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Jessicha:
continue to make noise ,

Why you continue to defend lie.

how can you quote words out of a single sentence @ underlined and u are not ashamed ?

I see you're still trying harder just prove Watchtower right and still nailed me to cross when what I did was the same thing watchtower did in their publications.

Firstly, you can see ELLIPSES in between those words which means something is missing and by doing that the original view of the author and the true meaning of that sentence is lost. That's why you can verify and came up with the real statement which made you called me A LIAR.

Secondly, Watchtower also used this same tactics by USING an ELLIPSE to hide the true view of the author or lost the actual message the author is conveying.

Lastly, I asked what is the different between what I did and what Watchtower society did?

with reference to Jesus statement at matthew 15:11 . which of these is a fraud and a liar

first man:

dasky: Jesus said that a man is contaminated by " ... what comes out of their mouth" . he quotes part of the statement without altering what he quotes .

the second man :

Emz : Jesus said that " what goes into someones mouth does ... defile them" . he hids #not# , thereby altering the sentence he quotes.

honestly tell me which of them is a liar ?

Your illustration is vague and hold no water.

No matter how you twist it or trying to justify it you're wrong and in fact you're even exposing watchtower publications' fraud more. [size=14pt]in case you don't know Watchtower society uses the two references you sited in short there are many cases where Watchtower society will make a statement and attributed their own statement to the author their quoting. Did I do that here?[/size] so using this line of argument won't help you at all.

Here are the examples:

CASE 1: 4. JW from Creation Book
[size=14pt]“Darwin acknowledged this as a problem.[/size] For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eyes …could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I
freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”” Creation Book p. 18

Look at the underline statement attributed to Darwin, does Darwin acknowledge any problem in his statement? NO! But watchtower said he did.

Look at the ELLIPSE, does anyone reading watchtower quote wont think Darwin truly confess why HIS ACTUAL STATEMENT HAD BEEN HIDDEN AND WHAT THEY LEFT OUT OF HIS STATEMENT WHICH CONCLUDED EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS VIEWS, WERE NOT FOUND.

Lastly, the word by [EVOLUTION] was not the actual statement of Darwin it was inserted by Watchtower the actual words in his statement are "by natural
selection,"

Let me just stop with this case 1 because it's enough evident that your illustration is baseless whereas I'll advice you to go back to my counter posts (FIVE 5 POSTS) which none of you have not refuted and read them one by one this time because I know you didn't bother to read them in details since it's already about Watchtower. You'll see that everything in your illustration covered.

The only people who can't see it in my counter posts are the ones Devil has blinded their conscience.

tempem:
Lol...... I have proved all you wrote to be false..

Between, what do you have to say about your own Watchtower who did the same thing that I did? I can see you didn't bother to talk about your own Organization.

And God who created heaven and earth knows that I proved you wrong with my references.

And God who created heavens and earth knows that Watchtower also uses the method to deceived you.

Does Watchtower society a liar just as you called me a liar? Now you're calling on God when you cant use the same word you used for me on Watchtower OR when you can prove my post wrong but cant prove watchtower publications wrong. And you think God will be happy!

Your suggestion should best fit you...

You're right and that's why I know the truth.

Mat 24: 45&46 has shown that we'll really have those that'll be feeding us spiritual food..

Yet those who supposed to be feeding you with this spiritual food wrote the same way I wrote which you believed you've proved wrong but never say anything about their writing.

Heb 10: 24&25 shows that it's vital not to forsake our meeting together.

The meeting of the true believers not a liar like JW.

Please, don't quote me again. I won't dignify you with a mention.

Now I should not quote you again after I've exposed the bitter truth about your organization.

You rushed to this thread thinking you've seen an Apostate lying about your organization, you went on vigorous research and came back with a result happy that you've finally cleared issue but unknowingly to you that the OP is just a silence point of turning the table on you.

And see, God will be the Judge between me and you if I never proved your references a huge lie. Bye.

