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SavageResponse:
Saying that a child will be good or bad irrespective of where he is raised means you think that raising a child is actually a gamble

No, bro. I'm not undermining environmental influence, I'm saying every environment has its good and bad sides. Also, many african immigrants create the African environment by immersing themselves in the African communities abroad thus giving the children a fair chance at enjoying both. Some don't want to have anything to do with Africans until they need their child to be African, then they bundle them home. Such parents wouldn't still do any better even if they were in Nigeria, they'd still hide thier kids on the Island. I believe parents play the most important role.

Again, what some call out "turn out fine" is a child who can speak and understand thier language/culture. We view "fine" through the spectrum of our culture. Speaking one's language is great but I don't think not being able to speak one's language is enough to say a child didn't turn out fine. Nevertheless, travelling home to learn your language (or even going anywhere to learn a certain culture/language is always a great thing). Just my opinion.

Walkee:
lol a simple minded fool. Why not tell your mother to fucck around like your father let's see if she won't be dragged around the town like the worthless wh0re she is.
My girlfriend lives with me, she knows all my sidechics and they all know her, If she fuccks another guy I will get rid of her. I'm a traditional man. I take full care of her as long as she is with me

Well, you are a dog and you're dealing with fellow dogs, I wasn't expecting anything different. You can go ahead to sleep with everything in skirt, it doesn't change anything for others. And it's not really your fault, I blame your parents that failed you. Just don't deceive any girl while at it.The mere fact that I'm chatting with you is embarrassing me cause from the look of things, it's very likely I'm onto a street tout. By the way, the fact that you believe the ladies you sleep with are sleeping with you alone knowing you aren't committed goes to show just how delusional you are.

awulio:
I’m not talking about deviant kids that I read about. I’m talking out of personal experiences here in America..... even American parents complain about their kids. Nigerian parents complain about it the kids. Every Nigerian kid that I know that went back to nigeria for a few.m years came back better and more respectful. They all said living in nigeria made them appreciate everything their parents do for them. Not 1 not 2.m but more than 10 kids that I know were sent back for about 2 years. I’m taking from personal experience. You talking from what you read .

It's very unlikely that all the kids you know that went to Nigeria for thier teenage years ended up fine while those that didn't became problematic. I'm not doubting your experience. All I'm saying is, if you look closely, you'd also see many kids who are doing well without having to go home and many others who went home and joined bad gangs in Nigeria. Fine is relative. Your boss at work and your colleagues aren't all crazy, they just have a different cultur. Except your'e talking about kids knowing thier culture, I'd say a child becoming something in life is neither here nor there.

I believe those kids you observed just needed a new guardian who knows how to train kids in the presence of luxury. Not all parents can raise kids in the presence of luxury. Some don't have the mind to deny thier kids certain things or subject them to certain levels of difficulties, so they'd rather send the kids home and let another person do it. In this case, it's about the parents and thier shortcomings and not necessarily the US or Africa. Those parents would have still had exactly the same issues with the kid if they were living in places like the Banana Island in Nigeria. I know this because most of those kids that go home still go to live in luxurious places, sometimes even more luxurious and stress free than where they were in the US. So the change of country might not be the changing factor. The major difference is their new guardian who does the things their parents could not do.

Your last sentence is heavy on assumptions. I've lived in three different countries including the same North America where I presently reside so I've got my own share of experience too. Many black kids here with immigrant parents are doing fine (I was even surprised to see some speaking Igbo) though not all. Likewise, many kids in Nigeria are touts, Yahoo boys but not all. Environmental factors matter but the core of the child content can be moulded by parents. I strongly do not subscribe to the idea of sending kids away for this exact reason.

Walkee:
why are you crying and all emotional?
No theories, just facts and reality. Men don't cheat. As long as it's fine for a man to marry 200 wives, sleeping with multiple women is 100% fine. Nobody gives a shiiit about a man chastity, not in history, not today not tomorrow. If you can't keep your emotions in check while quoting me you better get the fucck out of here.
Are you dumb or what? Any man who lies is not worthy of being called a man. Why hide your other women when you can marry them all? I have never supported a cowardly man. You have zero argument that's why you continue to bring cowardly men into the argument when I have stated countless times that they aren't even worthy of being called men not to talk of them having multiple women.
My cousin was having an affair with a woman close to his place, his wife went to quarrel with the woman, my cousin married the woman as a second wife few weeks later. Nobody batted an lid because it is 100% normal, biologically, traditionally and naturally.
Reverse the case, let's say the wife is the one having affair, suddenly the legitimacy of the children will be in question, nobody will be sure who their father is, and she will not be able to simply just marry her boyfriend as a second husband rather she would have been be shamed publicly as a LovePeddler and a disgrace. Typing rubbish on Nairaland will not change reality you are only deluding yourself with fantasy.
Lastly, misogyny is a myth.

