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MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying all prophets who testified or prophesied of Christ were born of the spirit?
If so how come John who prepared the way and also prophesied and testified about Christ is not qualified to be one of them?

did Freespirited tell you John is not qualified?

You will not go and ask those who taught you that nonsense where they got it from?

FreeSpirited:
John the Baptist will make heaven for sure......that's why Christ Gave us his rank in the kingdom
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My Bible also makes me know Daniel will make heaven, so I don't know what u mean by born of spirit with relation to holy prophet of old testament.

Dan.12.13 - "As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."

Dan.12.13 - But you [Daniel, who was now over ninety years of age], go your way until the end; for you shall rest and shall stand [fast] in your allotted place at the end of the days.

did you tell Maxindhouse that John the Baptist is not qualified?

Then why is he now asking you why is John not qualified?

MaxInDHouse:
This is all i needed from both of you instead of dodging and playing hide and seek!

I wouldn't have answered this by myself because of your attitude but who knows whether an interested followers may like to learn from my comment, so i will oblige.

Being born of spirit began at Pentecost just as Jesus promised his disciples that day 120 disciples of Jesus were born of spirit in one day. Act 1:7-8
This is the long time promise Jehovah made to the Jews through the mouth of Joel the prophet of God! Joel 2:28-30
So for Jews in Jerusalem that day to know that what Joel said is undergoing fulfillment Peter reminded Jews present that day! Act 2:16-19
Honest hearted and sincere Judaists that day felt heavy at heart and begged the Christians to tell them what they need to do so as to become beneficiaries of this blessings their God promised their forefathers! Act 2:37

So guys there has never been a time when anyone was born of spirit until that day and since John never survived to see that day he can't make the list of those born of spirit just like many who have lived before his time.

If you have further questions go now and ask Jehovah's Witnesses for a free home Bible study because i won't answer you further. Matthew 7:6

🤣🤣 you are as ignorant as you are arrogant.

John.3.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You talk off point, misquote and misuse verses then you go about advertising your group. Your aim is not to teach the truth but advertise JW.

So answer with a yes or a no, since you say since that day of Pentecost... have you seen anyone born of the Spirit?

Ken4Christ:
The errors are trivial. It doesn't change the central message or the fundamental truth. In fact, there are no doctrinal errors but trivial errors based on human limitations and weaknesses.

The only Bible different from every other Bible translation is the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witness. The Jehovah Witness are not Christians. They are anti Christ.

Leave it or take it, the contents of the Bible especially the teachings of our Lord Jesus and His Apostles is what God will use to judge this generation.

okay so how is NWT different and an "antiChrist" bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying there has never been any one born of spirit before John the baptist?

Come out plainly i'm not interested in hide and seek!

me I don't know o, I have answered you, so if you know tell us. And keep this your pride in your house and just tell us

Truthseeker10:
Tctrills have made the assertions that the bible has "few contradictions" but still argues that the bible is true and not false. Is he correct?
Please I need the house opinion on such viewpoint whether you believe in the bible or not.

tctrills
StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Lordreed
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Jaephoenix
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
AbuTwins
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ

the bible contains that which is true and that which is "false" and "contradictory" because men can make mistakes or intentionally manipulate and lie about certain things. But apart from that, much of it has been kept intact and recorded for the future.

Contradictions can be due to misunderstanding what is actually written in the original Hebrew text and mistakenly translated or taught to be an error. There are some quotes from the NTs that isn't directly as it is in the OT.

But the one true consistent thing in the Bible is God said and His intent, from beginning to the end of it. That's asides the recorded speeches of men and the like.

