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zeestone99:
I won't do 16 lead acids due to the following reasons
They can be prone to failure if not sized and balanced properly.
Lead acids are limited to either C10 or c20
If one battery has issues you will be forced to replace the whole 16.
You have to worry about your battery getting float charge everyday.
You will drain only 50 percent
Occupy space etc

You can try pylontec or other cheaper lifepo4 brands

I am rethinking.

Thanks to this thread and your input.

olopan:
You can have it installed in your compound on a shed for animal or storage room or the most common option of carport

I am beginning to lean towards this instead of a roof install.

Your input is appreciated.

Oshomo12:
Ground mounting, provided u get space, the best way.

I appreciate

samnaija:
If you have a big compound, set it up at ground level or you can build a car port with the panels as the roof.

Thank you

So based on the above discussion on Lithium versus Lead Acid Batteries.

Here are my choices

1. Quanta AGM 12V 200AH x 16
2. Deka AGM 12V 200AH x 16

3. Lithium - which brands do you recommend? I just saw Pylontech mentioned

In fairness to the thread, I have not really read past posts on this issue, I know I will need to do that.

My questions are:

1.Which brands do you recommend and why?
2. What is the difference in cost between 1 and 2 above and the 3 that you recommend.

Thanks.

What are viable alternatives to roof installation of Solar panels?

Just in case I am not willing to reroof the house

Piyke:
Used a friend's bidder and paid the $200 charge.

Thank you

In other words, did you pay the $200 annual bid fee or did you bypass it?

Piyke:
Resuming...

Got this from IAAI. Preferred the site although it has fewer car options (compared to Copart). Auction fees are cheaper, plus virtually all cars have the 360 degree views for both interior & exterior.

Thanks again Kingreign. I remember I sent you a few lots I considered to act as a 2nd eye. Thanks to Gazzuzz too. I know I disturbed you with some lots! Tuale.

Carguide handled the VIN search plus several others that I didn't buy. Eventually, I settled for the run and drive car with 69k original miles .

Did you buy this directly? (I mean by yourself)

Or did you use a third party like Kakakibuy?

Jeff68:
Can one obtain a gun license in Lagos? What is required?

Sorry for the delay in responding.

This link might be of help https://www.nairaland.com/1185510/how-legally-buy-gun-nigeria

My post wasn't just advocating owning guns.

I was advocating that there are several decisions taken at the design stage that make the work of breaking and entry easy, and that the obtuse side of the argument is that several decisions can be taken at the design stage to make the work of breaking and entry more difficult, thus buying the homeowner time to rally defenses.

My post was addressing the issue that even at the design stage it is possible to incorporate security features into the build.

More often than not, security is an afterthought.

I know of a house that has a bunker that the homeowners can retreat to in the event of trouble while calling in reinforcements, that is an example of incorporating security at the design stage and not as a bolt on.

Three examples taken from another domain (the automotive industry) will help illustrate my point.

Example 1: Do you know why bulletproof cars do not have windows that be rolled down?


That is an example of actively sacrificing comfort for security. Building the house with security in mind, might involve making such trade-offs between ease of use on the one hand and increased security of the occupants on the other hand.

They are way too thick and way too heavy to be.

Example 2: Do you know why bulletproof cars have a special cage in from of the radiator?


Because the car can be immobilized by a bullet aimed at the radiator. So what was the point of all that enhanced security is a bullet to the radiator will compromise the security of the car?

Example 3: Do you know why bulletproof car doors are so heavy?


Because the normal door metal easily lets bullets in.

That said, just as bulletproof cars are more expensive, such a house will be more expensive to build.

But you can't have your cake and eat it, if you want more security, you have to spend on it.

One example that is relevant to the construction industry is a wall break detector. Why should you only know you have an intruder when he meets with you in your seating room or bedroom? When wall break detector technology exists? And many of those who have suffered this indignity can very well afford this technology?


I believe I have made my case.

cement/concrete flooring traps heat, how is the information affecting how we build given the heat wave in the European Union and the Americas and the fact global warming affects us here in Nigeria?

earthrealm:
Dont drain ur leadacid battery below 50% , dont leave it always discharged, it likes being charged full daily + dont load or charge it above 15 %, ie not more than 30amps or above 300 watts load for a single 12 volts 200 ah battery.then a good leadacid can give you 800 cycles..

Lithium battery doesnt care for any of the rules above and has 4000 cycles, before loosing 20 percent capacity.

From the above, u can see why leadacid will always disappoint, as its tough to give it what it likes

I appreciate this detailed explanation

GeorgeD1:
i used my former 260ah zenith agm batteries for 8yrs before selling them off. the guy who bought them
thanked me for selling him good, used batteries

Wow, I hope the brand I got the first time is that good.

I want to try another brand for my next setup.

I appreciate this information very much.

