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4kings:
I'm not an atheist.

And yes, it's how your emotions are influenced. Whether by reason, emotional blackmail, influence from family and friends, or miracles experienced.

Ok!

But I disagree with your last phrase.

Miracles experienced aren't emotional but reality in man's life.

PH1stBorn:
Copy and past Op!
Every point posted here is far from the truth as far as Jehovah's witnesses are concerned...

Why can't you pick out those points that were raised by the OP which are far from truth

as a matter of fact, many so called Christian organization keeps on reeling misleading facts and information about Jehovah's witnesses.

As if it was the so called Christain organization that is helping JWs to publish their booklets like watchtower and awake.

Most importantly the website Jwfact.com is not in anyway related to the genuine website jw.org.

It was called FACT which means every point raised on the website was always supported by the very STATEMENTS of JWs themselves either from their publised booklets i.e watchtower and awake or from their own website.

[size=14pt]To be called a witnesses simply mean to live a life that is in accord to Godly standard and not that of man or any government standard.[/size]

Please where can one find this in the scripture
Besides, The Father and The Holyspirit witness about Jesus. Does it mean they are simply live a life in accord to godly standard

Its not by coercion but by personal decision to be bound by God's righteous standard as such there is no room for willful sinful tendencies.

Thank God you said it's by PERSONAL DECISION. So it means God is not against it.
By the way how can your personal decision be bound by God's righteous standard Are you setting standard for God or it's God that sets standard for you

Jehovah's witnesses working in all level of organizations, public or private display high level of honesty in their dealings in accord to God's righteous standard.

And other Christians don't do I guess

In all essence, they MUST put God first even in the point of death.. leading you to d roles of ELDERS who ensure strict compliance to such standard.

So it means every JWs are ELRDERS since everyone put God first, am I right?

The moment u derail willfully u are excommunicated. You dont expect them to allow Christian to keep sinning under the pretense of been "under the grace" just as others churches today do.

Now are you saying you're 100% righteous and don't use to sin

uzuede4:
Op, we do not label people 'satan's tool' like you insinuted. As Jehovah's Witnesses, we strive to live up to God' high moral standards. We are not men pleasers. What matters to us is to gain God' s approval.

We make decisions based on what we learned from the Bible. As the Bible advices, (1 Corinthians 5) we excommunite any who have chosen to live a life not in harmony with Bible standards.

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's a decision i made. No one is coerced to be one. When it comes to health matters, we must obey God as ruler rather than men. Remember Jesus said [size=14pt]"any who wants to save his life will lose it. But any who loses his life for his sake, will save it."

Saving our life in disobedience to God's law,[/size] does not guarantee ever-lasting life. But obedience to God does.

@bold-Please if you sick do you take drug

4kings:
Emotion

So, it's emotion that leads you to Atheism...

4kings:
Number of converts does not make the belief a fact.

Then let me ask ask you this, we have seen people converted from one religion to another i.e Atheist to Christianity, Christianity to Atheist; Islam to Christianity and vise visa e.t.c what is the missing link?

Jehovah witness and their wrong teachings

Their people will avoid this thread like a plague.

The funny part of it is that, if the questions are turned around can you provide answers to them?

When will Nairalander Atheists provide their own scientific evidences of natural world instead of relying on the white Atheists?

akintom:
Lines of acceptable evidence Needed to Support Claims of Existence of God/Gods as Valid:

But unfortunately Atheist seems to lack the understanding between spirituality and physical despite their claim to be the one who possesses world wide knowledge.

1). Provide evidence or logically demonstrate that an aspect of the natural world cannot be explained through natural means.

The simple evidence for this is that no man can confidently say that he/she knows the origin of matter.
While Bible provided the answer: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Heb 11:3 KJV

2). Provide archeological evidence that a deity has intervened in human history at any point.

Intervened in what way

3).Provide a logical argument that demonstrates God is mandatory for existence.

Because God is LIFE and from Him LIFE exists on earth and up till now no scientific explanation to the origin of LIFE, please don't come with the excuse of, since they don't know it now doesn't mean it can't be known in the future.

4). Provide a logical argument or demonstration which can determine which of the many varying descriptions and attributes of the god concept are man made and which are not.

There is no concept of God that is man made from Christian perspective.
Logically, if God exists and He brought creation into existence then there is nothing in creation that is beyond His power (Please don't derail this thread by coming with the argument of SATAN-GOD, if you want to do so, kindly open another thread and invite me) and again, God existence will be totally different from how creations exist.

5). Provide evidence that any religious writings or doctrines could not have been developed by man or man alone.

The reason why Bible isn't a man's idea is that, Bible always points to God-man relationship which means people do have personal encounter with God from ancient days till date which I'm a living testimony.

6). Verifiable evidence of a miracle occurring that has no reasonable natural explanation.

