₦airaland Forum

garriboy:
My broda, I understand d point u r making, but u cannot exonerate sans in this regard. Let me use ur example of 419ers in Nigeria. Everyone isn't a scammer in Nigeria but that's not d reason why embassies make it difficult to grant Nigerians visas into their country. Its becos of the few who are 419ers. Dats just hw tins work in dis world. There are so many countries in africa but one particularly is known for xenophobism (as Nigerians are known for being dubious), that one is SA. An average foreigner may be scared of going to SA to avoid being victim of xenophobia and dis is nt good for SA's reputation. So its good u made it clear dat ur submission is ur opinion but it doesn't change d impression most people already have.

quite sensible

madejibo:

Sir, to be honest SA society does not permit foreigners to "hustle". A lot of south africans are unskilled and therefor look for the hustling jobs. I don't think it is fair for a Nigerian or any other Nationality to go to sa and compete with their citizen. BTW the law in SA does not permit a foreigner to remain in SA if you don't have some skills which they call scarce skill or exceptional skills, so if you are living there without such skills you are either an asylum seeker or illegal.
Another set of people allowed to live in SA are business owners an by law your business must worth R5m. They have laws, we must respect their laws

justwise:
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So they should be attacked and killed?

Of course not
The OP is simply stating what he feels is the obvious

Its like the US embassy informing its citizens to avoid some states in Nigeria because of terrorism
it doesn't mean that the US is condoning terrorism if its citizen decides to go to such states and is consequently kidnapped

Another example is this:
-lets say girls that dress a certain way in the night and are in certain spots are typically w.hores
-the cops wrongly round them up once in a while and collect bribe from them or forcefully assault them.
-a descent girl happens to have dressed in a certain way and was at the same spot in the night doing something honest
-the cops came in and descended on her.

The advice here is two pronged
1) Cops should not harass folks
2) Please ladies try to avoid this spot at night, and even if you do, please try to dress differently.

I see nothing wrong with such well intentioned advice

@madejibo

I've been clicking like on many of your posts
you come across as being an extremely sensible fellow
may your prosper more, and may your intelligence know no bounds
do not mind those who their retort to a well laid out argument whether right or wrong is to first insult before attempting to think

when you're done with conquering other nations through the sheer might of you God blessed wisdom and understanding
spare a thought of coming back home someday and investing some saneness of mind on some young impressionable Nigerians that are at a cross road -knowing not if to turn to acceptable foolhardiness or thread the path of sophisticated reasoning.

Stay blessed

abouzaid:
lai Mohammed denied the report and they still went ahead to print it while you guys are killing yourselves over it making me wonder if any of you actually read it. buhari will run ministerial business as usual in order to settle d boys. we are already repeatedly hearing talks of the no of ministers promised to the likes of tinubu while obj pushes for a minister for finance. i don't see any remarkable change occurring during this mans tenure.

thanks for this.
however, the discussions are still relevant in order to feel the pulse of the electorate.


A number of people are making sense here, and this is what is coming through in the discussions:

1) We don't like the large number of political appointees that are a drain on our purse
2) Even the best government with the most noble of intentions might be constrained by constitutional provisions and/or national habits to trim down the number of ministers
3) No one wants to feel marginalized and all stakeholders expect to be treated fairly
4) Creative ways could be explored to prune down the number of ministers and other appointments
5) Constitutional amendments might be needed; or constitution challenged; or constitution bent to see this through

and finally:
6) APC is no longer trying to win the election. Talk is not what we need, after all GEJ was good at good ideas that were sent to committees and left to rot there. APC are soon going to be in charge. We want actionable CHANGEs and not mere proposals that might not see the light of day.

yinkeys:
Bros you like book too much.

naa

just trying to make up for the lost years that the caterpillar stole with my approval
when I was busy drinking beer, sleeping and chasing girls in my university days instead of studying

chingydaboss:
Tanx

You're welcome

so particles of drugs found on someone immediately equates to the person committing suicide while autopsy result is being awaited

jeez
dumb, dumber, dumbest

chingydaboss:
Sowi bro.. jst wanted to knw y u did =B3*0.1 on cell B5.. pls kindly expatiate..tanx

B3*0.1 when typed in B5
it multiplies the value in B3 which is 100,000 by 0.1 to give 10,000

0.1 is the numerical equivalent of 10% which is the percentage for tithe

AjanleKoko:
As always, they'll be doing what they know how to do - expose the truth.

Recall they were at the forefront of exposing Yar'Adua-Gate, and even did an expose on Tinubu.

Naa.. Sahara reporters are not in the business of exposing the truth
they are more into the business of focussing and throwing leaks (whether truth or not) at powerful political figures
however they do have some people who they like a lot and will hesitate to throw such rumours at. For example, Sanusi, Ribadu, Bakare and the former IG.