Promzy99:
exactly what's on my mind.

in PH, my former place of residence, there use to be this man that had generator plants, which he uses to generate n distribute power to about 5 streets in where PHCN has refused to give them power for almost 2years in PH.

do u knw that one day, PHCN mobilized some force men, troops in trucks. they came bundled the man, disconnected all his supply lines, and whisked away with his about 4-5power generating plants...

that was when I realized that it will be very hard for this country to see forwardness...


Am happy with this Bill. Watch as Power Generation will be a thing of competition and its challenges will be crippled.

I had wanted to set up a 10KVA for myself, maybe I should do 1 megawatt for my estate

earthrealm:
get a 12v 200ah to 280ah lithium battery for about 300k to 400k abd forget about buying battery for the next 10 to 15yrs. or get a 100ah model for less than 200k if funds is a constraint
@valto advertised some units a while ago

What is the average lifespan of the AGM variety? Can it give up to 5 years? If one goes for a quality brand?

rotecch77:
update
-how we met the building
-how we re-designed it
-Progress update

You are doing well

CMC180:
A lot of discussions here centers on building (structure) which understandably is what this thread is originally about. However I'm hoping we could touch a little on safety and security (which could pass as functional aspect of a home) for homeowners. I'm looking forward to learn from contributions by professionals as well as experienced home owners.

Do you mean safety and security in terms of protection from intrusion?

Maybe you should elaborate on your intended direction, so you can receive pointed responses.

Safety and security are rather wide a topic.

While you are at it, let me leave you with this bitesize

If you can afford them, here is another quality wood plug based in Nigeria

dbshaywhy:
Good morning House, my 1 year old deep cycle inverter battery is totally down, as confirmed by a technician yesterday morning...

Am now contemplating either i buy a new generator instead of another inverter battery that won't last more than a year, but still, am considering the economical aspect of the inverter system...

Please, your heartful advice will be highly appreciated.

Two issues:

1. Brand of battery? Please state

2. You will get better responses here: https://www.nairaland.com/390522/solar-energy-complement-fta/1207

olopan:
Go for the luminous, two complain of the schneider not been resolved of same issue with different installers.

Also simba has their service centre in almost every Nigerian capital city unlike schneider

What are the complaints about the Schneider?

MrOkenwa:
I think it's his own way of handling his jobs.
His team are currently on my site.
They finished the work yesterday. All they did today was to clean the entire place.
Full day task. Quite commendable.

Thanks for sharing @MrOkenwa

I am sure you will recommend him over and above anyone else.

I myself will based on your testimony recommend him as the most responsible POP guy I ever heard of.

@bolu1986 if you tell you how much I made by going the extra mile this year, jaws will drop.

If I tell you the circles that I have penetrated by going the extra mile, you would be shocked.

I simply shared priceless business advice.

Deep thinkers will appreciate, shallow thinkers will ignore.

Please keep up the good work.

Differentiation is why Telsa sells fewer vehicles but makes more money per unit than say Honda and Hyundai.

Aventures:
Well said. One way to deal with POP guys is to keep them outside. I advised a client to build a shed for them outside and he was glad he did. It is the period of producing the POP boards that generate most dirt's if you can keep them off then the dirt's is less. The plasterboard also generate little dirt's majorly stains while screeding it . Two challenges with Plaster board is that it is expensive and limited in design there are some designs you can't achieve with plaster board easily. Also the angle profiles always show rust stain until you apply some special paints over and over on those stains. My submission is based on the fact that I have done the two over and over.

My brother thanks for seeing my angle.

There are many ways to do things. You can do them by the book i.e., you paid me to install POP, I am done, you handle the mess, I'm out of here aka just do the POP say nothing about the mess it will make and just go and let the client deal with the mess himself.

Or you can tell the client this is my quote, POP only, no cleaning but this is an alternate quote POP and cleaning. If you take the first, I will not be responsible for cleaning.

While the client has a role to pay, the vendor has a role to play to guide the client who wants POP but does not know the implications of making POP on his property.

We are different I get; we will do things differently.

It is really up to you vendors and your exposure and what circles you wish to play in.

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."
Roger Staubach

"You can start right where you stand and apply the habit of going the extra mile by rendering more service and better service than you are now being paid for."
Napoleon Hill

"If you want to succeed at any job, make yourself invaluable. Go the extra mile; make them never be able to imagine what life without you there would be like."
Ross Mathews

By the way I wasn't dissing POP, I was simply putting all the facts across, so the guy who asked questions can make an informed decision.

AsapKen:
Brand:Toyota
Model: Sienna (Sport)
Year: 2011
Colour: Grey
Price: 5.6m
Transmission : Automatic
Condition: Barely used
Location: lagos
Contact: 08143516977

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bolu1986:
I don't know what you are talking about.. I clean after work.. infact I paid extra for cleaning after work.. so don't generalize it.

And the cost for plaster board is way more than what was quoted above.

