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MizJanet:
who is confuse ? is it You or Paul ?

Neither Apostle Paul nor me is confused here but only the person who couldn't grab the message the blessed Apostle is conveying.

please if No man is gonna understand, how will the Interpreter understand in other to interpret?

Then you will need to understand that there's different between SPEAKING IN TONGUES to pass message to the congregation [color=red]AND SPEAKING IN TONGUES by oneself in communicating with God. Which the blessed Apostle had thoroughly explained.

If I may ask,what happened on the day of Pentecost; were ALL THE PEOPLE speaking in tongues delivering message to themselves or they were just speaking in tongues, is there any interpreter that day or they only communicate with their God?

is the interpreter not a man ?

Not ALL SPEAKING IN TONGUES need interpretation UNLESS GOD wants to pass message to the congregation through speaking in tongue, you can be praying by speaking in tongues, does that need interpreter too?

That's why if you read Apostle Paul details about speaking in tongues it dualistic 1. Using speaking in tongues to communicate to God personally & 2. God passing a message to the congregation through that medium which needs INTERPRETER but you people confused the two together.

Go back and read that 1 Corin 14:2 slowly this time.

Barristter07:
the concept of son of God is found in the hebrew Scriptures is the focus of this discussion.

Then where did you find it? i.e that ANY SON involved in the creation work or the creation was done through any Son? in the Hebrew scripture?

even though u know its perfectly wrong.

When you don't know what to say again.

Now do you get the point? That's the main thing here.

@ underlined ... then, this thread is not for you

the OP is trying to see if a trinitarian after explaining one Lord in that verse is ONLY one Lord and not 3 in 1 lord , can accept that " one God " in that verse is ONLY one God too !!!

It's for me because you're not to grab my point is your problem. The whole things boiled down to how you understand my concept of human race as ONE MAN(NATURE).

Barristter07:
@ bold.

"
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!

Or who stretched the line upon it?
On what were its bases sunk,

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or who laid its cornerstone,
when the morning stars sang together
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and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

" Job 38: 5-7

That's wonderful, so you mean Only Job has the concept of son of God in the OT? Besides, it's God Himself who is asking the question not Job talking about the SONS(plural) of God unlike king Nebuchanezzar who confessed the Son of God personally and He isn't a Jew.

Lastly, the Son of God I'm talking about is the one who ALL THINGS were created through Him. Do they(the OT people) have the concept?

dont let confusion set in .

ONE MAN is a single man . MAN/Nature is another point entirely.

the prefix "ONE" changed the whole meaning.

if u are reffering to the whole human race, its safe to say MAN.

but by adding the prefix ONE " to MAN. it refers to a single person.

we're ALL MAN ? thats gramatically wrong. we are all MEN (plural ) is correct.

You're just coming up! The MAN here is NATURE so if you replace NATURE with MAN. You'll get ONE NATURE.

So, for me to say human race/mankind is ONE MAN(NATURE) I'm right.

Thanks for the correction but I know what I'm saying.

Now do you get the whole gist?

in line with the bold, I ASKED : if one Lord means ONLY ONE Lord , then God in that same verse is ONLY ONE God , agree ?

ONLY ONE God ? just as u admit for only one Lord.


"
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There is ^one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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^one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all. " Eph 4: 4-6

Whereas I didn't make my point through that verse alone. My point was through the whole NT revelation itself.

OT = ONLY ONE LORD (God)
NT = ONLY ONE LORD (Jesus Christ)

dolphinheart:
sir, the disciples words on speaking in tongues are self explanatory.
when the disciples first spoke in tongues, it was said that the people who saw them do it where able to understand them!
can that be applied to the speaking in tongue of today? hope you will answer.

This is my reply to someone's post above which is a gross misunderstanding of what actually happened on the day of Pentecost.

This is the main part you people always miss, everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language [size=14pt]AS The Spirit gave them the utterance.[/size] You people always miss the fact that it was HOW & WHAT The Holy Spirit wants them to speak THAT they will speak, it's not a PATTERN forever and this is an evident that The Holy Spirit has A WILL.

later when the apostles was talking about speaking in tongue in a congregation(church), he specified guidelines to be followed, do you follow it those guidelines today?