We don't have more men than women. That's just a feminist fantasy disguised as "research" Majority of men are in prison, dead or homeless. 90% of women 60 years and above in my area are widows. Women live longer than men, more men go to prison than women, a fetus is automatically female until the y chromosome kicks in which means more female children are likely to be born than male. Where are men supposed to get the number from?

Your quotes are always full of insults and yet I'm the one emotional? Men don't cheat? Dp you even know what cheating is?

Lol... You are simply delusional, young one. You sell your baseless and childish theories as if they were facts and then refuse to accept statistical facts? It's either I'm chatting with a kid or a psychopath who lives in his own imaginary world. Nothing you say is ever close to reality, just a world you'd rather like to have. But unfortunately for you, the real world is far away from that. More men are in monogamous relationships that in polygamous ones, yet they sleep around while hiding it from their spouses. That's cheating, that's the reality today and not all these childish ranting you're onto. Chances are, you'd end up a cheat when you grow up cause you come from a family of irresponsible men. You can't give what you don't have. But nothing, nothing at all, ever justifies cheating.

If you want to have sex like a dog (which is obviously the end goal of your argument), don't get into a monogamous relationship. Is that too much of a task? Such a disgusting fellow from the gutters.

Walkee:
lol. You have not been able to even refute a single thing I posted and you are struggling to even comprehend basic illustration of how the world works. Biology, tradition, nature etc or support and encourage men having multiple sexual partners. There aren't male hoes, there are no male Virgins chastity is solely for the female gender. There's a reason penis doesn't have a hymen. We are not discussing a subject of mutual agreement or understanding. You claim there are male hoes and I'm simply refuting your claim. Because the world started struggling with population the last few decades does not mean this is how the world has always been.

50 years ago, a family with the most children were always the wealthiest and most respected this was because works were mainly dependent on physical strength and number, that's how the world has always been since the beginning of time till technology advanced to this stage and numbers became less relevant and these numbers were achieved by men sleeping with multiple women. A man who can easily sleep with many women always have more respect from both men and women than a man who can't even get a woman to sleep with, while a woman who hasn't slept with a man has more respect than a woman who easily sleeps with multiple men.

The fact that the past 50 years has reduced the dependency on physical strength and number doesn't mean thousands of years of evolution and tradition will vanish.

So how many of your archaic cultures are you practicing today? Is it even your culture to be dressed the way you dress? Or you just select the part that pleases you and keep? Biology gives you gives you dick, so it makes sense that you must mess around, how logical. Let's not even talk about population cause the fact that you the world is presently over populated disqualifies whatever rubbish you have to say in that regards. Oh... and we have more men than women.

You see, you idea of cheating all about sex sex sex. You've jumped from history to biology to culture and whatever it is you're into now. Yet, your misogynistic mind didn't tell you that it's called CHEATING cause it's deceitful. You can sleep all the women in this world. A woman can sleep with as many men as she wants, even your baseless theories don't hold anyone back. But the moment you tell someone she's the only one and will continue to be, you're committed. If you go ahead and do it with another, you are a liar. You are unreliable. You are not trustworthy. There's no justification for that. So if you want to increase the population, go ahead but don't deceive/cheat while at it.

I won't be surprised if you come back with an argument why lying is good for men.

awulio:
America is not the best place to live dude. I know a girl right now that smokes, drinks and even stabbed her brother because the brother told her not to be shouting at the mother.....The mother can’t do anything to discipline the child. The girl has been going in and out of jail since she was 16.....American children are the most ill behaved kids here.....Plus the only reason that American children can invent stuff is because the government invests in the schools... but when it comes to book it’s Indians and Nigerians that are top.... out of 65 Black Harvard medical school students last year 44 were Nigerian.

