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The UK is notorious for low salaries, especially in the Anglophone world. Immigrant ambitious nurses hone their experience in the UK and port to the US or Australia (which White British nurses have done). Nigerian nurses should do the same. At least, to write NCLEX-RN no go hard compared to their counterparts in Nigeria who have to slug out the visas to South Africa or Kenya.

In her words;

“It’s high time men in the diaspora whose wives are Nurses step up and start helping in the family. I don’t think I have seen any family surviving on one income in the UK.”

Isn't that the norm in Western countries, and the wider developed world? Abi are Nigerian men whose wives are nurses doing my money is mine, but your money is our money? How fast the tide has turned. God bless Gender Equality and Ndi ifenemenisi

Western liberal politicians and their supporters would drum up support for increased immigration, but will not provide the necessary infrastructure to support such an increment. Na so Singaporean government then was issuing out PRs to any bloke who applied till the natives revolted by voting for the opposition. The same reason: infrastructure was strained and housing became so expensive.

Raalsalghul:
I can't even begin to imagine how many women must have called you "stingy".

I rather be called that than give my money to ungrateful people. Those women should go and make their own money.

We are in the era of gender equality.

Paraman:
A person doing menial jobs in the UK does not earn close to what a person doing a white collar jobs is earning.

You can claim they earn more than some Nigerians doing white collar jobs.

While true, it is not a good way to assess earnings as those Nigerians doing menial jobs in the UK are spending in pounds and pay with their bodies. It is better doing a white collar job in Nigeria than menial job in the UK. White collar job in Nigeria to white collar job in the UK, NOT white collar job in Nigeria to menial job in the UK. This was Ms Remi's focal point.

You know what, I was thinking about the blue collar jobs industry vs the white collar labour market few days ago.

While it is true that certified blue collar jobs can pay so high, the practitioners pay for it with their bodies. That is, they age quickly and face physical stress and damage, and even danger. If not, why do the upper middle class or elites don't have their children doing the same? French politicians will say the Ecole education system discriminates, yet send their children to Grand Ecoles. Some politicians in the US will say rather than do an MBA, enrol in an apprenticeship. Apprenticeship is not bad in its entirety; Germany, Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland are good examples of how they can provide a standard of living for its practitioners.

That said, for black African migrants, to fully benefit from apprenticeship, they must be certified, and people should stop converting pounds/dollars earnings to naira. You are not spending naira in the UK. So, stick to cost of living analysis in the UK. Don't say I am earning 500K naira daily because of kini kon. Your expenses are in pounds. Stick to it.

Nazgul:
I use the banking system ideology. If you're operating a salary account with a bank and let's say you're earning about 200k per month.

If you want to access a loan from your bank, they would give you offers within your salary range. You can't be earning 200k and be expecting to access a loan of 5m or 10m. It's impossible.

That's how I treat women in my life. My financial commitment towards you would be determined my the amount of sacrifice(s) you've made for me.

You can't be demanding an iPhone 15, when there's absolutely nothing you've done for me to make me commit such resources towards your request. I'll tell her right there that I don't have that kind of money. If she wants to call it quits because of that, fine. Nothing would make me honour such request.

Thanks for the modus operandi.

Nazgul:
Best comment so far. You just described me.

I can't give you money without any justifiable reason, even if we're dating.

Are you dating? If yes, how is the ideology being implemented?

It should be possible. Gene editing has the potential to cure (different from treatment) many diseases. The issue for Big Pharma is how to structure the industry for one-off and one-time cures rather than recurring treatments. But yes, CRISPR and, who knows, a newer technique can cure HIV.

It is just that the Chinese are not focused on HIV, if not, I envisage them to begin research into it. But if the money is right, Chinese will do dive in.

RecentHistory:
Buy and build in Abia or Anambra. It is faster and easier to get documents.
Let's even see if they will sell land to you as an Enugu or Ebonyi man in Anambra.