It sure is good that at least we do get some useful/truthful and stirring information from them.

Me thinks that they will soon zero in on Tinubu

Sorry guys
i couldn't help pasting this here :

Behold a man that keeps to his words
https://www.nairaland.com/2252008/man-treks-abuja-lagos-fulfil

he made a vow that if Buhari wins he'd treck from Abuja to lagos
and so he's doing it. now this is credibility

Proverbs 6:
1My son, if you have become surety for your neighbor, Have given a pledge for a stranger, 2If you have been snared with the words of your mouth, Have been caught with the words of your mouth, 3Do this then, my son, and deliver yourself; Since you have come into the hand of your neighbor, Go, humble yourself, and importune your neighbor. 4Give no sleep to your eyes, Nor slumber to your eyelids; 5Deliver yourself like a gazelle from the hunter's hand And like a bird from the hand of the fowler

well done Ribadu
Ribadu left APC for a reason

he was apparently being sidelined by the party hierarchy even in his home state Adamawa
this is quite demeaning especially when he had previously been used by ACN as a presidential candidate to embellish its progressive credentials and publicly made to eat his vomit regarding Tinubu's corruption credentials and then dumped for GEJ by that same Tinubu during the presidential election of 2011

And then came the offer from GEJ
..anyone in his shoes would have done the same

dafuturis:
Op, I want to know what you ate before writing this article.

Rat pepper soup or were you just sprayed insecticide?

sorry, the article is not meant for rat enthusiasts
look for the bushmeat section in Nairaland, you'll find company there

@ multicast

ever heard the story of the native doctor that advised a woman that came to him for help about her insultive husband?
he gave her a stick and told her that anytime the guys is abusing her, she should just chew it without talking
..it worked

dont bother sitting her down to yarn anything. ignore her like shes a baby or be the first to throw tantrums at any small thing
..na she go run

thank me later

Sweetguy25:
And why is everyone talking of manufacturing? Is manufacturing the only sector in the economy?

At least, it's one step beyond trading which we currently specialize in

Pavore9:
Unemployment is just like in Nigeria but with being a Nigerian l smell opportunities which locals ignore as there are a lot of things one can learn easily here at little cost and when he or she implements it in Nigeria it will be an ATM!

I guess this would go at least a little way to buttress the point that the provision of electricity does not automatically equate to job creation

..that is aside from other environmental scanning such as "at what cost will this energy be provided in Nigeria?"

that you are able to smell business opportunities in (or from) Kenya as a Nigerian living there should also demonstrate that perspective is a strong factor in locating and utilizing opputunities. I'll digress from my major point in the OP, and say perhaps, that's how some foreigners also smell opportunities in our country that we who live here are not able to perceive

kcjazz:
Really? You can compete based on cost like Southwest Airlines or even Apple. Cost and profit is relative. In 2007 Lehman Brothers posted profits of 6billion dollars. That is 50 times what Manchester United earned that same year, by 2008 Lehman brothers was no more.

Yep, really.

This would be pushing us beyond my original assertion, but here we go.
(hope I remember corectly what happened)
Lehman brother collapsed because of the sub-prime mortgage
Companies balnce sheet is based not only on raw cash, but also on the value of their assets
Previously, Lehmans' brother's asset were very valuable and so made their balance sheet look good
when the value of the sub prime assets (which was somehow connected to Lehman'ns profits) plummeted,
it also told on their balance sheet, making them a loss making firm

Banks realized that the burst of the bubble was systemic and not something that would go away quickly,
so they refused to extend credit to lehman
In US unlike Nigeria, when your business cannot meet some obligations, such as paying staff, satisfying investors etc it goes burst

The issue is if as a business there is a cheaper efficient means to run then grab it. It doesn't matter what profits you making. It is why many banks run inverters to power Atms.

Agreed

Will better energy solve unemployment? Largely yes.

you've not provided a strong case here. At least not the case below

You can hire better people to help innovate to stay competitive, the catch is better soup na money kill am.

how does better energy equate to hiring better people to stay competitive??

There are so many factors to these unemployment issue and power is huge . Save money to stay competitive.

Agreed, there are many factors. That is why I talk about the holistic view and not the simplistic assumption that says "give us power, and don't worry about jobs, we'll take care of that ourselves"

Sweetguy25:
In this 21st century, knowledge drives businesses and the economy and not necessarily equipments or machinery.

As someone who is quite conversant with the problems facing SMEs in Nigeria, I can easily tell you that electricity is not our major problem.

