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PAGAN 9JA:
it requires research. not just in the myth, but in Yoruba history, events, migrations, etc. and also in the exact version of the myth.

I agree with you here.

Maybe Ghostofsparta will give us the insight

Dinosacraticism

PAGAN 9JA:
I need to interrupt here.

THe Odudua legend like many other Pagan Creation legends, explains only the creation of the particular ethnicity involved. It therefore carries a deeper inner meaning as to the Tribes origins and is not to be taken literally.

In the case of the biblical legends, we must first deign to understand certain things. we cannot treat the two cases in the same and equal manner.

judaism , christianity and islam are all man-made religions. However astonishingly, judaism is much more closer to the Earlier Pagan religions, in terms of structural context.

Why?

because it was the first ever attempt at creating a breakaway-religion going away from the naturally existing order, from the exisiting tribal-ethnic religions. SInce then, the world has seen many such man-made religions and the problems have increased. However that is for another episode.

judaism is therefore also non-proselytyzing.

its Creation myth is a somewhat thoroughly editted version of earlier Canaanite myths and Pagan stories ,etc.

However, the creation stories of christianity and islam, apply to the the entire world population, due to their proselytyzing ways, etc.

SInce judaism and its subsequent successors, they have been going by "THE BOOK".

as mentioned in the QUran as well, these 3 religions are religions of "THE BOOK".

Therefore in these 3 religions, the followers are taught to take the creation stories seriously as GOSPEL TRUTH.

unlike Greek/Hindu, etc. mythologies that also provide entertainment and morals, which was their main-aim (apart from explaining tribal history),

these abrahamic myths have been taught to their followers to accept it as REALITY, without any inner meaning.

this is not normal and it is artificial.

Can you give us the deeper interpretation to Odua creation?

What drugs did you take before sleeping? You hallucinating..... Good to dream, it the brain functioning

A-town:
The oduduwa story is a story that has been passed down generations just like any other biblical story. Their is no authenticity to it. It's simply a question of whether one chooses to believe it or not.

What will you call this passed down stories? Allegory (choose that because ghostofsparta hates the word myth) or what? Ghostsparta could have a deep meaning into this and might explain what it really mean in his own view.


We should respect and shouldn't derail his thread unless he say otherwise though.

Can I ask you something? Do you believe in the story about Odudua came from heaven, created the world and we Yoruba are sons and daughter of odua?

Well it could means something deep which I will like to know.

Erm, dont let me derail this thread, we can discuss this through emails.....I will send you PM

Lol. Satan is a great Lord.

I trashed religion when I found out it a tool which can be use to destroy itself.

You think Deeper life is the right church, please worship with Jehovah witness and your live wont remain the same. You thing Jehovah witness is right, please move with catholic and see the flaws in JW. You think celestial is right, please visit C/S zion church and get flaws in cele.

The more you seek, the more you find flaws. Stick to your brain bro

Beretta92: @folykaze,maybe you're only atheist with respect to anthropomorphic gods(am also atheist wrt such gods,einstein was too);yet if in your spirituality you're certain that gods exist in whatever form,then you aren't atheist in the true or complete sense of the word.

See can you do away with this grammar? No con break my head abeg. English won dey become problem for me here. I feel like typing and communicating in yoruba. Thats my language but there is one spambot that banned me last time I tried to write in yoruba with ami n.


There is no where you push me, you will agree im atheist but will still want to deny it....pinning me to erm your views.

Which God are you still looking for again? I am a God....you are a God. The stone, fish, river, wind, hills, fire, strength, forces and everything in nature is God. Maybe the term God as you look at the from religious angle is the problem. Move away from religion.....lot of things are twisted, corrupted and misapplied. Religion will tell you idolation is bad but non of this religious folks see that money is an idol. Religion will tell you worshipping any other thing apart from God is wrong but none of religious folks know that praising Ronaldo is also worshipping. If I lie make you jaro mi.

bolaino: hahahaha, hailings bros, bros make I come join u, but ogun go fit give person money if he go fit lemme know ooo, make I run come meet u. Lol

Ogun will give you money.....but you need to understand that Ogun is not humanlike monster depicted in religion. Ogun is the owner of wealth, strength and justice

