₦airaland Forum

emmaodet:
Bros, am even tired of arguing about japa no japa again because they will just see you as hater.
Many people are doing fine here in Nigeria and won't think about japaing yet the noise about japa on nairaland is way above the roof.
Some of them say that you can't get a visitor's visa to Europe or Canada with nija passport and when I enter the plane while coming back home last month, 90% of the people are using Nigerian passport because most of us queued and cleared through the Nigerians Only route while like 10% in the foreign passport route.
So who are these Nigerians getting visas everyday?
Who are these Nigerians filling up Ethiopia airlines like 8 a day to Nigeria with other airlines?

Where are they all getting visas for different countries when the japa crew nairaland version claim Nigeria passport is useless and can't go anywhere?
By now, I expect planes to just be 15 or 20% partially filled since Nigerian passport holders have been shadow-banned as they usually say it

ChybuzzDD:
The worst of it all is Nigerians describing the Asians as ''whites'' and worshiping them.

The level of the inferiority complex is so pitiable and shameful.

IbeOkehie:
Actually they're much richer than you think. I would advise you to check data on wealth in the USA. Not only that, Black Americans are richer than Nigerians. Nigerians EARN high pay but OWN much less WEALTH. Wealth is built over GENERATIONS in a political systems that PROTECTS PROPERTY RIGHTS.

For example your first wrote something about mortgages and how they don't own their homes. This quite wrong. I'll just make an offhand guesstimate that over 65% of homes in the USA are mortgage free. Most White Americans and many Blacks don't pay rent or mortgage...and even if they do it's a solid, guaranteed future wealth. This is NOT too hard to understand.

I don't blame una sha, it took me a long time to realize a lot of this. Look, think of it like this...the average or middle class White American has the same kind of wealth you have as a Native tribal person in Nigeria.


The American people are Natives just the same way you're a Native of your tribe and own wealth you didn't work for or pay for.
THE DIFFERENCE is precisely what you've attempted to discount - socio-political organization. Your land in your ancestral village BY LAW doesn't even belong to you. The American people have organized their country in such a way they they LEGALLY OWN property. That secure ownership is what gives value. That is why MORTGAGE is more widespread in the USA than in Nigeria.

Why do all these Nigerian elites own homes abroad? Did you read how the Federal Government forced Abubakar Atiku to give up his shares in Intels? That shows ALL property ownership in Nigeria is at risk.

I actually am tired of these sort of discussions but the way wrong info is touted here to justify the NIGERIA IS BETTER THAN US/UK narrative is crazy.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Kenn55:
All the western world countries are almost the same except for little variations here and there.

They are all credit societies where large chunk of their economy is driven by consumer spending.

However you have the choice to stay out of loans. For example, If you don't have money to go to school, then you don't have to study courses that would keep you heavily indebted since you will be taking loan to study. You can study in demand courses in colleges with grant rather than go to a high ranking university to study with loans. You can decide to drive a 15 year old car and pay for it in cash rather than going for a brand new or fairly new car with loan.

You can even keep renting instead of buying a house on mortgage if you hate loans so much but that doesn't make sense since houses are assets and not liabilities. Even though you owe money on a house, you can sell it and make profit when the time is right.

Note that an average oyibo doesn't care much about debt the way we do cos that is how they live from beginning and it's part of their lifestyle as built by their system.

You talked about savings but note that these western countries are not built for savings but spending. Like I said before, it is the bedrock of their economy. Besides, the structure of their society coupled with fairly good governance makes savings not to be a big deal.

Why do people need savings? In case of emergency. What are the do or die emergencies? Loss of job, health, accidents, loss of shelter,life etc. The oyibo model is insure instead of savings. This is why insurance is one of the biggest industries in North America.

In this place, your insurance is your savings while in places like Nigeria, your savings is your insurance because of the model our society is run. You see the difference.

Why would an average oyibo be bothered much about savings when he has insured against all possible emergencies? Life, employment, health,home,car,accident and even pet sef dey get insurance. These insurance coverages cost money but because of their mentality, they embrace it but majority of us Africans will see it as a waste and instead save those money in the bank and that would form part of our "savings".

So when you read an average oyibo have little or no savings, that is the truth but it doesn't tell the full story.

