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 Christianity Etc › Re: 1,300 Join Facebook Protest Over Pastor Ashimolowo's KICC Church by Enigma(m): 1:15pm On Apr 04, 2010 |
^^^^ If it suits you to keep contributing 10% of your monthly income ("tithes") and more so that Matthew can "drive up to his reserved space in his hummer", I cannot stop you. However, I have known Matthew's church even before it moved to Waterden Road and have seen him in action and have made my own assessment. You don't have to agree with my assessment and as I said it is your choice to keep giving 10% (and more) of your monthly income to maintain Ashimolowo in the style to which he has become accustomed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 1,300 Join Facebook Protest Over Pastor Ashimolowo's KICC Church by Enigma(m): 12:54pm On Apr 04, 2010 |
ayettymama:I wonder!!!! Even our so-called "educated" people are easily fooled or sometimes even brain-washed. Otherwise, how difficult is it to see through the chicanery of Ashimolowo and his ilk? Especially, since he teamed up with the American Word of Faith heretics in the 90s- early 00s for his "International Gathering of Champions", the guy has so patently and shamefully been twisting scriptures to fleece misguided folk. He is at his worst, possibly, when trying to raise money on television for the so-called "God Channel". Bunch of wolves in sheep's clothing! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are All These General Overseers Bringing Their Kids Into Pastoring by Enigma(m): 3:59pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Of course it is business and they are simply following the pattern of their American tutors/mentors! In any event they plagiarise ther American senior heretics in many other ways --- including the so called "books" and other material with which they bamboozle their ignorant victims. They call their business "ministry"; they should really be calling it "m-industry". At least Oyedepo agrees that he is in business even though in typical fashion of the greedy and corrupt he twisted scripture to try and fit with his "my belly is my god" approach. There are several examples of their American senior heretics who have passed the m-industry down to/on to children or other family members including: Kenneth Hagin Snr to Kenneth Hagin Jnr; Oral Roberts to Richard Roberts etc etc etc. In any event even when the head kahuna is still alive, the m-industry is always run as a family business, anyway (e.g.Kenneth Copeland and his children and son in law). Don't you wonder how the head kahuna's so-called "anointing" is transferred such that his wife (or her husband) becomes "co-pastor" or "pastor" of some sort or another and children are "heads" of some aspects of the m-industry? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Enigma(m): 12:05pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
The argument of some of the tithe-mongers does get ridiculous sometimes and some of their interpretations of the Bible sometimes simply idiotic. Anyway, I see opening people's eyes to the "tithing" scam as an important tool in the sense of serving as a gateway to making people see that they are being fed false doctrine regularly, sometimes diabolical false doctrine as with Word of Faith or prosperity "gospel". If we go back to the opening post the dilemma is whether to assist a sick person or to "pay" "tithes" into "church". Now people see "paying tithes" as "giving to God" or "giving to Jesus". It is a good thing to want to give to Jesus/God, BUT if that is one's desire one should see to it that one is actually giving to Jesus/God and not just wasting his giving. Well, how do we ensure that we are giving to Jesus/God? Why not start with how Jesus Himself said you should give to Him? Matthew 25: 35-40 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 unclothed, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or unclothed, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. As I said before: The teaching of Jesus and the apostles is very straightforward: if you REALLY want to give to Jesus, then give to the widow, the orphan, the poor and the needy then see if your Father in heaven will not reward you. BUT even if that is not enough, there is another argument. Even the tithe in the OT was supposed to be shared with orphans, widows and strangers!!! (Don't be fooled by the likes of RCCG that "tithes" is exclusively for pastors!) Deuterenomy 26:12-13 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; 13 Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them.Deuteronomy 14: 26-28 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.You see sometimes people say that the Old Testament is the New testament concealed and that the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. What do I mean by this in this context? That even amidst the "legalistic" teaching of the Old Testament on tithing you can see the design of God that giving (including sharing tithes) to the poor and the needy is God's requirement on how to give to Him. I repeat this summary: The teaching of Jesus and the apostles is very straightforward: if you REALLY want to give to Jesus, then give to the widow, the orphan, the poor and the needy then see if your Father in heaven will not reward you. |
