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PassingShot:
Islam is the only religion with Allah.

Yes! Since Allah is not the Only True God of the creation.

Rilwon:
And who told you that Islam don't recognize Jesus?

But you know within you that Islam only recognized the fake isa and not the True Jesus!

CAPTIVATOR:
am suprised this is coming from you, didnt the so- called trigodtarians admit that the Father is a separate person from his son and holyspirit, WHEN REFERING TO MORE THAN ONE PERSON and a personal name is meant, " Names " is used. but at Matthew 28:19 , Name is only found in the singular which prove that personal name is not meant here . therefore your use of this verse as a prove of personal name for holyspirit is highly ridiculous and wrong to the highest degree

at Rev 3:12 for example. where reference is made to name, the persons are distinctly identified as having different names.

" The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and [size=25] I will write on him the name of my God, [/size] and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."

that further prove that Name as used by Jesus in the context of matt 28:19 mean " in the power or authority of" not a personal name.

still, you are yet to give a personal name of holyspirit ?

Lol...please be surprised about your delusion.

The summary of your confusion is this:

1. You claimed now that the context of NAME in Matt 28:19 means "in the power or authority of" not a personal name."

Now focusing on the 'OF'

2. It means The Father has His own Power or Authority, The Son has His own power or Authority likewise the Holy spirit has His own power or Authority.

3. By inserting it let see the meaning "...in the power or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit"

4. This negate your believe that Holy spirit is the active force of God because according to you the Holy spirit has His own power or authority.

IN ADDITION, this is how you'll know that you people are great perverter of the word of God, now for you to dismiss the evidence of Matt 28:19 you interpreted the name as POWER OR AUTHORITY but when when Jesus said "He has manifested the NAME of the Father" you people said Jesus meant Jehovah whereas the position of scholars here is that the name in John 17:6 means power or authority.

Holy spirit is called by these names in the scripture:
The Spirit & Spirit of God just as Jesus is called The word & word of God.

CAPTIVATOR:
i think you are the Olodo here, " in the NAME of the Father " begs the question, what is the Name of this Father ?

" in the Name of the son" begs the question, what is the name of this Son ?

" in the Name of holy spirit" begs the question,what is the name of holyspirit ? which is the question been asked if truly the holyspirit is a person.

we know the Name of this Father and his Son, tell us the Name of the holyspirit ?

So since Jesus said baptism should be done in the name of the Holy spirit whereas Jesus vividly knew that Holy doesn't have a name, that make Jesus what?

CAPTIVATOR:
Father is also a Name right ?

Son is also a Name right ?

i dey tell u, u are very corrupt

And you're very very corrupt!

goodnews201668:
We can't know everything about God, granted. But the Bible revealed much of what we need to know about God, yet nowhere did it suggests three in one God. You guys invented it. This is the Bible's position. The father, God and creator of everything thing including the son is Jehovah!

And the same Bible says Jesus is God, the Holy spirit is God and the Father is God yet there is one God. Then how can you reconcile this?

NOTE: Never boycott my question again because I've asked you several questions here which you didn't address, if you know you can't answer my questions never bother to reply.

Then you have the son second in the universe, through whom every other things were created including the Angels. The Bible addressed him as Jesus!

Please, where in the scripture the Son was rated second in the universe? Besides, is Jehovah dragging position with anybody in the universe?

The holy spirit is God's holy spirit which he uses to accomplish all his purposes, he also uses it to help his servants, it can also be used to empower them to accomplish many things.

1. It means the Holy spirit is eternal and not created, since is within God Himself. True or false?

2. What is the spirit of God or is there anything as spirit in God apart from the Holy spirit?

[qaboveIn fact the holy spirit's work is so many that we can't exhaust it here![/quote]Very funny is it Holy spirit that is doing the work or God if we go by your explanation above? That's what you get when you're just following people's idea and not what you understand personally by reading Bible.

goodnews201668:
Thanks for the name calling, I am olodo. No wahala, but I am troubled because you don't even know the meaning of holy spirit. People are said to also undergone baptism of fire, so fire is also a God?

Read Matthew 3:11 & Lu 3:16 the Bible talks about baptizing people with holy spirit and fire!
Maybe you will say fire is a God too. When things are personalized in the Bible it doesn't always mean they are Ifrsons or beings.

I can see that you lack scriptural knowledge and simple English. So, go back to your watchtower for more training.

You asked for a NAME which you're even raising muscle that we should support with Scripture. Now that I shown you that the word Holy spirit itself is a name, you decided to attack sstrawman.