Does it come to your understanding that what Apostle Paul was talking about there, is passing a message to the congregation?

Infact Apostle Paul said "For he that speaketh in an UNKNOWN TONGUES speaketh not unto men, but unto God: [size=14pt]for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM;[/size] howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1Corin 14:2

Things to notice here:
1. The language is an UNKNOWN TONGUES
2. The speaker speaks not UNTO MEN but God
3. NO MAN UNDERSTANDS the speaker but you people ALWAYS PROVE that the speaker supposed to be understood every time).

My emphasis is on point 3 'NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM' please if what happened on the day of Pentecost is a PATTERN everyone speaking in tongues must follow why would Apostle Paul here say again that NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM?

Remember, everyone (ALL MEN) in that place understood what the Apostles were saying as you stated in your post.

Barristter07:
1 Chronicles 28:6 " He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. "

Solomon is here called son of God.

show us where they described God as three person in one God ?

Solomon being called the Son of God is very understandable to all Bible students.

But my own 'Son of God' is the one who was with the Father before the creation.

Do they have that concept? May be you can show us from the scriptures.

Mind you, this isn't even the only concept the OT people couldn't fathom about God.

present your fact and the terminology u used to arrive at that conclusion, then I can speak on this.

OK, what I mean is this by NATURE mankind (that is human race) is ONE MAN (only ONE nature), true or false?
So if I say; we're ALL MAN, I don't expect you to think of a female to be called MAN in respect of using MAN for a male. I'm expecting you to grab the distinction between human being and other beings.

the bold is the main concern of this thread, if one Lord in that scripture is ONLY one Lord and not three in one Lord , then do u admit that one God in the same verse is ONLY one God ?

You missed the point. I said "GOING BY YOUR LOGIC" That is, if the OT people have the concept of ONE GOD. Then on that note, they (OT people) also have ONLY the concept of ONE LORD (which is God) and in the NT the ONLY ONE LORD we have is Jesus Christ. Grab that!

ONLY one ?

Yes One!

Barristter07:
the concept of one God known to Abraham, moses, Jacob ànd the jews is simply one single person known as God or supreme being.

Just as the concept of 'Son of God' was not known to them.

but trinitarians object that one God is actually a combination of three persons and EACH is God.

But do you object to the fact that the whole human race is ONE MAN? Your understanding of this statement will determine your level of understanding of Trinity.

again , one God cannot be three persons. its either one Single God or nothing else.

Your conclusion is irrelevant here. What matters is the revelation God reveals about Himself.

CAN ANY TRINITARIAN USE THE SAME ILLEGAL LOGIC THEY USE IN EXPLAINING THE TRINITY TO EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE:



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Ephesians 4:4-6 International Standard Version (ISV)
There is one body and one Spirit. Likewise, you were called to the one hope of your calling.
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There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all.




does it mean there are three persons in one Lord?

Going by your logic, there's only ONE LORD known in the OT which is God but in the NT Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE LORD. That means Jesus Christ is God.

three in one HOPE ?

three in one FAITH ?

three in one baptism ?

Are these things person?

** is this scripture to be understood as single one or three in one ?

To be understood as ONE!

JMAN05:
With do respect sir, we never said the holy spirit left the earth, do not resort to lies bro. Emusan is not ready for a calm and sincere discussion. That's why I ignore him. Do u also want to be like him?

Do I even care? Please if you know you can't refute my post stop mentioning my moniker.

I know the next thing you will tag me is to call me an APOSTASY simply because I always expose your Watchtower Publications' lies.

You ignored me; for what? Am I the one who controlled your brain to write that Prov 8 is ALLEGORICALLY talked about Jesus Christ who was endowed with the wisdom of God? OR I force you to write that Prov 8 is a prove that INANIMATE THING can be given ANIMATED ATTRIBUTES? OR used your hand to type that Prov 8 is a prove that the Father is talking to His Son Jesus Christ on the same breath of writings?