Why do you believe he is Igbo? What if he is from Benue? Or even Edo or Kogi?7

When you were taught Social Studies in secondary school (assuming you went to a good school, attended classes and paid attention), did your teachers not teach you that there are over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria?

airsaylongcome:
Getting the legitimate documents from Lagos State, especially for non-yoruba southerners is a game of Russian roulette

Interesting.

pansophist:
If Japa also includes other stable African countries, then it is achievable by almost all Nigerians. Fun fact. Only Brazil is bigger in landmass than all the 28 countries in the EU.

Of course, I understand that landmass means nothing without opportunities, but my point is that Earth is a freaking huge place, and one would be missing out on only concentrating on the West for migration.

I don't even want to add Asia, South America, Oceania, Africa, the Caribbeans, the Pacific, the Middle East, or Russia, the largest country in the world. Japa should not be synonymous with the West. Go to other places. God created heaven and earth, not Africa and the West.

Well, economic opportunity is the major reason our people emigrate, aka japa. As it is, the West is the best place to thrive or get economic opportunities as a black African migrant. As for other African countries, their replicas exist in Nigeria. The major issue is security if not a place like Taraba comes across to me as a Zambia. So, rather than japa to Zambia, one should relocate to Taraba.

lastkingsman:
Na so the matter be. To even get admission in those schools you mentioned with your money na wahala.

I have a friend that did masters at LBS. They took him then because of diversity and na him be the only black for their set.

He's with a top consulting firm in US now. Started with their branch in UK, was later transferred.

Probably because he was the one who met the requirements. Our people have poor GRE stats compared to Chinese. Mainland Chinese have higher average scores in the Verbal section than we do. Also, cognate work experience, which is a key component of the admission process. Asian economies have grown vis-a-vis their companies, so Asian applicants have real life experiences at fast-growing companies. This means they have enough opportunities back home even if they don't find work in the UK. Malaysian, Singaporean and now Vietnamese grads are good examples. From 2006 - 2014, Nigeria had the same, but in 2015, the same people campaigned and voted for Buhari because he promised to phight kwarruption!

pansophist:
Male logic.

Yea, she likes you, but you are the man and she is the woman. She won't chase you. It's your job to initiate, and all she can do well is respond.

As far as she is concerned, giving you the green light is chasing you. Or the ones that go far to wash your clothes, cook for you, etc. Thats how women chase.

This also infers that in many cases, women usually don't end up with the man they like, since they don't chase. They may have lots of men chasing them who they don't like, but just pick the best out of the available.
the only one with that feeling. it's a female thing.

I see. Na small small I go learn this thing.

MONEY247:
😁😁
To be a lady is a gift....
I mean a creature born with value in them...(if you understand)
Your fellow man would see you in dieing need of help, and would have the resources to help and act like they do not care.....
s favour and the blings blings of life...and no investment no self discovery.... ladies wise up use your God given gifts to level up.....Men can really die....for ladies

God gave them something that we would not understand in the world to come

It is like that everywhere with varying degrees. Men go a great lengths to satisfy the wants and needs of women, even if they don't really like them. However, this is changing with the spread of Ndi ifenemenisi. The argument by these lads is that since we are in the era of gender equality, women should work for their money and not expect free lunches. Rightfully so. Rights come with responsibility.

On the other hand, a significant proportion of men are not really appreciated even after spending money on women (with free mind o). The same woman whom you give money today would accuse you publicly of being stingy. This was my case when a female classmate in the university went round soliciting money for her birthday, which I contributed to. We were not really close sef, but as classmates, I contributed and I could recall my contribution was the highest that day. Only for some weeks after that, the same girl publicly, in front of other classmates accused me of being stingy and tight-hand. I felt so embarrassed. Another one from secondary school called me one hot afternoon like that for a small loan. Knowing how dishonest Nigerians can be with "I will you back", I sent half of the money as a gift with the narration "don't pay back". Weeks later, the same girl said I was stingy because I declined to contribute to one investment scheme she was peddling amongst her friends.

Ever since, I don't dole out money to women I am not biologically related to without ensuring it is worked for. You must work for your money. If you don't like it, go and make yours. We are in the era of gender equality.