I never said America was the best place to raise a kid. I said someone living in the western world does not need to send his teens to Nigeria. North America has both Canada's and the US. I only used the US as example but the western world goes beyond America. Yes, you know the story of a useless child but does that really summarise America? Do you have the slightest idea how many stories of people who have killed or maimed their loved ones we see on front page everyday? Have you suddenly forgotten the numerous stories of boys gang rapping younger girls we read everyday here? Does any of these stories summarise Nigeria? No, they don't cause many Nigerians are doing great. Likewise, these deviant kids you read about don't summarise the US cause many US kids are doing great. There'll always be the bad ones but a good number of Nigerian kids abroad are doing just fine.

I am not doubting the intelligence of Nigerians but that intelligence is useless if there's no sound education system to harness it. You said it yourself that the government invest much into education thus making them more inventive. Why then send the teen to Africa at the age when he needs that education the most? You don't need to go Africa to learn skills to survive in America. That's just my point.

Tetehjewels:
To each his own. Perhaps you have been profiled several times which is why you have this mindset possibly because you look like a scammer but for my travels I have never seen this perception because my mind isn't wired like yours where I have allowed myself to be brainwashed into accepting a label I am not.

On the contrary I am always out to prove MYSELF to the world and not have them tell me what or who they think I am and I sit there and swallow it.

You have lived in 3 countries while I have travelled to at least 11 by nature of my business and still our intelligence and hard-working nature is what I see being applauded and not what you have been fed with.

Scams are everywhere and worse still in the west where grifters hold sway.

I am a Nigerian and I am not a scammer. Nigerians are hardworking and intelligent and I suppose those Nigerians whom Joe Biden added to his cabinet should have been seen as being out to scam the US government since to you Nigerians are known for scamming.

Lol... by now, you should have known I'm not easily provoked so you can even go ahead and call me a scammer. Where I presently live, any black is just black, no difference, no sentiments. No special treatment for Nigerians against public opinion that we might be treated differently. So no, it's nothing personal.

But this doesn't really mean we both don't know that perception exists. Ask yourself these: why does WES insisted on getting our WAEC certificate before verifying our degree while other countries don't have to supply that? Why did PayPal block the country? Why does Sweeden accept Transcripts from students in some countries but insists it must come from the institutions on Nigeria? Why do remote recruiters shy away from engaging Nigerians? They've got the perception. I don't need to accept. I correct when I can but I don't pretend I don't it exists.

Or are you saying you're ignorant of the perception? Or just want to bury your head in the sand?

Tetehjewels:
Americans are known for scams which are fraudulent schemes. Makes you wonder where the Notorious PONZI SCHEME began if not in America through Charles Ponzi.

Racism is the least of Americas problems. Cons, Drugs, Thug life and Immorality rank tops and not racism.

You should be the one who ought to start by saying that your comment is a misconception about Nigerians and not me because you were the one who made the sweeping comment

Nigerians are known for scamming. There's nothing you'd say out of sentiment that will change the fact that this is an existing perception. You can list the things Americans are known for, it's not in my position to call you a liar. But I've lived in 3 countries (excluding my home country, Nigeria) and I can tell that this is what Nigerians are known for. It's sad but it is what it is. Not everyone agrees Nigerians are scammers but we all know that's how Nigerians perceived.

Sorry but not sorry.

lefulefu:
lets say the truth where it ought to be said biko
some weeks ago i saw one video where yahoo boys where spraying money in one major road in benin city and even elderly ppl where picking the money on the road and praying for the yahoo boys
and someone is saying nigeria holds value
abegi
the only value we hold is our obsessive love for money and materialism

It's funny cause when you call them out, they'd say the whiteman is a greater scammer. First, the white man being a greater scammer doesn't justify anything. Second, our attitude, like the one you described, encourages scamming while the white man works hard to catch and deal with these miscreants. My people.

Klass99:
Now you be sounding like a chauvinist. I no do again

Drop your comments on NL threads and move, don't stay there and be arguing back and forth with people.

And ignore the trolls and rude sadists who engage with bad manners and bad attitude, e dey pain them wella, when they quote you and you ignore.

@bolder, the Nigerian in me took over for a few minutes.

Thanks for the hints!

lefulefu:
In nigeria when u steal or scam u are called a sharp man
We have this culture called smartness and when i say smart it means being criminally minded.if u fair and honest u regarded as a mugu .if person come send im pickin to naija to learn naija methods God help such child if he or she pick such behaviour in being naija smart .At least in the west criminality is encouraged.u steal u do the time.

Lol... you'll be called a racist.

