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paulGrundy:
Sorry am not a white guy

White guy mentality

Presbulg:
Of course Jesus(pbuh) is coming back to correct the people who says he's God or a part of God and tell them he's no more than a messenger of God who brought the same message Adam, Abraham, Moses all preached which is ' Thy Lord God is one ' .

Two questions for you:

*If Muslims Isa will come back, is it coming back as a new born baby or coming back the way he went to heaven?

*why would Allah send Isa again when he had already told Muhammad that Isa isn't God nor part of God?

Kindly add Qur'anic verse(s)

Barristter07:
So why bring up Isaiah 9:6 initially? Oro e o ye mi rara And when asked to explain your point in relation to Ephesian 4:6 , you people refused .

When we tell you people to grow up you'll be forming strong head. Go back to reeducate yourself about Trinity.

Isaiah proved that Jesus is Father though not the person of The Father and going by your earlier statement "the whole heaven and earth have just one single
Father . he is the one God" it means Jesus is God.

I think this should teach you that next time when u bring up a verse , explain how it relate to the discussion and don't just jumbo jumbo all around like you are doing. Am so unimpressed with your unorganized style of discussion

Teach me or you should learn how to reconcile different verses together.

Is that your understanding, no problem.

My understanding or what you're trying to prove to us.

Barristter07:
this is out of the topics jurisdiction!

This is where the problem lies, you people only good at using one particular verse but very confused to reconcile that verse with other part of the scriptures.

How is possible to have ONE LORD (which the is the Almighty God) in the OT but in the NT there is ONE LORD who is Jesus?

How can Jehovah made the OT saints to live and died in a belief that there is ONE LORD which is Himself but telling us now that 'No, I'm not the ONE LORD my Son is the ONE LORD now'

That's why you keep repeating the same thing when Isaiah called Jesus EVERLASTING FATHER because you're not made to understand Scripture that way only to cherry pick a verse and capitalize on it.

the focus of the op is can trinitarians explain who the one Lord in that Ephesian 4:6 is,

And Trinitarian doesnt have power to break God's word because God's word is one. Whatever is true in the OT must be true in the NT.

If there is ONE LORD throughout the whole OT and this ONE LORD is the Almighty God then coming to the NT the ONE LORD is now Jesus Christ, I'm wondering whether Jehovah promoted Himself from ONE LORD to another rank.

My advice for you, stop following Watchtower deceptive argument on one verse read the entire Bible and understand the message God is passing across.

Barristter07:
You are still not making sense,

And you're the one making sense, right?

so far you confess Jesus is not the Father.

Olodo....Has any Trinitarian ever claimed that Jesus is THE Father before?

That means he isn't the " One God and Father of [size=27] ALL [/size] " Eph 4:6

That means Prophet Isaiah was lying when he said Jesus is an EVERLASTING FATHER.

Barristter07:
What a dead argument, Tell me: is Jesus, the Father ?

It's dead to you because you lack simple comprehension.

Jesus isn't THE Father; emphasis is on 'THE'

Look at your own statement and see that you're very confused "the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father. he is the one God"

The man is different from man!

Barristter07:
Kindly do, and let's see if the One Lord in that scripture means three in one Lord or only one Lord?

and let's apply the same logic to one God in that same verse

But do you agree that there is only ONE LORD known to Old Testament people? Let's start from there!

To answer your question @ bold

" And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. " Matt 23:9 - Jesus Christ with that statement tells how many Father I have in heaven.

So, prophet Isaiah was lying when he said Jesus is an EVERLASTING FATHER or Jesus didn't know what he was saying when He made that statement, right?

Everlasting means forever and the last time I checked the EVERLASTING FATHER Jesus was in heaven.

SUMMARY
It's either;
*Both Isaiah and Jesus were lying
*Both were saying the truth but a fable mind like yours couldn't phantom it

Barristter07:
Kindly explain your point in relation to Ephesians 4:6 ?

No! You're the one who need to explain to us why Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER if we follow this your statement "the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father. he is the one God"

I know you'll begin to turn Bible upside down now

Barristter07:
I smiled reading ur post , you failure to apply the same logic u used in explaining one Lord to one God shows something is fishy.

Please, where have I explained anything about ONE LORD here

Only a Lie need the bold to explain something straightforward

Or your brain couldn't grab the simple explanation.

Even the non educated among the Ephesians could explain that verse Perfectly well.

" One God and FATHER OF ALL " Eph 4:6


the One God is àlso the Father of All.

the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father . he is the one God

And Jesus is also an EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many Father do you now have in heaven?

If you've grabbed the concept I presented to you, let me know then I'll explain that verse to you.

alfarouq:
One of the divine Books that Allah (Glory be to Him) revealed, which contains light and guidance, is the Zaboor (Psalms). The Zaboor is a Book of God which He (Glory be to Him) revealed to Prophet Dawood (David).

I know you gave this reply based on Qur'an and not fact about history.

This is how you'll know that Allah just appeared to Muhammad as an angel of light to deceive him.

I know it will shock you if you do a research and you discovered that the Psalm wasn't written by your Dawood but a collection of different lyrics poems.