| Satellite TV Technology › Re: Strong Receivers Thread by Enigma(m): 8:30pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
@madas Diseqc switches can be temperamental; try different combinations of two ports on the switch until you get a working pair; otherwise, the next cheapest check is another diseqc switch ----- before considering possible, but doubtful, receiver fault. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Enigma(m): 1:15pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
All the questions that people still thinking that "tithing" is a requirement or even desirable have been answered again and again and again and again . . . . . People keep to the "tithing" false doctrine out of ignorance, superstition, material greed/desire or because they are thieving beneficiaries of the whole 1. Tithing as money A. Tithing of money was actually frowned upon in the OT. Firstly, tithing of livestock was specific to the tenth animal under the rod; no debate; not number 11; not number 9 ---- indeed if you only had 9 livestock, then there was no "tithing" as it had to be the tenth. B. Tithing of agricultural produce was not supposed to be done in money; if for some reason the tither chose to do it in money, he was subject to a penalty or a fine for doing so. (Those who don't believe this haven't studied tithing in the Bible) C. In the one instance that substitution of money for agricultural produce, not based on tither's outright choice with penalty, was allowed ---- the tither was told firstly to sell the tithes and secondly, more crucially, to spend the money to jollify himself! Again, those who don't believe this haven't studied tithing in the Bible) 2. Tithing under the Law of Moses This has certainly been abolished together with the Mosaic law and the type of priesthood on which it was based. This much is clear from reading Hebrews 7. 3. Tithing done by Abraham It was voluntary, not commanded by God and not compulsory or a requirement. Also, Abraham gave Melchisedec a "tithe" (a) from spoils of war and not from Abraham's own property per se and (b) it was done after Melchisedec had already blessed Abraham ---- not with a hope of being blessed in the future. Crucially, Abraham is recorded as having given a tithe only on this one occasion. Otherwise, when else, how frequently and to whom did Abraham give (or for that matter "pay) a tithe? 4. Jacob We know he promised to give a tithe. The Bible does not say whether or not he fulfilled the promise. Like with Abraham, when else, how frequently and to whom did Jacob give (or for that matter "pay"  a tithe?5. Jesus Firstly, unless He cultivated livestock and engaged in agriculture there would have been no need for Him to "pay" the Mosaic tithe. The only trade we associate with Him is carpentry and carpenters were not required to "pay tithes" from carpentry. It is safer to say that He did not Himself "pay tithes" than to argue from silence that He did. Secondly, Jesus did NOT teach His disciples to "tithe"; the one passage of Matthew 23:23 (and its equivalent) that is cited was actually a rebuke to pharisees who used to try and make a show of their "righteousness" by "paying" tithes on even the smallest things ---- like someone "paying tithes" on Okra, egusi or bitter leaf. Jesus DID however, show how we should give to HIM; guess what, it was not by "tithes" but rather by feeding the hungry, visiting the prisoner, clothing those who need clothes ---- basically helping the poor and needy. Whereas today's tithe-mongers tell you to do the opposite. The tithe-mongers tell you to contradict the teachings of Jesus Himself ------ like the RCCG who say tithing is exclusively for pastors and that only offerings are to be used to help the needy. It is false teaching of course --- and only goes to support private jets whereas the people that Jesus said you should not neglect ----- are neglected. In fact, an example is that of the OP ----- debating whether to give money to someone who needs it for hospital treatment or to give it to some "pastor" as "tithes". Sheer nonsense! 6. The Apostles Let any tithe-monger point to one, just one, example of an apostle in the Bible instructing or requiring Christians to tithe. Rather the apostle James taught the same things as Jesus that true religion (i.e. true Christianity) is to take care of the poor, the widow and the orphan. The teaching of Jesus and the apostles is very straightforward: if you REALLY want to give to Jesus, then give to the widow, the orphan, the poor and the needy then see if your Father in heaven will not reward you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Pastors Thieves Without Guns? by Enigma(m): 10:12pm On Mar 31, 2010 |
My favourite post on this thread that just makes me laugh  (doesn't matter if/that the poster is/is not a Christian)[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=380651.msg5312268#msg5312268 date=1263455074]Who said the OP is lying? Go to Oyedepos church and see how they obtain them on a regular. People even write check now for offering. I have heard of several churches that collect monies from their These men are rogues, period. Even Jesus sef no hustle the multitude wey gather come watch am.[/quote] |
| Satellite TV Technology › Re: Installing A Motorised Satellite Dish System by Enigma(m): 7:57pm On Mar 31, 2010 |