Tetehjewels:
America is known for fraudulent schemes, drugs, immorality and thug life but will you ever hear them describe her this way? Even you would never describe her this way but you would rather describe Nigeria that way.

Your racism toward your own fellow Nigerians is real.

Americans are know for racism. Mexicans are known for drugs. Nigerians are known for scamming.

My Mexican friends don't do drugs. But it's perspective caused by some of their people. They know this. The perspective needs to corrected but you can't do that if you keep denying that such perspective does exist.

You can start by saying "yes, Nigerians are known for this but that's a misconception". That way, the person you're talking to will know you aren't just being blandly defensive.

Tetehjewels:
Again wrong perception and wrong understanding.

Nigeria is the largest black Nation in the world and the leading African country and Western powers know that the only way to fully penetrate Africa is to weaken Nigeria thus the massive de-campaign against Nigeria which you have been brainwashed with

Why do you think that when a Nigerian who happens to be an American citizen, etc commits a crime he is immediately described as a NIGERIAN IMMIGRANT but when he does something note worthy of the press he is described as a citizen of their country?

A lot of African Nationals claim to be Nigerian in the face of crime and this is common knowledge.

Stop joining them to run down your own country. Rather be bold enough to speak well of her if indeed your brainwashing is not yet complete.

Lol... Nigeria is known for scamming.

Whether Nigerians are scammers or not is a different thing. Whether the perception was planted or not is a different thing. But is true that the country is known for scamming as we speak? The answer is Yes. You wouldn't need to to speak well of Nigeria if there was no existing impression to correctly. Why would you be offset when I mention this existing impression? You can argue that's not the reality but that's still what the country is known for despite the works of great Nigerians out there.

There are other countries known for this too.

Klass99:
Mwwaahh

You are a rare, candid and unbiased nairaland male.

You be sounding sane, sensible, considerate and intelligent like moi, come let us get married

Lol... just know that I won't be the one to change diapers.

Tetehjewels:
That is the general mentality of your slave masters which you bought into because they spoon-fed you with it.

Same way they would come here and make documentaries about our jungles only and every other ugly place and spoon-feed their people that Africa is a jungle and we live like monkeys. All just to paint Africa in a bad light

You clearly are blind to the politics at play in the world. They brainwash you into thinking you are the scum of the earth and that you live in a shithole and then dangle their carrot infront of you just to entice you to leave.

They use you to build their countries which is the grand scheme all along..

They say Nigerians are known for Scamming yet these same Western countries welcome you with open arms and because you now live there they hype you and change the narrative to NIGERIANS ARE HARD WORKING.

I wonder where the scamming tag suddenly disappears to in such times?

Well, see it as you may, that's the perception. Nigeria is not the only country in Africa, why point them out? All the scamming crimes out here usually involve one Nigerian at least. I keep defending them but they wouldn't stop. Americans may have high tech scammers but if fate has made it such that our low tech scammers are the ones easily caught and thereby creating a false impression that there are more scammers in Nigeria, I can't deny that the impression isn't there just cause I want to be loyal.

I'd gladly build any nation where I get value for it. You can keep building Nigeria, that's your choice.

ekerintee:
I See some Young Kids Here,Smoking and doing Weed AS early AS 12.Children of nowadays are inquisitive ,u need to give them Close marking .When Parent are too busy and leave their responsibility to teachers,then whatever the teacher teach them ,its what they become .If their teacher teach them ,there is No God ,and you dont Tell them about God ,then they believe there is No God. If their teacher believe that everyone can decide to be Gays and homo and you dont Tell them its against Our culture ,then dont be suprise If they Turn Out gay.thanks for your contribution,i think behaviour of Kids raise differ from country to country.some Kids in Europe dont have opportunities like in canada or America ,some of them are discrimanated in school ,some are told in school they cant make be useful because they are black .If you are too busy to coreect this wrong Things they Tell them,then the child is affected negatively.God bless u

Valid points. But the good thing is the unavailability of choices here. There are Christian schools, catholic schools, etc. So you get to choose the environment you want for your child without subject them to any unnecessary hardening. Africa is a good place but I think kids need to grow up where they'd eventually live.

Tetehjewels:
You are still making the same Mistake. You say Nigerians are known for Scamming as a general statement and then it makes me wonder why same Nigerians are some of the world leaders in Medicine, Science, sports etc.

Can you just stop this and start giving yourself the right Orientation by telling yourself and your kids (if you have any) that you are the best in the world.