Some part were attributed to Moses e.t.c

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/198-the-book-of-psalms-a-study

KingEbukaNaija:
The source is naija church news so its not credible - the story is more likely a canard .

And the story could be made up to defame the church . We should be aware of such calumnies

Brother in Christ, the story is real like the second coming of our Lord. My Pastor went to her family's house this morning for condolence visit!

extwoo:
What will I do with 256GB?

My first Laptop was 80GB Hard disk, back then I used to say 250GB is too much for me talk less of 500GB. But now, I'm using 500GB with external 500GB plus different memory cards range from 8-16GB and flash drive yet I still need more space.

Rilwon:
Indeed, but why do you assume your Jesus is light and that of the Muslim is darkness? Let me guess, because your book said so again?

No! It's Atheist's book that said so.

Are you Admitting my point?

If that's how you understand it!

Rilwon:
Bros, you don't answer question with a question
Would you please answer my question?

I've already answered your question
Is that the Only True God of creation

Rilwon:
And the god of the Bible is?

Is that Only True God of the creation!

Rilwon:
But what makes your own Jesus original and that of Muslims fake?

Light and darkness don't have anything in common

Are you just saying this because your Bible said so?

Just as you said earlier because your Quran said so!

PassingShot:
Islam is the only religion with Allah.

Yes! Since Allah is not the Only True God of the creation.

Rilwon:
And who told you that Islam don't recognize Jesus?

But you know within you that Islam only recognized the fake isa and not the True Jesus!

CAPTIVATOR:
am suprised this is coming from you, didnt the so- called trigodtarians admit that the Father is a separate person from his son and holyspirit, WHEN REFERING TO MORE THAN ONE PERSON and a personal name is meant, " Names " is used. but at Matthew 28:19 , Name is only found in the singular which prove that personal name is not meant here . therefore your use of this verse as a prove of personal name for holyspirit is highly ridiculous and wrong to the highest degree

at Rev 3:12 for example. where reference is made to name, the persons are distinctly identified as having different names.

" The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and [size=25] I will write on him the name of my God, [/size] and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."

that further prove that Name as used by Jesus in the context of matt 28:19 mean " in the power or authority of" not a personal name.

still, you are yet to give a personal name of holyspirit ?

Lol...please be surprised about your delusion.

The summary of your confusion is this:

1. You claimed now that the context of NAME in Matt 28:19 means "in the power or authority of" not a personal name."

Now focusing on the 'OF'

2. It means The Father has His own Power or Authority, The Son has His own power or Authority likewise the Holy spirit has His own power or Authority.

3. By inserting it let see the meaning "...in the power or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit"

4. This negate your believe that Holy spirit is the active force of God because according to you the Holy spirit has His own power or authority.

IN ADDITION, this is how you'll know that you people are great perverter of the word of God, now for you to dismiss the evidence of Matt 28:19 you interpreted the name as POWER OR AUTHORITY but when when Jesus said "He has manifested the NAME of the Father" you people said Jesus meant Jehovah whereas the position of scholars here is that the name in John 17:6 means power or authority.

Holy spirit is called by these names in the scripture:
The Spirit & Spirit of God just as Jesus is called The word & word of God.

CAPTIVATOR:
i think you are the Olodo here, " in the NAME of the Father " begs the question, what is the Name of this Father ?

" in the Name of the son" begs the question, what is the name of this Son ?

" in the Name of holy spirit" begs the question,what is the name of holyspirit ? which is the question been asked if truly the holyspirit is a person.

we know the Name of this Father and his Son, tell us the Name of the holyspirit ?

So since Jesus said baptism should be done in the name of the Holy spirit whereas Jesus vividly knew that Holy doesn't have a name, that make Jesus what?

CAPTIVATOR:
Father is also a Name right ?

Son is also a Name right ?

i dey tell u, u are very corrupt

And you're very very corrupt!

goodnews201668:
We can't know everything about God, granted. But the Bible revealed much of what we need to know about God, yet nowhere did it suggests three in one God. You guys invented it. This is the Bible's position. The father, God and creator of everything thing including the son is Jehovah!

And the same Bible says Jesus is God, the Holy spirit is God and the Father is God yet there is one God. Then how can you reconcile this?

NOTE: Never boycott my question again because I've asked you several questions here which you didn't address, if you know you can't answer my questions never bother to reply.

Then you have the son second in the universe, through whom every other things were created including the Angels. The Bible addressed him as Jesus!

Please, where in the scripture the Son was rated second in the universe? Besides, is Jehovah dragging position with anybody in the universe?

The holy spirit is God's holy spirit which he uses to accomplish all his purposes, he also uses it to help his servants, it can also be used to empower them to accomplish many things.

1. It means the Holy spirit is eternal and not created, since is within God Himself. True or false?

2. What is the spirit of God or is there anything as spirit in God apart from the Holy spirit?

[qaboveIn fact the holy spirit's work is so many that we can't exhaust it here![/quote]Very funny is it Holy spirit that is doing the work or God if we go by your explanation above? That's what you get when you're just following people's idea and not what you understand personally by reading Bible.

goodnews201668:
Thanks for the name calling, I am olodo. No wahala, but I am troubled because you don't even know the meaning of holy spirit. People are said to also undergone baptism of fire, so fire is also a God?