I Agreed! But let the same God be a judge between you and me if you've done enough justice to this thread and let your conscience says of the truth whether you're being truthful to yourself here.

Jessicha:
to quickly expose you

"We are...spirits living in a body of flesh...part of us survives death." (Iblis, Chapter 6-what hope is there for the dead? pg 12)

from which publicatioñ did Jehovahs witnesses declared the above ?

Shaking my head for you, I've said initially that I'm just using the same tactics that JW always used.

This is what you posted to counter that statement, if my statement wasn't there how will you find out?

Humans are made from dust. (Genesis 2:7; 3:19) We are not spirits living in a body of flesh. We are physical creatures, so no part of us survives death.
When we die, Our brain dies too, and our thoughts perish. Thus, Lazarus said nothing about his experience of death because the dead are unconscious.—Read Psalm 146:4; .Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10

The bold parts are the ones I quoted out, then hiding the rest with ellipse just the way your organization usually does.

But remember you said STATEMENTS means PLURAL.

Again, from which source did Richard C declare this statement written by JW?
“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’”

You're now singing another song.

tempem:
You wanted to be noticed!

And you couldn't say this at first but quickly went on research.

But before I'll ignore you,

Have you done a research to confirm what I posted the way you did at beginning? If not you're not being truthful to yourself.

please help me with this: "If witnesses were a false religion, please show me where to head.

They're false religion just as I've proved it with fact and the way you verified my post with fact.

Well you have your Bible, then do more research on It (Use different version, find out what the early fathers practiced and seek God personally).

Jessicha:
there is a Big difference between TOTALLY CHANGING a persons quote as uv done and quoting part of a persons statement.

And you couldn't see this in your organization quote as well hypocrite!

seems u forget that in your own case, YOUR STATEMENTS ARE NOT FOUND IN THE PUBLICATIONS REFERENCED, ARE THEY?

Jesus!!! You can come with this broad day lie.

Show me just one of my statement that was not found in any publication I quoted. Devil himself will be afraid of your lie.

but am happy you show the world that the statements quote by the witnesses are FOUND IN THE AUTHORS QUOTE

SMH...It was found there but twisted and misrepresented. Shame on you for defending the indefensible.

Asiri JW ti tu, opuro .

You don't even have shame

4. JW from Creation Book
“Darwin acknowledged this as a problem. For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eyes … could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”” Creation Book p. 18

What he really said:
”To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false;” Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859, p. 133

5. JW quote from should you believe in Trinity booklet
“And the new Catholic Encyclopedia also says. “And the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]””. Should you believe in Trinity p.6

What it really said:
“The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT. In many places of the OT however, expressions are used in which some of the Fathers of the Church saw references or foreshadowings of the Trinity.

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

3. JW quote from Creation Book
“The scientific magazine Discover put the situation this way: “Evolution… is not only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientists. Among palaeontologists, scientists who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the prevailing view of Darwinism”” Creation Book p. 15 Para 4

What he really said:
“Charles Darwin’s brilliant theory of evolution, published in 1859, had a stunning impact on scientific and religious thought and forever changed man’s perception of himself. Now that hallowed theory is not only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientists. Among palaeontologists, scientists who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the prevailing view of Darwinism. …Most of the debate will center on one key question: Does the three-billion-year-old process of evolution creep at a steady pace, or is it marked by long periods of inactivity punctuated by short bursts of rapid change? Darwin’s widely accepted view – that evolution proceeds steadily, at a crawl – favors the tortoise.” James Gorman, “The Tortoise or the Hare?”, Discover, October 1980, p. 88

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

2. JW quote from Creation Book

“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’” Creation p. 143

What he really said:
“…They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life. It was the marvellous fit of organisms to the environment, much more than the great diversity of forms, that was the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer. Darwin realized that if a naturalistic theory of evolution was to be successful, it would have to explain the apparent perfection of organisms and not simply their variation.” – Richard C. Lewontin, “Adaption”, Scientific American, vol 239, September 1978, p. 213

