [size=14pt]we need to be sure that the witches are there.[/size] Fuel is expensive, you know. Please share your experiences with the witches.

How will you identify the witches and is there any device to detect witches please

jagugu88li:
I'm watching this threads with owl eyes.

That eyes must be very big

Present Prefect Progressive PrPG)

RULE: PrPG always means this action started in the past and has continued until now or almost until now. In other word it means the action has been happening overtime until now.

Example: I've been cleaning my house since 8:00 this morning
Segun has been writing a term paper titled "Wave"

John and Sodiq's hair is wet because they have been walking in the rain

How to make PrPG statement
Subject + have/has + been + verb-ing

E.g: Joseph has been thinking about getting another job
We've been studying verb tenses for so long that now we're going weird.

Negative statement of PrPG
Subject + have/has + NOT + been + verb-ing
E.g: I'm going to stay home from work today, I haven't been feeling well lately.
My car hasn't been running smoothly, I think I'll take it to the mechanic.

Question statement of PrPG
(Question word) + have/has + subject + been + verb-ing
E.g: Has freed been working all night? He looks tired.
Why have you been avoiding me?

NOTE: Simple rule for using PrPG.
*When an action started in the past and has continued until now:
1. Use PrPG for most verbs
2. Use PrPT + a length of time for STATIVE Verbs.

Example: Mrs. Murray has been teaching (not stative) SSS1 since she was 35 (PrPG)
Ever since he was child, Jim has believed (believe is a stative) in treating others kindly (PrPT)
Olu has been trying (not stative) to fix the microwave for hours
I have known(stative) Tolu since we were both twelve.

---

Past Perfect Tense PaPT
RULE: *This simply means that this action finished BEFORE something in the past*
Example: Joe had eaten dinner before he started his homework.
When Alice got home, Ralph had finished the food

How do I make PaPT statement?
Subject + had + verb past participle

E.g: Luck and Ester had worked at the Dangote sugar factory for only three years before they quit.
Bose and Lawal invited me to a dinner, but I said no because had already eaten.

Negative statement of PaPT
Subject + had + NOT + verb past participle
E.g: I felt nervous when I got to class because I had not done my homework
Maria was overjoyed to see her mother because she hadn't seen her for three months
Some stole Ralph's car because he had forgotten to lock the doors.

Question statement of PaPT
(Question word) + had + subject + verb past participle
E.g: Had you ever eaten Calabar food before coming to Cross River state?
William saw that Betty was crying after she talked to Bunmi, what had she told her?

NOTE: Simple Past Tense SPaT can replace PaPT, if it's already obvious that the action happened first.
*AFTER & BEFORE* show the action that happened first while *WHEN* doesn't really show that one action happened first.
Example: Seun had washed the dishes BEFORE Alice got home
Alice got home AFTER Seun washed the dishes.

Seun washed the dishes BEFORE Alice got home
Alice got home AFTER Seun had washed the dishes.

Seun washed the dishes WHEN Alice got home

NOTE: There's another time that we need to use PaPT instead of SPaT *when we use the word "by the time"* but it's not too common.
E.g: Joel had reached his office by the time the accident occurred.

akintom:
Oh oh oh...... What is the meaning of oyinbo atheists?

He means your God that African Atheists are worshipped.

And which particular "convincing material" are you referring to?

Am sure its the very paper, on which the outrageous and empty "question" is printed on.

So you know

Sorry for the long break guys!

Let's continue our study.

Today we're going to look at Past Progressive Tense (PaGT)

Rule: PaGT means that the action happened over time in the past

Example: I was studying all night for that history test.
Were you sleeping when I called?

How do I make PaGT?
If the subject is I, It, He or She: use WAS and if the subject is You, We, and They: use WERE

E.g Norton was watching TV when the microwave exploded.
Mary and I were sleeping when he came in.

Negative statement of PaGT
Was/Were + not + verb-ing
E.g When I woke up, I knew that it was still night time because the sun was not shinning.
It wasn't late before I discovered it was him.