Just show people on this thread that I was the who attributed those statements to you that you never said anything like that.

Mr man wake up from your delusion!

donnie:
Thank you jare.

Confusion is what you get when you gather info from everywhere (JWs, atheism etc) as long as they support your claims.

There are actualIy more, if we probe further but i hardly notice since i'm in "preaching mode" (not argument) most of the time.

They are Jehovah Witness who have right to tell a part of the Bible that is LITERAL or ALLEGORY even when most Bible scholars disagreed with their claim.

That's what you get when one decides to twist the Word of God out of context.

JMAN05:
Include whatever u want to include in ur reply, let's dig for knowledge together. this isn't a fight.

I know than u do.

You know nothing about me sir. The brother has said it all "Wisdom is inanimate to you when it suits you and a living person when it doesn't" Which in my summary what I termed 'Your Confusions'.

You're not the only JW who has made that statement almost all JW do. They are so quick to use Prov 8 as a prove that some INANIMATE THINGS were given personality in the Bible. [size=14pt]THIS IS DONE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM THAT HOLY SPIRIT ISN'T A PERSON.[/size] But when they want to prove that Jesus was created they sited THIS SAME Prov 8.

This is to tell you how you people cherry pick the word of God to suit whatever you want it support. Mind you that's how you do to the WHOLE SCRIPTURE.

Your own is to prove my post wrong by showing me where you didn't make those summarized statement.

Jozzy4:
u are speaking with jozzy4 not watchtower society . dont be an idiot

I know who I'm speaking with but I have to address your origin because watchtower society is the one that formatted your brain.

joyandfaith:
no gain in replying useless thread. you will soon tire. [size=14pt]it is only a fool that keep defending right in internet with chronic liars.[/size]

You're a fool indeed for parading the internet every hour defending right of your satanic Watchtower LIES.

You called me PATHOLOGICAL LIAR but when your organization deceptive quotes of the same nature like the OP were put right on your very face you couldn't say a word anymore. Hypocrite!

At least nobody among you could prove my quotations wrong that's why you people trying harder to divert from the main point.

Jozzy4:
no, I dont recognize Jesus as the KEY , I recognize Krishna, Ifa and Zeus !!
idiot man .

Of course! Those are the gods of watchtower society.

Jozzy4:
mr man ! regurgitating the name Jesus up and down is not what the verse is saying. it means recognizing Jesus as the key to Salvation

What do I expect from you before!

Then why are you shouting the name JEHOVAH up and down if Jesus is the only Key to the means of salvation?

Then do you recognise Jesus as THE KEY to your salvation or your organization is the key?

Jessicha:
yes, only one name given AMONG MEN. so its silly of you to bring Jehovah into the bracket , is Jehovah a man ?

Was Jesus Christ a man now, which name was given among men & which name are you using in your devotion everyday?

paulGrundy:

You can see how ALL of them avoid this thread like a plague but before they were screaming LIAR. Now that the table has turn on them they went mute.

joyandfaith:
what is the policy? genocide of jw? when jw hutu and tutsi protect one another. you u guys are certified pathological liar.

That's how you jump into my thread and called me a pathological liar but when I put forth evidences from your Watchtower publications how they made quote the same way I did, only for you to disappear because to call Watchtower Society a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR will be hard for you.

JMAN05:
If you dont mind the discussion is not between me and you. Can you possibly ignore any reply I make here. I will love it if you do.

I appreciate your understanding.

Thanks!

As usual I know you have nothing to say after your lies statement has been exposed.

Again, you said "That place speaks of wisdom, but this is wisdom personified. And the context shows that the bible is [size=14pt]allegorically talking about Jesus who is endowed with the wisdom of God."[/size]

And later said this "Inanimate things are often given animate attributes, even though they are not. The wisdom at Prov 8 is one example"

And finally asked after quoting some Bible scholars who gave their explanations on Prov 8 "That is just some. Don't you see reasons to accept that Jesus was the one the Father was talking to?"