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

1. JW quote from Reasoning from the Scriptures Book

The Greek word rendered “Cross” in many modern Bible versions (“torture stake” in NW) is stauros’. In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake, or pale. Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a CROSSPIECE. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: ”The Greek word for cross, [stauros’], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. …Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.” Edited by P. Fairbrairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.” Reasoning from the scriptures p.89

What he really said:
”The Greek word for cross, (stauros’), properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. But a modification was introduced as the dominion and usages of Rome extended themselves through Greek-speaking countries. Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole, and always remained the more prominent part. But from the time that it began to be used as an instrument of punishment, a traverse piece of wood was commonly added: not however always then. …There can be no doubt, however, that the later sort was the more common, and that about the [size=14pt]period of the Gospel Age, crucifixion was usually accomplished by suspending the criminal on a cross piece of wood.”[/size] The imperial Dictionary p. 376

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

I created this thread not to openly lie about JW beliefs but using the same tactics that JW always employ to deceive their followers in their various magazines.
From the comments so far by few JW members, it’s evident that I (the OP) was tagged a LIAR.

This can be seen as listed below:

Jessicha: In attempt to refute this thread, she started with a Biblical quote (though misrepresented the verse) ‘sweeping “away the refugee of lie”’ Isaiah 28:17. Thereafter, she began to quote the OP serially with a statement LIE 1; LIE 2; LIE 3; LIE 4

Another JW who seems to be more open-minded took to a search and come back with his own findings said;

tempem: You are wrong, sir…Only didn’t verify LIE two(2) and in another place he said “Eventually we found all you said to be FALSE with detailed proof”

One frustrated JW said this;

Xenox: You are a forsaken slanderer and a SUPER LIAR. You TWEAK SENTENCES to propagate your LIES.

The last among them said;

joyandfaith: OP is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Opening thread to lie about JW.

What if you found out that this is how Watchtower Society has been operating all this while, will you have called them a liar?

What if I tell you that this is the same method JW have been employed in their publications?

I’ll only site few instances where JW publications agreed with the OP

JW actual quote will appear in Blue while what they left out will appear normal.

goodnews201668:
Keep calling me names I don't care.
But did you bother to read those portions of the Bible? Read it first and come.

From which version of the Bible NWT or NIV?

Keep calling me whatever you like, I don't care.

Then always use your reasoning faculty to avoid such.

There are other Protestant churches why don't you include them in your list?

Like I use to say, you people lack simple comprehension which is what lead UA to this far.

You asked for the name of my Church, I gave the Church I use to worship DEPENDING on my location yet you are here asking me why I didn't include other churches -:\

This is what I mean for the last time. For instance, I'm in Abuja and that area C.A.C is the only Protestant Church there I'll worship my God there OR I travel to Lagos and MFM is in my area I'll worship my God there OR I travel to Enugu and Church of Christ is there I'll worship my God there UNLIKE you.

JMAN05:
[s]Just see grammar. Your teacher would be proud of you sir.



Emusan, I recommend you employ someone to give you 24 strokes of cane in the morning, 24 strokes in the afternoon and another 24 strokes in the evening. Try it for one month, your delirium will evaporate.

English teacher, I no go school. Let us see you that went to school. I said:

You replied:[/s]

Thrash...you still lack simple comprehension no matter how you tried to paint it.

First, your sentence shows lack of grammatical knowledge. Yet you deem it fit to talk about English.

And you want to tell me you don't make grammatical mistake, right? Look @bold it should be FIRSTLY.

The bold face; you acknowledged from the above that what you mentioned is in the plural while I asked for a church. Who then is not understanding english? You whose sentence is more of grammatical disunity. "are" and then "a name", and "church". Teacher Emusan, if you dont know how to convey your thoughts well in english you ask for help. English teacher!

Olodo...OR is always used in a singular form not in plural as you claimed.

You still lack simple comprehension no matter what, I used OR in response to your question, which means I have in mind RCCG as a Church C.A.C as a Church while the ARE is error which I didn't type intentionally.

No even time for a child like you.
Lack of Comprehension and grammatical error are not the same.