I said "As a rule" , so there are exceptions.

Every rule admits exceptions.

If you are an exception, make that a Unique Selling Proposition.


You are aware of the stand of fellow POP installers in the past on this thread.

That position is that they are not paid to clean.

ceaser:
https://www.nairaland.com/7230384/solar-panel-demand-booms-power-deficit#114771209

https://brandspurng.com/2022/07/14/solar-panel-demand-booms-in-power-deficit-nigeria/

Hmmm.

Let's pray the evil masters will not decide to turn this to another tax goldmine.

Wàhálà wà ò.

My thoughts exactly, amendments will be made to the tax code to include this in the next 6 to 12 months.

Just watch out.

Instead of stimulating production which will lead to more taxes in the long run, we are taxing current business more so as to reap more tax in the short term.

topsy23:
What he is trying to say is that POP is cheaper than plasterboard I e

If POP is 6000 per sqm, the plasterboard will like 10,200 per sqm

You will spend more using plasterboard

I agree with you.

But

That is one side of the story.

The other side of the story is that while POP is cheaper, you will spend extra in cleaning up after the POP guys.

So, the cost of POP is incomplete without post-cleanup costs.

As a rule, POP guys don't believe their job includes returning the client's space to the condition it was before they installed the POP

On the other hand, plasterboard is more expensive to install but it does not litter the space the way POP does.

Infact just sweeping the space post-plasterboard installation is enough to return the space to the way it was pre-installation.

So also figure in the time it takes to complete cleanup of the space post POP installation versus the time it takes to compete cleanup of the space post plasterboard installation.

Then you have a complete picture.

NiyiOmoIyunade:
You may be misreading your inverter manual.


In UPS mode, your inverter will allow mains voltage from PHCN or Gen from approx 170v - 275v to pass through to your loads. Also the transfer time in case of mains failure is shorter so that your sensitive equipment e.g computer does not reboot.

It is clear that these basic inverters offer scant protection to your equipment or loads at the voltage levels they allow to pass through - it is always best to install voltage protection at the input side of your inverter and set a threshold between 180v - 248v.

earthrealm:
Its a normal warning on luminous, simba and other low end inverters.
The have a switch at the back normal and ups.
The significant difference in the output between the 2 modes is transfer time <10s3cs for ups and greater than 10s3cs for normal/eco ...

What this means is if you are on nepa and nepa goes, the inverter transfers from pass thru to inverter mode, this transfer takes some time...which sensitive equipment like computer can detect and go off, but the human eye is unable to detect this.

Well-built and Mid to high range inverters usually have ultra short transfer times...so this warning is irrelevant

Just additional notes on the above and for those who want real world reviews of the Homaya 1.5KVA.

Sometimes the transfer is seamless, except for the inverter beeping I would never know they took light.

Sometimes, it is not seamless, because the LED TV will black out and come back on, the sound system may also turn off, and connected lighting may also go off, but since the computers are laptops, they never go off completely.

Speaking from my seven months or so of experience running this thing.

I truly look forward to experiencing the imperceptible transfer times of the high-end specs of inverters

redcliff:
chei. all these blue and red disco lights on the ceiling is someone's meat? Damn!

To add to this debate what would you say about a house that uses Philips Hue bulbs whose light colors can be changed by the owner via its smartphone app?

hisenjos:
Have you considered getting a Deye 8kw inverter.
Specs are much better than the XW and has features that are extra cost on the XW.

Will investigate the brand.

Thanks for the heads-up

mctfopt:
This is a rugged inverter. Cheers.

My brother, I used to see 18 or more hours of grid power.

But this year, things changed.

Alternative power supply is no longer a luxury but a necessity.

I don't want to talk about the fact that buying fuel in jerrycans at petrol stations is now considered a crime but buying the same fuel in jerrycans from black market suppliers on the street is legal activity.

I therefore had no choice but to make alternative power arrangements, and now that I have seen some spare cash, I better improve my alternative power generating capabilities.

Given the way the government and the power companies keep increasing the cost of power, I believe in the end, this project will pay for itself and reduce my dependence on outside sources for a key input for my production.

I am following in your footsteps, and that is why I asked you about your experience a few days ago because I have fallen in love with the brand.

IYGEAL:
Yea, you should. 2KVA will do.

Meanwhile, the AVR needs to be a good one and in good condition because I have seen AVRs pass excess voltage as received.

Thank you very much.

I am in your debt.

IYGEAL:
In the interim, he can deploy appropriately sized AVR between grid and input; or some voltage/current limiting device as alternative - while he source for a better inverter.

If the grid is always normal, you can do without those, but you can't bank on this.

If I didn't ask questions, I would never have known that when you buy the cheaper inverters, that you don't get all the protection of the expensive variants.

I am sure others are learning as well.

When it says 1.5 KVA, does that mean that I have to get an AVR greater in capacity than 1.5 KVA?