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JMAN05:
A big time clown, a flimflammed buffoon. He lies and lies and cannot say the church he attends cos he knows what the preaching comparison will do. He is just a phony.

@bold just let me see you use one useless excuse to run away from any thread again.

Segehvoice:
Ramans 6 v 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin
Romans 6v 23 For the wages of sin is death:but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord..So get it,death is enough punishment,

@bold is what makes JWs say that people sins are forgiven at death. Now kindly answer this question!

You believe some JWs will survive the Armageddon and the same people will pass into the paradise earth, so when was these people's sins forgiven?

God told Adam that he would die not that he will be thrown into hellfire, so get ur interpretation right.

Yet Jehovah says He will destroy people with fire at Armageddon

Anytime you says God will throw people into hellfire,You make God looks wicked and cruel or what can someone do that will make God to throw him into hell indefinitely,and God will close his ears to agonies forever.

But God is not wicked when He use fire to devour people and watch them roast to death even allow worm and birds to eat up the Armageddon victim's flesh. Hypocrite!

How cruel will God be in the sight of Angels and Humans in heaven

Answer it yourself!

Jozzy4:
after reading the bold , you expect me to take you serious ?

Olodo, this is what I wrote on that thread and that was 2013

"So I used all the names of God; be Jehovah, I Am, Jealous(in provocative prayer) but conscience of biaslism won't allow some people to use other name."

Like I said, the rendering of Jehovah is wrong even your organization know.

Jozzy4:
That makes you a Liar.

Here you testify Jehovah is Gods name


https://www.nairaland.com/1524683/reason-why-jehovah-witnesses-call


Here you testify again that Yahweh is Gods name in Hebrew



https://www.nairaland.com/2520043/what-makes-god-god/1


So what is your problem ?

Imaging, quoting different thread to justify your lie is alarming.

When I said I used God's Name Jehovah and I said the great Yahweh in Hebrew, am I proving something different or similar between the Names?

Why can't you quote what lead to those statements?

I repeat, the rendering of Jehovah is inaccurate which makes your organization name to be wrong.

Jozzy4:
Yahweh in Hebrew , Jehovah in English.

Why is it convenient for you to lie openly like this? Devil himself will be afraid at your lie. One word fear God!

OLAADEGBU:
Is Sunday the Christian Sabbath? Did Christianity move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?

No specific day for Sabbath any more after Christ has come.

Jozzy4:
smiles.. but is it only Jehovah's witnesses that should use the name Sir ?

Even the rendering JEHOVAH is inaccurate which means your organization name is also wrong. YAHWEH is more accurate than Jehovah.

So spear us that!

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness. No reply ?

You wont see them on a thread like this my brother, even when they come to my place and I asked this question they will stylishly run away and never come back even with a promise that they will come again.

cnonyechi:
I HEAR U

Are you a male?

I once created a thread and this is what I wrote:

>The earth itself is revolving at a speed of 1000 miles per hour at the equator. If it were to revolve at only 100 miles per hour, night and day would increase ten times in duration, plants would be scorched in the day and seedlings would be frozen to death at night.

>If the atmosphere were thinner than at present, millions of meteors which are burned up in the air would fall to earth and cause terrible fires." {Wu, Questions Concerning the Faith , pp. 5-6. See also Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 163}.

>Liquid water, if it exists elsewhere, is rare. Most of the universe consists of flaming gasses or frozen desolation:

>If earth had just a little more water, continents would not extend above sea level.

>Had there been more CO2 earth would probably have remained to hot to host life, much like Venus.

>The most common stars in galaxy are - fainter than the sun and nearly 100 times more numerous - these are uninhabitable for other reasons. Our star is just OK! {Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 51-54, 270}

>Earth is situated at the right distance from the center of our galaxy. Closer to the center, there are too many deadly gamma rays and X-rays. However, a planet too far out from the center of its galaxy would not have a metal core which produces magnetism which is also helpful in protecting earth from harmful radiation. {PeterD. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 28-29}.

>If the moon were closer to the earth the tide would flood all lands even the high mountains. In addition, "Earth's climatic stability is dependent to a large extent on the existence of the Moon." {James Kasting as quoted in Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 266}.

>If the earth were the size of its moon, its gravity would not be strong enough to hold an atmosphere; too large, its gravity would crush us to the ground.

Not only is the proportion of oxygen to the other gasses just right to let us breathe, but also to provide an ozone layer which stops the ultraviolet radiation which would otherwise destroy all life.