You asked a valid question but you need to understand how the society is built in order to properly navigate it. The choice to embrace the oyibo model or our Nigerian model or a little mixture of both is left for you.

“My landowner is asking for 450,000 naira per year on the 2-hectare farm for which I currently pay 200,000,” said Attangba Bonjo, who grows cocoa on leased land in Ikom in Nigeria’s southeast. “Cocoa farmgate prices have risen to about 4 million naira from 2.7 million naira per ton in the last two months, which I believe the land owners want to have a taste of.”

More than a fifth of the 18,000 farmers in the area are impacted by the rent hikes, according to John Kalu, the zone’s coordinator for the Cocoa Association of Nigeria. The growers will be hurt by this “if cocoa prices were to fall below their current levels.”

However, the skew of the market is not without some benefits for farmers, and they’re making some unusual but potentially lucrative contracts.

Growers in central Cameroon have started selling beans still in pods because they want to lock in the current high prices, Ngono said. Buyers are eager because they want to export more, he added.

In the normal course, farmers cut open the pods with their machetes and let the cocoa beans ferment and dry in the sun for 10-12 days before selling them. Now, in many new deals, these steps are the buyer’s responsibility. They assess the crop and strike a deal. In some contracts the processing is then outsourced back to the farmers, or the buyer might hire workers.

With supplies tight, buying the crop on trees assures traders that a competitor won’t purchase the cocoa ahead of them.

But the volatility concerns Cameroon’s authorities.

The government plans to ban the sale of all cocoa on the market that cannot be traced, to stem theft in the business, Trade Minister Luc Magloire Mbarga Atangana said during a recent tour of the country’s so-called centers of excellence that help cocoa farmers process the beans and find the best bidders for their produce.

From thieves stealing pods to traders rigging scales — high drama is unfolding in Nigeria and Cameroon’s cocoa markets — as everyone jostles for the massive profits on offer as prices of the chocolate ingredient have soared to their highest in over forty years.

Production shortfalls in West Africa, where much of the world’s cocoa is grown, are driving the rally. With the heart of the harvest season now underway, the rush of unusual developments highlights the fight over the limited supply and complicates how much farmers ultimately benefit from the price gains.

“Thieves are invading the sector, stealing pods and selling to traders,” Charles Etoundi Ngono, a local delegate of Cameroon’s Trade Ministry, said. Unlicensed traders have entered the market and are using faulty scales to cheat farmers, he added.

Cocoa futures traded in New York reached a 46-year high last week as heavy rains and crop diseases hurt West African output. In Ivory Coast and Ghana, the top two nations producing about 60% of the world’s cocoa, industry regulators set the price at which traders buy from farmers. Cameroon and Nigeria, however, operate in a free market system with minimal state control.

A kilogram of beans in the center and littoral production areas of Cameroon currently fetches $3.30, up 26% from the start of the season in October, according to the Cameroon-based Cocoa and Coffee Interprofessional Board.

A single cocoa pod sells between 200 and 250 francs depending on the size, according to a survey of five farmers in the area. “We want to take advantage of the rising price before it’s too late,” Jean-Phillipe Amougou, one of the farmers said, in an interview.

Growers in Nigeria are witnessing a similar frenzy for profits. Land owners in the south-eastern part of the country, which account for 30% of the nation’s 285,000-ton annual output, are pushing up rents, sometimes looking for quadruple the current prices.

cenaman:
Hypocrites everywhere! Go Sabon Gari na those hisbah police dey drink alcohol pass. Go to Aba rd, Onitsha rd, Enugu rd at night and see how both hausa boys and girls consume alcohol.

Ecbatana:
Why would people risk their resources to do alcohol business in a sharia state? Still can't wrap my head around it.

Validated:
If you have a good certification, still in your thirties or below 40, or even early forties, you are able to save up to N10m and have a child or two children and not a political actor or a clergy of a big church, may I ask, "What are you still waiting for"?

You see, 7 months ago, your N10m was about $22K. Now, it is only about $8590. However bad, it could still take you to UK, atleast. Then you can begin sorting your life. Even if you have a business, it will be eroded soon.