Please when Bible says people will be baptised with Holyspirit and fire, did it say in the NAME of Holy spirit and fire?

Do you now know that Holy spirit is a name?

goodnews201668:
The father has a name, the son does have a name.
If the holy spirit is a person what's his name? Show me to prove Trinity.

Olodo!

If the word "Holy spirit" isn't a name, why would Jesus said people should be baptised in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

goodnews201668:
Falsehood can't stand, unless to those that like and promote it.

Just as you and your organization are promoting falsehood about Christ and the scripture.

Besides you guys invented it. It's not scriptural,

But you agree that John 1:1 says the word was God according to those translations, so how many God do you have?

when it's difficult to explain the next you guys say is that it's a mystery.

So can show me where I've ever said Trinity is a mystery?
Besides, everything about God is mystery because His ways far beyond humans' way. Bible uses the word MYSTERY more than twenty times, so how dare accusing Trinitarian of saying Trinity about God is a mystery?

The truth is God wants us to know him.

Since God wants us to know Him can you say you've FULLY known Him?

To have the true knowledge of him to gain eternal life and all we need to know about him is found in the Bible

Since you've been having this true knowledge of Him, have you FULLY known Him in totality?

Jesus Himself said "...and NO MAN knoweth who the Son IS, BUT THE FATHER; and who the FATHER IS, but the Son..."

Despite the lots of revelations about the Father and His Son in the Bible Jesus could still make that statement. Is that not a mystery in God's being?

Following this Jesus' statement we can then conclude that you and your organization have become God for fully knowing the Father and the Son.

stop inventing complicated doctrines.

Do you agree that there is a mystery within the being of God Himself? Anyway, Trinity is not a mystery to understand in the knowledge of knowing the unsearchable & unlimited God.

goodnews201668:
no matter how you try to justify the false doctrine of trinity it can never stand!

The holy spirit God too? Continue

Lol...it already stands from everlasting to everlasting that why you are here talking about Trinity.

goodnews201668:
The issue is not whether he's God or not,

No the issue is He is God, which begs for the question; how many God do you have?

the issue is the father is superior, the father is his God, the father knows certain things he doesn't know, and so on. Yet you guys claim they're one God.

1 Corinthians 11:3

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 

King James Version (KJV)

This shows that you don't understand the concept of Trinity yet you people will be shouting up & down diving into what you don't know.

FYI, the truth from the scripture is that:
Jesus is God
Father is God
Holy spirit is God

According to the scripture that's why Trinitarian solved this mystery by focusing on the NATURE of God not on the POSITION

No Trinitarian who doesn't agree that The Father is greater or superior than The Son (but in position).

Had it been that you understand Apostle Paul writings you would've understood that he used two positions to talk about man-woman relationship:

1. Man & Woman are equal by NATURE
2. Man is placed in high level (as the head) than woman in POSITION.

goodnews201668:
What's your stress with the part the word was God?

If the word was God and the word became flesh (which we know as Jesus Christ) then Jesus Christ is God! Now, was those translations rendered John 1:1 as "...and the word was God" correct or not?

goodnews201668:
Is it not part of the Bible?

John 1:1King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The color part is the main issue here.

Of course it is there in the KJV and the rest of the translations he listed but the main point here is whether he agreed with those translations that "...and the word was God."

goodnews201668:
Even when some words were invented?

Do you agree with the rendering of those Bible translations of John 1:1 or not? Answer my question and stop perambulating!

Do you mean those translations invented the wording of John 1:1?

tempem: Lol... You are indeed a problem..

Just as you are!

See, admit the truth and stop going about it. ..

Have you ever admitted the truth for once?

At first you never believed you'll find it there . Yet you were shocked to find it there....

It's better you close your brown teeth, you think everyone is like you who hold on to one version of the English translation.

Now you are bringing up something you'd not accept but you'll deny again even if I put up an explanation...

That's what you get when you couldn't digest simple statement but reading like a programmable robot.

Now go back to my previous post, read it slowly this so that you can see that i asked you two different questions.

Why can't you put up your explanation here and stop this ranting?

See, truth is truth and it's clear about trinity..

Yes the truth about Trinity is very clear.

goodnews201668:
That one uses or prefer a particular translation to others doesn't mean he doesn't trust the other ones.

Then ask him; do you agree with the rendering of John 1:1 by RSV, JB, NAB e.t.c?

If he doesn't then he is an hypocrite because for a translator to left a portion out which is the best to you, the translator's work must be accepted throughout.

goodnews201668:
He said other translations, is the NWT the only translations out there?

I know but you don't know! How?