Except of Oriki Ogun from Odu Ogunda Meji in Ifa

OGUN AWO. OLUMAKI, ALASE A JUBA

OGUN NI JO TI MA LANA LATI ODE

OGUN ONIRE, ONILE KANGUN-DANGUN ODE ORUN EGBE LEHIN

PA SAN BO PON AO LANA

IMO KIMO BORA EGBE LEHIN A NLE A BENGE OLOGBE

Translation

SPIRIT OF THE MYSTER OF IRON, CHIEF OF STRENGTH

SPIRIT OF IRON DANCES OUTSIDE TO OPEN THE ROAD

SPIRIT OF IRON, OWNER OF GOOD FORTUNE, OWNER OF MANHOUSE IN HEAVEN HELP THOSE WHO JOURNEY

TO REMOVE THE OBSTRUCTIONS FROM OUR PATH

WISDOM OF THE WARRIOR SPIRIT, GUIDE US THROUGH OUR SPIRITUAL JOURNEY WITH STRENGTH
ASE ASE ASESE-O

OGUN is primal energy, Energy (cant be created nor destroyed) is God, God is energy. Ogun is the force within your computer. Ogun is technology. Ogun is the force of gravity, the force of attraction. Ogun represents the tools that shape man, bringing out a person's potential, enhancing one's life. Ogun controls life and death. Ogun is our heart beat and the final contraction during birth. Ogun is auto accidents and gun wounds. Ogun is the warrior, hunter and farmer. Ogun is the God of loyalty and life-long friendships. Ogun is the master of secrets, skills, crafts, professions and creations. Ogun is the Orisa of barbers, doctors, butchers, etc., any occupation that uses knives or blades, or iron tools. Ogun cut a path through the bush. Ogun provides the tools which are essential to creating civilization. Ogun is evolutionary energy. It is technology. Like all the Orisa, Ogun has two opposing attributes which seem in conflict, but are actually two sides of the same coin (create and destroy). Seeing Ogun as a humanlike-God depicted in myths and religion is wrong.

Ermm, we are really different when viewing things. This is the greatest reason I wont agree with some atheist here like logicboy who lash insult on traditional belief, call it whole lot of sh1t and think it just crap. He lacks understanding about traditional belief or perhaps see it from western view (the corrupt, demonized and shred piece of sh1t from blacks). Looking at Ooman, he doesn't not know, he skeptical, doesn't discriminate or lash words but wish to study more and really appreciate traditon. I have seen where he said he wants to study ifa but wont accept myths attributed to it. Im judging from my observation here though.


Huh.....I don become babalawo. Lol. Im Yoruba and should know much more about yoruba belief. The reason I want to venture more in it.

The force is in you, creativity, strength, health and tools............get yourself into any work, earn your money and become bless. Ogun ti fun ni owo ni yen o..... It not double double magic tithe pastors are spreading here. It work with the force and earn at the expanse of your strength, mental and oppourtunity combination. Ire oo

musKeeto: OP IS A MUSLIM AND SHOULD BE IGNORED!!!

Hey muskeeto, How are you doing bro?

Hohoho

You think satan is a creature with black skin, horn, tail, wing and iron rod? Lol

You are a satan.....meaning adversary.

How come people dont even understand their religion anymore? Brainwashing

Beretta92: @folykaze,with all you've said on this thread,i doubt you're an atheist.What ever makes you believe those experiences of yours are evidences of the paranormal,should also make you examine paranormal claims of other religions.Maybe you're just anti-foreign religious like pagan naija.

I don die. Anyway im still an atheist. I dont do religion. It scam. Africa doesn't have religion.....we have spirituality, philosophy and realism according to my understanding.

Let me show you reason im still an atheist....
Theism according to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=theism is Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world. why atheism means a (rejection or opposite) + theism. I dont believe in God the creator of world, the ruler and maker of world, the humanic nature God (laugh, angry, walk, talk, live, die, sit, rest and depicted with human character), omnis and other religious attribute this being can have. It lie and product of mind.

Though...I agree with some people here that says God is the totality of force and energy in the universe. It mean you, I and other things in the nature are God. Also if by saying God, you could mean admiration, respect and thing thats due for honour.....like I will say, fela is my god/deity. I dont worship fela but love, admire, and honour his concept, philosophy, and style of life. I see fela as God but not as creator of the world or ruler of the world. Im not bowing down to his image or calling on people to worship him. I just admire his ways and that made him my God.

We know the world now is a slam between science and spirituality (religion). Please understand that religion is different from spirituality and is not even necessarily affiliated with religion. And also take away the corrupt depiction of spirit as one walking monster that kills, talk, destroy or deliver message from you mind. People are programmed to belive that science oppose spirituality and/or one is truth, reality and fact and other is false, delusion and myth. Well I see science and spirituality are two sides of a coin.