Of course that's where Atheist lack knowledge about the world. We are in the world and everything that happens, happened in the NATURAL world not in spiritual world if not you won't see it.

Even the word 'supernatural' has natural in it.
Miracle simply means where man's ability ends God ability intervened.
I have experienced miracle and by the grace of God, God has helped me to perform miracle. NOTE: I'm not a pastor nor do I own a church.
Now let me tell you one story:
There was a time in my hometown, there is this major road that links my hometown to another village. Just of a sudden, at one spot accident do frequently occur which has claimed more than 10 persons' life. People begin to wonder what could possibly be happening, people begin to ask different questions.
Then, about three different churches revealed that there is one particular stone in that area that has been bewitched and people should start praying that God should fight any demon sucking blood on that road.
The day God will proof His existence and power, it was like a dream. What happened? That day cloud began to gather, small time rain started falling. In the middle of the rain fall was a very great THUNDER, in fact nobody in my village that doesn't fell the impart of that THUNDER, I remember my Grandma said "wa ooo ibun ti dun" in Yoruba which means "The gun has sounded" and she began to praise God.
After the rain, News broke out that something great has happened, guess what? It was along that road. At the very spot where accident do occur, the stone that was there was broken into pieces as if they used dynamite to blast the stone.
Atheist might said well, somebody went and planted the dynamite to deceive the villagers but if God wants to do His things He doesn't do it without leaving an evident. The path the thunder follows before hitting the stone will be up to 1-2kilometer and guess what, ANYTHING ALONG THAT PATH BE IT TREE OR GRASS were uprooted and the path looked as if it was a Bulldozer that works there. And since that day till I left my hometown not a single case of an accident was reported on that road.

These are my questions:
1. Which heavy equipment do you thing man can use around 1990's that can grade a path of 1-2km in just one single strike of a thunder?
2. Why is that particular stone among other stones in that area that was affected?
3. Why does accident cease from that spot after that incident?

NOTE: This is an eyewitness story not them-say-them-say

7). Provide irrefutable Evidence that consciousness continues after all brain function ceases.

You want video from spiritual source right?

. Provide evidence that can demonstrate natural explanations for origins or development of humans such as scientific theories are false and that the existence of God is the only alternative explanation.

No scientific theory for the origin of LIFE that is plausible.
Or let's put it this way, provide evidence for the ORIGIN of LIFE that proves it wasn't from God.

9). Provide evidence of an event or phenomenon which can be shown to not be subject to the laws of physics.

As stated above!
Also, I have a lot of them but answer those questions above first.

10). Provide evidence that prayer actually changes outcome on a statistical consistent basis and provide statistical data that demonstrates that prayer to a certain God change outcomes at a higher rate than prayer directed at any other God, idol, or ancestor.

Which evidence do you people always talk about?

Like taking a camera to heaven and begin to camera how God answers prayers or what?

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najib632:
You know nothing...!

The funny part of it might be that you haven't even cross River Benue before.

I was just laughing at some people who sit in the comfort of their room somewhere in Meddle belt/South zone and typing all sort of things to support this great genocide committed by FG against the Shite but we in the North know the truth.

MissEdified:
Something needs to done about this path of the road. This is how motorists "swim" through the flood during heavy down pour at the Lagos- Abeokuta express way very close to Ilekpo market.


http://www.newshelm.com/2016/11/photos-diplorable-state-of-lagos.html

Na waooo I can't even remember the day rain stop falling here.

This Northern part sha

moneybugs:
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keche7:
and what is bad about that?

It's like your own is coming soon

@Op congrats lopolopo

Pastafarian:
speaking unbiased truth with facts is now frustration?

you're much smarter than this

use the good brain FSM gave you

Yes your unbiased truth indicates that YOU HAVE GOD and acknowledge the existence of a God so this puts you in a religious group.

Stop wasting our time here.

Pastafarian:
FSM is not just MY God

[size=14pt]he's the one true God and evidence abound of him[/size] unlike some god that resides in a book and makes Israel his own people

The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't need anybody to worship him unlike the fake god that needs arse licking always

FSM shits on Yahweh anytime any day

All these frustration amount to nothing.

At least your have God which you have ALL EVIDENCE of his existence, so give way and let's see other people who didn't believe in God at all.

Pastafarian:
true that

FSM has his own system

So is FSM your God?

hahn:
Enlighten me on this "true system"

You know already since you're once a Christian.

hahn:
Answer the damn question or go and read your bible

Delusion 101
So after you know Bible is my book and you still want me to answer you

So tell me which one you believe in and stop hiding under the goose of pretence.

dorox:
Anybody can make the claim above it doesn't ake it true. I am very sceptical of the ops claim until he can provide some form of proof.

Good, in fact I'm enjoying this show!
One Atheist called GrizzlyBear made the same claim but I'm waiting for his proof.