Question statement of PaGT
(Question word) + was/were + subject + verb-ing
E.g Was Sunny cooking dinner when you called him last night?
What were you doing last night?

---

[ /hr]

Present Perfect Tense (PrPT)

Rule: Means the action started in the past and has continued until now with length of time.

How to make PrPT statements?
If the subject is You, We, I, They: use HAVE and if the subject is He, She, It: use HAS

Example: Raphael has won many football trophies.
I have often wondered why Lekan is always late.

Negative statement of PrPT
Have/Has + not + verb past participle
E.g I have not washed the dishes yet
Festus and Seun haven't seen each other since 2009
Malvin hasn't had an easy life

Uestion statement with PrPT
(Question word) + have/has + subject + verb past participle
Example: Have you seen the coach of super eagle?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where was she, when the boy left home?

[size=14pt]NOTE:[/size] *If you see PrPT used with a phrase that shows a length of time, then it must always mean that the action started in the past and has continued until now*

E.g Ralph and Alice have lived in their apartment since 2012
Lola has worked in the company for eleven years.
Have you lived in Calabar a long time?

Rilwayne001:
^^

I learnt about this before the last general election when GEJ in one of his campaign outing said "how much DID Jim Nwobodo STOLE?. Few weeks later someone came out to point out the blunder in the statement, that it should've been "How much DID Jim STEAL"

Well done OP

That's our ex-president for us!

cassidy1996:
Jehovah's Witnesses, they are never tired always out there trying to reach somebody. Under rain or sun

But what is the essence of going through these rigorous activities only to be dishing out lies to people

4kings:
So you are ruling out all possibilities of a natural theory to this case?

My post is as cleared as crystal!

How did I rule out natural theory here?2

4kings:
Beliefs affect your pattern of reasoning.
An atheist and a christian could be on a boat, when there is a heavy storm, assuming they both get out alive. I am sure you know what the christian would think, while the atheist would consider himself lucky.

Then we ask how does individual manage to survive

Two things are involved here:
1. The Christain might not know how to swim or haven't been to water side before but suddenly found him/herself at the bank of the river.
Then the christian will know that God's intervention saved him/her, that's why I said in my reply to the OP that Miracle simply means where man's ability ends God ability intervened. Before miracles occur the fellow is hopless, helpless and weak.

2. The Atheist might have been to water side and know how to swim thus leading to his survivor though this still has a limit but in a case where the Atheist experienced the first instance it is a miracle yet what the Atheist will do (if it's an adamant Athaist) he/she will begin to apply various natural theories just to justify it but an Atheist who knows reality in man's life will simply aknowledge the intervention of God.

4kings:
I'm not an atheist.

And yes, it's how your emotions are influenced. Whether by reason, emotional blackmail, influence from family and friends, or miracles experienced.

Ok!

But I disagree with your last phrase.

Miracles experienced aren't emotional but reality in man's life.

PH1stBorn:
Copy and past Op!
Every point posted here is far from the truth as far as Jehovah's witnesses are concerned...

Why can't you pick out those points that were raised by the OP which are far from truth

as a matter of fact, many so called Christian organization keeps on reeling misleading facts and information about Jehovah's witnesses.

As if it was the so called Christain organization that is helping JWs to publish their booklets like watchtower and awake.

Most importantly the website Jwfact.com is not in anyway related to the genuine website jw.org.

It was called FACT which means every point raised on the website was always supported by the very STATEMENTS of JWs themselves either from their publised booklets i.e watchtower and awake or from their own website.

[size=14pt]To be called a witnesses simply mean to live a life that is in accord to Godly standard and not that of man or any government standard.[/size]

Please where can one find this in the scripture
Besides, The Father and The Holyspirit witness about Jesus. Does it mean they are simply live a life in accord to godly standard

Its not by coercion but by personal decision to be bound by God's righteous standard as such there is no room for willful sinful tendencies.