This is exactly what spirituality is.

The idea of a process or journey of self-discovery and of learning not only who you are, but who you want to be.

The challenge of reaching beyond your current limits. This can include keeping an open mind, questioning current beliefs, or trying to better understand others' beliefs.

A connectedness to yourself and to others. Spirituality is personal, but it is also rooted in being connected with others and with the world around you. This connection can facilitate you finding "your place in the world."

Meaning, purpose, and direction. Spirituality, while it doesn't necessarily solve or reach conclusions, often embraces the concept of searching and moving forward in the direction of meaning, purpose, and direction for your life.

http://swc.osu.edu/about-us/spirituality/

Haha, the buddhist, jain and Ifa practitioners are spiritual but I think religion has stolen, taken over and corrupt this beliefs. But if we are going to say, buddhist are atheist, jains are atheist so also the ifa practitioners are atheist but as well agree that religion fanatism has taken over.


Now to explain what I mean by paranormal. When you see a body of water and feel it temperature with your hand it wil be normally cool but when you feel hot or warm temperature, isn't that going beyond normal? I dont know anything about except what your username and post on nairaland which is my normal understanding of things im in contact and aware of.....but when I brief and give details of things I have not come in contact with or aware of.....will you call it normal? Paranormal to me is I cant explain how, why or way but I know this things happen. So to better put, I dont subscribe to supernaturals......everything I see in nature is super. We need to continue question and answering those we know.

I dont hate foreign religion. I love jesus christ teaching like love, charity and respect for authorities (paying tax, respect national orders and patriotism) but hate christianity concept of exploiting, forcing of believe on others throat, spreading of lies, slapping witch, looking down on other religion as doom.....etc. Like pagan9ja will always say....if you believe in his or her gods, you worship with him but if you dont believe in his gods, you dine with him. I celebrate christmas with christian friends and sometime visit church on friend's invitation.

@ ghostofsparta

Morning man. You should get my point clearly about revealing secrets. Im not saying African trado-scientist shouldn't develop what they had but the point im making here is also the one you enlisted about esoteric knowledge and reason why the ancestors who own this knowledge never make it public. There is nothing wrong if we prove to ourselves what we own. It not wrong if we equipped our security with Odeshi. It not wrong if we swear oath of agreement with idols like sango or Ogun. It not wrong if national holiday is separated for African tradition. It not wrong if the nation have specific shrine. Pagan is universal and not like Abrahamic religion that contradict each other. We need to prove this thing within ourselves, modernize it, upgrade it to internation standard and protect it from getting into the hand of enemies. The westerners are enemy and are ready to destroy everything. The white house today is known, seen and can be visit but you cant ask from the secret layout of the white building from Obama. Even though some member of his family, friends and co-administrator wont know this secret layout which the public is not aware of but only just some people. But I believe there is because of enemy, invaders and anti-camps which will work whole year to get hand on this.......it cant happen. We have Agbo and it working big time. We can develop this, not revealing it secret to outsider is not necessary. At a point in time, I watch my dad preparing Agbo, I thought ya I know it now and tried to do it for myself. But not knowing there are still some incantation and Ase i need to collect before I can make this things work for me. If im enemy or invader, I can just pick it up from dad, develop it and take the pride. No matter how you build motor engines today, the respect wont come as a whole to you but the primary maker where you get your own source from. Such is what im saying. I think you understand?