No, not with a Tinubu that does not understand productivity.

tensazangetsu20:
Bros there's none. Study visa appointment that was 16 months it's now 19 months. Marriage and reunion is more than a year. Which company will wait that long for you when there are others who can fly to Germany without visa and get their own permit processed for them while they are in the country

ednut1:
MBA is expensive o. Almost 100k usd in some schools. According to the guy almost all his fellow colleagues have residency in western countries, they have moved their families. With this Tinubu economy his eyes opened never thought it could get worse

tensazangetsu20:
A russian woman came to give birth in chile but she didnt come on residency so they refused to give the child citizenship so she abandoned the child in chile and travelled back to russia. Now since the child is an orphan in Chile, they will have no option than to make the child a chilean. Its one of the major problems and they are voting regarding immigration on sunday. Chile is rewriting its whole constitution. As of last year sef, tech boys were getting work visa sponsorship to germany. Now even if you get a job in germany theres no appointment in the german embassy in Nigeria. Fucking insane.

Kipaji:
Thank you very much. So, how would you say "bro", "man", or something like that in a local language?

Wow, never thought about this. I knew that many women go to luxury places in the hope of being targeted by rich men, but I never thought about this dynamic for prostitutes in hotels.

Yes, the sex market is becoming harsher for prostitutes with free porn, several online prostitution platforms (instagram, onlyfans, whatsapp, escort websites, ...), the increasing number of real-life prostitute alternatives (oloshos, students, "girlfriends", and the high levels of promiscuity.

Is there a significant amount of homosexuals in Nigeria? Is it more gays or lesbians?
How is the growing tide received by the population? What are some key reasons of this growing number of homosexuals?

Thank you Gerrard for your insights and perspective. What is your website?

ednut1:
There are 200m Nigerians with about half being youth. It is not realistic for everyone to japa. I have colleagues who also said they cant japa but of recent they are changing mouth. One in Chevron reached out to me, he wants to learn french for Canada express entry. The last time i came to Nigeria and visited him he was still anti japa. E go better

Moikiitos:
Why are Nigerians racist to their fellow Nigerians? It has goes beyond tribal bigotries... No, one wants to have a healthy conversation without calling names, The actual discussion is always deviated from the discussion. WHY?

WHY, can't we discuss issues without calling names/insults on each other? Mi no understand ooo

OSDD:
You know it's expensive to travel to those places? And since tensa is young, he has enough years with him to work hard and strive in that land and he's even a digital nomad, he doesn't need to apply for jobs in that place, all he needs to do is acquire more digital skills, apply for remote jobs and earn, something that's not all feasible in Nigeria.

There are so many opportunities for him over there that an average Nigerian can never have.

tensazangetsu20:
Ask in Chile o. Chile of all countries. Chileans that don't need visa to enter US something agbadorians will never ever get until they die except they get another passport is what he's denigrating. Agbadorians who smuggled themselves to Dubai despite being banned. Dubai mtscheew

tensazangetsu20:
Let Nigeria get to the level of one comune in Chile

Kelechi009:
It is the philosophy of the Leftists, and the ladies like it. I've never seen any Leftist theory make sense to me; that same idea is what drives the whole gender discussion and why we have so many genders now. I'm sure you've heard of systemic racism, but there's also systematic leftism, where you're helpless to defend yourself even if you're completely innocent of the allegations levelled against you. If you are accused of harassment, you may lose your job or be expelled from school before an inquiry is conducted. If found not to be guilty of harassment after investigations, you will not be reinstated and have lost that career. One more thing, men have to also be careful of who they settle down with, any woman who has leftist ideology or has friends who are advising that are also leftist is meant to ruin you in the long run.

codemaniacs:
there is a majority Igbo group close to the Atlantic Ocean but they deny their igbo identity they call themselves ikwerres and are majority in Rivers State and have igbo names and culture but deny been igbos

seguno2:
Why do Igbos fail to blackmail other Nigerians for the civil war atrocities, in the same way that Jews do for Holocaust and Rwandan Tutsis do for the 1994 genocide? What makes them not focus their efforts on this

nams77:
Let me ask you in all honesty. Apart from some Igbo youths making jest that Lagos is no man's land, have any Igbo person carry arms to fight and attack you? Let's me sincere.
Which tribe have gone to your villages, kill and maim your brothers and fathers, rape your sisters and mothers and try to chase you away from your farms? Is it the Igbo or the Fulanis?
Why not face the truth and rescue your land.
A man whose house is on fire is busy hunting grasshoppers?
You in particular needs sense. A healthy dose of it

santaclaws:
It's not even about the south east 'getting' a seaport or not. The fact is that they don't have the natural facility (ocean) for the infrastructure they're asking for. If the SE had a coastline and the government refused to build a seaport, that would've been another case entirely.