I agree that there are some things that are not true in the Bible like some of the sayings of Jobs friends which God later tells them to repent from. Showing that the purpose of God is true and consistent revealing who He is and what He is going to do and what He expects.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible writers were INSPIRED by God to pen down what they wrote {2Peter1:21} this means God spoke
to His worshipers through their writings {1Thessalonians 2:13} to help them see matters from the same point of view as they use the Bible to TEACH themselves, REPROVE themselves, SET MATTERS STRAIGHT among themselves and DISCIPLINE wrongdoing among themselves! 1Timothy 3:16
Any contradictions in God's word will be disastrous as His worshipers won't find it easy to maintain the oneness for which they were given God's inspired word, Jesus prayed to his father saying:

"Sanctify them (Worshipers) by means of the truth; your word (Bible) is truth." John 17:17

Of course translators may err due to their imperfection or use of words that may not convey the message as written by the inspired writers but for someone to say the inspired writers actually pen down contradictions that is coming from no other place but ATHEISM.

Thanks!

you have go and add your own, you don't have fear o. Is it bible Jesus called the word of God that sanctifies us. Did Jesus call himself bible 🤦

MaxInDHouse:
Continue dodging!

that's all you can say after reading my response 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious you don't know the answer to this question:

Mention one person who was born of spirit before John the baptist?

So i will take my leave!

if you want to leave leave na. All men are born from their mother's womb, but those who die in God get a new life for eternal life cannot be received in this body.

Now have you even anyone born of the spirit before? Because they are supposed to be Spirit 😂🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
You never answered!

Here are the questions again:

Is John the baptist qualified for God's Kingdom?

Was there anyone born of spirit before John the baptist?

It's just a YES or NO response!

you want to lie that you never read this

gohf:
have you ever seen anyone born of the spirit 😳😑

You asked me a question which little to do which the teaching you asked me for from matt.11.11.

Why don't you tell us you have seen someone born of the spirit, before you ask me if there was anyone who was born of the spirit before John. It's a simple yes I am seen or no I have not seen.

You ask me if John the Baptist is qualified for God's kingdom, if he didn't qualify is it you that now qualifies 🤣 before you even heard aboht Jesus, who revealed him as the Messiah to the Jews 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
1. To complement the man so that both can live forever as lovebirds.

2. Moses has not even been born when God made that statement in Eden so Jesus quoted God with whom he was in the beginning.

3. David practiced what other men of his time do but in God's law he warned kings against marrying multiple wives. Deuteronomy 17:15-16

4. No God gave them freewill to experience things for themselves was given.

Okay so you answered this four questions?

But when I asked you
"You need to state when polygamy stopped being permitted and who brought a stop to it?" You instead said your beliefs is from JW doctrine

Any even considering your answers here.
Number 1 sir is wrong, bible student has failed number 1, God created the women to be his helpmeet and companion not his lovebird 🤣

2. Wrong again, Moses wrote Genesis even primary school crk students know that, and that part was him commenting on what he was recording. Well it is clearing not God speaking there it is obvious to anyone reading that passage.

3. Is a simple yes or no question but seeing has you have failed half of the questions already, let me give you a half mark for passively admitting that YES God permitted David and told him he could take any free woman as a wife and not someone's wife

4. Well full mark to you here, for understanding a simple yes or no and answering it correctly but your explanation was not needed nor asked for.

So you get 1.5 out of 4 😁 bible student 👏👏

StillDtruth:
"Those guys decided within themselves". Is this not the meaning of repentance? And is God's Salvation not about saving anyone who does not want to enter into His Wrath? So this statement has no value here.

'WOMEN FROM IDOLATROUS TRIBE'. After Ezra, can you see any righteous man having more than one wife?

Even these your words "women from idolatrous nations" shows that by God's Law, Isreal's women did not marry their men as second wives.

AI overview
Ezra's Reform:
While Ezra strongly advocated for the Israelites to return to the Law of Moses, including the practice of monogamy, his efforts did not completely eliminate polygamy among the people.

So, you see they had their first wife, mostly an Isrealite and therefore they could not marry a second Isrealite woman but had to go outside Isreal to break The Law.

Same thing which Nehemiah applied.