Summary of your confusion.
1. Prov 8 is ALLEGORICALLY talking about Jesus Christ who is ENDOWED with the wisdom of God

2. Prov 8 is talking about INANIMATE THING that was just given an ANIMATED ATTRIBUTES.

3. Prov 8 is a prove that The Father is talking to Jesus Christ.


Confuse fellow!

JMAN05:
That place speaks of wisdom, but this is wisdom personified. And the context shows that the bible is allegorically talking [size=14pt]about Jesus who is endowed with the wisdom of God.[/size]

Some Bible Scholars agree that these verse is talking about Jesus.

In his work, Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrew, John Owen said after quoting Prov 8:22-31:

What interests me there is that he stated that this view, ie Jesus as the wisdom of that Prov 8, is an ancient belief, and he went further to condemn a belief to the contrary.

A commentary called The Bible Illustrator (Old Testament), states after quoting Prov 8:30:

The delights between the Father and the Son, before His assumption of our nature, were twofold.

1. They delighted in one another without communicating their joys to any other; for no creature did then exist save in the mind of God.

That is just some. Dont you see reasons to accept that Jesus was the one the Father was talking to?

So what are these Bible Scholars say about other Biblical passages like John 1:1, Heb 1:6, 8; Col 1:15; 2:9? If you know you're truly presenting their view about Bible and not just cherry picking their statement.

Imaging, after you said the @bold you can still go ahead to ask that question. Very pathetic!

Inanimate things are often given animate attributes, even though they are not. The wisdom at Prov 8 is one example

Now you said Wisdom is an inanimate thing according to Prov :8 but said someone must see the reason to accept that Jesus was the one The Father was talking to in Prov 8 above. SMH

Barnes' Note states:

he "Word of God" is "what God speaks" - whether it be a promise or a threatening; whether it be Law or gospel; whether it be a simple declaration or a statement of a doctrine. The idea here is, that what "God had said" is suited to detect hypocrisy and to lay open the true nature of the feelings of the soul, so that there can be no escape for the guilty. His "truth" is adapted to bring out the real feelings, and to show man exactly what he is.

Greek zoon
- "living." It is not dead, inert, and powerless. It has a "living" power, and is energetic and active. It is "adapted" to produce this effect.

Now quoting Barnes but can you give us some quote from Barnes about other Biblical passages i.e John 1:1, Heb 1:6, 8; Col 1:15; 2:9?

Failure to do so will show the level of your hypocrisy.

Mind you I have ALL Barnes' COMMENTARY with me.

Buharism:
Why do people attend speaking in tongue schools.

That's unscriptural but your earlier post ("but today you cant understand what the pastor or what other church members are saying while speaking in tongue."') didn't specify this instead attacking ALL SPEAKING in tongues this day.

Buharism:
the pentecost we rèfer to as the manifestation of the holy spirit was a divine event,

Was it only DURING DAY OF PENTECOST speaking in tongues occurred in the Bible AND has this DIVINE EVENT stopped on the day of Pentecost?

nobody knew he was speaking in tongue,

Then do people speaking in tongues today tell you they know what they're speaking?

infact everybody was hearing in their own native language what the apostles were saying,

This is the main part you people always miss, everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language AS [size=14pt]The Spirit gave them the utterance.[/size]

You people always miss the fact that it was HOW & WHAT The Holy Spirit wants them to speak THAT they speak, it's not a PATTERN and this is an evident that The Holy Spirit has A WILL

but today you cant understand what the pastor or what other church members are saying while speaking in tongue.

The Bible says: "AS The Spirit gave them utterance" Why are you fighting against The WILL of the Holy Spirit?
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May the good Lord show us the way to enternal life. Amen

The Only Way to eternal life is Jesus Christ and He says "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water, 39 But speak of the Spirit which they that BELIEVE in him should receive..."

Has this Living water sprung out of you?

goodnews201668:
I repeat it to you again you have a big kpako or plank in your eyes yet your are you're seeing a straw in some other person's eyes.
What are you?
Abeg swerve, you are a big time hypocrite!!!

