₦airaland Forum

opeaceo:
Ori e

9jacrip:
@ the first emboldened: you cannot 'consult' a deity to know how to propitiate it or anything. Only options available are if one of the initiates goes into trance and the deity speaks through the person, or you ask the people who are knowledgeable to school you or finally, you ask ifa.

You do not consult with orisa even with dida obi or owo eyo. Only Ifa contains the items, process/steps and needed chants when propitiatkng a deity.

And you cannot go to Ogun to want to learn, you'd still have to go back to Ifa except you ask Ogun initiates or hear from a person who enters egun.

Osanyin the human was known for his herbal skill, so was Obaluaye. Their knowledge of herbs was recorded in Ifa - Osanyin or Obaluaye are not going to speak to you.

In a nutshell, Ifa is the manual to these deities.

To further my argument, the school of Ifa in Oyo have each line from Ifa separated because that is how it is done even if you were omo ikofa at a Babalawo's place. You either follow what your Oluwo is good at or you chart a new course.

You pick what you want.

The second emboldened:

Tapa and maybe Fulani are our neighbour (Oyo) so there's nothing new here. The whites and co are those I'm not sure about but I hear you there.

I really won't like to take the argument into the realm of where civilization started or if it was Ife and if Ifa mentioned other peoples - why? Because I have no knowledge in this aspect and would rather follow you and see what I can learn or else I'll be taking you in circles rather than helping the argument develop, I hope you understand.

Finally, let me add that, Ifa kept record of the past and still keeps record of the present. How new verses get encoded into Odu is what I do not know and never thought of asking. So if Ifa talks about Arab, Fulani, Tapa and European slave trade then it must have been incorporated during the period of contact with these people. Like it is in modern sciences, oniseguns experiment everyday with new leaves, animal parts/blood, positions, time of the day/night to develop new ogun which are then entered into Ifa after it has been proven/tested variously.

So, ifa mentioning these people must have been upon contact or afterwards.


P.S: all the people I mentioned are spiritual elders, hence the myth and actual history are both important to them. For people who want to construct actual history, myth is usually disregarded. As I said before, myth is the basis of spiritualism in Ifa, it challenges you to attain certain levels the deities reached in mythical stories. Wanting to construct history with these myth will make one look stupid and insane.

Ifa is not stupid, this is why it carries with it 2 versions of each deity.

There was Osun the lady that came down to earth with irunmole, mother of Ose-Tura (Esu's Odu).

There was Osun the lady that married Sango in Oyo which people are aware of.

There was Oduduwa, the sky traveller who came to earth.

There was Oduduwa who lived in Oke Ora and fought known battle with Obatala.

There was Obatala who drank wine and forgot his heavenly task.

There was Obatala who indeed lived and has temples in the iranjes mentioned in Ifa.

There was Esu whom Osun birthed.

There was Esu in Ilare whose compound is still there today.

There was Orunmila who worked with Olodumare in heaven.

There was Orunmila who lived in Ife and ended up in Ire-Ekiti that people knew.

The list is endless, you can pick what part you want to apply in constructing your history.

redcurry:
are u paying attention to her? even d blind is aware, ado is like a kitchen compare to Akure.ado is like isinkan or arakale in Akure.

eyeview:
Please permit me to briefly enlighten you on the political composition of power in Imo state presently. I think its a bit of a misnomer to categorically label Imo state an apc state. The two seats controlled in the state by the apc are the governor and his deputy.
The Pdp controls the three senatorial seats(chief sam-daddy anyanwu, chief hope uzodinma and chief athan achalonu aka one-arm general). And their victory over the apc candidates hand picked by rochas were overwhelming!
As for the over 10 house of reps seats,the Apc controls just two(chika okafor and one other guy).
Even within the cabinet of the governor,the apc is shrinking on a daily basis because the whole party structure is being centred around rochas' family to the exclusion of the wider party.
Come 2019,it will be the pdp led people against rochas family and inlaws.

FreeGlobe:
I just came from my nairaland sabbatical (thanks to seun) to post this here briefly. I want to specifically comment on Peter obi. To all those who keep pretending peter obi is not a power hungry attention seeking corrupt politician, I hope they can justify this his move. Obi will do anything albeit deceptively to be around power. I just wish Ngige accepted him into APC before disgracing him finally. Also let me make it known to obaino that any attempt by him to join APC will consign him to a one term governor. I noticed he is becoming desperate for second tenure. Like how he rescinded his ban on okada. We are watching. We shall never allow APC in igboland. Ekwunife is a non issue.

Ybnm4life:
On a seriou note, I don't really want this monthly 5k approved by the govt for us graduates. I just hope this money can be put into our nigerian industries so as to create more employment for us.
Its better to show how to teach a man how to fish than to be giving him fish everytime he needs it... Just look at the rate of unemployment in Nigeria now and see what am talking about...

TonyeBarcanista:
Babaginda I mean. Thanks bro

TonyeBarcanista:
Stop insulting Gani. He doesn't roll will people in government irrespective of party. He was a real fighter and a patriot per excellence.


Stop comparing him with Wole Soyinka. Is Soyinka not the same man that worked for Abacha when NADECO was fighting for Abiola mandate?

searchiing4love:
IS THERE A SECRET QUAREL BETWEEN BUHARI AND TINUBU ALREADY? WHY ALL THESE RANTS FROM THE NATION NEWSPAPER LATELY? THIS WILL ONLY GIVE THE BIAFRANS AND ENEMIES OF ONE NIGERIA TO SPEW TRASH ON THE UNITY THAT EXIST BETWEEN WE YORUBA AND HAUSA/FULANI. I HOPE THEIR DIFFERENCES IS RESOLVED SOON

LesbianBoy:
I still can't believe many Nigerians are supporting olamide and the ybnl crew. It just shows many nigerians are MAD its just few that are in the hospital! Olamide used vulgar words and threw the microphone simply because his protege didn't win an award. Who tha fvck does he think he is? And that short brat called lil kesh even went on twitter and bragged that he makes more than the amount of the SUV in 2 weeks and he wasn't heavily criticized. Such a proud FOOL! I hope ETISALAT terminates olamide's contract! Agbero like him! Tout! Compound fool! Guys lets make this trend #EtisalatTerminateOlamideContract so it will serve as a deterrent to other yeyebrities that they are 'role models' and should behave themselves in public! Nonsense!