Some politicians have brainwashed our eastern brothers into thinking they should have a seaport while neglecting other feasible projects like good rails and dry ports.

SaintUlot:
Outlined below are the 11 reasons why you must make sure you Japa from Nigeria:

4. Immediately you leave Nigeria, all life and spiritual problems are over, that's why you see that when many people japa from Nigeria, they don't go to church and mosque again, simply because they have no reason to. The Government in their new country of residence have provided everything they needed, so no need to disturb God again. Life problems and Spiritual problems are only in Nigeria, they can't be found elsewhere.

11. When you Japa from Nigeria, you have Automatically add 30 years to your lifespan, mortality rate is high in Nigeria for obvious reasons, but elsewhere apart from Nigeria, life expectancy is very high.

Karleb:
As a Nigerian with common sense, it's so easy to be or support a Republican.

If I were an American, my vote would go to anything that is not Democrat.

tsdarkside:
....you got 20 pounds....

it doesnt matter....
you are not the only tribe that needs things....

seaport....??

but you have onne near you....
you have portharcourt near you....

fg should dreadge the river till south east and you still not use it....??

Kelechi009:
I actually agree with some of your points, especially on adoption of Christianity in the east. My opinion is the issue more systematic than coincidental, like you have mentioned a major talking point which is the adoption of Christianity, any where Christianity thrives, Leftism also thrives afterwards because of Christianity's impact on freedom and justice is very high.

Eastern muslims exist but very few of them, mostly are Christians who adopted the western ideology. The liberties and rights that we value in free societies are to a great degree the result of Christianity's influence.

Mind you, a lot of feminists dislike Christianity because they believe it marginalises women, the same Christianity that brought freedom to them. One popular talking point is why Jesus didn't have female disciples.

Lastly, another issue is colonialism and the rise of Nigerians moving the west, we have more Nigerians becoming leftists because (1) We speak english as we were colonised by the British as compared to the other francophone countries

(2) Nigeria has always been in a bad economic shape hence we keep moving out and our second generation immigrants who are women largely become fully feminists.

santaclaws:
The government needs to do more for the South East, I totally agree. They also need to embark on programs that foster national unity...

The only wrong thing he said was the seaport; there is no sea or ocean in the south east to begin with, so where do they locate it in the region since it's landlocked? Except for Lagos & the Niger delta, locating a seaport anywhere else is a complete trash idea.

What the SE needs is a good rail network and dry ports to transport cargo from and to various parts of Nigeria.

tsdarkside:
funny part is nobody is stoppin them to do it in their region themselves....

they want the federal goverment to do it for them....
this is the main issue....

than to come toghether and build this things themselves,they are busy supportin ipob and waitin for biafra....

tensazangetsu20:
I hate leftists so much. They don't just destroy societies. They destroy economies too. Chiles current president is more left leaning but their congress house thankfully is more right leaning.

lastkingsman:
I only like leftist when it comes to immigration policies every other thing is about them is madness.

My personal grudge with Trump is his stand on immigration.

Kelechi009:
It is the philosophy of the Leftists, and the ladies like it. I've never seen any Leftist theory make sense to me; that same idea is what drives the whole gender discussion and why we have so many genders now. I'm sure you've heard of systemic racism, but there's also systematic leftism, where you're helpless to defend yourself even if you're completely innocent of the allegations levelled against you. If you are accused of harassment, you may lose your job or be expelled from school before an inquiry is conducted. If found not to be guilty of harassment after investigations, you will not be reinstated and have lost that career. One more thing, men have to also be careful of who they settle down with, any woman who has leftist ideology or has friends who are advising that are also leftist is meant to ruin you in the long run.