Bongadu:
Well done CEO stingy man association

I am not stingy, rather, I am frugal. I was trained from childhood that people should work for their money, no free lunch, especially from non-blood relations. I give out money but the reason should be justified and logical. If I am to dole out money without any reason, it is on my terms.

Anyone who doesn't like it should work for his/her money. I did not steal mine.

pansophist:
She likes you. If you like her, then call her and move things forward.

If you don't like her, please let her be. Don't convert her to fork material. I use God name beg you. Let her be.

Women generally are passive. They thrive well in responding, not by initiating. She is giving you the green light, that you should take things forward and she will respond favorably.

Why is she insisting he calls her? What stops her, since she is the one interested, from calling him? At least, she should show geninue desire and interest. Since ladies especially 21st century version like to parrot "show workings" during talking stage (whatever this means), they too should show areas of concentration.

ufotty2001:
He just opened up and told me that he does not have. This is someone that is a professional nurse in USA!! Ordinary 900$.. he has been coming to Nigeria.. this is my blood brother the same father and mother.. thank God I bought the land without his money!!!

That is nice of him. I appreciate his honesty. It is an anonymous forum, so I would like to know more. Is he married or divorced? How many children does he have? Could he be on student loans? What speciality of nursing is he into? What rank is he on? Twenty-five years as a nurse in the US means he is not less than 45 years old. There are a lot of questions to ask, honestly.

GUNITGuy:
The rubber appears plastic and I don't know why it's dedicated to women ....I keep seeing the advert on Alibaba...

I researched on rubber plantation, that stuff has a long gestation period. The best plan is to research into superior seeds. Also, it needs the government's support to grow as an industry.

Mindlog:
University of Huddersfield.

Bwhahahahahahahhahahahahhahhahahhahahhahahahahha Na MSc Finance from Huddersfield him wan use work for City of London?

I would rather be an illiterate than spend a kobo of my parents' money attending such an institution. If it is not Imperial College London, London School of Economics, Oxbridge or any of KCL or UCL (these days, both ciome across as pure water universities), I no do. I am a black immigrant, so I am not fazed by St Andrews or Durham or Exeter, although those are good schools.

Better Covenant or Baze, be a good boy and marry the daughter of a rich man.

I take it to be a skit.

Number one mistake is saving that long for a gift. This relationship thing go hard for me. Maybe it is because I am not a fan of giving people money without any justified or logical reason.

pansophist:
China is ready to intervene militarily anywhere if the United States or NATO decides to attack Russia. China Ministry of defence warns.

With NATO floating with the idea of engaging Russia directly in Ukraine, China seems ready to officially join the war. Things are getting more messy it seems.

The US and her vassals allies just want war. As it is, it is glaring that Russia cannot be defeated or ostracised. A good thing countries have played neutral, rightfully so. Why should a problem in Ukraine concern an average Indonesian or Indian? Did Ukrainians before the war bother themselves with problems from New Delhi or Jakarta?

All die na die. The West hasn't come to terms with the reality that its hegemony is fading away. I urge the Chinese to stand strong and steadfastly. A defeated Russia means doom for China and the rest of the Global South.

nearline:
Gboyeee is absolutely right. Yes. This is the UK we are talking about but they too have loads of misplaced priorities like the military budget and aids money he mentioned. University aside, there is a wave of serious poverty in the UK in general right now and this has nothing to do with their universities. The fact is that not everything that brings in profit must be globalised or should I say not everything that brings in profit must depend majorly, or worse, solely on a globalised market to make money. Not especially education. Globalised commodity trade is unasses are suffering some (including a lot of native white british people) are actually homeless and jobless. They can find a solution to their low university funding challenges without depending on foreign money if they want to.

The logic does not follow. If he is right, why are the universities lamenting decreased revenues and are on the brink of financial collapse? Aids money has been cut ever since Theresa May. Defence funding has been increased because of the Ukrainian issue. However, past Conservative administrations have cut down on funding for higher education while imposing a cap on tuition rates for citizens. The universities have to find an alternative. Yes, it has been abused as a leeway to settle in the UK. Maybe White British should come to terms of what their country is and its future. Politicians are only responding to what the electorate wants them to do.