At least you never pointed out any plank that was in my eyes whether I'll admit or not.

But what will you say on Watchtower deception quotes pointed out on this thread so far? because you haven't said anything yet about this thread only ranting up and down. If you don't know what to say kindly craw back to where you belong to as your brothers and sister have done.

goodnews201668:
Who takes you serious?
Everybody here knows that you are just a shameless, disgruntled, slanderous, hateful, ignorant liar.

Why will you take me serious when your watchtower lies are being exposed? Don't you know that you hate the truth?

I repeat it you call me a liar but refuse to call your watchtower a liar for doing the same thing that I did. What a hypocrite behaviour.

Jessicha:
" I freely CONFESS" , he acknowledged by confessing that the eye appearing by natural selection is absurd .




con- fess
1.
2.
[kuh n- fes]
verb (used with object)
to acknowledge



did he said organisms appear to have been carefully and artfully Designed ? Yes

he acknowledge the design in some organisms. thats the point .




verse 16 which is the preceeding verse pointed out, therefore submit a scanned copy of the creation book on the page of Darwins discussion, lets see the point been discussed by the writer ?

Shameless liar, see how she's trying hard to defend this obvious lie from the pit of hell.

Am I the one who provided the books you used in your defence of the OP?

For you to defend yourself, go on research and do as you did to the Op.

It's evident that Watchtower publications used deceptive quote to brainwash you people, why I did that in the Op you people tagged me a liar but working harder from all angles to prove watchtower society is right for what she did.

Mind you the more you come here to rant the more I will continue to expose your lie organization.

Here is another Case;

CASE 2:
JW quote from should you believe in Trinity

Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus [size=14pt]a created angel[/size] who is "other than the God who made all things." He said that [size=14pt]Jesus was inferior to God[/size] and "never did anything except what the Creator . . .willed him to do and say."

The key underline phrases, "created angel" and " inferior to God" are not Justin's but the Watchtowers own words no where in Justin's writings such words were found.

What a pathological LIAR organization.

goodnews201668:
My sister he is a shameless slander and hateful liar ooo, just seeking for attention.
The devil will even be disappointed with the way they lie, the have collected his title as the father of lie from him.

And you can't see how your Watchtower lies being exposed here...

Jessicha:
if u study my illustration above, you would see the difference in your shameless altering
of the statement and quoting a part of someones statement without touching the free flow of the sentences of the part quoted like u did.

Like I said, you're just attacking strawman without taking your time to digest my counter post. Now you resorted to "FREE FLOW OF THE SENTENCE" But let's see whether you truly understand yourself by trying hard to defend the lie your organization engaged in.

by hidding °not° , the guy statement read Jesus said what enters the mouth defiles a man . which is an outright lie . same thing u did with the publications sited .

Yes I agreed, but for Watchtower publication to quote a part of statement and left the rest out which actually change the true meaning of the author's point of view and conclusion isn't OUTRIGHT LIE, abi? Just Continue...

but checking Darwins quote and what u posted as his full statement , is the free flow of the sentence altered ? no , its exactly as its written in the book .

Answer me, does it appear in Darwin's statement that he sees anything as a problem which Watchtower attributed to him? "Darwin acknowledged this as a problem."

While quoting Richard Lewontin Watchtower said this; “Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully
designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence
of a Supreme Designer’”

In your mind of perjury, can't you see how this man's statement was twisted by watchtower to suit their false teaching?

Notice it was the word 'THAT' which was removed by watchtower that change the sentence forever and also that a FULL STOP was placed after "DESIGNED" by watchtower whereas the statement of Richard is a continous one with They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life."

[size=14pt]nd the purpose of the Ellipse is to remove the irrelevant details,[/size] check Darwins quote , the point left out by the Ellipse is his descriptions of the eye which is irrelevant to the subject in discussion

Just imaging rubish thing you said @bold, who told you they are IRRELEVANT? HOW CAN YOU BE SUPPORTING A DECEPTIVE QUOTE LIKE THIS? who have right to render someones work irrelivant?