Read Matthew 3:11 & Lu 3:16 the Bible talks about baptizing people with holy spirit and fire!
Maybe you will say fire is a God too. When things are personalized in the Bible it doesn't always mean they are Ifrsons or beings.

I can see that you lack scriptural knowledge and simple English. So, go back to your watchtower for more training.

You asked for a NAME which you're even raising muscle that we should support with Scripture. Now that I shown you that the word Holy spirit itself is a name, you decided to attack sstrawman.

Please when Bible says people will be baptised with Holyspirit and fire, did it say in the NAME of Holy spirit and fire?

Do you now know that Holy spirit is a name?

goodnews201668:
The father has a name, the son does have a name.
If the holy spirit is a person what's his name? Show me to prove Trinity.

Olodo!

If the word "Holy spirit" isn't a name, why would Jesus said people should be baptised in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

goodnews201668:
Falsehood can't stand, unless to those that like and promote it.

Just as you and your organization are promoting falsehood about Christ and the scripture.

Besides you guys invented it. It's not scriptural,

But you agree that John 1:1 says the word was God according to those translations, so how many God do you have?

when it's difficult to explain the next you guys say is that it's a mystery.

So can show me where I've ever said Trinity is a mystery?
Besides, everything about God is mystery because His ways far beyond humans' way. Bible uses the word MYSTERY more than twenty times, so how dare accusing Trinitarian of saying Trinity about God is a mystery?

The truth is God wants us to know him.

Since God wants us to know Him can you say you've FULLY known Him?

To have the true knowledge of him to gain eternal life and all we need to know about him is found in the Bible

Since you've been having this true knowledge of Him, have you FULLY known Him in totality?

Jesus Himself said "...and NO MAN knoweth who the Son IS, BUT THE FATHER; and who the FATHER IS, but the Son..."

Despite the lots of revelations about the Father and His Son in the Bible Jesus could still make that statement. Is that not a mystery in God's being?

Following this Jesus' statement we can then conclude that you and your organization have become God for fully knowing the Father and the Son.

stop inventing complicated doctrines.

Do you agree that there is a mystery within the being of God Himself? Anyway, Trinity is not a mystery to understand in the knowledge of knowing the unsearchable & unlimited God.

goodnews201668:
no matter how you try to justify the false doctrine of trinity it can never stand!

The holy spirit God too? Continue

Lol...it already stands from everlasting to everlasting that why you are here talking about Trinity.

goodnews201668:
The issue is not whether he's God or not,

No the issue is He is God, which begs for the question; how many God do you have?

the issue is the father is superior, the father is his God, the father knows certain things he doesn't know, and so on. Yet you guys claim they're one God.

1 Corinthians 11:3

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 

King James Version (KJV)

This shows that you don't understand the concept of Trinity yet you people will be shouting up & down diving into what you don't know.

FYI, the truth from the scripture is that:
Jesus is God
Father is God
Holy spirit is God

According to the scripture that's why Trinitarian solved this mystery by focusing on the NATURE of God not on the POSITION

No Trinitarian who doesn't agree that The Father is greater or superior than The Son (but in position).

Had it been that you understand Apostle Paul writings you would've understood that he used two positions to talk about man-woman relationship:

1. Man & Woman are equal by NATURE
2. Man is placed in high level (as the head) than woman in POSITION.

goodnews201668:
What's your stress with the part the word was God?

If the word was God and the word became flesh (which we know as Jesus Christ) then Jesus Christ is God! Now, was those translations rendered John 1:1 as "...and the word was God" correct or not?

goodnews201668:
Is it not part of the Bible?

John 1:1King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The color part is the main issue here.

Of course it is there in the KJV and the rest of the translations he listed but the main point here is whether he agreed with those translations that "...and the word was God."

goodnews201668:
Even when some words were invented?

Do you agree with the rendering of those Bible translations of John 1:1 or not? Answer my question and stop perambulating!

Do you mean those translations invented the wording of John 1:1?

tempem: Lol... You are indeed a problem..

Just as you are!

See, admit the truth and stop going about it. ..

Have you ever admitted the truth for once?

At first you never believed you'll find it there . Yet you were shocked to find it there....

It's better you close your brown teeth, you think everyone is like you who hold on to one version of the English translation.

Now you are bringing up something you'd not accept but you'll deny again even if I put up an explanation...

That's what you get when you couldn't digest simple statement but reading like a programmable robot.

Now go back to my previous post, read it slowly this so that you can see that i asked you two different questions.

Why can't you put up your explanation here and stop this ranting?

See, truth is truth and it's clear about trinity..

Yes the truth about Trinity is very clear.

goodnews201668:
That one uses or prefer a particular translation to others doesn't mean he doesn't trust the other ones.

Then ask him; do you agree with the rendering of John 1:1 by RSV, JB, NAB e.t.c?

If he doesn't then he is an hypocrite because for a translator to left a portion out which is the best to you, the translator's work must be accepted throughout.