Jewessgratitud3:
A neighbor of mine called me on Saturday and was complaining bitterly about his Bossom friend.

He told me his friend travelled to the US in 2008 and after a few calls they lost contacts. Last week his friend messaged him and said he's aware of the hardship in naija and asked him to send his account details. My neighbor did and after a while he received an alert of 20k. I said wow!.. that's a miracle. but he hushed me and said I should let him finish.
He said immediately he did the conversion it came to 12.8 dollars. He now said after 16 years it 12 Dollar the friend could send to him that that's an insult.
ollars...

To me the friend did not do any wrong but my neighbor feels he could do better.that 12 Dollar is like 1,200 hundred naira to them over there.

Guys what will you do if you were my neighbor?

The mistake he made. Don't convert earnings or gifts to any currency. Take what you see as face value. This is the same mistake most Nigerians who japa'd recently tend to do - convert earnings in the abroad to naira. Tomorrow, they will come and argue with me that a skyscraper cleaner in the UK earns more than a bank manager in Nigeria.

It is the friend in the diaposra I blame. Not everyone in Nigeria should be sent money. The friend too in Nigeria should stop converting dollars arbitrarily.

P.S. This is assuming your story is real as you are fond of creating funny stories depending on which side of the bed you woke up from.

cococandy:
Do you think $500 is just laying around for everyone in USA to hand out to multiple people?

Fair argument. But when people accuse their blood relations of entitlement, I wonder the kind of relationship they had before living in different parts of the world.

Stevenbright:
He wanted to use scope for his brother but the guy man knows he won't pay the money back.

That is a hasty assumption. Why do you believe the brother would not pay back? Not everyone is dishonest, even to their blood relations.

79733139:
So many Nigerians have entitlement complex. Just because they are friends with or related to a person, they believe the person must give them whatever they demand.

Including blood relations?

Wow! So, if I have the resources and my blood brother wishes to buy land, should I decline to give him the money?

ufotty2001:
I wanted to buy a land over here in Port Harcourt. I had up to 3.5m and I was expecting 2m from my business the following week. I call my brother in USA to help me with N1.5m he refused. So that I can add to the 3.5m to buy the land of NN5m.. Despite that I will pay him back in less than 5days.. he refused. This is blood brother oohh.. a professional nurse that had stayed in US for 25yrs..

I am curious, what did he say was the reason for his refusal?
How many time has he visited Nigeria and the general family in the past 25 years?
How close are you both, before he relocated and while he was working?

Ilekokonit:
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A few hours ago, I saw 2 Oyinbo middle aged men approach our bulding and knowing it is election time soon, I thought they were Conservative Party vote canvassers and I went out to meet them but the one who stopped at our building and dropped Labour Party campaign leaflets through the letter box of every flat including mine turned out to be Labour party officials and I told him that I thought they were from the Conservative party and if so I had meant to tell them that I would NOT be voting for the Conservative party because of the divisive politics of Suella Braverman.

He agreed that Suella was a divisive figure before he left but from the tone of his voice, his body language and his wanting to leave in a hurry, I could sense that he is one of these stiff upper lipped white aristocrats who a) is wary around black people and b) thought they were better than anyone else talk less of black people and although he is from the Labour party, I made up my mind NOT to vote Labour as I originally intended but to vote for the Workers party founded by George Galloway since those ones SEEM more tolerant of the grass roots and George Galloway himself is closer to ethnic minorities than the Conservative and Labour parties.

