₦airaland Forum

4llerbuntu:
you folks are missing the point.
the scam in nigeria is not merely the prices, its the total package itself, Qos especially.

when you say u pay 24 dollars or pounds for broadband abroad, u need to realise 95% internet users in nigeris have never seen broadband speed in their lives yet they pay more than u do.
i stand to be corrected but the highest speed in nigeria is 3g which is just being introduced by a few like swift. hitherto we have peeps like mtn with 384 kbps SHARED. thus when a naija guy creams his pants over speed he probably just clocked 150 kbps for ten secs.

add this to 50 percent downtime, you begin to get the picture. so wen we complain about the prices etc, PLS STOP DEMONSTRATING your MUMU BY TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT.

there is no excuse for selling people third rate internet at first rate prices.

oh and i forgot, data caps, time limits. like that fellow proudly advertising his starcomms 6500, he forgot to add he has just 100 hrs usage. thats about 4 days 24/7 usage. so u can be sure he rations his time in the net.
and the 16k glo plan is limited to 18gb of data, u dare not stream.

anyway, believe it or not, internet is still regarded as a luxury hereabouts. pity

denzel2009:
Do not hate. . . .

https://i53.tinypic.com/2le6lpk.jpg

ekt_bear:
From my understanding, to construct each of the Red and Blue lines costs roughly $1.5 billion or so. Lagos State seems to be the one bearing the costs of this.

Then the concessionaires are responsible for buying the rolling stock (i.e., the railcars) and several other things and maintaining over a 25 year period. So these cars being inspected in Toronto, I guess the concessionaire will buy?

I'm not quite sure how Lagos is financing the construction. Their contractor is CCECC, but I never heard about them borrowing money for the project. . . yet I'd also be surprised if they are just paying for it straight up out of revenue.

Eko Ile:
It is an eye sore to you because you are obviously myopic.


Eko Atlantic is 100% private and has nothing to do with Lagos state, they have there own separate transportation system to go with whatever they are doing over there, but hey, ignorance is the new cool on NL.

lastpage:
After reading the 10pages of this thread, l have observed a few things.

1)Fashola should be applauded for even having the vision to "attempt" to give us Light Rail system in Lagos.
What are his likes in other states doing with their state allocations? Three Gbosa for BRF.

2.) Looking at the "trains" BRF is inspecting (in those NYSC Boots! ), the TRUTH is that they are VERY< VERY OLD FASHIONED. In fact, someone provided a link on page one (skyscrapper.com or so) which shows that the Canadians were praying that someone will be foolish enough to come and take the junk away. Forget the N.York Argument, America is known for good roads and solid cars, not an efficient and modern Rail system!

Please "Read" that provided link on page one, please do, for God's sake!

3.) I have seen Rail system (the fast ones that do over 500Km/hr) and l have seen "Lighter Rail or intra-city Rail" that commute between streets-to-streets. The Light Rails dont do over 35-50Km/hr.

I have provided a picture of both scenarios below. Both are in use ALL OVER EUROPE, especially very efficient ones in Germany, Netherlands, France, and Ireland.

My take is that, "IF WE MUST EAT A FROG, LET US EAT ONE WITH EGGS"!

We dont have to acquire the trains Canada "started with", 50yrs ago!. Lets us jump on the Bus in 2011.

We can link a place like Ireland (it was installed by a French Company) and under-study their Rail system or we can go direct to France.

We need a modern, efficient and sturdy Rail system (compare this to what the Chineese sold to OBJ, during his tenure and till today, they are still grounded! ) not one that will just pack-up after one year because we cant maintain it!

The Light Rail system is a brilliant idea and we must applaud BRF for it (Dont worry, just to "look and copy good things", takes a miracle in Nigeria )

BUT PLEASE BRF, DONT GO THE ROUTE OF OBJ, HIS CHINEESE RAIL ENGINES STILL LITTER THE PORTS AND THE RAIL YARD AT EBUTE-METTA!
They are non-starters.
ASK yourself: WHY are the Canadians doing away with it

PLEASE GOD, MAKE HIM LISTEN TO REASON!

Eko Ile:
lmao. look at this can't read and comprehend this olodo.


From the same article you posted,




N70bn = $466 million.


Around the same $500 million we are talking about for the same line under construction.

The 3 billion is an estimate for a full scale metro system scattered all over the state,


The facts are not on your side so quit the bad bele and gross display of ignorance.

