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safarigirl:
my dear, me sef dey wonder. Nothing happened in Gwagwalada

People can lie eee,

Even me from Kubwa didn't see a shit

JMAN05:
You are asking a question that the scriptures do not answer.

So your organization reads into the scripture what is not there

The Bible didn't state a step by step activity that will turn the earth to a paradise.

But your organization knows the step by step how earth will become paradise.

Of course, work would have to be done, but no step by step details as to what will be done and how in the scriptures.

Since you know this why are you perambulating all this while

So tell us the work that will be done.

Where did JW say that Jesus body was lying in state in heaven?

But Jesus' LIFE FORCE was removed from a BODY, isn't it?

So life is tangible, why not at least doodle what it looks like let us see?

Life may not be tangible to you since you can create it.

See how our Insight book puts it:

"Prior to this, Jehovah’s angelic messenger had informed the virgin girl Mary that she would ‘conceive in her womb’ as the result of God’s holy spirit coming upon her and His power overshadowing her. (Lu 1:30, 31, 34, 35) [size=14pt]Since actual conception took place, it appears that Jehovah God caused an ovum, or egg cell, in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. (Ga 4:4) Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word,[/size] and only in this way could he have been an actual son of Mary and hence a genuine descendant of her forefathers Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and King David and legitimate heir of the divine promises made to them."

Just look at the @bold and tell me how this was done if Jehovah didn't transfer anything.

You repeat it here that Jah transferred the LIFE OF HIS SON; so was the Son still in heaven after Jah used the life of His Son to fertilized the Ovum inside Mary?

Does the Son suddenly vanish out of existence after His life was used to fertile Ovum?

Was the LIFE also another PERSONALITY of the Son because I can only see that you make reference to the LIFE alone here?

If His Life wasn't another PERSONALITY, does that not make God a liar when He actually sent NOTHING and He claimed He sent His Son?

From the results revealed in the Bible, [size=14pt]it would appear that the perfect male life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum,[/size] thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose."

Again look at the @bold, once more; does this life force another PERSONALITY of the Son?
After the LIFE FORCE caused the conception what happened to WHOLE NATURE of the Son or does the Son only exist as LIFE FORCE?

The life of Jesus was transferred. This life force isn't a self conscious person.

Then what happened to the rest of Jesus Nature i.e BODY or this LIFE FORCE is the whole nature of the Son and does not reside inside any body?

Gods holy spirit is capable of transferring Jesus life force into a human ovum without having to take anything from Jesus just like God did when Jesus died on earth. This is highly possible.

Just Imaging a life will be taking from a body yet something has not been taking from that person I'll bookmark this for future reference

Let even say the life was taken and yet nothing was taken from Him, now was the divine Jesus still in heaven when the man Jesus was on earth? Because it means the Son will be intact as NOTHING has change in His nature.

About the death of Jesus as you said, that's RECREATION not RESURRECTION

No one knows what a spirit body looks like to describe whether it is lying in state while Jesus came to earth. It would be futile to venture into that argument of which we have no scriptural clue. I don't think our publications has gone on to comment on that.

OHHHH is it not the same spirit body that those who came out of resurrection will take on? This spirit body will know it's not corruptible neither destroyed.

So what happened to Jesus' body that the LIFE FORCE was removed? Because the BODY without the LIFE FORCE is dead....do you agree?

Oga is what is drawn in that picture so detailed to you? That an adult spirit became a baby and then became an adult. If that is the detail you need. Smh for u.

LOLzzzz it's your organization you should shake your head for not me.

ONLY myopic mind like you won't understand what that picture depicted.

You can also ask when Jesus died and say to His Father, 'to you I entrust my spirit', what did Jesus send to his Father?

Every Bible believing Christians know that Jesus entrusted His Spirit that about to leave His body to the Father, which proves that the LIFE FORCE or SPIRIT resides inside a body. Just as Jesus gave His spirit/LIFE FORCE on the cross to His Father and His BODY REMAINS there, likewise when Jah removed His LIFE FORCE before He came to earth His BODY must also remain somewhere. [size=14pt]Why will Jah kill His own DEAR SON for removing His LIFE FORCE?[/size]

In fact it's not a problem to those who believe that there is a SPIRIT inside every one that lives on after it departed from the body RATHER it should be a great problem to JWs who doesn't believe that our spirit lives on after departed from the body.

So if I may ask, what did Jesus give to His Father 1. Ordinary life like Air 2. A conscious Life?

When the life force was in the ovum, what was it doing, was the conscious life force dancing Azonto inside Mary's ovum. What about the life force of animals? When they die, does it go to heaven to dance shoki?

Leave Animal out of this,

So the LIFE FORCE inside the ovum was it CONSCIOUS of Itself or just ordinary life like air?
NOTE: if it conscious of itself, that means what is inside Mary is DUALISTIC in NATURE one divine one man....but I know you won't agree with this likewise if it is not conscious it means NOTHING from the Son was inside Mary just ordinary air and both can't be true!

If you have nothing reasonable, I ll end this discussion.

It's you who need to look at the absurdity in your post and cover your head in shame.

QUOTE OF THE DAY: "Gods holy spirit is capable of transferring Jesus life force into a human ovum without having to take anything from Jesus" JMAN05 2016

One thing I keep telling people prior to 2015 election was that Ex-President Jonathan was not as bad the way APC portraits him neither President Buhari was as good the way APC sold him.

One thing is very sure Nigerian will still never learn their lesson.

God has made it clear now and He's about to intervene!

Logicbwoy:
Isn't the point of miracles and supernatural stuff about defying logic?

I've been hearing Atheist making this statement for a while but I'll like to know, how does LOGIC defy God and miracles?

JMAN05:
What JWs will go thru before the world become paradise. Your question is unclear.

Ok let me put it this way, the remaining JWs who survived the Armageddon will still be on earth. So, does something just go poof and the new word order suddenly appears?

I didn't say it didn't remain, only that you will need someone out there to answer it.

I repeat, you need someone out there to verify this now. So, who is the person who confirmed for JWs before Jah sent His Son?

Jehovah does not need to take something from Jesus to input into the ovum of Mary. You seem to think that life force is a tangible thing that God took from spirit Jesus and imputed into the womb of Mary. This is not necessarily the case.

Hey, spear me this scrap!

This is a quote from your organization.
“God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE from heaven to the womb of a virgin Jewess named Mary…” (Good news from God, pg.

It shows that Jehovah actually took something from His Son which you even agree with by saying "someone from spiritual realm can only confirm what happened to the body where the LIFE FORCE was removed"

Jehovah can input a life force into her ovum which will produce a perfect person. The step by step method Jah used in doing this cannot be detailed by any person.

CAPITAL NO! We know that the Son of God already existed in heaven before He was sent to earth so this is not a case where God can do abracadabra. Jesus Himself spoke many times about His pre-existence before He came to earth.

Look at the attached picture from Good news pg .8 of Who is Jesus Christ? You see a figure of a being with feather, after a baby with a man and woman later a man among little children. (This is Jesus in His prehuman and His life on earth here)

So, where is the body where the LIFE FORCE was removed mr JWs?

Reference pls.

Let me summarise it for you.

>God sent His Son everyone knows
>You believed it was His life force Jehovah sent into the womb of Mary
>You agree that there's a lifeless body in heaven only that you don't know what happened to it.
>You also believed this life force wasn't another personality of the Son nor self-conscious.
>So, if the lifeless body of Jah's Son is in heaven(though you don't know what happened to it) and the LIFE FORCE Jah sent wasn't conscious of itself nor another personality of His Son. What did Jehovah send to earth? If not NOTHING!

EyeHateGod:
So king James version Is No longer the Right Ver?
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
The worlds here refers to the Earth! I defined "World" up there cause I knew this was gonna come up!

It didn't say see that in Kjv

Lol...yet you'll be deceiving yourself that you're smarter than religious people.

Doesn't need to occur to you that the Greek word KJV translated as WORLD it actually means UNIVERSE

That's why I went further to shows you from the meaning of Universe that it can also means WORLD which also agreed with KJV

I didn't cherry pick anything I took one from Oxford and the other from Wikipedia

Ok but I've shown you now the Universe can also means WORLD which we see being used by the Bible writers.

ifenes:
Which god is yours? The Israeli one,Egyptian or the African gods ?

Which one is yours too?

JMAN05:
I understand your question to mean, how will the new world come after Armageddon.
First, Satan would be abyssed (Rev 20:1-3),
Secondly, Jesus sacrifice would be applied so that faithful humans won't get sick or die (Rev 22:1-3)
The earth will be made into a paradise

You understood it partially.
I mean what happened after the Armageddon has taken place on earth or what the remaining JW will go through before the earth becomes a paradise.

Besides, do you mean Jesus' sacrifice doesn't apply in this current life now?

Only someone in the spiritual realm can give a good answer to that question.

Very funny now it's only someone in the spiritual realm that can answer whereas you can answer what Jehovah transferred.

However, God does not necessarily need to take anything from Jesus to transmit to Mary's ovum.

But you organization teaches that Jesus' lives in heaven before He was transferred into the womb of Mary which some of you always say it's the LIFE FORCE. So my question still remains the same.

The body where the LIFE FORCE was removed what happened to it?

No.

So how come Jehovah called a lifeless/unconscious FORCE His Son?

EyeHateGod:
Lets start with the geneis in the Bible:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Do u know that No place in the Bible Is Universe Mentioned?

For Argument Sake Ill Define What A universe is:

noun
(plural universes)

The sum of everything that exists in the cosmos, including time and space itself.


Wiki:
The Universe is all of time and space and its contents. The Universe includes planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy. The observable universe is about 28 billion parsecs (91 billion light-years) in diameter at the present time. The size of the whole Universe is not known and may be either finite or infinite. Observations and the development of physical theories have led to inferences about the composition and evolution of the Universe.

Christians where Did it say in the bible that God created the Universe?

World is a common name for the whole of human civilization, specifically human experience, history, or the human condition in general, worldwide, i.e. anywhere on Earth or pertaining to anywhere on Earth.

Let me answer your delusion but I know you will still come with another one.

"1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe." NIV Heb 1:1-2

"1 God, having spoken to the fathers long ago in [the voices and writings of] the prophets in many separate revelations [each of which set forth a portion of the truth], and in many ways, 2 has in these last days spoken [with finality] to us in [the person of One who is by His character and nature] His Son [namely Jesus], whom He appointed heir and lawful owner of all things, through whom also He created the universe [that is, the universe as a space-time-matter continuum]." AMP Heb 1:1-2

"1 Long ago in many ways and at many times God’s prophets spoke his message to our ancestors. 2 But now at last, God sent his Son to bring his message to us. God created the universe by his Son, and everything will someday belong to the Son." CEV Heb 1:1-2


Besides, you cherry picked that information you provided about the meaning of the Universe just to fulfil your the work of your father the Devil.
Here is the complete meaning

universe
/ˈjuːnɪvəːs/
noun: universe; noun: the universe; plural noun: universes; noun: universe of discourse; plural noun: universes of discourse
1. all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

synonyms: cosmos, macrocosm, totality, whole world, Creation, (outer) space, the heavens, the firmament;

Excuse me sir I have questions.

1. After the awful destruction at Armageddon, how is the 'new world order' going to come?

2. If it was the LIFE FORCE of preexistence Jesus is Jehovah sent into Mary, where is the body the life force was removed?

3. The Bible says God sent His Son, does the life force self-conscious and embodied the whole Son of God?

Lemme drop pen here first.

Note: Go straight to answer don't perambulate!

c4tnoelz:
May God bless her new home

Amen!
But why calleth thou my name in your signature

Beamborla:
Don't get me wrong. If I have the money to celebrate, I will. I've once forgotten my own birthday and if not for Facebook, I'm not sure I would remember anyone's birthday.

We are wired differently, though

I'm a Christan.

We're in the same shoe!

@Op, when does Birthday signify the sign of love?

favoured234:
If you have a strong unrealistic essential list, you will end up chasing shadows in the name of love ( the guy with the long list of essential possibly have someone nurturing it before now)

The "...unrealistic..." in your statement made me to disagree a little because we all know that human always choose the best for themselves.

Drop some essentials and you will love the average human being and that average human will love you right

I'd rather say, love average human in a natural way and average human will love you right.

BTW unrealistic essential does not contribute to a happy home

This "...Unrealistic..." wasn't still clear by me, do you mean some people PURPOSELY decided to choose what they know it will never come through? Because last time I checked, human tend to choose the best for themselves.

Aderola15:
how about you explain her point to me

To me her point is very clear only that I couldn't phantom your own point because I don't know how a girl won't love a guy and still go ahead FORCING herself on him.

Aderola15:
But she can force herself on the guy she doesn't love abi

I can see that you didn't get her point

Besides, this your question sounds strange can you explain further?

favoured234:
Okay let me give an example.
In a relationship check list you can have:
Essential: Above 6 feet, non smoker, little or no alcohol, educated, self dependent, patient, smart guy, he should appreciate me and place me above every other person, above average financially*, above average handsome*, a Nigerian.
Preferred: is just an unending list. Good sense of humor, crazily in love with me, six packs, smooth talker ........ continues

If your relationship goal is to make a happy home/marriage. The question is, do i need all these "essential qualities" to make a happy home? You will just realize that some of those essential qualities should leave that position.

People will say "lower your standards" but its not about standards, its about knowing what you really need for fulfillment

OK!
But what I'm trying to decipher is how to relate the OP with your previous post when you said "Don't mix these two (essential & Preferred) together"

But with this, I know where you're coming from and of course no one goes into a relationship without having something in mind i.e essential needs but I must tell you that those essential needs contribute to the happy home.

repogirl:
Him wan resume work again? Shebi he has rested his ears for three months according to the doctors advice abi?

Him wan start again now.

You get mouth sha, are you from Benin

Lennycool:
The religious will always try to justify the unspeakable when it comes to their God. If God had so much power why didn't he just kill the pharaoh or magically teleport the Israelites since anything is possible for him. God does not exist

And the irreligious will always try to justify their bias mind when it comes to the religious God.

I see, so you're the one who will tell God what to do.

Besides, focus on the Op and stop detailing the thread.

AnonyNymous:
One of the first passages that led to my unbelief was as a 10 year old kid, reading the story of the Pharaoh and the Egyptians. . . I mean, your god supposedly 'hardened' his heart, and then punished him for making decisions with the 'hard' heart. . . going as far as to kill Pharaoh Rameses innocent first born son who had no influence in his father's decision. Why did he do all that? To show off how powerful he was. What a twisted and evil thing to do.

That's the problem with you people, you can only pick where God said He will harden Pharaoh's heart but fail to agree with the part of what happened before God made that statement.

Sorry bro, you chose to be unbelieved!

malvisguy212:
Have you free yourself ?

see mouth short question and see how the beloved Atheist answered.

ifene: I'm free from the fear of hell. Are you?

That makes Hell to exist! Like what Op said free from the fear of something doesn't mean it isn't true.

olutosfem:
So so impossible....maybe senate president is what he means

Are you God?

Are they not part of Nigeria?

What are your fears for seeing an Igbo man as a sitting President?

Tallesty1:
He made a lot of sense but I personally don't want an Igbo man to be made president just like that.

Your opinion though.

I'm not an Easterner but I could remember vividly the Church I worshipped with during my NYSC then, the Pastor made this type of statement.

But guess what the man isn't even an Igbo.

favoured234:
Go through your relationship check-list again
1. Preferred qualities
2. Essential qualities
Don't mix them up too much

Can please elaborate more on these two qualities?

diplomatvicky:
the weirdest thing that can happen to u in a relationship is loving a partner who doesn't love u back...as a girl, I wld advice u stick to d guy who loves u ooooo ...biko,u can learn to love him in due tym..don't even make da mistake of forcing urself on a guy whom doesn't love u....jukwa ESE....

Please, do you have the gadget that detect when someone truly in love with another person

I just curious to know as per the @bold

efismikoko:
YOu do not agree with jeremia 1v5 god is the one that form babies in a woman's womb

My post is as clear as crystal.

Jeremiah is about God personally intervene in the process of reproduction for His Own glory.

You believe God created the process for a child to be born that's why anyone can get anyone pregnant right

Not believe! He set up every laws in the universe. He is the Creator.

Sleekshady:
March 2nd

This thread still in existence!
Mine is 9th

Ranchhoddas:
Atheism is not a belief and you are the only person I've quoted on this thread. So wetin you dey talk?

I laugh in loko

Just imaging, when Atheist want to deceive themselves then they will come up with absurdity like Atheism isn't a belief.

Last time I checked the meaning of Atheism this is what I got

atheism
/ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: atheism

disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

synonyms: non-belief, non-theism, disbelief, unbelief, scepticism, doubt, agnosticism, irreligion, godlessness, ungodliness, profaneness, impiety, heresy, apostasy, paganism, heathenism, freethinking, nihilism

"atheism is virtually unknown in rural societies"

But Nairaland Atheists always console themselves with such statement.

See pure day lie you mean didn't quote anybody before your post was quoted by me? People can lie sha

efismikoko:
This means You do not agree with the @op Jeremiah 1v5

That

Ranchhoddas:
The people who'd lose their jobs for a start, the other shareholders(he's not the majority shareholder in case you didn't know). Start with those....BTW which belief do you speak of?

Now you're taking it to another level. Does the person you quoted talk about other Entities/stakeholders along side of God who own the universe?

Your belief Atheism of course!

hopefuLandlord:
Bros, maybe you should know that Bill doesn't OWN Microsoft, they have shareholders bro, its no longer one man business

And FYI, there was NEVER a time Bill owned Microsoft, he didn't start the company alone, he started it with Paul Allen (Google him and be enlightened)

Everybody knows that but the analogy was if Bill is the ONLY person who owns Microsoft can he do whatever he will with it? Let's use Nairaland for instance, can anybody question Seun if he decided to shut down Narialand?

youngestland:
what are you saying read again please who is talking about the destiny of a child here
bro am I'm or I am saying why will god form unwanted babies when since the bible says he is the one that gives children shikena

I wonder how you people reason most times. What I mean is this, you people fail to understand the little God had revealed about Himself but quick to attack same God with your fable mind.

I'll answer your post from down to up.

Yes, Bible says God gave children because He is The Creator of all things. The question now is, how does God give a child?

God created man and woman and put forth REPRODUCTIVE LAW into play but that doesn't mean God can't still personally intervene to do as He wills about any law He puts forth as we see in the case of Our Lord Jesus' birth and the one you sited as an example Jeremiah or even makes barren!

When you understand this, then you can appreciate the purpose of God when He personally steps in to override some of His natural laws.

Do you want God to personally intervene in your situation? Yes, He can if you will.

Shalom!

Ranchhoddas:
Bad analogy. Microsoft provide jobs for thousands of people worldwide, their products have become an intergral part of our lives so yes he'd be questoned of he crashes Microsoft.

See pure lie, he will be questioned by who please?

The way you people deliberately cover the truth just to propagate your belief is alarming.