----- then you shifted to darwin Acknowledge this as a problem, a sane person asks ? what is that THIS that the writer believe darwin acknowledge?

for example at Matthew 8:17.
"
This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”


a sane person asks : what is that THIS that the writer meant was fulfilled in line with isaiahs quote ?

Another way of diverting attention, before verse 17 vr 16 has already pointed out that Jesus performed many healing MIRACLES BY THE WORD OF HIS MOUTH. So just quoting out vr17 is what Watchtower always does leaving the main point.

the writer explains that at the preceeding statement at matthew 8:16,.
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That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick."


therefore Emusan, provide a scanned copy of the page and lets see the preceeding statement that led to the quote ?

You're right, so go back to my counter posts and see the details are there.

paulGrundy:
None is lieing, Emz's quote did not alter the intended meaning of Jesus. Emusan is talking about misquoting someone to make him say what he did not say.

When you quote a comment of someone on trinity, and you make him/her say what he did not say with the use of ellipses, that is a fraud, 419.

You can see how she's trying the more to prove those watchtower publications right and prove me to be a liar.

The funny part of it was that they didn't know the purpose of this thread before they began to call me all sought of names.

But the saddest part of it is that none of them can call Watchtower society A LIAR now, despite the fact that, what I did that made them to tag me A LIAR was the same thing Watchtower society did.

Jessicha:
continue to make noise ,

Why you continue to defend lie.

how can you quote words out of a single sentence @ underlined and u are not ashamed ?

I see you're still trying harder just prove Watchtower right and still nailed me to cross when what I did was the same thing watchtower did in their publications.

Firstly, you can see ELLIPSES in between those words which means something is missing and by doing that the original view of the author and the true meaning of that sentence is lost. That's why you can verify and came up with the real statement which made you called me A LIAR.

Secondly, Watchtower also used this same tactics by USING an ELLIPSE to hide the true view of the author or lost the actual message the author is conveying.

Lastly, I asked what is the different between what I did and what Watchtower society did?

with reference to Jesus statement at matthew 15:11 . which of these is a fraud and a liar

first man:

dasky: Jesus said that a man is contaminated by " ... what comes out of their mouth" . he quotes part of the statement without altering what he quotes .

the second man :

Emz : Jesus said that " what goes into someones mouth does ... defile them" . he hids #not# , thereby altering the sentence he quotes.

honestly tell me which of them is a liar ?

Your illustration is vague and hold no water.

No matter how you twist it or trying to justify it you're wrong and in fact you're even exposing watchtower publications' fraud more. [size=14pt]in case you don't know Watchtower society uses the two references you sited in short there are many cases where Watchtower society will make a statement and attributed their own statement to the author their quoting. Did I do that here?[/size] so using this line of argument won't help you at all.

Here are the examples:

CASE 1: 4. JW from Creation Book
[size=14pt]“Darwin acknowledged this as a problem.[/size] For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eyes …could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I
freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”” Creation Book p. 18

Look at the underline statement attributed to Darwin, does Darwin acknowledge any problem in his statement? NO! But watchtower said he did.

Look at the ELLIPSE, does anyone reading watchtower quote wont think Darwin truly confess why HIS ACTUAL STATEMENT HAD BEEN HIDDEN AND WHAT THEY LEFT OUT OF HIS STATEMENT WHICH CONCLUDED EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS VIEWS, WERE NOT FOUND.

Lastly, the word by [EVOLUTION] was not the actual statement of Darwin it was inserted by Watchtower the actual words in his statement are "by natural
selection,"

Let me just stop with this case 1 because it's enough evident that your illustration is baseless whereas I'll advice you to go back to my counter posts (FIVE 5 POSTS) which none of you have not refuted and read them one by one this time because I know you didn't bother to read them in details since it's already about Watchtower. You'll see that everything in your illustration covered.

The only people who can't see it in my counter posts are the ones Devil has blinded their conscience.

tempem:
Lol...... I have proved all you wrote to be false..