You should have stated you were a spiritual prostitute. Why should I be like you? Do I not read Eph 4:4, 5 and 1cor 1:10?

If that is what you are, no p.

You should have looked at my reply above.

That's why I'll repeat it that you lack simple comprehension, how do those verses prove my faith wrong?

Again, RCCG, C.A.C, MFM, Deeper life e.t.c are ALL PROTESTANT CHURCHES or I am lying?

goodnews201668:
Mattew 7:13,14. Ponder over that. Just one road and it's narrow and cramped that leads to everlasting life. keep limping.

Ephesians 4:3-6 Talks about one body, faith, hope and baptism.
Ponder over that as well, Obviously your aren't sure of your faith.

So you are free to keep jumping from one to the other!

Your ignoramus is alarming.

RCCG, C.A.C, Deeper Life, Winners, MFM are ALL Protestant churches which means I'm a Protestant and I can worship at any protestant church. Do you have problem with that?

What is next in your line of excuse?

JMAN05:
Your comment should have read "RCCG, MFM, C.A.C e.t.c are not a name of a church but..."

All this just to see how he can prove that what he said is one church when it is glaring. habah!

Oga are u not proud of where u worship? do we need to form another thread for this one? nawaooo!

Your English teacher will be greatly regretting of producing a student like you wherever he/she might be now.

Anyway, let me come down to your level of understanding.

My statement simply means, I do worship in RCCG or MFM or C.A.C even Deep Life (depending on the location I am) while my e.t.c means other Protestant Churches which their name is not even common.

NOTE: Even though I worship at different places, what will keep me coming to that church again if peradventure I stay long in that place is the truth I've known in the Bible.

As an Evangelical Christian I worship God wherever I go unlike you who can't go to any place of worship apart from your Kingdom Hall

I don't hold any Bible version above each other that's why I use nothing less than five different versions unlike you who can hypocritically quote from version like KJV, ESV e.t.c but still hold NWT above them.

Artistree:
I have told him many a time not to even read any apostate's post talk more of replying or trying to win an argument with him. I wonder why a ministerial servant will ever bother to create different monikers just to counter an apostate's thread, does it make any sense? Ableguy, goodnews201668 and kindworld should please just stop already or [size=14pt]you might be sinning against Jehovah's holy spirit.[/size]

Please, how can someone sin against inanimate object i.e if Holy spirit is an ACTIVE FORCE according to JW?

goodnews201668:
Keep pruning it, at first it was more than four. No wonder it's even clear in your posts, if you aren't sure of your church why not say it? Or you are scared of criticism?

That's why I use to say you people lack simple comprehension.

I only mentioned two here to ask simple question, is RCCG or MFM not a name of a church or they are JW follower's name?

Get that into your coconut skull.

JMAN05:
Oga, the name of ur church not churches.

And RCCG or MFM are not a name of a Church but a name for JW followers.

You need life.

analice107:
I will let all slide but one. Explain to me how Jesus Christ is an Angel.

Don't mind him, If you read Malachi 3:1 you will see the speaker saying "...BEFORE ME..." The ME in that verse is Jehovah and again, John the Baptist was called a messenger even before his birth, does that make him an Angel? That's how they use to twist scriptures.

analice107:
Now that you preach this Kingdom which Christ is King there, do you preach that it's only being born again by accepting Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, without which you can't enter into that Kingdom?
Am presenting you facts JW and I have talked about.

They will never answer that question because they were not taught to be born again.

Princewell2012:
Mmmmm, what if i tell you that they even makes more sense that other Christian denominations

Have you really takes time to hear them out?

My brother, they're only good in manipulating the scriptures like Devil does.

Imaging an organization who claimed to be directed by God even the very mouthpiece of God but lie & misquote people's statements just to suit their evil agenda.

I know them more than you if you want me to tell you more about them i will because that's my whole responsibility "making known the truth of the scriptures".