Nehemiah's Actions:
The book of Nehemiah describes a situation where many Jewish men had married foreign women, (obviously because no Isrealite woman wanted to marry them and break The Law.)
prompting Nehemiah to lead a similar reform movement to Ezra, requiring these men to divorce their foreign wives.

So, from these, you see Isreal knew God prohibited polygamy even if they did not easily obey it in those days

But, it is very clear now as seen from the new testament, you do not see any Isrealite with 2 wives

So it is a case of you planning to disobey God and break His Commandment like others have done.



I did. Those verses are not standing alone. They are in The Law against Lusts and abominations.

Leviticus 18:24 -30
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

So you are trying to use an abomination to commit sin?



This was argued in the thread and it did not hold.

🤣🤣🤣 Now this is why I read previous posts... Imagine me missing this rubbish. Imagine him writing in bold print (obviously because no Isrealite woman wanted to marry them and break The Law.) 🤣😁🤣

Well what's the name of that woman who's name is the only OT book titled after a woman? 🤔 What's her name again, I think it has something to do with star or a dashing tree like that 🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious you don't know the answer to this question:

Mention one person who was born of spirit before John the baptist?

So i will take my leave!

did I answer you or not, yes or no?

MaxInDHouse:
To judge?

Please nobody is judging anybody here!

You asked for a Christian view regarding polygamy and i showed you what early Christians practiced in view of Paradise in their hearts.

So this is not about judging because they didn't judge anyone who is already married into polygamous family all they did is to deprive such ones from holding a position in the Christian congregation which no sane individual will like to thread such path after seeing what the Apostles are doing to polygamists.

Please make use of what they practiced back then and decide for yourself what you will do. Galatians 6:5

"what the apostles are doing to polygamists"

Look, you do not judge but I judge you who claim to be in the house of God, the body of Christ for adding laws and commands to God's word, for calling a sin that which God did not call a sin. Yes I judge you with the same standard that I will be judged with. If you claimed to be ignorant and of the world that would he different.

I may laugh but now I am serious. You all have no fear for God but value your own opinions and traditions above God.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop quoting previous comments that is of no relevance to the present situation.

Here is the question don't run/shy away:

I believe I answered that question, besides you have absolutely no right to tell me not to enjoy reading previous comment. 😑😑 Well you can tell me to stop like you did but I can also ignore you 😁😁😁

FreeSpirited:
Firstly u hve misinterpreted Deuteronomy 18 v 18.....Just as u always do with other scriptures to fit into ur own model of self righteouness.......I won't comment on that but...
Secondly: Oga, thank you for going this path of Titus 1:6....I've been waiting for you to quote that scripture that says ...."must be husband of one wife"..
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Now what that scripture is saying is directed solely to over seers and shepherd of a church which is understandable......cos more than one wife can present issues at home and distraction for the shepherd whose sole aim is to feed the flock...Does this admonition by Titus mean two wives is a sin? NO! DOES this admonition also mean there are no men with multiple wives in the congregation? No, that admonition actually mean as a matter of fact that some brethren in the church had two wives...which disqualifies them for that leadership post because of it's demand not because of it being sinful..... otherwise Titus would have said brethren with two wives are hell bound and must repent from their sin.....

Also because of God's work....Paul once says he would even prefer we don't even Marry at all.....he once said a married man would worry more about family than God.....So it's therefore clear as to why sheperd should have one wife or even none like Paul.......these admonition is never about a man of two wives being a sinner......... otherwise, those holy apostle would have said it..... which is obvious when Paul was disgusted that men slept with their father's wife and not disgusted that such man had a second wife the way u guys are now disgusted....,,I wonder why u guys now inventing what was never written in the scriptures
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This is the scriptures I will like u to consider written by Paul is

1Cor.5.1 - I also received a report of scandalous sex within your church family, a kind that wouldn't be tolerated even outside the church: One of YOUR MEN SLEEPING WITH HIS STEP MOTHER....MSB

1Cor.5.1 - It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife.......NIV

1Cor.5.1 - It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.......KJV

I used 3 translations so that we can all understand the context: which clearly means that certain brother was was having affair with his Father's wife or step mother. Of course Paul never was concerned about why a man would have two wives in this context, but he was clearly bitter as to why a brethren would sleep with his step mom, which clearly contradict Leviticus 18 v 8 which says- "Don't have sex with your father's wife. That violates your father"......MSB
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Obviously u guys know more than paul

infact I feel that for Paul to specifically mention must be husband of one wife, it meant there were many believers who had multiple wives.