Even you a Nigeria from your own comments thus far shows you are even racist to your own people because you got brainwashed by your Western slave masters.

Oga, Nigerians are known for scamming. It may not be our reality, it may be a misconception but that's the general mindset the vast majority of people out there have. I did not start and I do not necessarily agree with. Blame it on those spoiling your name.

Godbpraised:
Oga with all due respect, i stay in Canada i know what happens here in Canada, how can you bring up ur kids in the African way in a place were your kids are trained to call the police as early as 5years.

There's nothing wrong with a kid knowing how to reach for help. That knowledge can come handy at any time. But if you'd be honest with yourself, you'd acknowledge the fact that African kids hardly call police on thier parents. That's becayse whether your child will call the police on you or not is not a function of the fact that they have the training but a function of how you raise your child.

Tetehjewels:
You said NIGERIANS are known for. That is stereotyping

That's not stereotyping. Nigerians are known for scamming. We all know this. That's why we get harassed at the airports, etc. Others may have more scammers but that's not what they're known for.

Tetehjewels:
Then next time you write always indicate that THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION and do not make sweeping comments because of us find this offensive when people use their personal experiences to stereotype everyone else.

Crime is high in the west same with drug abuse and gang life as well as all forms of sexual immorality but to you, you chose to slam Africa because of the low level frauds done here in the face of all the other vices you deliberately shut your eyes to which are happening in the west.

I wasn't stereotyping, read my message again. I can't stereotype myself. I said "are known for". Which means the perception of the vast majority. That's not a lie and that's not stereotyping. Like I said, I wouldn't profile anyone based on where they come from cause we have good people and bad people everywhere. I made that bit known. You're getting unnecessarily emotional. I gave an example of a general perception that contradicts the guy's mindset.

Tetehjewels:
You receive calls because that is the level of tech they know about when it comes to fraud. The real fraudsters are deeply into high-tech fraud and they are in the west.

I respect your POV. But I can only speak based on personal experiences.

Christistruth00:
When I was in Boarding School some of my 12 year old Class mates travelled from Maiduguri , Bauchi , Kano and Kaduna to Ibadan unaccompanied.

Can you try that now without the Child going missing?

How things have changed.

Tetehjewels:
You have been brainwashed. The worst scammers are actually in the western world and not from Africa.

You should have stopped at inventiveness. You are the one joining them to stereotype your Africa because that is the part they have brainwashed you into seeing same way they brainwashed you into seeing all the niceties in the west and not the horrors of their system.

I live in Canada and almost everyday, I receive calls from fraudulent Indians and Africans. So please, I don't need anyone to tell me about the experience I'm living. There's a strong tie between poverty and crime, no sentiments.

Not stereotyping isn't denying statistics or personal experiences. Not stereotyping is just abstaining from profiling everyone based on thier origin.

Thanks.

Godbpraised:
This is my take, i feel that it would be better to bring the child up in Africa at his/her formative ages, once he attains age 17 or 18 years send him back to the West. That way he/she would appreciate what you have done as a father or mother.

Interesting really.

ekerintee:
I stay in Europe and will Tell you that , a child born in Nigeria is smarter than a child born abroad at the Initial Stage of Life .maybe along the Line ,its Reverse .Most africa Parent especially Nigerians are busy running after Money and dont teach their Kids value ,this Kids tend to follow the Western Kids ,badly influenced .This Kids can call Police for their Patents ,they are spoilt Brat.For busy Parent,the best place to train a child is africa .but Parent WHO have time ,abroad May be Beter .This Kids are taught Western culture in school,they are told they have right to call Police ,you cant shout on them when they are wrong ,they Report you to the authorities.unless a Parent WHO have time to train this Kids .They are bound to be Bad Kids,the Life abroad is hard for Most african Parent who are struggling to survive .You Guys May Not Unserstand how busy some people are working 12 hours or more in a day,going Back Home tired .so Tell me how this Kids wont be Bad .in Nigeria ,any Body can coreect or Help u train a child ,but abroad ,No one .so that is my View

I live in Canada and I think African parents don't need to send thier kids home. The parents are African enough for the kids. I appreciate your point nevertheless.

madridguy:
Don't take this too personal bro. Search for the video on YouTube and stop attacking me as if I'm the UK police that told Nigeria women to stop calling them for their husband.

I wasn't attacking. And sorry if that's the impression I gave.