Of course if you read their books or listen to them it might make little sense but by the time you check the details of it, it'll full of lies and misrepresentation of people's statements.

goodnews201668:
1. The Bible
The Witnesses believe that “all Scripture is inspired of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16) Jason D. BeDuhn, an associate professor of religious studies, wrote: “[Jehovah’s Witnesses built] their system of belief and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there.” They align their beliefs with the Bible; they do not interpret it to suit themselves. At the same time, they recognize that not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. The seven days of creation, for example, are symbolic, referring to extended periods of time.—Genesis 1:31; 2:4.

Can you give us a link to that Jason D. BeDuhn? So that you can see the reason while I said JW can lie and even misrepresent someone's statements just to suit themselves.

Devil, oneness Pentecostal, Seventh day Adventist e.t.c also believe scriptures were given by God, so what's your point?

2. The Creator
The true God has given himself a personal name—Jehovah (or Yahweh, as used in the Roman Catholic Jerusalem Bible and preferred by some modern-day scholars)—that distinguishes him from false gods. * (Psalm 83:18) The Hebrew form of the divine name appears some 7,000 times in the original text of the Scriptures. Stressing the importance of that name, Jesus said in his model prayer: “Hallowed be thy name.” (Matthew 6:9, King James Version) God rightly demands exclusive devotion. Hence, the Witnesses use no icons or images in their worship.—1 John 5:21.

Then, if the creator has given Himself a personal name and Jesus said "Hallowed be thy name", why Jesus Himself and the Apostles didn't address the creator with that name?

Now, you said and I quote "The Hebrew form of the divine name appears some 7,000 times in the original text of the Scriptures."

Are you saying that New Testament were also written in Hebrew?

So any church that doesn't use icon or image are true church, right?

“The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28
3. Jesus Christ
He is the Savior, “the Son of God,” and “the firstborn of all creation.” (John 1:34; Colossians 1:15; Acts 5:31) As a created being, he is not part of a Trinity. “The Father is greater than I am,” said Jesus. (John 14:28) Jesus lived in heaven before coming to earth, and after his sacrificial death and resurrection, he returned to heaven. “No one comes to the Father except through [him].”—John 14:6.

Well, not only JW believed that Jesus is not God nor in Trinity. Are do you agree with them?

4. God’s Kingdom
This is an actual heavenly government with a King—Jesus Christ—and 144,000 corulers, who are “bought from the earth.” (Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1, 3, 4; Daniel 2:44; 7:13, 14) They will rule over the earth, which will be cleansed of all wickedness and will be inhabited by many millions of God-fearing humans.—Proverbs 2:21, 22.

I guess, your idolater founder Russell is part of the 144,000 while you and other JW who condemned Russell to hell by the slogan "the light getting brighter" will live on earth.

5. The earth
Ecclesiastes 1:4 states: “The earth endures for ever.” (The New English Bible) After the destruction of the wicked, the earth will be made into a paradise and populated forever by righteous humans. (Psalm 37:10, 11, 29) Jesus’ words in prayer “thy will be done in earth” will thus be fulfilled.—Matthew 6:10, King James Version.

See him using King James Version as if he hold it above NWT, that's hypocrite always using your Version because I know if this discussion goes further you'll start disagree with KJV and using your own.

6. Bible prophecy
“God . . . cannot lie.” (Titus 1:2) Hence, what he foretells always comes true, including the Bible prophecies concerning the end of the present world. (Isaiah 55:11; Matthew 24:3-14) Who will survive the coming destruction? “He that does the will of God remains forever,” says 1 John 2:17.

So, I only need to do the will of God not until I belong to any organization. That's interesting!

[qoute]7. Secular authorities
“Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God,” said Jesus. (Mark 12:17) Accordingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses obey the laws of the land when these do not conflict with God’s laws.—Acts 5:29; Romans 13:1-3.[/quote]And the other churches are always violating the laws of the land, I guess!

“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”—Matthew 24:14
8. Preaching
Jesus foretold: “This good news of the kingdom” will be proclaimed earth wide before the end of the present world. (Matthew 24:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses consider it an honor to share in that lifesaving work. Of course, whether people listen or not is their own choice. The Bible says: “Let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.”—Revelation 22:17.