He cited some translations but tell him to show us how those translations rendered some certain verses in the Bible i.e John 1:1, Heb 1:8; then ask him if he agree with them? There you will understand that NTW is their only trusted version of the Bible other translations can be quoted hypocritically when it suits them.

tempem:
If you must know, sir, here they are:
Rs(Revised Standard Version)
NE(The new English Bible)
TEV(Good News Bible)
JB(The Jerusalem Bible)
NAB(The new American Bible)
They left it out.

Do you believe these translations were accurate in their rendering or the translators were accurate in their work?

If you take these translations serious just because they omitted certain verse but disagree with them on other verse that makes you an hypocrite.

tempem:
well, a closer look at other translations will help you gain insight as to what has happened to this part you referenced... PLEASE DO CHECK IT..

Which other translations are you really talking about and Which translation do you trust apart from your NWT?

VictorRomanov:
So?

...that you can use your head next time!

joyandfaith:
smh

For you....when you have nothing meaningful to say!

VictorRomanov:
The original Paul Grunby was a witness but left when he got tired of living according to what is expected of him as a witness. Ever since, he has dedicated his life to attacking the witnesses. He is not Nigerian!

But the same thing can be said about Watchtower Society because their not Nigerian!

The one on Nairaland is just a Nigerian who enjoys reading Paul's comments and posting them here. He has never been a witness and only studied with them.

Just as you a Nigerian enjoying reading the articles of Watchtower Society and get drunk with them.

In all they re both drawing attention to Jehovah witnesses indirectly and those who are curious by nature would definitely want to find out more.

Have you taken your time to find out anything about Watchtower Society?

milkymesh:
I have been here for about a decade and I,m yet to see anyone so bitter and hateful in his post on NL than PaulGrundy.
Where you at anytime a JW?
Where you chased out?
PaulGrundy bitterness made me to research the JW sometime ago. In my opinion, I will rank them among the first among the different christian denomination in terms of making effort to follow what they believe the bible recommends.
When it comes to readiness to die for what they believe in among believers of the different world religion, they are second after the Muslims.
PG, what religion, denomination, way, part etc are you.
Please recommend a church, way, or religion for us since you seem to know more than every other NL.
Thanks.

He didn't hate them but only exposing the deceptive tactics that Watchtower Society is using to keep her followers under bondage of destruction.

That's why you will see that JW here don't use to refute any of his post rather they've termed him as an Apostate. In fact, their old members sometimes always encourage the new ones never to reply his post.

Rilwayne001:
Believe whatever you want mr. Man. I didn't come to this thread to answer foolish question or to indulge in any futile argument. I only came to clear the allegation truthman2012 placed on me.

As you yourself can see, I didn't come for the original post.

You can always ask Google your questions. I owe you no answer, do i?

Eyah, does it pain you? Bro biko no vex!

Rilwayne001:
He has the right actually but he has no right to alleged that I carry dagger around threatening to behead people until they accept islam. That's totally unacceptable.



Okay.

That's Unacceptable!

Let me ask you these

It's generally believe in Islamic theology that Prophet Isa is coming back;

1. Is he going to be as a new born baby or return from heaven the way he was taken to heaven?

2. What are the signs that Allah will show to let people know that truly this is prophet Isa and not just self acclaimed someone?

3. Was he going to be born/descended in Israel, Saudi, Nigeria or India?

Rilwayne001:
You shouldn't have mentioned me.

He has the right man....
You would have just stated your second post

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dolphinheart:
I initially did not want to respond to this post, but I decided to share why I have reservations about responding.
I dnt like it when someone deliberately cut part of my post off in his or her response to my post.,
if you want me to respond to you, pls dnt cut part of my explanations off to make it look weak, expecially not the scriptures I quoted to surpport it.
You can correct this anomaly by goING back to my previous post, qoute it, but leaving my words intact and complete!

No one is forcing you to respond to any post. Like I care!

Meanwhile, I cut those statements especially the quotations because I'm using my phone not system and not time for unnecessary post.

The summary of my point here are:
1. The Apostles spoke in tongues and everybody hearing them understood what they are saying. Who interpreted it to those people? Not any human being but Holy Spirit Himself. Which means, Holy spirit is the one who gave the utterances as He wants for a purpose.

2. Do the Apostles speak to themselves on that day or edifying themselves? They edifying themselves! That's why no interpreter was needed.

3. 1 Corin 14:2 makes it clear that speaking in tongues sometimes are personal dealing with God which no man will understand.