Still on the case of Diseqc/USALS motors for low latitudes, I have found one that can do as low as 0 latitude: http://www.sg6000-motor.com/ I think this is instructive for the satellite kit sellers in particular --- that if they will be importing motors into Nigeria, they need to import those that can do low latitudes. ETA Instead of making new posts, I will just add any more that I find to this post; so http://www.wsidigital.com/sg9120-tube.gif |
| Satellite TV Technology › Re: Installing A Motorised Satellite Dish System by Enigma(m): 5:28pm On Mar 31, 2010 |
@ fasone That is a very very useful post! I recently bought a second Moteck 2100 with the intention of using it in Nigeria but had not paid attention to the point you made. I have now double checked both my Motecks (the one I'm using currently and the spare) and truly the elevation scale is callibrated at 15-65; that means it really will not be suitable for Nigeria - not for optimal use at least! I will search around and see if there are any such motors for lower latitudes e.g. South Africa, Australia etc! On the issue of the time it takes, it really is not that much ---- granted it is a little slower than a single or multi-LNB set up; the advantages of the motor overall outweigh the slight delay issue.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Teleportation, Psychokinesis, Etc Ontologically Possible, Spiritually / Not? by Enigma(m): 9:43am On Mar 31, 2010 |
All those who believe in telekinesis raise up my hand! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Enigma(m): 11:11pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
Traugott:Except that the RCCG for example will tell you that "tithes" is exclusively for the pastor. Tithe and Offering(all emphases added --- not original) From earlier discussion here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-413488.0.html#msg5713293 |
| Politics › Re: Ministers To Sue Mr President For Been Sacked. by Enigma(m): 10:00pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
@ OP Pls this is meant helpfully ---- you used "been" improperly when it should be "being". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Enigma(m): 9:48pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
Fhemmmy:Because listening to one's heart means a Christian will know God's law in his own heart ---- which is to give the money to the friend. That is what Jesus taught! On top of it there is NO obligation, requirement or necessity for a Christian to "tithe". |
| Christianity Etc › Biblical Plagues Really Happened Say Scientists by Enigma(op): 8:29am On Mar 30, 2010 |
Researchers believe they have found evidence of real natural disasters on which the ten plagues of Egypt, which led to Moses freeing the Israelites from slavery in the Book of Exodus in the Bible, were based.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7530678/Biblical-plagues-really-happened-say-scientists.html http://www.techeye.net/science/climatologists-claim-to-have-found-biblical-plagues |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Some Moslems, Buddhists & Non-believers Are Members Of Body Of Christ" by Enigma(op): 12:08am On Mar 28, 2010 |
Romans 2:14-16 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Enigma(m): 11:46pm On Mar 27, 2010 |
Mabell I take your point but I really do think that the words used by Biox are on a different level to 'charlatan'. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Some Moslems, Buddhists & Non-believers Are Members Of Body Of Christ" by Enigma(op): 11:18pm On Mar 27, 2010 |
[quote author=petres_007 link=topic=419596.msg5780158#msg5780158 date=1269716349]Jeez! I really do have a lot to ask you guys - INesQor and Enigma. This your absurd idea about non-believers being members of the body of Christ and "making heaven" is. . . I dunno what to say. Coming from guys like you. . . Well, I just hope I can find enough time online to join this discussion soon before it gets stale. Cheers!  [/quote]Hi Petres_007I understand your concern about this topic; in fact, you will notice that the opening post mentioned that Billy Graham's statement has been controversial (actually, that is an understatement because many have vilified and even condemned Graham for it). However, the interesting thing is that this view point is actually quite common in traditional christianity. In fact it is the doctrine of the Catholic church, as far as I understand it; it is also a wide held view in the Anglican tradition. I have also read that people like C S Lewis and John Wesley held this view. Before going on, I need to make a clarification: this view, for which we may use the broad term 'inclusivism' is different from 'universalism' --- which is another kettle of fish altogether. Now back to the point: there are many ways to look at it BUT[/B] always remember that as Christians we hold that Jesus is the [b]only way. There is no other way!. Having established that, let us look at a couple of scenarios: 1. Jesus is the door ---- everyone must go through that door. 2. Jesus is the gatekeeper --- everyone must get the approval of that gatekeeper to go in. 2(a) You are going to a party; they have a tough bouncer at the gate; but he is your friend; therefore before you leave home you are assured of entry. Mr. A is not a friend of the bouncer; he has no IV; he goes along nonetheless; for some reason the bouncer lets him in - telling him, "yesterday I saw you giving that blind man N100, I thought that was sweet of you"; or Miss C goes along, the bouncer says "oh I saw you smile nicely at an old lady yesterday, I thought that was nice, do come in". 