And other church don't preach but only cursing people up and down

9. Baptism
Jehovah’s Witnesses baptize only those who, on the basis of a thorough study of the Bible, want to serve God as one of his Witnesses. (Hebrews 12:1) These symbolize their personal dedication to God by water immersion.—Matthew 3:13, 16; 28:19.

Where other denominations only throw people in the water and allow them to die.

10. The clergy-laity distinction
“All you are brothers,” said Jesus to his followers. (Matthew 23: The early Christians, including the

And other churches take their brethren as an enemy.

criticize these beliefs of Jehovah's witnesses if possible do it one by one, stop digging up irrelevant pasts.

I should stop digging irrelevant pasts but I can see that ALL your Bible quote including Janson are from present.

You don't want to associate yourself with Russell and Rutherford who lived less than 100years ago they are now past but the scriptures you're examining everyday which is over 1000years never become past.

You have refused to mention your founder and church but I don't care.

Read the first post on this page on that.

JMAN05:
what is the name of your church? I wonder why I haven't asked you that question since. Pls tell us where you worship.

This is your new excuse.... I see!

For my church, read the first post on this page.

goodnews201668:
You still haven't answered my questions

I haven't answered your questions or I didn't answer some of your questions?

what are your solution? What alternative have you suggested?

Solution to what exactly?
Suggestion to what precisely?

What's your own church and the founder?

I'm an Evangelical Christian and I do worship at Pentecostal church like RCCG, MFM, C.A.C e.t.c

You and your mentors know JWs

Point of correction, I don't have mentors concerning JW.

very well but most of the things you say about JWs have turn out to be false, is that not slander?

Yet you couldn't show me where I said something that is false about them. Thank God you've already listed my points about JW below.

That book is not the only book that's not on the library. publications prior to 2000 cannot be found on the library. How come you don't know abt this since you know JWs more than them?

Did you ask yourself this simple question, when was it removed? Before you categorized it with the books published prior to 2000.

Again listen you aren't Jehovah to determine who will be resurrected, so leave the Russell and Rutherford matter between them and Jehovah.

Later, you'll be saying what I know about JW is false. Didn't Watchtower claim that Russell is among the people who will rule with Jesus in heaven? Which means Russell already had spiritual resurrection.

Besides, I know I'm not Jehovah neither do I say so but are you a Jehovah also to determine that anybody who does not belong to your organization will not be resurrected?

Jehovah's people have made remarkable changes in the past, maybe you don't know that the common things you guys do or doctrines you guys have we use to have them.

Fine...and that is the bone of my contention.
I know the doctrines we have JW has practiced them more than 50years before.

We keep improving in every aspect,

So the things of eternal life have now turned to the things of human that can change anytime but what you people failed to realized was that people took them as truth and died in them with a believe of being obedient to God.

Please, what is the different between you who think you keep improving in every aspect now and those who have died thinking they have the truth in those change doctrines?

Finally, since you keep improving in every aspect don't you think the things you hold as truth today can be considered false tomorrow by another people?

if you truly know JWs you will bear me witness with this fact.

That's why I'm here telling you that God doesn't work that way, God reveals His will ONCE no change in God's teaching.
That's why;
>>you can claim you follow the teachings of the Apostles but not the past teachings of JW.
>>You can say I should leave Russell and Rutherford's matter between them and Jehovah when you won't hesitate to say the Apostles had already had spiritual resurrection now ruling with Jesus in heaven.

We use to allow polygamy, smoke ciggrates, celebrate December, believe the Trinity doctrine, uses of cross and many other things.

Now, we can ask, what leads to the change of these doctrines? I believed you'll say they are pagan teachings or false teachings, then does Jehovah please with it? I know you'll say NO!

So what is the fate of those who died in these believes? Let's leave it between them and their Jehovah, what? So why are you preaching against these doctrines when you don't know what will befall anyone who died in these doctrines?

Lastly I want to make it clear to you that other major religious groups have also made predictions which later failed.

Do you believe that JW is of no difference from those religious groups?

And I said they are not from God because my Bible tells me that anybody who says, God said! when God has not spoken is a false prophet. In the same breadth, Russell said in 1889 "In this volume we offer a chain of testimony on the subject of God's appointed times and seasons. each link of which we consider SCRIPTURALLY STRONG...It is beyond the breadth and depth of human thought and therefore cannot be of [size=14pt]human ORIGIN"[/size] (Studies In The Scriptures, 1889, vol. 2 p. 15)

You Paul Grundy and others left and all you guys do is to criticize yet fail to tell us other organization that has the truth and that has made remarkable changes throughout the years.

Are they criticizing or saying what JW teaches?

goodnews201668:
Why are you so sure you are doing the right thing by quoting another man's thought always to discredit the JWs, when in effect it has been proven you practically knew nothing about them except lies and exaggerated propaganda promoted by apostates?

This is one of the reason I always shake my head for you people because you always claimed nobody understands any JW teaching once the person doesn't belong to the organization when we've practically proven our statement with fact.
JW prints Watchtower, Awake & some booklets and people to read them but why do you think will dont know anything about them or we only believe lie & propaganda about them?

For instance, JW published a booklet some years back titled "Should you believe in the Trinity?" In fact, some people consider that book to be one of the book that revealed truth about Biblical doctrine but when other people who knows the actual truth in the Bible read that booklet and begins to point out the lie, error & misrepresentation of the early church view. JW doesn't have option than to STOP THE PUBLICATION OF THAT BOOKLET and removed it from their ONLINE LIBRARY.

The question a sincere mind can ask here is, why would they stop the publication and caused its removal from their online library, if the book actual speaks the mind of Jehovah?

Why is it that the same JWs you are bent on and have spent almost all your worth to discredit have on many occasions on this forum corrected some of your beliefs that aren't in line with Bible's teachings?

How can someone who doesn't represent your family history be correcting you on your family story?

Why is it your problem that the organization have admitted their errors and move?

My problem is that, Russell didn't admit his mistake and error likewise Rutherford. They both live and died in their believes with a belief of having the TRUTH & being directed by God, the same thing JW still claimed today! So, how can God allowed Russell and Rutherford to die as an idolater if God truly directed them? Don't you think God doesn't in support if their organization?

Every house not built by God always divided against itself, don't you think that's why JW of today are against most of the teachings if Russell?

CAPTIVATOR:
Emusan , see your life ... not even one you could point

As your life...when you already know what you belief.

tempem:
okay, what's your point? Do you have trust in the bible? If you do, I think that's a problem 'no 1' solved.

Repeat yourself, please!

JMAN05:
Thats not the question

Tell us the question...

Richirich713:
Because most christians believe they mistranslate and twist the bible.

Please point of correction not that "MOST CHRISTIANS BELIEVE" Watchtower actually misquotes, mistranslates & twists the scripture.

Not on Bible alone but majority of their source.

tempem:
Relax, sir. I'll never denied being a witness. Check my former post on this same thread, you'll see where I clearly quoted a part in our daily text.

Neither do I accuse you of denying it.
I made that statement when I saw your previous post

Yes back to my question, you said no, isn't it? But not everyone accepts that from the bible.

Yeah, and not everyone accepts the virgin Birth and hellfire. Are you satisfied?

CAPTIVATOR:
which teaching exactly ?

The one you believed in.

CAPTIVATOR:
good you finally understand my earlier statement that Jehovah's witnesses are not following/idolizing any man.

So where did you read it from my post you quoted that JW should idolize any man before you spew this thrash?

now, show me one belief of Jehovah's witnesses that's not scriptural ?

Even the devil himself uses scripture to dialogue with Jesus.

tempem:
Dear, for sampling. Does the bible teaches that all good people goes to heaven?

No! But this doesn't address the thread, dear.

It's just clear that you're one of them...no wonder!