Well Paul is one to say don't marry so you can focus on ministry and sees marriage can be a distraction, that's why most of what he writes concerning marriage is usually from the scripture (OT) interpretation and Jewish practice

MaxInDHouse:
This is what God told the Israelites about Christ:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

God told His people that someone will later come to TEACH them in His name but the Jews rejected Jesus, do you know why?

Well it's because he said so many things that totally contradicts what they knew before as RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Peter confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is that promised prophet who is coming to teach them how to get to Paradise {Act 3:22} that's why the Christian congregation will not appoint any polygamist to lead or teach in Christianity:

The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach. 1Timothy 3:2

If there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children who are not accused of debauchery or rebelliousness. Titus 1:6

I wouldn't have engage you if you aren't appealing to CHRISTIANS!

now is every believer supposed to be an overseer?

And when did Paul become the "prophet" or is Paul Jesus Christ now?

That reminds me does jw even have "an overseer or a G.O"?

FreeSpirited:
All these ones na self righteouness and story from ur mind......
For this reason a man will cleave with his wife and they will be one was not a saying by Christ
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It was GOD who instituted that saying......and after that, most men of God who worked with him were never deemed by God to have broken that saying for marrying 2 to 4 wives in the scriptures........And in hundreds of laws given to Moses, never did God for once says 2 wives contradict that saying.....why would u think Jesus would contradict it and make 2 wives Adultery? Jesus never brought any new law, Jesus only judged the intention and motive of men in their observance and judgement of the law. Obviously for the adulterous woman caught, Jesus judged the motive and intent of those Pharisees.....to realize they were also guilty of same sin they wanted to kill the woman for........so that's injustice according to CHRIST.
Oga u people are just self righteous and cherry picking the scriptures
One wife is perfect....but two or 3 wives was never a sin or Adultery...and theres a way u can marry second wife without ur adultery claims.....

you eh, the moment some started preaching against God's word and started preaching equality in marriage, even been married to one unsubmissive and rebellious wife became an issue. Before they would be humble to win their husband's favor but some who are unwise like proverbs said, who pull down their homes and make the saying, it is better to leave in the attic than in a mansion with one quarrelsom wife.

Wait, 🤔 did proverbs advice against marry more than one wife or against marrying one "bad" wife. 😁😁

MaxInDHouse:
Well i hate blind arguments.

John is not yet qualified for everlasting life not until he practice what Jesus taught and that affects all those who lived before him! Matthew 11:12

So they will be resurrected on planet earth to learn from Christians who aren't part of Christ's corulers before they can qualify for everlasting life it's whatever each of them decides to do after learning about Christ that will be the basis for their judgment whether they will be counted worthy of everlasting life or not! Revelations 20:11-13

ah you hate the wrong thing, you should first hate been blind maybe then you will see the truth and stop twisting what is written. 😗🤭

MaxInDHouse:
All you need is a Bible study!

What God instituted is a man and a woman it's after man's fall that people began doing what they want and God allowed them to learn the hard way from experience.
Well throughout the scriptures there is no peaceful polygamous home it has always been trouble here and there you too can try to mention one polygamist in the Bible who never had troubles due to polygamy.
So when Jesus was talking about a haven where there will no sorrow, no tears, no pain, no enmity he told us that marriage in Paradise we must return to the divine arrangement which is one man one woman.
I know people like you will keep on asking for written code instead of doing what you know (in your heart) is good for everyone but learn today that in the New Covenant Christ wrote his laws in our hearts! Jeremiah 31:31-33

Would you like your dad to marry a second wife in addition to your mum?