In the UK and America there is a phenomenon called "White flight or white exodus" whereby white people start moving away en-masse from any areas where ethnic minorities have started moving into. Its very common in London and I first noticed it in the SW16 area of London many years ago when the Somalians first started moving into that area of London after the UK granted a lot of them Asylum during the Somalian civil war.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

Nice read. Maybe it is just me, but one thing I would recommend for new age black immigrants is to see the West as a means to an end, not the end. The ideology that we relocated to the West and should die put is entirely misplaced. These people's ancestors went to Africa to scoop resources and toil our people. They did it to enrich themselves. The same ideology should be applied when we move to their lands. Use what they have to get what we want. Since it would be hard to get a working visa to the UAE (higher wages and lower taxes) as a Nigerian passport holder,use the British passport to enjoy that privilege and earn good money with the aim of resettling elsewhere.

I think our people are just too comfortable being in the West. The Chinese don't think like this. Although Indians behave like us, they don't like or align with us. So? Use the West to get what you want.

Gboyeee:
Let not deceive ourselves, this universities can survive without immigrants money. You know how much these countries give in aids every year, go check their defense and other budgets.The universities is open to bringing in more funding from international students. The universities can do fine. Let stop feeling important and build our country.

That is not true. These universities depend on immigrants to fund themselves. The British government has constantly cut funding for higher education leaving universities to charge foreigners very high rates compared to citizens. The government has also placed a cap on tuition fees for British citizens. So, to support themselves, the universities have to focus on recruiting foreigners and charging them excessively. The top universities charge more than thrice the rate for international students compared to citizens. These schools target wealthy and middle class households in Asia. The lowly ranked universities (who are the most affected) focus on developing countries such as Pakistan, India and Nigeria.

With the current immigration rules, these lowly ranked universities are forced to cut down on departments, employees and if continued would have to close entirely or merge with other struggling universities. For instance, at Imperial College London, the majority of international students are Chinese, and they dominate the engineering and sciences departments. In LSE or Cambridge for social sciences, the majority also come from Asia - Singapore, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam and the oga kpata kpata China. Their parents pay a shitload of money to sponsor them to those universities.

justmondris:
A few years from now, most foreign students will start attending universities in China for the same quality of education at a very low price.

Actually, there are many African students schooling in China, mostly on scholarship. One of UI's top graduates did her MSc and PhD in a Chinese university and currently works in China as an assistant professor. However, the majority of Nigerians who opted for the UK are not interested in China because of: a) Language b) the Chinese labour market is even tougher and highly competitive c) China doesn't have a path to naturalisation. However, for those who are interested in actual studies, and especially in engineering and computer sciences, I would recommend China as the schools there are well grounded in that specialty compared to the mushroom universities in the UK.

tensazangetsu20:
Na wa o. I thought london was one the top global financial centers. Why is it then hard to get a job in finance?

Guy,

As much London is a top financial centre, those jobs are extremely selective and meant for the best and brightest, plus children of mom and dad's friends. In this current economic and immigration climate, anyone who wishes to work in the City or Canary Wharf MUST study at a top ten or, I dare say, top five universities in the UK. This applies to MBA as well. People get jobs right after their MBAs, including those who even studied at INSEAD or HEC Paris, but as noted, these are top universities.

I have mentioned how top universities affect job applications, but was criticised. Na the same thing I tell one Chinese student recently who attends a not too well known university but applies to top Japanese financial companies. Apply to smaller or less known companies, work there for at least three years and apply to the big boys. For entry level, companies are extremely selective because the number of applications is high. They apply several selective requirements, and more so for immigrants.

Finance on its own is an elitist industry even in Nigeria. The top universities or nothing. For the UK, this means LSE, Imperial College, Oxbridge, Exeter, Durham, Warwick, Nottingham, London Business School and the likes. In Nigeria, first and second generation federal universities alongside top private universities.

Mindlog:
I won't discount God's grace and favour but many who came over, didn't research well before the leap.

I told someone who wanted to come to the UK for his studies, he said it is Msc Finance and I advised him that chances of getting a sponsored job in that field is very slim, gave him alternatives that are more realistic but the guy ghosted me and in his mind I was an "enemy of progress". He came over for his dream course: Msc Finance, graduated and presently in his second year of the 2 years post study work visa working in a warehouse through an agency earning £11.47 per hour before deductions.

Which school did he attend for his MSc in Finance?