>If the ozone layer were too thick, not enough heat would reach the earth, if too thin, ultraviolet rays would penetrate and kill all life.

>If the earth's available oxygen, both in the atmosphere and absorbed in water were much less, animal life on land and in the sea could not exist. If there were much more oxygen, fires would rage out of control.

>While most materials contract when they freeze, water expands by about one-eleventh of its volume. This makes ice float on top of a lake, preventing the lake from freezing all the way through and killing all the fish.

Remember 'natural selection' does not apply here.

Let's take a look at it this way:

APC:- PDP has destroyed this country by looted the treasury dry.

APC:- The recovery money isn't enough to revive the economy.

This means the money looted by PDP are in real sense not up to those medal figures

firestar:
Emusan. You are rude.

Lol...typical JWs

firestar:
With that rude response, I commend him further. Show proper courtesy please.

Show me what rude in my post, just highlight them!

Don't forget to answer my question

firestar:
Commendable work you're doing JMAN05.

Which work is he doing please?

Can you answer this: you believe some people will survive the Armageddon and that people pay the wages for their sins at death.
Now my question is; when did people who survive the Armageddon pay for their sins?

>God and the spirits being have a body
>Spirit is nothing but a mere life force not a personality on its own
>Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.
>The man Jesus has only one nature which is just MAN no divine.
These are widely believes of all Jehovah Witnesses.

With this in mind, let's look at the logical reason behind how JWs explained the way the Son of God (Jesus Christ) was sent to earth.

“Unlike any human, Jesus lived in heaven as a spirit person before HE WAS BORN ON EARTH (John 8:23)” (Good news from God, pg. 8.) This means a BEING(non-human) with a body and spirit lives in heaven before came to earth.

This statement seems to agree with other Bible believing Christians about Jesus Christ that The man Jesus is both Divine and Man as having two natures i.e the Divine person dwells in the human body God produced in the ovum of Mary. Heb 10:5

JWs disagree with this by saying Jesus only had one nature which is MAN only.

KEY NOTE: If God said He sent His Son into the world and JWs confirmed that this Son lives in heaven before He was born on earth but later said Jesus had only one nature; I ask what did God actually send?

JWs seem to have answer to this question by saying:
“God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE from heaven to the womb of a virgin Jewess named Mary…” (Good news from God, pg.

KEY NOTE: Notice that it was the LIFE of the Son that was sent and this is the people who believe that the spirits being have a BODY. So, where is the body that this LIFE was removed? No JWs can provide a reasonable answer to this and in other word it means Jehovah killed His Son not that He sent Him since JWs believed that Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.

Moreover, saying "God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE..." we can then ask JWs what do they believe about LIFE itself?
These are the people who believe that LIFE/SPIRIT in every being is nothing but LIFE FORCE, that's why Holy Spirit was believed to be an ACTIVE FORCE of God and human's spirit to be a mere force that energises the body. So, life/spirit in general doesn't have any personal trait in it.

Then, we can as well ask JWs that doesn't this mean that Jehovah actually killed His Son and eventually sent nothing to earth? Though, they will never say YES to this question but in critical view of their claim it boils down to this.

In Summary for better understanding
>God sent His Son (a being with body and spirit/life) to earth
>But it was only His LIFE that God transferred
>Which means the body of the Son is lifeless in heaven
>And life to an average JWs is nothing but a mere life force that energises the body
>It simply means that God killed His Son and end up sent nothing to earth.

I come to conclude that JW's Jesus is totally different from the TRUE Biblical Jesus which other Bible believing Christians know because God can not lie for He said, He sent His Son and His Son also said in many places that His Father sent Him even makes reference to His existence before He came to earth.

Jesus once asked people "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"
It is not meaningless life/life force that lives in heaven before but the real Son of God and it was this same Son of God that is going back to heaven.

JMAN05:
Let it slide since u aren't civil.

Quick cover

safarigirl:
my dear, me sef dey wonder. Nothing happened in Gwagwalada

People can lie eee,

Even me from Kubwa didn't see a shit

JMAN05:
You are asking a question that the scriptures do not answer.

So your organization reads into the scripture what is not there

The Bible didn't state a step by step activity that will turn the earth to a paradise.

But your organization knows the step by step how earth will become paradise.

Of course, work would have to be done, but no step by step details as to what will be done and how in the scriptures.

Since you know this why are you perambulating all this while

So tell us the work that will be done.

Where did JW say that Jesus body was lying in state in heaven?