Access to finance for entrepreneurs is a bigger problem
Lack of proper financial and marketing management is also a bigger problem
Lack of proper operations management is also a bigger problem

Businesses in Nigeria don't "know" how to manage their human and financial resources effectively. That is the same problem with Nigeria as a whole, we cannot manage our human, financial and natural resources effectively and efficiently.

The key problem is knowledge. That is the problem with Nigeria and other third world countries.

We may have 24 hours electricity supply but that won't make our graduates employable and a statistic put the number of unemployable graduates at 70 percent. If graduates are unemployable, they wont get jobs because they can't offer any value to businesses.

We may have 24 hours electricity but if there's no money to start a business because interest rates are at 27 percent, there will be no jobs.

Electricity is not our problem.

Sweetguy is do naw
why are you taking away my shine?

haba
I don't enjoy it when any body get sense pass me

mikolo80:
...
NO WODER MY MUMSIE INSITED ON ME SHOWING THE WORKINGS INSTEAD OF WURUWUR TO THE ANSWER

ahahaha
no kill me with laugh abeg

emiye:
dont get worked up dude, i only feel your thread theme is a naive opinion, no one knows everything, we all have our areas of naievity, i pointed that out to you, but you tried going the condescending away, for that you should be ashamed of yourself.

In clear terms, there are several factors contributing to the high cost of doing business in Nigeria, shortage of power supply sits atop of it, other factors are multiple taxation, regulatory infractions, e.t.c, there is a direct linkage between high Cost of doing business and reduced competitiveness. Competition in manufacturing is not only internal(within the country), it is also external (outside the country), that is why there are several importers of products beseiging china, e.t.c All over the world SMEs dictate the pace of the economy and usually the largest provider of employment, they do not usually start with high profit margins, when their supposed small profit margins are eroded through high cost of production due to power supply costs, they sometimes end up running at a loss and closing up in a very short time. Many artisans abandon their productive work due to poor power supply and become motorcycle riders. Stable power supply reduces cost of business, and encourages more SMEs and multinationals, luckily cheap labour abound. There is a reason American companies prefer moving factories in to china instead of staying in America, they want to tinker and reduce cost of doing business which cheap labour in china boosters.

now you're almost sounding like a pleasant and sensible fellow
keep it up and you'd be dinning with diplomats not riffraffs (except u like our brand of politics)

But the punishment for your previous misyarn is that I won't tackle this post for now. maybe another time

anonimi:
That is why SENSIBLE countries impose stiff tariff regimes to discourage imports thus enhancing the national competitive environment to grow the industries, innovation, revenue and employment.
China, India, South Korea etc did it.

..........Abi na where the cheap imports want lead us to

o boy u get sense
sensible people are not allowed here

mikolo80:
ENGLISH NOT OUR FIRST LANGUAGE
MOST ALSO READ TO PASS EXAMS AND NOT THINK
NOT THEIR FAULT
ITS THE WAY THEY WERE EDUCATED

lol
you're funny

mikolo80:
BRO WE ARE NEW TO DEMOCRACY(FACT)
WE'VE TAKEN THE FIRST STEP(VOTD OUT PDP) TO "ENSURING" GOOD POLICIES
HOPEFULLY WE GET TO TEST RUN THE POWER OF RECALL ON IDLE LAWMAKERS

good
I just hope that the new political gladiators are not as simplistic as their electorate

I hope they do not like the electorate say "lets' give them 24 power supplier and they the electorates will create jobs themselves"
then they go about awarding electricity contracts and awaiting this job creation magic to happen on its own

Sweetguy25:
If MTN constantly makes about 700 billion naira every year in Nigeria with the present electricity conditions, I will gladly opine that electricity is not a primary cause of employment/unemployment.

abeg chop knuckle
I liked the way u said "primary"

mikolo80:
COST SCHMOST
ALL THESE YOUR SEMANTICS
YOU KNOW WHAT NIGERIANS MEAN WHEN THEY SAY THEY WANT ELECTICITY(POWER/LIGHT/NEPA/PHCN)
ELECTRICITY AT TODAYS CHEAPER(LARGE SCALE WHOLESALE COMPETITIVE ) PRICE

kudos
you're breaking it down

You really think that the calibre of some of the Nigerians that have commented here, know what they mean when they say they want electricity and daz all?

If they did they would not have jumped in gregariously shooting me down like a manic herd

omenka:
Something the equivalent of "co-location" in the telecoms can be used to eliminate the cumbersome nature of this. Once the will is there, it can be done. The technology is readily available.