Thank God you said it's by PERSONAL DECISION. So it means God is not against it.
By the way how can your personal decision be bound by God's righteous standard Are you setting standard for God or it's God that sets standard for you

Jehovah's witnesses working in all level of organizations, public or private display high level of honesty in their dealings in accord to God's righteous standard.

And other Christians don't do I guess

In all essence, they MUST put God first even in the point of death.. leading you to d roles of ELDERS who ensure strict compliance to such standard.

So it means every JWs are ELRDERS since everyone put God first, am I right?

The moment u derail willfully u are excommunicated. You dont expect them to allow Christian to keep sinning under the pretense of been "under the grace" just as others churches today do.

Now are you saying you're 100% righteous and don't use to sin

uzuede4:
Op, we do not label people 'satan's tool' like you insinuted. As Jehovah's Witnesses, we strive to live up to God' high moral standards. We are not men pleasers. What matters to us is to gain God' s approval.

We make decisions based on what we learned from the Bible. As the Bible advices, (1 Corinthians 5) we excommunite any who have chosen to live a life not in harmony with Bible standards.

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's a decision i made. No one is coerced to be one. When it comes to health matters, we must obey God as ruler rather than men. Remember Jesus said [size=14pt]"any who wants to save his life will lose it. But any who loses his life for his sake, will save it."

Saving our life in disobedience to God's law,[/size] does not guarantee ever-lasting life. But obedience to God does.

@bold-Please if you sick do you take drug

4kings:
Emotion

So, it's emotion that leads you to Atheism...

4kings:
Number of converts does not make the belief a fact.

Then let me ask ask you this, we have seen people converted from one religion to another i.e Atheist to Christianity, Christianity to Atheist; Islam to Christianity and vise visa e.t.c what is the missing link?

Jehovah witness and their wrong teachings

Their people will avoid this thread like a plague.

The funny part of it is that, if the questions are turned around can you provide answers to them?

When will Nairalander Atheists provide their own scientific evidences of natural world instead of relying on the white Atheists?

akintom:
Lines of acceptable evidence Needed to Support Claims of Existence of God/Gods as Valid:

But unfortunately Atheist seems to lack the understanding between spirituality and physical despite their claim to be the one who possesses world wide knowledge.

1). Provide evidence or logically demonstrate that an aspect of the natural world cannot be explained through natural means.

The simple evidence for this is that no man can confidently say that he/she knows the origin of matter.
While Bible provided the answer: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Heb 11:3 KJV

2). Provide archeological evidence that a deity has intervened in human history at any point.

Intervened in what way

3).Provide a logical argument that demonstrates God is mandatory for existence.

Because God is LIFE and from Him LIFE exists on earth and up till now no scientific explanation to the origin of LIFE, please don't come with the excuse of, since they don't know it now doesn't mean it can't be known in the future.

4). Provide a logical argument or demonstration which can determine which of the many varying descriptions and attributes of the god concept are man made and which are not.

There is no concept of God that is man made from Christian perspective.
Logically, if God exists and He brought creation into existence then there is nothing in creation that is beyond His power (Please don't derail this thread by coming with the argument of SATAN-GOD, if you want to do so, kindly open another thread and invite me) and again, God existence will be totally different from how creations exist.

5). Provide evidence that any religious writings or doctrines could not have been developed by man or man alone.

The reason why Bible isn't a man's idea is that, Bible always points to God-man relationship which means people do have personal encounter with God from ancient days till date which I'm a living testimony.

6). Verifiable evidence of a miracle occurring that has no reasonable natural explanation.

Of course that's where Atheist lack knowledge about the world. We are in the world and everything that happens, happened in the NATURAL world not in spiritual world if not you won't see it.