But Jesus' LIFE FORCE was removed from a BODY, isn't it?

So life is tangible, why not at least doodle what it looks like let us see?

Life may not be tangible to you since you can create it.

See how our Insight book puts it:

"Prior to this, Jehovah’s angelic messenger had informed the virgin girl Mary that she would ‘conceive in her womb’ as the result of God’s holy spirit coming upon her and His power overshadowing her. (Lu 1:30, 31, 34, 35) [size=14pt]Since actual conception took place, it appears that Jehovah God caused an ovum, or egg cell, in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. (Ga 4:4) Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word,[/size] and only in this way could he have been an actual son of Mary and hence a genuine descendant of her forefathers Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and King David and legitimate heir of the divine promises made to them."

Just look at the @bold and tell me how this was done if Jehovah didn't transfer anything.

You repeat it here that Jah transferred the LIFE OF HIS SON; so was the Son still in heaven after Jah used the life of His Son to fertilized the Ovum inside Mary?

Does the Son suddenly vanish out of existence after His life was used to fertile Ovum?

Was the LIFE also another PERSONALITY of the Son because I can only see that you make reference to the LIFE alone here?

If His Life wasn't another PERSONALITY, does that not make God a liar when He actually sent NOTHING and He claimed He sent His Son?

From the results revealed in the Bible, [size=14pt]it would appear that the perfect male life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum,[/size] thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose."

Again look at the @bold, once more; does this life force another PERSONALITY of the Son?
After the LIFE FORCE caused the conception what happened to WHOLE NATURE of the Son or does the Son only exist as LIFE FORCE?

The life of Jesus was transferred. This life force isn't a self conscious person.

Then what happened to the rest of Jesus Nature i.e BODY or this LIFE FORCE is the whole nature of the Son and does not reside inside any body?

Gods holy spirit is capable of transferring Jesus life force into a human ovum without having to take anything from Jesus just like God did when Jesus died on earth. This is highly possible.

Just Imaging a life will be taking from a body yet something has not been taking from that person I'll bookmark this for future reference

Let even say the life was taken and yet nothing was taken from Him, now was the divine Jesus still in heaven when the man Jesus was on earth? Because it means the Son will be intact as NOTHING has change in His nature.

About the death of Jesus as you said, that's RECREATION not RESURRECTION

No one knows what a spirit body looks like to describe whether it is lying in state while Jesus came to earth. It would be futile to venture into that argument of which we have no scriptural clue. I don't think our publications has gone on to comment on that.

OHHHH is it not the same spirit body that those who came out of resurrection will take on? This spirit body will know it's not corruptible neither destroyed.

So what happened to Jesus' body that the LIFE FORCE was removed? Because the BODY without the LIFE FORCE is dead....do you agree?

Oga is what is drawn in that picture so detailed to you? That an adult spirit became a baby and then became an adult. If that is the detail you need. Smh for u.

LOLzzzz it's your organization you should shake your head for not me.

ONLY myopic mind like you won't understand what that picture depicted.

You can also ask when Jesus died and say to His Father, 'to you I entrust my spirit', what did Jesus send to his Father?

Every Bible believing Christians know that Jesus entrusted His Spirit that about to leave His body to the Father, which proves that the LIFE FORCE or SPIRIT resides inside a body. Just as Jesus gave His spirit/LIFE FORCE on the cross to His Father and His BODY REMAINS there, likewise when Jah removed His LIFE FORCE before He came to earth His BODY must also remain somewhere. [size=14pt]Why will Jah kill His own DEAR SON for removing His LIFE FORCE?[/size]

In fact it's not a problem to those who believe that there is a SPIRIT inside every one that lives on after it departed from the body RATHER it should be a great problem to JWs who doesn't believe that our spirit lives on after departed from the body.

So if I may ask, what did Jesus give to His Father 1. Ordinary life like Air 2. A conscious Life?

When the life force was in the ovum, what was it doing, was the conscious life force dancing Azonto inside Mary's ovum. What about the life force of animals? When they die, does it go to heaven to dance shoki?

Leave Animal out of this,

So the LIFE FORCE inside the ovum was it CONSCIOUS of Itself or just ordinary life like air?
NOTE: if it conscious of itself, that means what is inside Mary is DUALISTIC in NATURE one divine one man....but I know you won't agree with this likewise if it is not conscious it means NOTHING from the Son was inside Mary just ordinary air and both can't be true!

If you have nothing reasonable, I ll end this discussion.