Would you like your daughter to marry a polygamist?

Would you like your sister to marry a polygamist?

Of course the simple answer to all these is capital NO!

So if you want what is good for you and members of your own family why would you anticipate something else for others? Matthew 7:12

lol 🤣🤣 you want to use emotions after writing "you need to study your bible"

Just say it is what you want and not what God commanded that you are preaching as God's word. And while you assume God's word it's up to God to handle you, don't assume my own answer o. MY ANSWER IS YES, so rest, and stop assuming no one else reads the bible 😗🤭

MaxInDHouse:
All you need is a Bible study!

What God instituted is a man and a woman it's after man's fall that people began doing what they want and God allowed them to learn the hard way from experience.
Well throughout the scriptures there is no peaceful polygamous home it has always been trouble here and there you too can try to mention one polygamist in the Bible who never had troubles due to polygamy.
So when Jesus was talking about a haven where there will no sorrow, no tears, no pain, no enmity he told us that marriage in Paradise we must return to the divine arrangement which is one man one woman.
I know people like you will keep on asking for written code instead of doing what you know (in your heart) is good for everyone but learn today that in the New Covenant Christ wrote his laws in our hearts! Jeremiah 31:31-33

Would you like your dad to marry a second wife in addition to your mum?

Would you like your daughter to marry a polygamist?

Would you like your sister to marry a polygamist?

Of course the simple answer to all these is capital NO!

So if you want what is good for you and members of your own family why would you anticipate something else for others? Matthew 7:12

So was sex before the fall or after the fall? 😏 As a student of the bible you are, this should be easy to answer abi 😁
By the way you assumed all polygamy homes in scripture were not peaceful so were all the monogamy homes peaceful?

Tell us why Cain killed Abel, or why Esau and Jacob had issues, or care to explain the peace you mean and share examples of such mono-homes 🙏

You quoted Jeremiah where God promised to write the law in our hearts, so tell us what are the laws God writes in our hearts😊.... Surely it is not the laws of Moses 👀

MaxInDHouse:
@ gohf

have you ever seen anyone born of the spirit 😳😑

StillDtruth:
"does Against God's will also mean sin?" Yes

God's Will is expressed via His Laws. So when you see God's Law or Command, you see His Will.

Secondly, the Laws in Leviticus 18 are the Laws of sexual abominations which people do, even today.

So they are only pointing out the sexual abominations a person must not do.

But if you want to see the laws barring polygamy they are contained in several parts of the Bible which I dropped in the threads I showed you. Eg Deuteronomy 17:17 do not multiply wives.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Every argument that people like you could make was done there and in the end they did not stand because I showed them the Laws they must break to do polygamy.

Ezra 10:3
[3] Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to
put away all the wives, and such as are born of them (exactly what Abraham did when he made the mistake of taking wives after Sarah's death,) according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 How long did it take you to google out deut. 17:17 you should have ACTUALLY READ the chapter 🤣. Okay only that verse says that the purpose the king should not many so many wives is so that they don't turn his heart away from God.

Infact that's the same reason they were not to marry foreign women. Which by the way Moses married and that was the issue that got Mariam a leper for a week. Anyway. Those who trule know scripture know that Ezra misinterpreted the scripture and misunderstood what God told Jeremiah and took a wrong action in that regard, but neither the less, they didn't divorce their extra wives but their pagan wives.

MaxInDHouse:
Please expatiate on what Jesus said at Matthew 11:11 because there is a point Jesus made there that needed to be cleared:

"Truly I say to you, among those born of women (from righteous Abel) there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom (someone who is considered smallest) of the heavens is greater than he is"

Simple, those born of women are carnally born
While those in the kingdom of God are all born of the Spirit.