Even the word 'supernatural' has natural in it.
Miracle simply means where man's ability ends God ability intervened.
I have experienced miracle and by the grace of God, God has helped me to perform miracle. NOTE: I'm not a pastor nor do I own a church.
Now let me tell you one story:
There was a time in my hometown, there is this major road that links my hometown to another village. Just of a sudden, at one spot accident do frequently occur which has claimed more than 10 persons' life. People begin to wonder what could possibly be happening, people begin to ask different questions.
Then, about three different churches revealed that there is one particular stone in that area that has been bewitched and people should start praying that God should fight any demon sucking blood on that road.
The day God will proof His existence and power, it was like a dream. What happened? That day cloud began to gather, small time rain started falling. In the middle of the rain fall was a very great THUNDER, in fact nobody in my village that doesn't fell the impart of that THUNDER, I remember my Grandma said "wa ooo ibun ti dun" in Yoruba which means "The gun has sounded" and she began to praise God.
After the rain, News broke out that something great has happened, guess what? It was along that road. At the very spot where accident do occur, the stone that was there was broken into pieces as if they used dynamite to blast the stone.
Atheist might said well, somebody went and planted the dynamite to deceive the villagers but if God wants to do His things He doesn't do it without leaving an evident. The path the thunder follows before hitting the stone will be up to 1-2kilometer and guess what, ANYTHING ALONG THAT PATH BE IT TREE OR GRASS were uprooted and the path looked as if it was a Bulldozer that works there. And since that day till I left my hometown not a single case of an accident was reported on that road.

These are my questions:
1. Which heavy equipment do you thing man can use around 1990's that can grade a path of 1-2km in just one single strike of a thunder?
2. Why is that particular stone among other stones in that area that was affected?
3. Why does accident cease from that spot after that incident?

NOTE: This is an eyewitness story not them-say-them-say

7). Provide irrefutable Evidence that consciousness continues after all brain function ceases.

You want video from spiritual source right?

. Provide evidence that can demonstrate natural explanations for origins or development of humans such as scientific theories are false and that the existence of God is the only alternative explanation.

No scientific theory for the origin of LIFE that is plausible.
Or let's put it this way, provide evidence for the ORIGIN of LIFE that proves it wasn't from God.

9). Provide evidence of an event or phenomenon which can be shown to not be subject to the laws of physics.

As stated above!
Also, I have a lot of them but answer those questions above first.

10). Provide evidence that prayer actually changes outcome on a statistical consistent basis and provide statistical data that demonstrates that prayer to a certain God change outcomes at a higher rate than prayer directed at any other God, idol, or ancestor.

Which evidence do you people always talk about?

Like taking a camera to heaven and begin to camera how God answers prayers or what?

Author: Alan D. Griffin

Author: Emusan A.

najib632:
You know nothing...!

The funny part of it might be that you haven't even cross River Benue before.

I was just laughing at some people who sit in the comfort of their room somewhere in Meddle belt/South zone and typing all sort of things to support this great genocide committed by FG against the Shite but we in the North know the truth.

MissEdified:
Something needs to done about this path of the road. This is how motorists "swim" through the flood during heavy down pour at the Lagos- Abeokuta express way very close to Ilekpo market.


http://www.newshelm.com/2016/11/photos-diplorable-state-of-lagos.html

Na waooo I can't even remember the day rain stop falling here.

This Northern part sha

moneybugs:
ok email m.bugs4buz@yahoo.com for the price details and the demo account.

I have interest

keche7:
and what is bad about that?

It's like your own is coming soon

@Op congrats lopolopo

Pastafarian:
speaking unbiased truth with facts is now frustration?

you're much smarter than this

use the good brain FSM gave you

Yes your unbiased truth indicates that YOU HAVE GOD and acknowledge the existence of a God so this puts you in a religious group.

Stop wasting our time here.

Pastafarian:
FSM is not just MY God

[size=14pt]he's the one true God and evidence abound of him[/size] unlike some god that resides in a book and makes Israel his own people

The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't need anybody to worship him unlike the fake god that needs arse licking always

FSM shits on Yahweh anytime any day

All these frustration amount to nothing.

At least your have God which you have ALL EVIDENCE of his existence, so give way and let's see other people who didn't believe in God at all.

Pastafarian:
true that

FSM has his own system

So is FSM your God?

hahn:
Enlighten me on this "true system"

You know already since you're once a Christian.