I respect knowledge, desire to acquire more...reason im here and tend to correction at anytime.
We should understand that God/god, deity and Idol is the same. You have used Deity to represent Ogun in your write up. I just laugh and say well, we see things from different angle but we are stil heading to the direction. God does not necessarily mean supernatural force, that is hungry for worship and who creates the world. That was the reason I used humanlike myth in my previous post. Energy is God, God is energy. Since God is Energy, it therefore means God can not be destroyed but converted from one form to another. Therefore Energy is God. Since Energy can be converted from one form to another, it there for means, that the totality of all that there is in the universe is called GOD.
God means all that there is, including you and I. It nature and everything in nature. The great reason our ancestors admire, respect and honour everything in nature be it tree, animal, wind, water etc. So, do not look out there to God, you are a part of it. You should get me right. I need to buttress on Ogun from my angle of understanding.
OGUN is primal energy. Ogun is that force of nature that keeps matter in motion. Once god gives a being life, it is Ogun who sustains that organism. Ogun is the sustainment of life. Without Ogun, the universe, as we know it, would not exist. It controls one quarter of the universe and although it cannot exist of itself, it is so important in the scheme of things, that all of the ORISHA are dependent on him for their existence. Ogun is one of the oldest of Orisa in the Yoruba pantheon. Ogun is the God/Energy of War and things use in War, Energy and Metal/Iron. Ogun keeps matter in motion. Ogun is the sustainer of life. Ogun lives in the knife, and with it, clears a path for man. Ogun is the force within your computer. Ogun is technology. Ogun is the force of gravity, the force of attraction. Ogun represents the tools that shape man, bringing out a person's potential, enhancing one's life. Ogun controls life and death. Ogun is our heart beat, it in the blood stream as 'iron' and the final contraction during birth. Ogun is auto accidents and gun wounds. Ogun is the warrior, hunter and farmer. Ogun is the God of loyalty and life-long friendships. Ogun is the master of secrets, skills, crafts, professions and creations. Ogun is the Orisa of barbers, doctors, butchers, etc., any occupation that uses knives or blades, or iron tools. Ogun cut a path through the bush. Ogun provides the tools which are essential to creating civilization. Ogun is evolutionary energy. It is technology. Like all the Orisa, Ogun has two opposing attributes which seem in conflict, but are actually two sides of the same coin (create and destroy). Seeing Ogun as a humanlike-God depicted in myths and religion is wrong. It is an eternal force. I see this could be what you me but if it contradict your view Im open to correction here though

bolaino: Where everybody @?

I need to worship my Ori, Ogun, Sango and other forces holding the universe. Hmmmm morning.....im here

A-town:
@FOLYKAZE

At the end of the day, i blame our people. If this thing is real, they should stop hiding it in secrecy. Maybe 20years ago when there was no technological means of capturing it, yeah, but not nowadays when we have MEGA HD CAMERAS available for all to see. I will be the first to swallow my pride/shame if VIDEO proof is produced. As a matter of fact, i will stop "yabbing" people on nairaland sef. Erm , actually, don't hold me accountable for that last part because i may fall ill if i don't yab.

You wake my ginger tonight. Nairaland is becoming boring but at least, I read some of your post and laugh. It good to have your type.

Erm....Coca cola recipe is secret today abi I lie? Secrecy aid survival of life. It strength of business development and the stronghold of every society is embedded with secret.

You are educated and have travelled to far distant. African has philosophy, esoteric knowledge, realism and insight about nature. Religion has taken over all these things. Religion branded African truism with myth, fable and lies. The other societies plagiarized what belonged to us and take the pride for themselves. I logged my whole time this evening explaining concept of Ogun....the god of iron to a friend. She was felt fvck up when she realise I believe in Ogun as an Atheist. Some think Ogun is humanbeing like the myth attributed with it. But to my knowledge, it force....energy. It iron/metal in blood, electrical magnet, gravity and verse of every singularity of nature. Lol... In with my sense The fact is this force (ogun) exist but the humanic myth is the delusion people are drunk with.

If we want Africa to change positively, not been oppressed, and stop this continual exploitation, we must complete the gridlock, link the puzzle and unveil the secrets the invaders has not known but are here. Ghostofsparta is a true African son. He has taken the move for the change. I have prepared to prove some stuff to another nairalander and we both agree to prove the video. If it comes out to be fact, we make something tangible and useful out of it but not revealing secrets to the world. Lets display it not revealing the secret. when it proven as fact, you, me and others will take over and modernize things. And if it fails, we can refresh our oppourtunities and take myth in any ramification away from our system.


My finger aching, my brain is boiling....hey. Na till tomorrow abeg. Cheers bro

kwangi: Another problem I have with those who deride Africans and African Advanced science here is that when these oyibo peeps make their claims of achieving one feat or the other, none of these same people bother to shout "it's a lie", "ignorant people".
They just swallow everything hook, line and sinker. Let me ask, is there a way to verify all those claims except what the "scientists" tell you in their jargon filled fancy magazines and pictures which are only what they are, fvcking pictures.

These guys control the media and they can make you believe anything!
They went to the moon? Yeah right...

My point is, it's easier to believe the white man with all their 'scientific' lies because most of us have been programmed to do so.