Niflheim:
@Mumben,

If this thing used to happen when you were small, then it is likely that you were a very cute and cuddly little kid as a child!!! Humans respond to "cute" and "cuddly"!!!


But since it is still happening to you as an adult, it could be that everyone wants to subconciously associate with you!!! [size=14pt]It could be your hair, your clothes(fashion sense) or the way you carry yourself about(the walk and the talk)!!![/size]

As for gods, they have absolutely nothing to do with it!!! We live in a physical/material/emotional and psychological world and everything that happened to you, can be explained in these 4 terms!!!

This Atheist won't kill somebody with laugh and this is one of the people who always claims to possess the highest rationality over the religious ones.

Please is she the only one that possesses all these attributes

GrizzlyBear:
I don't believe God exists, but same thing happens to me. Whenever I patronize a trader as his first customer for the day, the trader makes lots of sales that day. I have been told this on few occasions. Same also happens with my dad.

I have never lacked anything I wanted in my life, and I mean this literally. Everything always works in my favor. Wherever I go, people just seem to like me. Basically everyone who meets me wants to be my friend.

Some people just have an aura about them that brings good luck. It doesn't have anything to do with christianity or God.

Can you provide a proof or an evidence for this please?

hahn:
I sought after it but didn't find it

Oh well. It is still imaginary all the same

The reason why you couldn't find Him is because you define your own system of knowing Him.

Whereas, the True God has His own system of knowing Him.

hahn:
Which one?

Allah?
Zeus?
Vishnu?
Jehovah?
Yahweh?
Eledumare?

Which one do you believe in

Stop all these kid attitudes.

lepasharon:
Na you rational pass Sir

Where did I claim to be

onetrack:
I sure wish you would give the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER a chance. There is no proof of him either but if you just believe then the beer and blessings will flow in your household.

So you actually believe in something.

HCpaul:
I was once a Christian but I left Christianity after testing the [size=14pt]rational status[/size] of your god and come to discover that he ain't qualified and that everything are just devising fables.

Always hiding under the word of rational when in reality they lack rationality.

Seun:
Substitute the blade for something chewable using sleight of hand? [size=14pt]Hide the blade carefully in your cheek[/size] and pretend that you're chewing it?

Please how can this possible?

Again, the time the person is HIDING THE BLADE CAREFULLY people won't notice right

Can we put this in an open show and let's se whether the blade will cut your cheek or not?

Note: I will allow you to take your time to hide the blade as long as you please and comfortable

You're the one talking about being rational but see how irrational your reason is, thinking someone can hide a SHARP OBJECT like blade in the mouth and at the same time chewing something without getting hut.

Rilwayne001:
Please I'll like to know the truth as well. What is the truth of this matter?

The truth is, those people were murdered in cold blood for no reason.

I believed you know I'm not a Muslim.
Likewise I'm not a follower of any Nigeria politicians
Sadly, it happened that I was in Zaria that very day.

What I'll just say is that judgment will truly come one day everybody should continue in their ways Rev 22:11

Rilwayne001:
This is getting too much as well, but why is Elzakzaky still in detention?

He's still in detention because of the lies feeding the public.

We people in the North know the truth.

dtphilosopher:
Good morning

You said we're going to find many things in the Op but you didn't give out any. Must we contact you through your mail before those info be released?

Barristter07:
mi o le rerin oooo , So when David was reffering to Jehovah he was actually speaking of two or three persons , don't tell me David and the jews are trinitarian ? Hahahaha, see the akoba trinity is doing to your life .


the truth is obvious , Jehovah is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and the Most High as testified in psalm 83:18 and Psalm 42:2, and 9 !


What is Jesus position in relation to the most High ?


Luke 1:35 " This one will be great and will be called SON OF the Most High " . Rather than called the Most High , he is the son of the most High. Clearly Jesus is not the Most High !!!


Or you wan tell me that Jesus is the son of himself ?

First of all, stop inserting my moniker inside your quote after you quoted my post.

Secondly, I didn't say David was referring to multiple persons but to correct your ignorance since you thought the phrase 'YOU ALONE' can't include other person.

Lastly, quoting Luke won't help you here because Luke is TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN CHILD JESUS.

These are my two points you're still dribbling with without being addressed:
1. The Most High is the King over all the Earth, yet the Greek scripture identified Jesus as the King over all the earth.

2. The Most High is exalted above all gods and the Greek scripture also put Jesus here.

Now the questions are:
1. Is Jesus and Jehovah fighting over any position because even your organization also agreed that Jesus is the King over all the Earth ruling from heaven NOT JEHOVAH?

2. Why are you fighting a lost battle when the Greek scripture shows that it is Jesus who was exalted far above heaven? This shows the more evidence how JWs failed to give Jesus the position He was given BY the Greek scripture.

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