It's you who need to look at the absurdity in your post and cover your head in shame.

QUOTE OF THE DAY: "Gods holy spirit is capable of transferring Jesus life force into a human ovum without having to take anything from Jesus" JMAN05 2016

One thing I keep telling people prior to 2015 election was that Ex-President Jonathan was not as bad the way APC portraits him neither President Buhari was as good the way APC sold him.

One thing is very sure Nigerian will still never learn their lesson.

God has made it clear now and He's about to intervene!

Logicbwoy:
Isn't the point of miracles and supernatural stuff about defying logic?

I've been hearing Atheist making this statement for a while but I'll like to know, how does LOGIC defy God and miracles?

JMAN05:
What JWs will go thru before the world become paradise. Your question is unclear.

Ok let me put it this way, the remaining JWs who survived the Armageddon will still be on earth. So, does something just go poof and the new word order suddenly appears?

I didn't say it didn't remain, only that you will need someone out there to answer it.

I repeat, you need someone out there to verify this now. So, who is the person who confirmed for JWs before Jah sent His Son?

Jehovah does not need to take something from Jesus to input into the ovum of Mary. You seem to think that life force is a tangible thing that God took from spirit Jesus and imputed into the womb of Mary. This is not necessarily the case.

Hey, spear me this scrap!

This is a quote from your organization.
“God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE from heaven to the womb of a virgin Jewess named Mary…” (Good news from God, pg.

It shows that Jehovah actually took something from His Son which you even agree with by saying "someone from spiritual realm can only confirm what happened to the body where the LIFE FORCE was removed"

Jehovah can input a life force into her ovum which will produce a perfect person. The step by step method Jah used in doing this cannot be detailed by any person.

CAPITAL NO! We know that the Son of God already existed in heaven before He was sent to earth so this is not a case where God can do abracadabra. Jesus Himself spoke many times about His pre-existence before He came to earth.

Look at the attached picture from Good news pg .8 of Who is Jesus Christ? You see a figure of a being with feather, after a baby with a man and woman later a man among little children. (This is Jesus in His prehuman and His life on earth here)

So, where is the body where the LIFE FORCE was removed mr JWs?

Reference pls.

Let me summarise it for you.

>God sent His Son everyone knows
>You believed it was His life force Jehovah sent into the womb of Mary
>You agree that there's a lifeless body in heaven only that you don't know what happened to it.
>You also believed this life force wasn't another personality of the Son nor self-conscious.
>So, if the lifeless body of Jah's Son is in heaven(though you don't know what happened to it) and the LIFE FORCE Jah sent wasn't conscious of itself nor another personality of His Son. What did Jehovah send to earth? If not NOTHING!

EyeHateGod:
So king James version Is No longer the Right Ver?
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
The worlds here refers to the Earth! I defined "World" up there cause I knew this was gonna come up!

It didn't say see that in Kjv

Lol...yet you'll be deceiving yourself that you're smarter than religious people.

Doesn't need to occur to you that the Greek word KJV translated as WORLD it actually means UNIVERSE

That's why I went further to shows you from the meaning of Universe that it can also means WORLD which also agreed with KJV

I didn't cherry pick anything I took one from Oxford and the other from Wikipedia

Ok but I've shown you now the Universe can also means WORLD which we see being used by the Bible writers.

ifenes:
Which god is yours? The Israeli one,Egyptian or the African gods ?

Which one is yours too?

JMAN05:
I understand your question to mean, how will the new world come after Armageddon.
First, Satan would be abyssed (Rev 20:1-3),
Secondly, Jesus sacrifice would be applied so that faithful humans won't get sick or die (Rev 22:1-3)
The earth will be made into a paradise

You understood it partially.
I mean what happened after the Armageddon has taken place on earth or what the remaining JW will go through before the earth becomes a paradise.

Besides, do you mean Jesus' sacrifice doesn't apply in this current life now?

Only someone in the spiritual realm can give a good answer to that question.

Very funny now it's only someone in the spiritual realm that can answer whereas you can answer what Jehovah transferred.

However, God does not necessarily need to take anything from Jesus to transmit to Mary's ovum.

But you organization teaches that Jesus' lives in heaven before He was transferred into the womb of Mary which some of you always say it's the LIFE FORCE. So my question still remains the same.

The body where the LIFE FORCE was removed what happened to it?

No.

So how come Jehovah called a lifeless/unconscious FORCE His Son?

EyeHateGod:
Lets start with the geneis in the Bible:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Do u know that No place in the Bible Is Universe Mentioned?