You got some points there. Most of us are brainwashed and the real conquering seeds (self hatred, division, branding realism with myth, destruction of concepts etc) are manifesting in our system. The only reason why Africa is "far behind" is because of Colonialism, Neocolonialism, forcing rival tribes to live with one another in a concept and planting division seeds on our soil.

An African was rejected when he claimed he can cure AIDs with herb and concortion by WHO. It is a grand fact that first successful CS operation was carried out in Africa by Africans. Africa still have surviving cave paintings from over ten thousand years ago depicting solar systems western only discovered in the last century. The egyptian pyramid, nok art and the benin bronze design is a indication of ancient knowledge and civilization. They denied this and all but we personally wont appreciate them or throw it out through the window. The thing is, African history, except for the parts about recent colonization, is never taught in any schools except fabricated ones we taught in history class which I think was passed by europeans. This perpetrates the stereotype that Africans have done nothing but become enslaved, poor, and in war.

Local herbs is a great potential to believe African have brain. No measures of treeback, no lab for testing and verification and nothing like diagnosis of patient but this thing work till today. If only we can dig out this knowledge from those it passed down to....if only we can expande on what we have and start believing in ourselves, Africa will wake up and shine brighter than any continent in the world.

What ever anybody follows either mind illusion or reality or nothingness, in as much it favors and make them feel good, they are good to go.


This is an except of whom God is.

God is a plural legion of higher intelligence that are not necessarily outside us but a part of the matrix of energy, the brightest amongst us assume esoteric mandate to join the legion of GOD.
In the begining was the word (audio-sound energy), and the word was God: Energy is God, God is energy.
Since God is Energy, it therefore means God can not be destroyed but converted from one form to another. Therefore Energy is God.
Since Energy can be converted from one form to another, it there for means, that the totality of all that there is in the multiverses is called GOD.
God means all that there is, including you and I. So, do not look out there to God, you are a part of it. Little wonder the bible says, Ye are Gods and children of most high. Meaning you are the microcosm of the whole.

^^^I curb this from a nairalander name Billionaire. He explained everything about God there.

The mistake theist make arose when attributing sex and human nature (laugh, angry, talking, thinking, walking, fighting, hatred, etc) to God. Some will say God is masculine and believe he is humanlike. This is work of mind in action.

Everything in nature is God. Stone, Animal, water, trees, magnetic force, energies....everything is God. My body is God in the sense of functionality of each of it. I see the reason some respect and honour head, some breast, some private part and among yoruba traditionalist, they honour toes. Some people are my God and im God to others. The totality of the universe can be said to be the GOD.

Now that according to my view, God is defined. I can say that God favors me. I have benefitted from the things im exposed to. I enjoy nature, cool breeze and really amaze I got the chance of consciousness and awareness within this short period which I couldn't billions of years ago.

GOD (NATURE AND TOTALITY OF THINGS IN IT) IS GOOD, SOME TIME AND BAD SOME TIME. It is what it is.......I define good or bad to my understanding. Nature is ever good.

@ A-town Even though I didn't accept most of your post, I agree with you.

The truth here is African are too superstitious. Somethings might be truth but some attract fable to their point for making them sound interesting. I dont believe someone can disappear from lagos and appear in kano. Lol. Yes thats kind of tale our people lift around. It could be truth that the person varnish or do some things to make people not seeing him in defense or something. It could also be that the person used Afeeri and Akanako at once for escaping enemy attack or defeat.
When a riot happened in my school, I dont know who called my parents or how they know about it. Very early in the following day, my mum called and asked 'is it true say dem don kill plenty people? Abeg dey come house....' mean why, it was just one person that died and students violently attacked the school management because the health clinic didn't respond to the victim immediately he was delivered to them. If another person pick it up from my mum, the person will say ha, dem don kill student finish or in the future tell maybe friend or child seeking admission to my school by telling them no be that school wey dem dey kill student you dey go?. As if killing is everyday work there. Also if you ask anybody if they want posting to the northern area for service, they will surely say the area is insecure not minding if Niger, sokoto and other part in the north is peaceful. There is fact and there is exaggeration and in exaggerations, there is grounded truth. Thats Africa for you. The only thing I know is that the fact of today hurled from fable.

Erm we learn everyday. We cant just throw anything we have not witnessed or came across as false. Also we cant because we dont know how thing happen or it process it happen then call it supernatural. Everything in nature is super....that what I know. Which ever way, we should investigate things to the end before judging. I appreciate your courage for accepting the challenge with Ghostofsparta. You guys can verify things and show us outcome, video and picture at the end.