4. It's evident from Apostle Paul's writings that speaking in tongues to deliver message to the congregation (Just like prophesying, Teaching e.t.c) is different from speaking in tongues personally to commune with God.

Summary of your confusion!

1. Your confusion stems out when you think there is only one type of speaking in tongues which is 'in congregation' that's why you think interpreter MUST always available.

2. Thinking since everyone could understand what the Apostles were saying that day, everyone speaking in tongues today must follow the same pattern forgotten that it is the Holy spirit who gave the utterance as He wills.

3. Inability to distinguish between when someone is edifying him/herself through speaking in tongues which no man understands him/her and when someone is passing a message to the congregation through speaking in tongues.

MizJanet:


I cannot laugh oooooo , which part of the world is abracadabra spoken ? which tribe ?

How do you know is abracadabra?

Since you quote a place where Apostle said to have spoke in tongues more than the people and you also know that tongues is languages, can you tell us the exert languages of people Apostle Paul spoke during that time?

I know even if Apostle Paul was in our midst today speaking in tongues you'll still call it gibberish/abracadabra because you're just an Atheist.

Barristter07:
hahahaha which concept , the whole human race is ONE MAN , lol

even a primary school kid will never say such nonsense grammar.

no wonder you call it MY CONCEPT" .. u can teach that to ur church, IBI ko lo ti maa se yen, ko possible.

I can see that simple comprehension is hard for you. I went further to make my point clear by inserting (NATURE). Which can simply be said ONE NATURE.

Why cant you admit the same explanation of ONLY one Lord for " One God" in that same verse ?

That's why I said you must understand the concept I'm presenting to you before we dive into explanation of that verse. Till now I haven't come to explain anything about the verse just presenting a concept for you to grab and using your own logic which you also failed to admit.

MizJanet:
you are doing a bad job defending the gibberish here, u keep saying 'Tongues ( plural) which points to multiple tongues or languages .

I think there was a place in the same passage where This same paul claims to speak MORE tongues than his colleagues . 3D evidence that tongues in this bible verses are languages . and not some gibberish

i found it 1 Corinth 14:18

You're still living in your delusion.

You called it gibberish but said tongues to be a language then tell me, how many languages do you think we have in Nigeria talk less of the whole world?

How do you know that what the person is saying, isn't some people languages just because it isn't a common languages like German, French, Portuguese, Spanish e.t.c? in my village alone we have FOUR different languages.

Honestly, with this your post I can truly see your confusion.

dolphinheart:
on this thread, it's the result we are talking about, not the cause. watHever the holy spirit did or hoW it did it,

Imaging IT did something....can inanimate do something? Anyway that's not the talk for today.

No! You can't tall about result without talking about CAUSE. The point here is, it's the Holy Spirit's WILL thats why people can understand them without the means of INTERPRETER.

people could understand the language of those speaking in tongues.

So who interpret the tongues speaking by the Apostles on the day of Pentecost?

They even mentioned some of those languages.
can that be said about those who speak in tongues today!

Like I said that's how Holy spirit wants it because according to the blessed Apostle Paul we know that someone can even speak in the tongues of angels.

now Emusan, does your church follow Pauls guidelines when speaking in tongues in the congregation.?
is their an interpreter ?

Then you only focus on speaking in tongues in the congregation when you didn't bother to ask were those speaking in tongues delivering message to the congregation or edifying themselves?

I still truly want to know the interpreter of the day of Pentecost.

does the speaker keep quiet when their is no interpreter?

Does the speaker tell you s/he is delivering message to the congregation or edifying him/herself?

now as to the verse you quoted
King James Version
1Co 14:2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You didn't address the verse you only succeeded in giving your own interpretation to divert from the actual meaning of that verse.

if you speak in a language that is not understood by men, e.g speaking in swahilI to people that only understand yoruba.

That's not what the verse is saying.

They will not understand you despite that you are speaking in tongue with the Holy spirit!, that is why in the congregation, an interpreter of the language you are speaking in tongue with is needed, so that you wunt be termed a babar Ian!

I agree with you because i was just imaging if Holy spirit inspired somebody in Australia's congregation to speak my village language whereby the whole congregation are Australians, interpreter is also needed but what if the person only edifying his/herself? No interpretation is needed.

All men understood what the Apostles where saying based on their respective languages.

So nobody actually interpreted it but Holy spirit Himself provided the interpretation. That's why I'll repeat it that you people didn't fully understand what actually happened on the day of Pentecost. Whereas, the Bible made it clear that "everybody was hearing them in their OWN NATIVE language AS The Spirit gave them the utterance."

In conclusion, speaking in tongues is not a pattern rather AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE.