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Jozzy4:
now back to what led to this :

he said he isnt good, only God his Father is Good - mark 10:18 , does that make him bad ?

Why lying about what Jesus didn't say

Jesus never said HE IS NOT GOOD "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18

We can see that it's ONLY GOD that is GOOD.

From here it's evident that Jesus is bringing out a fact, now you agreed that Jesus is speaking in MORAL SENSE.

To your question NO! Jesus is good that's why He is God.

Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD or BAD?

Jozzy4:
he didnt say no one is a Good sherperd except God , alone. if thats the case you will make sense.

But He combined the two words meant for God alone which GOOD and SHEPHERD.

Jesus said no one is Good except God , his Father alone . talking about being Good in the moral sense. use your head na!

Now, this is what I've been waiting to hear from you. Since Jesus is talking IN MORAL SENSE. Is Jesus good in moral sense or not?

I know you will start dribbling or find way to dodge my question.

Jozzy4:
then keep fighting with psalm 37 @ bold

Imagine, and this is coming from someone who solely rest his fate on Psalm 37 that he will inherit earth forever.

Sorry, which particular continents will you relocate to after Armageddon because I know you won't like Africa and you don't need visa

Jozzy4:
Good what ? SHEPHERD ! thats a deluded quote from you in this discussion. you mean he is only good at shepherding ?

Just imagine, when you don't know what to say and lack scriptural understanding.

Jehovah is the shepherd of Israel so if Jesus is NOW THE GOOD SHEPHERD and only GOD is GOOD, that makes Jesus to be what? Mr. JWs

Mark 10:18 NOBODY is GOOD except God alone.

I agree because that's makes Jesus God by calling Himself GOOD SHEPHERD.

Jesus here said he doesnt deserve the word " GOOD " , only his Father does , does that make him a Bad person ?

But He deservers both the words GOOD and SHEPHERD that only belongs to His Father.

Tell me another one.

Notruthatall:
When a spirit is in a womb, it must be given flesh in the womb! The divine lifenever disappeared! That is why he could walk on water. . ."according to what is written".

So the SPIRIT was only given FLESH which means the SPIRIT still alive inside the FLESH, right?

That means the MAN JESUS isn't 100% human something DIVINE resided in His human FLESH.

Jozzy4:
" that means those who will be in heaven including Jesus are not RIGHTEOUS "

This is what it means when you're using Psalm 37:9-11 alone, now you see that this verse doesn't favour your argument because the RITGHTEOUS here means ANYBODY WHO EVER PASS THROUGH THE EARTH AND RIGHTEOUS. So if some particular people will live in heaven it means those people are not righteous because Psalm 37 says "THE RIGHTEOUS"

kindly show me where the scripture said the above ?

No it's you who should show us where it's written in the scripture that some people's righteousness will make them live forever on earth and some people's righteousness will make them live in heaven.

Jozzy4:
daft reasoning , i dont know where you read in the scriptures that the little flock that will be ressurected to heaven are not Righteous . you always make a fool of yourselve

Ohhh....so how many types of righteousness do we have in the scripture, if some people's righteousness will make them live in heaven and some inherited the earth Because the verse didn't discriminate!

By the way you haven't address this point, the verse said LIVE and NOT RESSURECTED.

You've started transferring your aggression. Chil eeh it's not yet time!

Jozzy4:
that means the prophecy will be fulfilled , end of story !

But the prophecy said IT'S THE RIGHTEOUS that will live forever on earth that means those who will be in heaven including Jesus (because to you He's just human like you) are not RIGHTEOUS.

Stop this childish attitude of striking post, if something is beyond your comprehension just leave it and move on people understand.

solite3:
hahahahaha confusion witnesses.

My brother i don't know you saw what I saw

Notruthatall:
you do greatly err because you view God as human.

That means you didn't follow this conversation well.

It's JWs who err now because since they're the one who believed that God has a body. So I was only using their declaration to make a point

The body is the life, not like we that our life has a body attached to it!

No! The body can't be the LIFE because God gave LIFE to every CREATURE which include the Angelic beings.

Now let's just assume that the body is life which means the life is DIVINE and this life can be traced to Mary's womb. How come this Divine life disappeared and 100% human appeared?

Jozzy4:
Canticles doesn't have any problem with your question , he just followed the scriptural advice of avoiding foolish questions like the one you are asking.

Just imagine, saying someone is asking foolish question whereas yours are plenty.

to know your question is foolish , read Mark 10:18 and tell me since Jesus said only Jehovah is good , does that make Jesus a bad person? just think

Another deluded quote since Jesus statement is True then Jesus is God because Jesus is a GOOD shepherd.

Jozzy4:
same way he called humans Gods.

But you know that's not the point he raised which means you deliberately shift the goal post.

He quoted Isaiah where God said "beside Him THERE is NO GOD" yet the scripture says Jesus is beside God.

beside, many agree this verse you are talking about can actually be rendered correctly in a different way that doesn't support this noise you are making . so what's your problem ?

Yet those many don't have name.

Many agree that NWT is nothing but a dubious work of unscholarly people, what about that

Jozzy4:
you mean that prophecy will not be fulfilled ? and as the wicked been cut off presently as stated in psalm 37:9-11?

No! It means you can't just use one verse to draw a conclusion on various issue.

It now clear to you that JWs only focus on LIVE FOREVER why neglecting the main requirement.

And I believe you know the wide different from LIVE and RESSURECTED.

Jozzy4:
you are just bored ; go and sleep man

As you're bored so go to bed first I'll join you.

CANTICLES:
seems you have nothing else reasonable to say

Typical JWs

Jozzy4:
Read your Bible : psalm 37:9-11 the righteous will live FOREVER on earth, na jozzy4 write am ?

But writer of this Psalm is death for very long time.

But the verse said LIVE not resurrected.

The key point here is RIGHTEOUS, which begs for the question; who is righteous and how can someone become RIGHTEOUS?

That also means those 144,000 that will live in heaven are not righteous that's why they won't live on earth.

solutionsnow:
Was Jesus preaching the garden of Eden or its restoration? No no no. So preach the heavenly kingdom Jesus preached of. You guys are obsessed with inheriting the earth, you want to inherit Microsoft and Facebook. Day-dreamers. The creator of heaven and earth says they will be destroyed by fire. Open your eyes, read the bible.

They are not even inherit any shit...because to them at Armageddon everything will be destroyed! So they must start afresh.

Imagine how horrible their over one hundred years on paradise earth would be.

1. They must first wait for maggot and worm to eat the flesh of over 6 billion people living on earth only Jehovah knows how long this will take.
2. After that, the bones of those people can't decay, so they have to start digging hole where these numerous bones will be buried. That means earth will turn to grave yard.
3. All the debris from collapse building & road, condemned machines, polluted water have to be taking care off.
4. Build a residential houses for the over 20 billion people who will be resurrected will not be left out.

And what all these will be done by only thousands of JWs who will survive the Armageddon.

Jozzy4:
all this whistle at NWT is uncalled for. , man You should have answered me na and see what happens next coward

You abandon my question and now demanding for answer by force Hypocrite!

Jozzy4:
Man, And do you believe those version are accurate in all verses ?

Here he comes again.

Tell me is NWT accurate in all verses? let's start there!

CANTICLES:
remember , still expecting your response to Rev 3:12, can the supreme God have a God ?

Answer the question stop dodging

CANTICLES:
You didn't answer my question to him regarding the subject of discussion, how can the supreme God have a God ? Rev 3:12 , how does it sound to you?

As if you don't jump question too

I don't know which translation you are quoting from regarding Heb 1:8 . even many .modern translations offer an alternate rendering on this verse in their footnotes. so this is weak!

After offer ALTERNATIVE but what is their main RENDERING?

Do you hold Alternative rendering at footnote of NWT than the main Rendering?

dolphinheart:
go through my post , if there are issues about difference in verses, I usually give facts about what I've learnt.

No you only quote verses that suit you when you like.

as far as my studies have allowed me, I've not had any personal issues with the NWT.

Simply because it's your organization version nothing more nothing less.

I know you will use style to dodge my question but I'll repeat it again is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have?

If your answer is NO! Kindly, show us another translation that is accurate.

A verse being wrong or right is dependent on the reader and facts brought forward to surport such translation.

No a verse is what the ORIGINAL Hebrew or Greek means not dependent of the reader and the only fact that can brought forth to support them must come from those who chose to study these languages which we called SCHOLARS.

I've not studied all verses in any single translation translation.

But what of the familiar ones like NIV, Amplified, NLT, KJV, RSV, ASV, CJB, NASB? Are these translations accurate in all verses or not?

like I've said before, their is little I can do about your views as to the source of my personal beliefs, if you have issues with my beliefs, we can discuss such beliefs, if you gave issues with the source, pls contact the source!

There's no view, you're a JWs simple and truth. So, all this new belief doesn't add up anything. Like I said, you can continue to tell those kids in your area that one.

goody1shoe73:
All you postulated My Friend, remains in the realm of conjecture since we can't and haven't seen spirits.

No it's not, we're following what the scripture says here that's why God inspired people to pen something down about this matter.

Spirits are higher forms of life,hence we can't see them.

So, how does your organization know that God and Angels have a BODY?

God and Jesus and the angels even the demons and Satan possess personalities.

Don't leave Holy Spirit out...we all know this.

They are not impersonal beings.

Yes agree including Holy Spirit.

They're are examples where angels materialized as humans,are u saying their spirit bodies lay in state in the heavens?

This is where we're going, when Angels materialized as humans this doesn't MEANING THEY'RE NO MORE AN ANGEL what simply happened was that THEIR NATURE which is spiritual one only COVERED BY HUMAN NATURE that can be seen by human. So, this make them to both be seen as Angel and Human at the same time. Because I'm 100% sure, you can't tell me that they're only 100% of human at that particular time their no more an Angel. Could this be the same in the case of Jesus Christ?

NOTE: not that their life was removed while in heaven and put in human nature but the whole BEING was CLOTHED with human nature!

The nature of the transference of Jesus life was an unprecedented miracle. It's purpose was to shield Him from inherited sin.

You're still talking about TRANSFERING LIFE. Please, the examples of Angels you gave does God transfer their life before they could materialized human nature or their being was clothed with human nature.

Angel materialized in human nature isn't that a miracle too?

CANTICLES:
this is what she is saying

the subject here is God of the universe or supreme God . the supreme God cannot have a God that invalidate the word supreme .

Jesus have a God ,yes or no ? Rev 3:12

The Father called His Son God, yes or no? Heb 1:8

truthislight:
You may have to read my post above again.

As if it makes any sense.

I had written that "the sins of Adam has been forgiven the sons of Adam through Jesus ransom sacrifice".

The fact that ones sins and crime has been forgiven does not mean that the person will always not face the consequences. David was forgiven for instance, the baby still died etc.

It was not because of our/humans sins that caused Yahweh separation from man, it was that of Adam's. Hence, we can now access Yahweh directly through Jesus Christ that has paid for that.

So after the Adamic sins that Jesus paid for, what about every day to day sins we committed?

That the sins of Adam has been forgiven does not mean that the imperfection and its consequences are no longer with imperfect humans. Humans still pays for the consequences pending when all the benefit of Jesus ransom sacrifices have been fully applied, and that will be in God's Kingdom when death and the likes have passed away. Rev 21:4.

What about day to day sins people committed?

Again, since it is only the removal of Adam sins that serves as a Barrier between man and Yahweh that has been removed, the stipulated consequences for sins is still operational, Namely: "the wages of sins is death", hence, all sons of Adam continue with that consequences pending when the arrival of the Kingdom.

Does it mean people don't commit sin anymore?

I cant really say how you understood my write up above, why you understand Roman 6:7 otherwise.

Your believe is that ONCE A PERSON DIED the person had paid for his/her sin (this will be their personal sins) using this verse a support. So, those who we survive the Armageddon when will their own sins be forgiven or Jehovah will just overlook their sin and allow them to pass into the new earth or these people don't have anything like personal sins

If someone were to steal a Chicken, and was sentence to a year in prison for that stealing, why on earth should he still pay for the chicken on coming out from prison? Nope! he wont.

In similar fashion, since the wages of sin is death, why will someone still bear the consequences of sin after dying?

At least you're getting close, your believe is that some JWs will survive the Armageddon and after the Armageddon the new life on earth will begin. The people who will survive this Armageddon don't they have any sin or are they 100% righteous

Please, kindly explain how these people will pass into the new earth without dying without a single sin.

Well, that is what the Bible says, it is not my words.

Yes it is but not every understand every single word according to the exert meaning.

That basis of dying and forgiving of ones sins is the basis of Baptism and coming out on a fresh start. Dipping in water(Grave) and coming out.

Peace

But some people will still never experience death, how does this people sin is forgiven

JMAN05:
I believe in visions, but there is no indication that modern day visions are empowered by God.

And this is coming from someone who claims to be reading his Bible always. In fact any Christians who has never experienced spirituality with Jesus in his/her Christianity life need to check his/her belief and teaching because God will never cease to reveal Himself to His people.

Jesus said: "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, [size=14pt]and will manifest myself to him.[/size] 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, [size=13pt]and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/size] John 14:21-23 KJV

The question of Judas here, is what Atheist wants i.e God should make an open revelation of Himself but God said NO! only if you love Him then He will manifest Himself to you.

Do you love Jesus and has Jesus manifested Himself to you, or Him and His Father have made their abode with you?

But the only lie you can hold on today is that no matter experience you have it's from the devil. Whereas we have plenty people who have had personal encounter with Jesus Christ which is inline with the above scripture.

JMAN05:
Jesus preexisted his appearance on earth. He has existed before the creation of the physical universe. This is not in doubt. One of the thing in doubt is a son (Jesus) being the same age with his Father (Jehovah). Does this sound reasonable to you?

So, which one comes first; created Jesus with a spiritual body and product of time who needs a SPACE TO OCCUPY and The Universe(Heavens including the abode of Angels and Earth)?

dolphinheart:
inclusive but not limited to the above

Ok give us some links to where you're getting this study of yours

once I can provide facts to surpport my personal beliefs, note I did not declare any version wrong, we are talking about verses, not the whole translation.

If I may ask, is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have
If your answer is NO! Please, kindly list any English translation you know that translated ALL BIBLE VERSES correctly like NWT

if you have issues as to the source of my perzonal beliefs, their is little I can do about that!

Chill pal, you can tell that to those kids in your area. Once you stop attending Kingdom Hall's meeting, stop reading watchtower & awake magazine. I will take you serious on your new belief but as long as these three things never departed from you you're still 100% JWs in belief and study.

Notruthatall:
Yes. . .God has a body, but he is infinite.Yes, Jesus has a body and thesame nature as God. . .infinite. That infiniteness came and made itself an abode in something finite in order to take on a body! Hhe took on flesh!

I choose to say that since God and Jesus have a body only that this body is infinite, there should be a LIFE inside that body.

Now let me ask, when God sent Jesus into the womb of Mary. Did He send the Jesus' infinite body with LIFE or ONLY LIFE?

NOTE: Both the infinite body and life are DIVINE.

Jessicha:
malvisguy stop deceiving yourself , Jesus EMPTIED himself before coming to earth , didn't he ? Phil 2: 9-11

Jesus emptied what in particular from Himself before He came to world

How do you understand the same Phil 2:6?

goody1shoe73:
U asking about a spirit body? I haven't seen one mbok

Common sense will tell you that if Spirit beings have BODY there is a life in the BODY that's why the body can function.

Now that you people said, it was only PREHUMAN JESUS' LIFE that was TRANSFERRED into Mary's womb, where is the body that the life was removed?

If you don't understand it yet, let me put it this way.

Does God and Angels have body?

dolphinheart:
through study

Through study of the original Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek manuscripts, right?

no!

But you have right to declare another version WRONG all because NWT it's your organization translation. Keep fooling yourself!

note: the answers to your question are my present personal beliefs.

Personal belief as if you've stopped attending Kingdom Hall's meeting or stopped reading watchtower & awake publications.