For Argument Sake Ill Define What A universe is:

noun
(plural universes)

The sum of everything that exists in the cosmos, including time and space itself.


Wiki:
The Universe is all of time and space and its contents. The Universe includes planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy. The observable universe is about 28 billion parsecs (91 billion light-years) in diameter at the present time. The size of the whole Universe is not known and may be either finite or infinite. Observations and the development of physical theories have led to inferences about the composition and evolution of the Universe.

Christians where Did it say in the bible that God created the Universe?

World is a common name for the whole of human civilization, specifically human experience, history, or the human condition in general, worldwide, i.e. anywhere on Earth or pertaining to anywhere on Earth.

Let me answer your delusion but I know you will still come with another one.

"1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe." NIV Heb 1:1-2

"1 God, having spoken to the fathers long ago in [the voices and writings of] the prophets in many separate revelations [each of which set forth a portion of the truth], and in many ways, 2 has in these last days spoken [with finality] to us in [the person of One who is by His character and nature] His Son [namely Jesus], whom He appointed heir and lawful owner of all things, through whom also He created the universe [that is, the universe as a space-time-matter continuum]." AMP Heb 1:1-2

"1 Long ago in many ways and at many times God’s prophets spoke his message to our ancestors. 2 But now at last, God sent his Son to bring his message to us. God created the universe by his Son, and everything will someday belong to the Son." CEV Heb 1:1-2


Besides, you cherry picked that information you provided about the meaning of the Universe just to fulfil your the work of your father the Devil.
Here is the complete meaning

universe
/ˈjuːnɪvəːs/
noun: universe; noun: the universe; plural noun: universes; noun: universe of discourse; plural noun: universes of discourse
1. all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

synonyms: cosmos, macrocosm, totality, whole world, Creation, (outer) space, the heavens, the firmament;

Excuse me sir I have questions.

1. After the awful destruction at Armageddon, how is the 'new world order' going to come?

2. If it was the LIFE FORCE of preexistence Jesus is Jehovah sent into Mary, where is the body the life force was removed?

3. The Bible says God sent His Son, does the life force self-conscious and embodied the whole Son of God?

Lemme drop pen here first.

Note: Go straight to answer don't perambulate!

c4tnoelz:
May God bless her new home

Amen!
But why calleth thou my name in your signature

Beamborla:
Don't get me wrong. If I have the money to celebrate, I will. I've once forgotten my own birthday and if not for Facebook, I'm not sure I would remember anyone's birthday.

We are wired differently, though

I'm a Christan.

We're in the same shoe!

@Op, when does Birthday signify the sign of love?

favoured234:
If you have a strong unrealistic essential list, you will end up chasing shadows in the name of love ( the guy with the long list of essential possibly have someone nurturing it before now)

The "...unrealistic..." in your statement made me to disagree a little because we all know that human always choose the best for themselves.

Drop some essentials and you will love the average human being and that average human will love you right

I'd rather say, love average human in a natural way and average human will love you right.

BTW unrealistic essential does not contribute to a happy home

This "...Unrealistic..." wasn't still clear by me, do you mean some people PURPOSELY decided to choose what they know it will never come through? Because last time I checked, human tend to choose the best for themselves.

Aderola15:
how about you explain her point to me

To me her point is very clear only that I couldn't phantom your own point because I don't know how a girl won't love a guy and still go ahead FORCING herself on him.

Aderola15:
But she can force herself on the guy she doesn't love abi

I can see that you didn't get her point

Besides, this your question sounds strange can you explain further?

favoured234:
Okay let me give an example.
In a relationship check list you can have:
Essential: Above 6 feet, non smoker, little or no alcohol, educated, self dependent, patient, smart guy, he should appreciate me and place me above every other person, above average financially*, above average handsome*, a Nigerian.
Preferred: is just an unending list. Good sense of humor, crazily in love with me, six packs, smooth talker ........ continues

If your relationship goal is to make a happy home/marriage. The question is, do i need all these "essential qualities" to make a happy home? You will just realize that some of those essential qualities should leave that position.

People will say "lower your standards" but its not about standards, its about knowing what you really need for fulfillment

OK!
But what I'm trying to decipher is how to relate the OP with your previous post when you said "Don't mix these two (essential & Preferred) together"

But with this, I know where you're coming from and of course no one goes into a relationship without having something in mind i.e essential needs but I must tell you that those essential needs contribute to the happy home.