So, I guess this is a suggestion from you (not what is presently in the works)
am I correct?

mikolo80:
SHELL CAN AFFORD GAS TURBINES(BIG ASSS ONES)
IF MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION OF NIGERIA WEREN'T MADE UP OF OLD FARRTS THEY'D PULL TOGETHER AND GET BANKS AND STOCK MARKET TO FUND 100-1000 MW OFF GRID INDUSTRIAL PARKS(25MW EVEN) AROUND VIABLE INDUSTRIAL CLUSTERS(ABA,LAGOS,OGUN,IBADAN,KANO,KADUNA)

Great
ah,.....thank God say intelligent people still dey here ooo
Now, this is what is called thinking out of the box, not just sitting around bottles of beer and rubbing ones belli then mouthing "Give us power and forget job creation we are special and can cope on our own"

This brings us back to the beauty of ensuring or proposing that government policies are purposefully designed to encouraging such actions
and reducing environmental barriers

mikolo80:
DEMAND AND SUPPLY PEOPLE WILL FORCE GARRI TO FIND LEVEL IF NOT GARRI WOULD BE SOLD 1MILLION PER KONGO.PLEASE BE REALISTIC

One of NairaLand rules (nos 11) is do not write in all CAPS

Demand and supply and its effect on cost works better in a free market
Unfortunately, it is difficult for some industries to fall neatly and un-nurged into this model. Central water generation for example, and Central power generation (although omenka raised an idea on this which I am curios to see how it works)

I.m being realistic when I say government has a role to play in devising strategies and policies that should keep cost of energy source low while ensuring that the organisations providing them are able to make good profit margins.

i'm also being very realistic when I say that government should assiduously work towards consciously creating the enabling environment for job creation

omenka:
And who says you can't switch?? The gencos and transcos would have their dedicated infrastructures (transformers and power lines) just as you have the various telecoms service providers with their respective masts and fibre optic cables. Then they also would have their various metre cards (which are sim cards for telecoms). The metres would be the equivalent of phones (one can switch the cards just as one can switch sims) and you can purchase units from whichever service provider you desire just as we purchase recharge cards. You can paint the rest of the picture from there

There you have it. It is not rocket science. That is deregulation for you.

uhmmm
interesting. If I get you correctly
I'm not aware that each household would have multiple transmission wires from different providers running into the same meter from which the users card of choice can be programmed to select the lines that should be used.

Is this a statement of fact or a proposal?

emiye:
see the example of naievity, I talked about. if d cost of doing business is high, how well can the factory stay competitive? in no time, whatever being produced in house will be replaced via demand by import substitutes, the coy does not stay afloat, and it sacks its workers.

when folks bring ideas to the table you counter them with greater or equal ideas not insults
that's what makes you a homo sapien, fit for interacting with civilized society and not a haphazard concocted product of a broken system

get it?

kcjazz:
Are "flexible energy" sources healthier? Have you considered lost man power hours due to illness? Do you also know that respiratory illnesses are one of the highest in Nigeria? The costs cannot be justified in any way for generators. Alternative like PHCN are cheaper.

If the cost of doing business is high factories will close. At night I need security lights on, I only have a 15kva generator. I don't have the grid light. At low productivity, now I run my generator overnight to keep the fridge on and for security. It burns fuel irrespective of the capacity. Pollutes the environment as well.

Phcn and their likes all over the world are monopolies because of the infrastructure costs, prices come down based on scale. The only way generators can be cheaper is if they are all connected to the grid and excess capacities shared among consumers. That is not possible.

Companies should consider alternative sources like solar to cut costs

good argument ..but
Factories don't close if the cost of doing business is high
they close if they are not competitive.

Competiveness in turn is dependent on many factors including its cost relative to profit and revenue, and the environment the business competes in

If a business spends 1 billion on energy and makes 1 trillion profit, it wont close shop easily except the environment forces it to

Pavore9:
l live in Nairobi and have 24hrs access to electricity and my monthly electricity bill is not even up yo N1,000 but l know how high my productivity have been. My brother in Lagos is into production and his edge is that his machines do not requires electricity though manual even a 7 year old can operate it. For every of the machine he imports from the U.S for just N80,000 (which is the cost of some people's phone) he employs 2 Nigerians and his finished products he exports to Kenya at a shipping cost of N740 per kilo, l feel happy to see that what he produces in Lagos is highly regarded here in Kenya!

We also have to look into energy source, l have understudied many farms here in Kenya that generate some of the power they use in the farms from waste generated from the farms thus reducing cost of production.

great
Some great and valid points you've made (especially with regard to alternative energy sources....ur strike me as a proper business minded person) but quite many which can push me off what I aim to pass across.
for example, I could ask who provides this central electric power in Kenya, how long it has been provided by the provider, and if there is any direct intervention by the government on cost of this power.

However, quick one.
what is the unemployment rate in Kenya? just curious