3. Nobody comes to the Father except through Jesus: looked at another way, nobody comes to the Father except on Jesus' say-so; so supposing Jesus says to a chap who was a Moslem on this earth, "you can come in"! Compare this to the parable of the wedding feast ----- all those who were then invited from the street, after some of the original guests had messed up, were they originally invited? Were they in the "inner circle". The summary: as Christians, we know, at least should know, that we are certainly of the "inner circle"; we have assurance of salvation. That is all we can say ------ as for those in the "outer circle", we trust the Judge of all the earth to do right. That is all we are saying. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Some Moslems, Buddhists & Non-believers Are Members Of Body Of Christ" by Enigma(op): 3:47pm On Mar 27, 2010 |
Good piece, InesQor. Also, Jesus said: . . . whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother(Matthew 12:50) ETA and Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'(Matthew 7: 21-23) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Biblical Inerrancy by Enigma(m): 3:16pm On Mar 27, 2010 |
Truly, God works in mysterious ways; very good site, that linked by Krayola! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Says Bishop David Oyedepo Is Not A Living Legend? by Enigma(m): 5:39pm On Mar 26, 2010 |
Any one who preaches that there are some sins that the sacrifice of Jesus does not cover is beneath contemptible. This is what Oyedepo did in a tape that I saw some years ago; IIRC two examples were given ---- both on the basis that they had promises attached. The first was (a) honour your father and mother . . . that it may be well with you and (b) ( . . . don't tell me you can't guess this one!!!) Oh ok then: (b) Bring all the tithe into the store-house . . . that I may rebuke the devourer. |
| Satellite TV Technology › Re: Codes For Nigerian Movies And Nollywood Movies In London by Enigma(m): 5:04pm On Mar 26, 2010 |
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle . . . . . ." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Some Moslems, Buddhists & Non-believers Are Members Of Body Of Christ" by Enigma(op): 10:28am On Mar 26, 2010 |
A good example is Job . . .There are many examples in the Bible Cornelius the centurion? The Ethiopean eunuch? The Good Samaritan? ETA: the people in Acts who made the inscription "to an unknown God"? Several examples in the old Testament i.e. pre physical manifestation of Jesus Christ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Some Moslems, Buddhists & Non-believers Are Members Of Body Of Christ" by Enigma(op): 10:02am On Mar 26, 2010 |
Yep, agreed InesQor. A lady made one use of Genesis 18:25 that has always stuck with me. The passage says: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Dare You To Respond! by Enigma(m): 9:25am On Mar 26, 2010 |
estrella:It was a pleasure estrella; I'm very confident you'll be fine; God bless. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Enigma(m): 2:20am On Mar 26, 2010 |
Biox:So much for CEC members/Oyakhilome worshippers claiming to have the "filling of the 'spirit'" or "walk in love" ---- using such gutter language! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Haiti Relief: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Raises Funds by Enigma(m): 2:10am On Mar 26, 2010 |
I have noticed that some of the insults thrown by some of the CEC folk here go beyond just heated exchanges as we sometimes have. For example I saw one of them (a newbie on nairaland in fairness, at least as far as I know) abuse someone as "oloshi alakori" and not in jest as gutter language can sometimes be excused! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Dare You To Respond! by Enigma(m): 1:55am On Mar 26, 2010 |
estrella:There really is no need to apologise and I am sorry too if I came across as harsh. In truth, I don't think anyone can provide a wholly satisfactory answer for you. Ultimately, you must find the place of reconciliation for yourself with the help of the Holy Spirit. I may make a later post dealing with some of your specific questions but in terms of the more general points I can only give a few basic ideas of how I find my own reconciliation. It starts with accepting as the truth that Jesus is God who became manifested in human flesh - Emmanuel, God with us. Now, whilst there can be intellectual explanations of this, ultimately it is a matter of faith inspired by the Holy Spirit. Second, it comes with taking the words and teachings of Christ, to the best of my intellectual and spiritual understanding, as the ultimate. It is through the prism of the words and teachings of Christ that I read and try to understand the whole Bible. Take an example: Jesus Himself gave teachings which in an intellectual and sometimes literal sense contradict what is in parts of the Old Testament ---- e.g. "you have heard it said . . . but I tell you . . . "; "for your hardness of heart Moses said . . . but I tell you . . ." On the other hand, Jesus Himself held the Old Testament ("the Scriptures" in high regard! An apparent contradiction? Maybe not. Remember Jesus Himself said He came to fulfil "the law". My summary of these is that, ultimately, the anomalies boil down to man's shortcomings either in understanding or in expression - and this leads to the point in the next paragraph.The Bible itself is a book that comprises many parts or types of writing: narratives, history, sayings, law, prophecy etc etc. Not everything said in the Bible is necessarily said by God. Take the book of Proverbs: some misguided people will take all of the sayings in that book as though they were sayings/words of God; on the other hand it is readily obvious that it is a collection of inter alia extant sayings etc --- and when looked at properly some of those sayings require further thought or fleshing or contextualisation in order to make sense and in order even for some of them not to contradict one another. In Nigeria we have a lot of traditional proverbs: many of them if taken at face value will seem wrong and contradictory of others - especially in a modern/developed world; but if we place each in the context of its expression we can understand the proper logic of the proverb. Take one: "Ile oba ti o jo, ewa l'o bu si" ------ if the King's palace gets burnt down, it only adds to its beauty! Crazy? I'm sure you can rationalise and contextualise it! With regard to some of the apparently "more wicked" historical parts of the Bible e.g. God giving instructions to go and "utterly" strike the Amalekites, one way of looking at this is to consider that the expression or setting down of the story is perhaps coloured by the perspective of the story teller. I am not denying (a) that such passages are difficult or (b) that my approach is open to legitimate logical criticism. I only put it up as one consideration ---- I don't think anyone can deny that God is being seriously misrepresented by many people today. While I do not place Bible authors on the same footing as the modern charlatans at all, I am simply saying that man's expression or representation of God can often be coloured by his own experiences or even prejudices. This takes me back to the point about reading the whole Bible through the prism of the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself ---- for that is where you will begin to find the answers in the quest for reconciliation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why People Believe Or Hold Unto Religious Beliefs. by Enigma(m): 7:04pm On Mar 25, 2010 |
Tales of two fellows who first let go of religious beliefs but returned to pick up and hold on to those beliefs. http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2009/04/conversion-experience-atheism http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255983/How-I-God-peace-atheist-brother-PETER-HITCHENS-traces-journey-Christianity.html |
| Christianity Etc › "Some Moslems, Buddhists & Non-believers Are Members Of Body Of Christ" by Enigma(op): 5:45pm On Mar 25, 2010 |
http://www.mercifultruth.com/graham.htm (I have used a somewhat Graham-friendly site; there are many critical sites on the issue, naturally) Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.Above is part of a statement made by/attributed to Billy Graham which has been a bit controversial; however, I am quite comfortable with it because, in my view, it still acoords with Christ's statements "I am the Way. . ." and "Nobody comes to the Father except by Me . . ." I'd also like to point out that the last pope (I'm fairly sure the current one as well), the current Archbishop of Canterbury have made statements to the same/similar effect. PS: this thread arose from a tangent on another thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-414941.0.html |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Chinese Language Unmasks A Startling Discovery Of The Truths Of Genesis by Enigma(m): 5:38pm On Mar 25, 2010 |
OK, I will start a new thread then. EDIT: the resulting thread is here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-419596.0.html#msg5766595 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Dare You To Respond! by Enigma(m): 4:42pm On Mar 25, 2010 |
estrella:For a start your thread is titled "I Dare . . . " I'm afraid that for me, that is the very reason I will not engage ---- beyond pointing out what I did earlier. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Dare You To Respond! by Enigma(m): 3:33pm On Mar 25, 2010 |
@ OP I hope you do realise that many of us are, remain and will always remain Christians despite knowing these things you point out. You may also consider that we have ways of reconciling our faith with these "anomalies". Interestingly, while not all our ways of such reconciling necessarily accord with one another (indeed not all of them are necessarily "intellectually sound" and not all of them necessarily have the stamp of integrity) there are indeed intellectually coherent (even logical) and spiritually underpinned ways of achieving the reconciliation. The other thing you might consider is that whilst we might be ready to, we do not feel obliged in every instance to justify our manner(s) of reconciliing the apparent "anomalies". |
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