Eko Ile:
But when are you going to show us your own source? Shebi it's available to every tom manliness & harry,

Mariory:
WTH? Those are the financial advisers for the project. How can you say it's not a legitimate source? What is the matter with some of you?

http://www.investec.co.uk/#home/lending_and_financing/project_and_infrastructure/Transport/transport_deals/ekorail_nigeria.html

olabukola:
The lagos state i know has only one rail line(stand to be corrected anyway). The line that runs from Agege via Ikeja, Oshodi to Iddo or Yaba. Fash is doing a good work but i have a question. Is the rail line for these trains(light or heavy) in place.?
I think the answer is NO. since the routh is diff and the oparetor is diff also. Have they stated building the rail line(s). Which one should come first?(rail or train). To construct the rail line will take more than 4 yrs when you include the nigeria factor the yr gets longer.
All those trains(Street cars/Tram) shown on the pictures above runs on electricity, do we have enough supply in Nigeria to power the trains as at when needed.
I am of the beleive that anything worth doing is worth doing well. I will not condemn of eulogise the project as i do not have the full details.

bkbabe.97y:
Lol. Eko ile, thats not how the trains in Boston look. Those are the street cars that connect all of downtown and some of the suburbs. Boston has a mordern rail system comparable to NYC's

Eko Ile:
These clowns are liars. Are we not talking about a $500 million project?

http://www.investec.co.uk/#home/lending_and_financing/project_and_infrastructure/Transport/transport_deals/ekorail_nigeria.html

Donlittle:
lmao, geico or geko wateva your name is, u dnt care, more like u care bout the cause but not the effect??
damn, were do u come from
if the effect start affecting lagosin u will be the first to come on here, and start abusing fasola, kilode

and what is their presentation, and how does it differ from their inspection, nonsense

Donlittle:
you didnt stay on the question, where do you get the money to buy the newer ones? arent there money projects to deal with?
if he goes to world bank for money, you same people will complain his own is too much again, haha kilode  

ekt_bear:
What difference does it make whether it is light rail or subway? I actually don't even know what the difference is myself. Does it matter?
What would you have suggested they do? Go for the more expensive option? If so, where do you get the money for it?

edo.girl:
Even assuming USD5milion p/mile, Lagos - Ekiti must be about 150 miles. That's USD750 million. With the Nigerian factor, the final cost will be at least double that figure, if not triple it.

Now tell me, where will Ekiti state find it's contribution towards this project, when it is struggling to pay the 18k naira (USD120) minimum wage to its workers. And then its yearly contribution to the maintenance of the line? Lol, you need to understand the hard facts - policy should be made with the head, not the heart.

You mentioned Lagos - Kano rail line. Makes sense to link 2 of Sub-Sahara's 2 biggest cities. But Lagos- Ekiti? Even Nigeria's famously dubious bankers, who will be called upon to finance such project, will laugh this off. It is not commercially viable.

Kobojunkie:
The poor people don't have to conduct more than 150,000/1 million in transactions per day with banks -- they can however conduct in their numbers 150,000/1 million in transactions with sole proprietors/small businesses and corporate entities.

Imagine the store owner at the corner store whose customers are only able to pay in cash since cash is what they have -- at the end of the day the store owner counts his till and finds he has made over Naira 250,000(this is actually his sales average per day) what does he do with this money? Deposit it in the bank, right(lets assume that)? Well, this policy says he cannot do that without penalty, every night. Do you get it now?

Kobojunkie:
What has cash flow, or high rate of inflation to do with high case of money laundering? A Cashless society? Where have you actually ever seen that one? Even in Japan, people still pay for stuff, outside of the core cities, with cash. Abeg make we stop creating these utopic pictures of ideas. Also, with a cashless system comes more headaches like electronic fraud etc. Preventing and managing these things cost equally as much as it would, probably even more since banks, and governments need to be constantly ahead of the hackers and criminals, than it would cost to achieve same in a cash society.
And you think Operating without cash in a country where to date majority of the transactions happen underground(open, unmonitored market) will help do what exactly? Operating without cash in a country where 80% of the people live poor, and many are unable to afford bank accounts, let alone ATM cards, will do just what for the sole proprietors/small business owners who have to deal with these consumers?

We can make adjustments without monstrous policies like this one. Allow people change as they get to the point where they can-- we did it when cell phones came in-- didn't we?

playmode:
Exactly ,let us just hope they are listening.They can't give us excuses when there are cheap solutions like these.

ekt_bear:
Found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRq4UJLqLDI

Amazing technology, lol