@bolded, you had earlier said "stop kicking thier husbands away" and I was trying to say that doesn't happen as often as it's portrayed. Immigrant women still suffer domestic violence all over the US and hardly speak up despite the laws against it. That's probably due to thier cultural backgrounds.

The police doesn't assume the person that called is automatically the victim. When the police is invited, it's usually to settle the dispute and not to arrest the man. The man is only arrested in the case of domestic violence against the caller (his husband or his wife as the case may be) and the police will never tell women to stop calling for such cases. I'd like to see the video nevertheless. Maybe the police men were tired of being called into minor misunderstandings.

madridguy:
Though I have not been outside Nigeria before but what the Arab cabbie said is absolutely correct. I can remember clearly a thread on this platform where the UK police held a seminar with Nigerian women living in the UK to stop sending their husband away.
Many comments on the thread broke my heart and I can't imagine what Nigerian men are suffering in the hand of their wives simply because they know the law in western countries favor women.
My point is that no way a woman can raise a child alone. On the same thread also, many people shower their praises on Asian women, pointing out how submissive they are despite earning well more than Nigerian women.

It has quickly become a woman thing. Nairaland men always quick to call out the opposite gender at the slightest provocation. Oga, how many of your relatives abroad have been kicked out of thier houses by their wives? How man Nairalanders have been kicked out of thier houses by thier wives? Which law permits a woman to kick out her husband at will? Can you details out how the legal system favours women to men in marriage?

African men find it hard to come to terms with the fact that this is not Africa where they get away with anything. Women and men have equal rights. You don't hit someone and walk away. If you don't want to pay huge alimony in the case of divorce, let your wife work like you do and share the housekeeping with her. Everything is based on the concept of equality. So let's stop "we men are the victims abroad" narrative. The truth is is that we aren't used to the egalitarian system

Klass99:
No way! I suspected you were male but my very biased mind thought, only a woman can make such an intelligent comment

Hahaha! Wow!

I'm actually happy to know Nairaland women still have thier self esteem up there despite the way they are ridiculed onhere by thier male counterparts.

Klass99:
I truly don't know which climate is better for raising kids, but that cabbie's observations was or is food for thought. I like what the person above me (etrange) said particularly in her last sentence

His*

I've had this argument several times. Our pride is all we've got going for us as Africans but we should know when to draw the line. You want to send a child to Africa at his formative age knowing fully well that that's exactly when he needs to be enjoying all the western world has to offer? Foundations are laid in secondary schools, don't let your child miss out on that. Americans are known for inventions while Nigerians are known for scamming. Stereotyping is wrong cause we have both good and bad people everywhere but think about it, are kids really better of in a country like this? I don't think. I think a kid that will be good will be good regardless of where he's raised.

**Edited**
For those (actually one guy) offended by the post above, I wasn't stereotyping. I was only trying to point out a contrary perception. Nigerians are not all scammers even though they're scammers amongst us. Likewise, American kids aren't all spoilt even thought they're spoilt ones amongst them. It's all stereotyping and the point I was making is, if you're running away from a stereotypical America, what about the stereotypical Nigeria?

And for information sake, I don't subscribe to the idea that Nigerians are treated differently in western world. Apart from places where identity is crucial (airports, embassies, etc), a white man sees all blacks as blacks regardless of where you come from (especially in big diverse cities). At least, I've never experienced that. So when I say "Nigerians are known as scammers", it's born out of the disposition of some international organisations like PayPal, WES, etc. towards the country. It's almost like the country has a bad name but the people aren't necessarily sieved out when outside.

It takes two to tango. If you don't start criticising men for their flirtatious lifestyle the way you do women, NOTHING will change. It's ridiculous you guys always hammer women for promiscuity but it's the same you that do it with them. You want to sleep all the girls around you and end up marrying a virgin? Lol

Anyway, as for the couple, Kanye does not owe Kim much alimony since she was also working while they were together. He will, however, be tasked with child support.

[code][/code]If she was really attacked, then anyone supporting the attackers is a sadist and not really different from Bokoharam who try to force their ideologies on others. Why can't people in Africa learn to mind thier business? You don't separate sentiments from logic. You think this is cool cause you don't like Bob but what you don't know is that you're encouraging intolerance. The funny thing is that you guys support it when others are harassed for their personal non criminal choices but will cry a river when it gets to your turn.

On the other hand, if she's just acting this drama for money, then a big shame on her.