Cheers

A-town:
P.S my abuse is directed at the lieing ancestors oo before one folake will come and misinterprete everything now and claim i'm abusing ghostsparta

LOL

Waiting I do you self? I collect your wife? O de fimilorun sile.

We Africans are really making a big mistake. Those uneducated build up on mythology and creates fairy-tale to make a stand know but cant explain whilie those educated makes their version of mistake by putting on white supremacy hat and disbelief in anything that happens back at home. A-town, you and other educated Africans fall in the second senerio.

Im an Atheist. I dont believe in God/deity creating world, the Masculine supernatural being and religion. My African-american friend was the person that make me have interest in Ifa and African philosophy. Though I study little about Ifa and was further expose to stuff which you or other educated folks cant explain. I dont call things supernatural, but prefer natural wonders or better put, everything in nature is super.

Like Ghostofsparta explained, invaders came because they got in through some of our fathers. You cant deny that we have greedy, wicked and self concerned people in Africa. Slaves were sold to invaders by our greedy fathers. From the information I got from history, Yoruba was never invaded if not after kiriji war and the bashorun saga. This point should tell you that we ourselves are our enemy. It like say I want to invade your family compound....i can allie with your daughter or sister, marry her, through that get access to the family, makes her enemy of the family and here the violence come......with the tool, dividing I conquer.

Erm we have bad person not bad people/land. In a land, we can have good and bad people but that wont make you connote everybody on the land as bad. Wonni omo ti ko gboran ni ko oran ati oro ba baba ati iya e.


Ghostofsparta has claimed he saw and experienced Egun walking on water. I haven't seen such but I cant throw it out as false because im yet to witness it. When I does, I can investigate if it false or true. Those folks you listed walking on water...even I have a video of chris angel walking on the water but it trick and has been disproved. Fine, Egun has walked and some people has saw this.......why cant you investigate it if it true or false rather than disputing it here?

From personal experience, I have seen stuff that worth been called supernatural like Bullet proof juju, Atagba, water in basket, Magun and others. I know it does happen right but how this things happen is not an answer anybody should expect from me. If you have the chance tool, look beyond what you see, seek for answers where expected. Come to Nigeria when you free and visit any trado-scientist in their workshop. Confirm things with all your cameras and knowledgeable pals that can disprove it.

Ghostofsparta has raised the challenge, it up to anybody to pick it and disprove him. One fact I know is that I cant control what you know and what you dont know. We can only share knowledge and educate ourselves on what we know. You cant tell me what I know and which you haven't experienced is wrong until you know it and disprove me. It up to you or anybody on this thread to pick ghostofsparta challenges.....arguing wont change any stances here.

We can discuss many things without throwing insults. Im sorry you get me wrong when I said claiming a stand is wrong because of a video isn't right when personal you have not experienced/know about it. Im also sorry for any insult I throw. We be human and play by emotion sometimes.


Cheers bro

Yet there is nothing like upgrading in the bible......shebi na that curled hair pastor? Mtchewwww. Thief-wagon

frederal: He can sack Ola Okelola and replace him with the hacker. Lol

And you call yourself christian? You be enemy of progress. Im not sure successful people in your family

hunter2,1:
i guess they are taken him to SSS or NIA headquarters. that guy should be ready for serious interrogation

Sometime Interrogation is good and highly needed but at sometime, it just waste of time. Why cant they blindfold him and throw him off to the ground when the jet is 150miles above ground? All this court na waste of time

ACM10: This thread is useless without pictures

I think you know the way to Osun state? Just come clean, your state governor is not performing like him. Picture ko, picture ni

Biodup: The point is that ameachi and his wife refused pay her condolence visit in abuja. Politics aside the 1st lady deserved ameachi visit. Aja oni aku.

Bros you are a complete dull boy

So because PEJ mother died means the River state governor, the executive officers and civil servants should team straight to Abuja for condolence? The first lady is not an official or executive duty.

If she like, let her not bury her mother because Amaechi didn't pay her condolence. I wonder if you wont insult Amaechi for leaving his office for some non-official condolence. Letter, telephone call and sending representatives is ok

Uyi Iredia: Actually, I have seen a trance. It isn't a claim, it is a fact logicboy didn't witness.

You have seen a trance and believe it because you either personally experienced it or you have someone that convincingly experienced it. Now Logicboy throw will throw your points through the window because it trance is alien to him and he didn't experience it.

I got the same ball here, trance is supernatural stands to logicboy but it normal and happens to you because you experienced it one way or the other. But where are we, you throw my claims out of the window either because you have not experience it or you just want to deny it.


KARMA INDEED IS A BI.TCH. We got the same balls here

@ Uyi Iredia

I didn't claim in any of my post that those reaction I witnessed was from supernatural sources. I only said I dont know how and why but know and witnessed it happens. I see no reason you will tag my knowing as superstitious.


I didn't claim we dont have warm spring in other places in the world. My main point there was that I went there, saw it, touch it with my hand and have known that something of such exist. I dont care about how it came there for now or what makes it hot. I didn't ascribe it to any supernatural but from my experience through other spring I have visited in my area, they are all cool except that in Ikogosi. When I was on the Idanre hill, I saw springs and swim in some but are all cool. Yes from what I read about warm spring, it caused by heat beneat the water.....the reason I said nature is super enough and everything in nature is wonderful/amazing. What I normally know is spring are cool but when I found hot or warm spring, it become paranormal to me.


Heya, we live different environment. I have not experienced any witch flying in the night but I have seen cases of people confessing. Im from Ikale community in Ondo state. There is something called Imole here. It is spiritual force though. I have not seen it strucking people who do evil down but I can boldly say I have some cases of confessing and claiming to be witch. Either they fly or not, I dont know. I had report of more than three but saw one of them confessing in the public.
Like I was told by those that give answers to my question, I deduced that when a witch is operating within the range or vicinity where this Imole is and the witch do something evil, the spirit will struck the witch and from then on, the witch start having sickness of different versions. Even though he/she is fat, within three or four days, he/she will lean to bone. And there is ground for the witch to confess his/her bad deed in public and to those harmed by the him/her or die within seven days. Spirits, I dont believe because it is connected with lies and tales but if it called energies, im good with that. How the Imole spirit struck witch, I dont know. If what the witch confessing in the public is truth or false, I dont know but there are pointers to it be truth. All I know is a lean man, confessing in the public and/or die within days. Like you said, you can research on it. Play your ball in way you good with.


LOL. I do anything that comes my way. I have tried some babalawo and they failed. This happened mostly when cases of stealing occur to my neighbourhood. Anywhere them go, I go follow and see things. The babalawo must first show us he is able to prove whom the thief is. We the #teamobserver and #team jungle lawyer and justice will test him by hiding any substance within ourselves for the baba to prove who hold the substance. Some babalawo fails and some success. We have some white garment pastors doing this too. Also, be it pastor, prophet, Alfa or lemamu....this is the only thing in my environment. I test anything that come my way.

Now to answer your question, if the prophet pass my test, he worth believing not serving. The same way I will believe in intelligent guessing and accurate prediction of the FBI. Doesn't matter if I can explain how they do it....all I can say is that they pass my test.


Are you kidding me? Please google composition of Opa Eyin.....it a local herb or google the testimony from people that use or witness Afaatoo. Do we not have those herbs in our street? Are people not using it like normal western medicine and working for them? Like my friends will say, when your gal is around, go sack jedi. Do we have composition of jedi on the internet?

Read about Osanyin here http://www.originalbotanica.com/osanyin-p-26236.html
and here http://brotherpeacemaker./2007/09/08/my-fifth-night-with-osanyin/
or read the abstract here http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/4514/
You can download full write up about it here http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/4514/1/4514_1978.pdf?UkUDh:CyT

But there is one thing I want you to know, dont end your research on reading from stuff on the internet. Personal contact and witness is more essential and more convincing. Also, yoruba people are know with myth but this doesn't change the fact that they have some iota of truth. Like my dear pal will say, fact originate from fable.


I have witnessed bulletproof jujul. Isakaba boys are only known to me through movie. But bros, Odechi, I have witnessed it before and ready to proof it to you.

jayriginal: I have no idea.



Im going by the way you reacted to it. Do you throw up when you swallow eba?

What kind of question is this? I throw up after eaten this treeback not after swallowing eba. Lol

And the vomiting stopped after taking the palm oil your so called antidote

jayriginal: I have no idea what that thing is but from your reaction you ingested something that is not good for you and you were given palm oil as an antidote. Your own words.

So when it in the water, it good for me right?

Yeah? Michelle Lotito ate an airplane and he didnt complain and he died of natural causes.