Between, what do you have to say about your own Watchtower who did the same thing that I did? I can see you didn't bother to talk about your own Organization.

And God who created heaven and earth knows that I proved you wrong with my references.

And God who created heavens and earth knows that Watchtower also uses the method to deceived you.

Does Watchtower society a liar just as you called me a liar? Now you're calling on God when you cant use the same word you used for me on Watchtower OR when you can prove my post wrong but cant prove watchtower publications wrong. And you think God will be happy!

Your suggestion should best fit you...

You're right and that's why I know the truth.

Mat 24: 45&46 has shown that we'll really have those that'll be feeding us spiritual food..

Yet those who supposed to be feeding you with this spiritual food wrote the same way I wrote which you believed you've proved wrong but never say anything about their writing.

Heb 10: 24&25 shows that it's vital not to forsake our meeting together.

The meeting of the true believers not a liar like JW.

Please, don't quote me again. I won't dignify you with a mention.

Now I should not quote you again after I've exposed the bitter truth about your organization.

You rushed to this thread thinking you've seen an Apostate lying about your organization, you went on vigorous research and came back with a result happy that you've finally cleared issue but unknowingly to you that the OP is just a silence point of turning the table on you.

And see, God will be the Judge between me and you if I never proved your references a huge lie. Bye.

I Agreed! But let the same God be a judge between you and me if you've done enough justice to this thread and let your conscience says of the truth whether you're being truthful to yourself here.

Jessicha:
to quickly expose you

"We are...spirits living in a body of flesh...part of us survives death." (Iblis, Chapter 6-what hope is there for the dead? pg 12)

from which publicatioñ did Jehovahs witnesses declared the above ?

Shaking my head for you, I've said initially that I'm just using the same tactics that JW always used.

This is what you posted to counter that statement, if my statement wasn't there how will you find out?

Humans are made from dust. (Genesis 2:7; 3:19) We are not spirits living in a body of flesh. We are physical creatures, so no part of us survives death.
When we die, Our brain dies too, and our thoughts perish. Thus, Lazarus said nothing about his experience of death because the dead are unconscious.—Read Psalm 146:4; .Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10

The bold parts are the ones I quoted out, then hiding the rest with ellipse just the way your organization usually does.

But remember you said STATEMENTS means PLURAL.

Again, from which source did Richard C declare this statement written by JW?
“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’”

You're now singing another song.

tempem:
You wanted to be noticed!

And you couldn't say this at first but quickly went on research.

But before I'll ignore you,

Have you done a research to confirm what I posted the way you did at beginning? If not you're not being truthful to yourself.

please help me with this: "If witnesses were a false religion, please show me where to head.

They're false religion just as I've proved it with fact and the way you verified my post with fact.

Well you have your Bible, then do more research on It (Use different version, find out what the early fathers practiced and seek God personally).

Jessicha:
there is a Big difference between TOTALLY CHANGING a persons quote as uv done and quoting part of a persons statement.

And you couldn't see this in your organization quote as well hypocrite!

seems u forget that in your own case, YOUR STATEMENTS ARE NOT FOUND IN THE PUBLICATIONS REFERENCED, ARE THEY?

Jesus!!! You can come with this broad day lie.

Show me just one of my statement that was not found in any publication I quoted. Devil himself will be afraid of your lie.

but am happy you show the world that the statements quote by the witnesses are FOUND IN THE AUTHORS QUOTE

SMH...It was found there but twisted and misrepresented. Shame on you for defending the indefensible.

Asiri JW ti tu, opuro .

You don't even have shame

4. JW from Creation Book
“Darwin acknowledged this as a problem. For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eyes … could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”” Creation Book p. 18

What he really said:
”To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false;” Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859, p. 133

5. JW quote from should you believe in Trinity booklet
“And the new Catholic Encyclopedia also says. “And the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]””. Should you believe in Trinity p.6

What it really said:
“The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT. In many places of the OT however, expressions are used in which some of the Fathers of the Church saw references or foreshadowings of the Trinity.

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith