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goodnews201668:
That one uses or prefer a particular translation to others doesn't mean he doesn't trust the other ones.

Then ask him; do you agree with the rendering of John 1:1 by RSV, JB, NAB e.t.c?

If he doesn't then he is an hypocrite because for a translator to left a portion out which is the best to you, the translator's work must be accepted throughout.

goodnews201668:
He said other translations, is the NWT the only translations out there?

I know but you don't know! How?

He cited some translations but tell him to show us how those translations rendered some certain verses in the Bible i.e John 1:1, Heb 1:8; then ask him if he agree with them? There you will understand that NTW is their only trusted version of the Bible other translations can be quoted hypocritically when it suits them.

tempem:
If you must know, sir, here they are:
Rs(Revised Standard Version)
NE(The new English Bible)
TEV(Good News Bible)
JB(The Jerusalem Bible)
NAB(The new American Bible)
They left it out.

Do you believe these translations were accurate in their rendering or the translators were accurate in their work?

If you take these translations serious just because they omitted certain verse but disagree with them on other verse that makes you an hypocrite.

tempem:
well, a closer look at other translations will help you gain insight as to what has happened to this part you referenced... PLEASE DO CHECK IT..

Which other translations are you really talking about and Which translation do you trust apart from your NWT?

VictorRomanov:
So?

...that you can use your head next time!

joyandfaith:
smh

For you....when you have nothing meaningful to say!

VictorRomanov:
The original Paul Grunby was a witness but left when he got tired of living according to what is expected of him as a witness. Ever since, he has dedicated his life to attacking the witnesses. He is not Nigerian!

But the same thing can be said about Watchtower Society because their not Nigerian!

The one on Nairaland is just a Nigerian who enjoys reading Paul's comments and posting them here. He has never been a witness and only studied with them.

Just as you a Nigerian enjoying reading the articles of Watchtower Society and get drunk with them.

In all they re both drawing attention to Jehovah witnesses indirectly and those who are curious by nature would definitely want to find out more.

Have you taken your time to find out anything about Watchtower Society?

milkymesh:
I have been here for about a decade and I,m yet to see anyone so bitter and hateful in his post on NL than PaulGrundy.
Where you at anytime a JW?
Where you chased out?
PaulGrundy bitterness made me to research the JW sometime ago. In my opinion, I will rank them among the first among the different christian denomination in terms of making effort to follow what they believe the bible recommends.
When it comes to readiness to die for what they believe in among believers of the different world religion, they are second after the Muslims.
PG, what religion, denomination, way, part etc are you.
Please recommend a church, way, or religion for us since you seem to know more than every other NL.
Thanks.

He didn't hate them but only exposing the deceptive tactics that Watchtower Society is using to keep her followers under bondage of destruction.

That's why you will see that JW here don't use to refute any of his post rather they've termed him as an Apostate. In fact, their old members sometimes always encourage the new ones never to reply his post.

Rilwayne001:
Believe whatever you want mr. Man. I didn't come to this thread to answer foolish question or to indulge in any futile argument. I only came to clear the allegation truthman2012 placed on me.

As you yourself can see, I didn't come for the original post.

You can always ask Google your questions. I owe you no answer, do i?

Eyah, does it pain you? Bro biko no vex!

Rilwayne001:
He has the right actually but he has no right to alleged that I carry dagger around threatening to behead people until they accept islam. That's totally unacceptable.



Okay.

That's Unacceptable!

Let me ask you these

It's generally believe in Islamic theology that Prophet Isa is coming back;

1. Is he going to be as a new born baby or return from heaven the way he was taken to heaven?

2. What are the signs that Allah will show to let people know that truly this is prophet Isa and not just self acclaimed someone?

3. Was he going to be born/descended in Israel, Saudi, Nigeria or India?

Rilwayne001:
You shouldn't have mentioned me.

He has the right man....
You would have just stated your second post

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dolphinheart:
I initially did not want to respond to this post, but I decided to share why I have reservations about responding.
I dnt like it when someone deliberately cut part of my post off in his or her response to my post.,
if you want me to respond to you, pls dnt cut part of my explanations off to make it look weak, expecially not the scriptures I quoted to surpport it.
You can correct this anomaly by goING back to my previous post, qoute it, but leaving my words intact and complete!

No one is forcing you to respond to any post. Like I care!

Meanwhile, I cut those statements especially the quotations because I'm using my phone not system and not time for unnecessary post.

The summary of my point here are:
1. The Apostles spoke in tongues and everybody hearing them understood what they are saying. Who interpreted it to those people? Not any human being but Holy Spirit Himself. Which means, Holy spirit is the one who gave the utterances as He wants for a purpose.

2. Do the Apostles speak to themselves on that day or edifying themselves? They edifying themselves! That's why no interpreter was needed.

3. 1 Corin 14:2 makes it clear that speaking in tongues sometimes are personal dealing with God which no man will understand.

4. It's evident from Apostle Paul's writings that speaking in tongues to deliver message to the congregation (Just like prophesying, Teaching e.t.c) is different from speaking in tongues personally to commune with God.

Summary of your confusion!

1. Your confusion stems out when you think there is only one type of speaking in tongues which is 'in congregation' that's why you think interpreter MUST always available.

2. Thinking since everyone could understand what the Apostles were saying that day, everyone speaking in tongues today must follow the same pattern forgotten that it is the Holy spirit who gave the utterance as He wills.

3. Inability to distinguish between when someone is edifying him/herself through speaking in tongues which no man understands him/her and when someone is passing a message to the congregation through speaking in tongues.

MizJanet:


I cannot laugh oooooo , which part of the world is abracadabra spoken ? which tribe ?

How do you know is abracadabra?

Since you quote a place where Apostle said to have spoke in tongues more than the people and you also know that tongues is languages, can you tell us the exert languages of people Apostle Paul spoke during that time?

I know even if Apostle Paul was in our midst today speaking in tongues you'll still call it gibberish/abracadabra because you're just an Atheist.

Barristter07:
hahahaha which concept , the whole human race is ONE MAN , lol

even a primary school kid will never say such nonsense grammar.

no wonder you call it MY CONCEPT" .. u can teach that to ur church, IBI ko lo ti maa se yen, ko possible.

I can see that simple comprehension is hard for you. I went further to make my point clear by inserting (NATURE). Which can simply be said ONE NATURE.

Why cant you admit the same explanation of ONLY one Lord for " One God" in that same verse ?

That's why I said you must understand the concept I'm presenting to you before we dive into explanation of that verse. Till now I haven't come to explain anything about the verse just presenting a concept for you to grab and using your own logic which you also failed to admit.

MizJanet:
you are doing a bad job defending the gibberish here, u keep saying 'Tongues ( plural) which points to multiple tongues or languages .

I think there was a place in the same passage where This same paul claims to speak MORE tongues than his colleagues . 3D evidence that tongues in this bible verses are languages . and not some gibberish

i found it 1 Corinth 14:18

You're still living in your delusion.

You called it gibberish but said tongues to be a language then tell me, how many languages do you think we have in Nigeria talk less of the whole world?

How do you know that what the person is saying, isn't some people languages just because it isn't a common languages like German, French, Portuguese, Spanish e.t.c? in my village alone we have FOUR different languages.

Honestly, with this your post I can truly see your confusion.

dolphinheart:
on this thread, it's the result we are talking about, not the cause. watHever the holy spirit did or hoW it did it,

Imaging IT did something....can inanimate do something? Anyway that's not the talk for today.

No! You can't tall about result without talking about CAUSE. The point here is, it's the Holy Spirit's WILL thats why people can understand them without the means of INTERPRETER.

people could understand the language of those speaking in tongues.

So who interpret the tongues speaking by the Apostles on the day of Pentecost?

They even mentioned some of those languages.
can that be said about those who speak in tongues today!

Like I said that's how Holy spirit wants it because according to the blessed Apostle Paul we know that someone can even speak in the tongues of angels.

now Emusan, does your church follow Pauls guidelines when speaking in tongues in the congregation.?
is their an interpreter ?

Then you only focus on speaking in tongues in the congregation when you didn't bother to ask were those speaking in tongues delivering message to the congregation or edifying themselves?

I still truly want to know the interpreter of the day of Pentecost.

does the speaker keep quiet when their is no interpreter?

Does the speaker tell you s/he is delivering message to the congregation or edifying him/herself?

now as to the verse you quoted
King James Version
1Co 14:2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You didn't address the verse you only succeeded in giving your own interpretation to divert from the actual meaning of that verse.

if you speak in a language that is not understood by men, e.g speaking in swahilI to people that only understand yoruba.

That's not what the verse is saying.

They will not understand you despite that you are speaking in tongue with the Holy spirit!, that is why in the congregation, an interpreter of the language you are speaking in tongue with is needed, so that you wunt be termed a babar Ian!

I agree with you because i was just imaging if Holy spirit inspired somebody in Australia's congregation to speak my village language whereby the whole congregation are Australians, interpreter is also needed but what if the person only edifying his/herself? No interpretation is needed.

All men understood what the Apostles where saying based on their respective languages.

So nobody actually interpreted it but Holy spirit Himself provided the interpretation. That's why I'll repeat it that you people didn't fully understand what actually happened on the day of Pentecost. Whereas, the Bible made it clear that "everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language AS The Spirit gave them the utterance."

In conclusion, speaking in tongues is not a pattern rather AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE.

MizJanet:
who is confuse ? is it You or Paul ?

Neither Apostle Paul nor me is confused here but only the person who couldn't grab the message the blessed Apostle is conveying.

please if No man is gonna understand, how will the Interpreter understand in other to interpret?

Then you will need to understand that there's different between SPEAKING IN TONGUES to pass message to the congregation [color=red]AND SPEAKING IN TONGUES by oneself in communicating with God. Which the blessed Apostle had thoroughly explained.

If I may ask,what happened on the day of Pentecost; were ALL THE PEOPLE speaking in tongues delivering message to themselves or they were just speaking in tongues, is there any interpreter that day or they only communicate with their God?

is the interpreter not a man ?

Not ALL SPEAKING IN TONGUES need interpretation UNLESS GOD wants to pass message to the congregation through speaking in tongue, you can be praying by speaking in tongues, does that need interpreter too?

That's why if you read Apostle Paul details about speaking in tongues it dualistic 1. Using speaking in tongues to communicate to God personally & 2. God passing a message to the congregation through that medium which needs INTERPRETER but you people confused the two together.

Go back and read that 1 Corin 14:2 slowly this time.

Barristter07:
the concept of son of God is found in the hebrew Scriptures is the focus of this discussion.

Then where did you find it? i.e that ANY SON involved in the creation work or the creation was done through any Son? in the Hebrew scripture?

even though u know its perfectly wrong.

When you don't know what to say again.

Now do you get the point? That's the main thing here.

@ underlined ... then, this thread is not for you

the OP is trying to see if a trinitarian after explaining one Lord in that verse is ONLY one Lord and not 3 in 1 lord , can accept that " one God " in that verse is ONLY one God too !!!

It's for me because you're not to grab my point is your problem. The whole things boiled down to how you understand my concept of human race as ONE MAN(NATURE).

Barristter07:
@ bold.

"
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!

Or who stretched the line upon it?
On what were its bases sunk,

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or who laid its cornerstone,
when the morning stars sang together
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and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

" Job 38: 5-7

That's wonderful, so you mean Only Job has the concept of son of God in the OT? Besides, it's God Himself who is asking the question not Job talking about the SONS(plural) of God unlike king Nebuchanezzar who confessed the Son of God personally and He isn't a Jew.

Lastly, the Son of God I'm talking about is the one who ALL THINGS were created through Him. Do they(the OT people) have the concept?

dont let confusion set in .

ONE MAN is a single man . MAN/Nature is another point entirely.

the prefix "ONE" changed the whole meaning.

if u are reffering to the whole human race, its safe to say MAN.

but by adding the prefix ONE " to MAN. it refers to a single person.

we're ALL MAN ? thats gramatically wrong. we are all MEN (plural ) is correct.

You're just coming up! The MAN here is NATURE so if you replace NATURE with MAN. You'll get ONE NATURE.

So, for me to say human race/mankind is ONE MAN(NATURE) I'm right.

Thanks for the correction but I know what I'm saying.

Now do you get the whole gist?

in line with the bold, I ASKED : if one Lord means ONLY ONE Lord , then God in that same verse is ONLY ONE God , agree ?

ONLY ONE God ? just as u admit for only one Lord.


"
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There is ^one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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^one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all. " Eph 4: 4-6

Whereas I didn't make my point through that verse alone. My point was through the whole NT revelation itself.

OT = ONLY ONE LORD (God)
NT = ONLY ONE LORD (Jesus Christ)

dolphinheart:
sir, the disciples words on speaking in tongues are self explanatory.
when the disciples first spoke in tongues, it was said that the people who saw them do it where able to understand them!
can that be applied to the speaking in tongue of today? hope you will answer.

This is my reply to someone's post above which is a gross misunderstanding of what actually happened on the day of Pentecost.

This is the main part you people always miss, everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language [size=14pt]AS The Spirit gave them the utterance.[/size] You people always miss the fact that it was HOW & WHAT The Holy Spirit wants them to speak THAT they will speak, it's not a PATTERN forever and this is an evident that The Holy Spirit has A WILL.

later when the apostles was talking about speaking in tongue in a congregation(church), he specified guidelines to be followed, do you follow it those guidelines today?

Does it come to your understanding that what Apostle Paul was talking about there, is passing a message to the congregation?

Infact Apostle Paul said "For he that speaketh in an UNKNOWN TONGUES speaketh not unto men, but unto God: [size=14pt]for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM;[/size] howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1Corin 14:2

Things to notice here:
1. The language is an UNKNOWN TONGUES
2. The speaker speaks not UNTO MEN but God
3. NO MAN UNDERSTANDS the speaker but you people ALWAYS PROVE that the speaker supposed to be understood every time).

My emphasis is on point 3 'NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM' please if what happened on the day of Pentecost is a PATTERN everyone speaking in tongues must follow why would Apostle Paul here say again that NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM?

Remember, everyone (ALL MEN) in that place understood what the Apostles were saying as you stated in your post.

Barristter07:
1 Chronicles 28:6 " He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. "

Solomon is here called son of God.

show us where they described God as three person in one God ?

Solomon being called the Son of God is very understandable to all Bible students.

But my own 'Son of God' is the one who was with the Father before the creation.

Do they have that concept? May be you can show us from the scriptures.

Mind you, this isn't even the only concept the OT people couldn't fathom about God.

present your fact and the terminology u used to arrive at that conclusion, then I can speak on this.

OK, what I mean is this by NATURE mankind (that is human race) is ONE MAN (only ONE nature), true or false?
So if I say; we're ALL MAN, I don't expect you to think of a female to be called MAN in respect of using MAN for a male. I'm expecting you to grab the distinction between human being and other beings.

the bold is the main concern of this thread, if one Lord in that scripture is ONLY one Lord and not three in one Lord , then do u admit that one God in the same verse is ONLY one God ?

You missed the point. I said "GOING BY YOUR LOGIC" That is, if the OT people have the concept of ONE GOD. Then on that note, they (OT people) also have ONLY the concept of ONE LORD (which is God) and in the NT the ONLY ONE LORD we have is Jesus Christ. Grab that!

ONLY one ?

Yes One!

Barristter07:
the concept of one God known to Abraham, moses, Jacob ànd the jews is simply one single person known as God or supreme being.

Just as the concept of 'Son of God' was not known to them.

but trinitarians object that one God is actually a combination of three persons and EACH is God.

But do you object to the fact that the whole human race is ONE MAN? Your understanding of this statement will determine your level of understanding of Trinity.

again , one God cannot be three persons. its either one Single God or nothing else.

Your conclusion is irrelevant here. What matters is the revelation God reveals about Himself.

CAN ANY TRINITARIAN USE THE SAME ILLEGAL LOGIC THEY USE IN EXPLAINING THE TRINITY TO EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE:



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Ephesians 4:4-6 International Standard Version (ISV)
There is one body and one Spirit. Likewise, you were called to the one hope of your calling.
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There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all.




does it mean there are three persons in one Lord?

Going by your logic, there's only ONE LORD known in the OT which is God but in the NT Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE LORD. That means Jesus Christ is God.

three in one HOPE ?

three in one FAITH ?

three in one baptism ?

Are these things person?

** is this scripture to be understood as single one or three in one ?

To be understood as ONE!

JMAN05:
With do respect sir, we never said the holy spirit left the earth, do not resort to lies bro. Emusan is not ready for a calm and sincere discussion. That's why I ignore him. Do u also want to be like him?

Do I even care? Please if you know you can't refute my post stop mentioning my moniker.

I know the next thing you will tag me is to call me an APOSTASY simply because I always expose your Watchtower Publications' lies.

You ignored me; for what? Am I the one who controlled your brain to write that Prov 8 is ALLEGORICALLY talked about Jesus Christ who was endowed with the wisdom of God? OR I force you to write that Prov 8 is a prove that INANIMATE THING can be given ANIMATED ATTRIBUTES? OR used your hand to type that Prov 8 is a prove that the Father is talking to His Son Jesus Christ on the same breath of writings?

Just show people on this thread that I was the who attributed those statements to you that you never said anything like that.

Mr man wake up from your delusion!

donnie:
Thank you jare.

Confusion is what you get when you gather info from everywhere (JWs, atheism etc) as long as they support your claims.

There are actualIy more, if we probe further but i hardly notice since i'm in "preaching mode" (not argument) most of the time.

They are Jehovah Witness who have right to tell a part of the Bible that is LITERAL or ALLEGORY even when most Bible scholars disagreed with their claim.

That's what you get when one decides to twist the Word of God out of context.

JMAN05:
Include whatever u want to include in ur reply, let's dig for knowledge together. this isn't a fight.

I know than u do.

You know nothing about me sir. The brother has said it all "Wisdom is inanimate to you when it suits you and a living person when it doesn't" Which in my summary what I termed 'Your Confusions'.

You're not the only JW who has made that statement almost all JW do. They are so quick to use Prov 8 as a prove that some INANIMATE THINGS were given personality in the Bible. [size=14pt]THIS IS DONE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM THAT HOLY SPIRIT ISN'T A PERSON.[/size] But when they want to prove that Jesus was created they sited THIS SAME Prov 8.

This is to tell you how you people cherry pick the word of God to suit whatever you want it support. Mind you that's how you do to the WHOLE SCRIPTURE.

Your own is to prove my post wrong by showing me where you didn't make those summarized statement.

Jozzy4:
u are speaking with jozzy4 not watchtower society . dont be an idiot

I know who I'm speaking with but I have to address your origin because watchtower society is the one that formatted your brain.

joyandfaith:
no gain in replying useless thread. you will soon tire. [size=14pt]it is only a fool that keep defending right in internet with chronic liars.[/size]

You're a fool indeed for parading the internet every hour defending right of your satanic Watchtower LIES.

You called me PATHOLOGICAL LIAR but when your organization deceptive quotes of the same nature like the OP were put right on your very face you couldn't say a word anymore. Hypocrite!

At least nobody among you could prove my quotations wrong that's why you people trying harder to divert from the main point.

Jozzy4:
no, I dont recognize Jesus as the KEY , I recognize Krishna, Ifa and Zeus !!
idiot man .

Of course! Those are the gods of watchtower society.

Jozzy4:
mr man ! regurgitating the name Jesus up and down is not what the verse is saying. it means recognizing Jesus as the key to Salvation

What do I expect from you before!

Then why are you shouting the name JEHOVAH up and down if Jesus is the only Key to the means of salvation?

Then do you recognise Jesus as THE KEY to your salvation or your organization is the key?

Jessicha:
yes, only one name given AMONG MEN. so its silly of you to bring Jehovah into the bracket , is Jehovah a man ?

Was Jesus Christ a man now, which name was given among men & which name are you using in your devotion everyday?

paulGrundy:

You can see how ALL of them avoid this thread like a plague but before they were screaming LIAR. Now that the table has turn on them they went mute.