Whats my problem with Michelle? This is treeback not plane

jayriginal: As in eh, this chap is something else. He consumed poison yet he thinks there is something spiritual to it. He even wrote that his father gave him palm oil to drink. PALM OIL! If that doesnt point out the problem, then nothing will. (He called it red oil though). Hilariously, he didnt tell us if he "had a witch".


For anyone who doesnt get it, palm oil is often used as a way of neutralizing ingested toxins.

Lol I didn't tell you if im a witch. Which kind mentality this so called educated people dey get sometime?

Epo obo is not poison. Dont be this si.... Some people put it in their jug and drink water from the jug. Nobodies die or complain after drinking the water.

Uyi Iredia: I was just alluding to atheists who have/have had superstitious beliefs, in particular New Age stuff.

Im still in the middle with what you called superstitious beliefs. Is it knowing something without understanding the basis of how and why it happened or what exactly is it you mean by superstitious beliefs here?

Read well. I never said you brought up spirits so I didn't put anything in your mouth. I was saying that you should apply science-based skepticism/reasoning to the encounters you shared. This is why some people disbelieve in the supernatural, if you've read The God Delusion you'll note how Dawkins accounted for an event a person could have attributed to a spirit.

I wont dispute your points here but there are stuff at present you dont know how it happen but it does happened. Maybe you can take a trip to Ikogosi Ekiti and inspect what makes a specific spring there warm. Haha, Im not saying you should believe it supernatural as I didn't claim it supernatural. We know spring water is cool in normal sense, but warm of it becomes paranormal. You can come here to tell me it weather or some burners are under the spring water. I have to wait maybe you will nail me here, best of luck.

I think your first encounter is possibly explained by your body not used to the fruit, the reactions you describe could be a result of chemicals in the fruit.

I didn't say it not chemical. All I said was I dont know how it really happens. I told my dad everything but he didn't say anything. And this knowledge is not something that started around 2006, it has been from the olden days where knowledge of chemical is not known. Also, you didn't show me if my teacher was right when he stated that any witch that taste the treeback will confess or mention the chemical from treeback that makes person confess.

Your second event is quite baffling. Are you sure the entire book was blank ? Maybe the thing blank as per say Orunmila sabi say you no go worship Eledumare As for being wrong, I won't put it that way. I'll put it as funny you say you believe in such since you are an atheist.

Again you are pinning my head on believe.....cant you differentiate it from knowing? I know very little about ifa divination and it processes. This is some of the things I acquired from mixing with people. Let me give you an illustration, when a babalawo wants to do some divination, some use ikin or Opele. Opele has eight seeds divides into two. Each seed also has a face and back. When the babalawo greets ifa, he give the opele to divine seeker to ask any question from their mind. This time if you are the divine seeker, you dont need grammers or words of your mouth there, just speak what ever in your mind silently to the oracle. The babalawo hit the Oracle on the plain ground. If the seeds by the left shows open face and the right shows open face, it is Odu Ejiogbe. And if it shows closed face in the left and closed in the right side, it is Odu Oyeku meji. But the ish here is that how the babalawo knows the exact thing you didn't speak verbally but in your mind. Last time I check, those seed dont have recorder or mind reading programmes embedded in it. The babalawo will reveal details of things as if he was there. Normal thing is if you were there when it happened or else, you cant speak about things you dont know. Abi I lie? This is what I want to do. I got a book that explain in details about ifa divination with some many incantations but I can reveal anything or see anything of the past like the babalawo does

Okay. You see fact in it.

Now why would you want a skeptic to find merit in the stories you shared ? Is it testable and repeatable ? Especially the Ifa one. I have played the skeptic and suggested an explanation for the first.

It is testable, repeatable and easily verified. This is things I have done but not everything can be posted here. This is why we are human, we can make research and acquire more knowledge about things. Kindly research on OSANYIN if you are close to any babalawo. It speaks like the yet expected or dreamed sixth generation computer. It has artificial intelligence but it just a piece of wood statue. It got no wiring or speaker but converse with divination seekers directly. How it happens, I dont know. But you get hand on one and use some screw drivers and other electric applicance looking for what not necessary.

As for the bulletproof ish I will only shoot if an affidavit is signed by the bullet-proof charm wearer that if he forfeits his life it's his fault. When you reply I will share an experience of mine.

When research on brain started by the so called scientist, were human used or animal? Whats wrong with using animal? You dont even shoot any part of the body like hand or leg which will only cause injury if it failed but you like aiming head. Is that how to do research?