But we can also dig deeper into what Jesus was actually teaching in Matthew 11 that brought about that statement in verse 11 😃

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i always point to my source of guidance regarding scriptural knowledge: jw.org

I often do this to alert whoever i'm chatting with to know what to expect from Jehovah's Witnesses for instance many often come here saying Jehovah's Witnesses will never agree to give their daughter's hand in marriage to someone who is not a JW neither are we going to approve for our son to marry a female who is not a JW.

I hope you now know that we strictly hold on to the same line of thought among us.

As for polygamy it's a crime in our midst to the extent that you can never ever be one of us of you're a polygamist no one will consider your baptism no matter how long you've been with us. Thousands out there have not been baptized after studying the Bible with us for decades even though many thought they are members of Jehovah's Witnesses because they attends our meetings yet they are not baptized which disqualifies such ones from any privilege among us! 1Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:6

well I guess a point to you for sticking with jws doctrine but that doesn't make you any different from those who follow their various pastor's doctrines. Well your faithfulness and commitment should be commended 👏

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
It became a sin for whoever wants to get everlasting life through faith in Christ Jesus who told his listeners:

In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female  and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.” Matthew 19:4-6

All other forms of marriage is against God's will: polygamy, polyandry, gay, lesbian, bestiality all came after man's fall.

So in the beginning God created one man (Adam) and one woman (Eve) so it's this arrangement we are returning to in Paradise whoever is not satisfied with this arrangement is not fit for everlasting life in Paradise!

Why did God originally form the woman?

Who was Jesus quoting God or Moses, two shall become one flesh?

Did God ever tell David he could take any or another woman and not his "neighbor's" wife?

Did God ever punish anyone for having more than one wife?

Simple questions if you actually know what is written in the scriptures

StillDtruth:
First, not at the same time for his first wife left on her own and not that he went looking for a 2nd wife to add to her as you greedy people do

Then secondly, he got the permission of God Who saw why his first wife was leaving and unlike everyone else, He saw God directly, "friend to friend" style.

That is why your Catholic church is right in saying you need God to be present to get a divorce.

so basically it is down to God's permission not human ideology, philosophy nor theology

MaxInDHouse:
OP is appealing to CHRISTIANS those who have the assurance of everlasting life.
For your information all servants of God from Abel till John the baptist are yet to get the approval {Matthew 11:11} because they must accept what Jesus taught before they can get approval for everlasting life! John 3:16
Meanwhile they will be resurrected to practice what Jesus taught us within the thousand years of Jesus' reign before their names can be written in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} no man can gain everlasting life without what Jesus taught!

🤣🤣🤣 wait lol, so you know he is "appealing to Christians" and you keep bringing examples from those who don't know "Abrahamic God".


Hmmm, they are yet to be approved 🤔, hmmm, brethren please let's read the Matt 11:11 maybe there awaiting for approval is written there 😁
Matt.11.11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (KJV)

Okay 🤔🙄, so is that they have not accepted the teachings of Jesus but didn't Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration 🙀

"before their names can be written in the book of life" 👀

🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️🏃🏾‍♂️

StillDtruth:
Yes!

Guilt starts with your mind and the intention to sin. That is why we have the word "premeditation" to catch any guilty person even before he commits an offence.

I once told you to go read up "mens rea" and see where and when a person's guilt starts counting.

😲😳 You once told who what 🙄
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MaxInDHouse:
You have spoken well by saying polygamy is found in the Bible but you need to know that it wasn't permitted for all times.
Take for instance incest was permitted when Adam's descendants were about to procreate they got married to their own siblings, Lot impregnated his own two daughters after the death of their mother and all the men they had in the land of Sodom, Judah (Jacob's fourth son) impregnated his daughter in-law but later God condemned all these acts in the mosaic laws.
When Christ came he made it clear to his disciples that they must not do what they won't accept to their neighbours {Matthew 7:12} and when it comes to marriage they should remember what God instituted in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

Regarding polyandry (marrying more than one husband) many cultures around the world are doing it because they don't know the Abrahamic God so if you want to preach Christianity to such ones how do you defend polygamy when it's not what God established in the beginning yet condemned polyandry?

So to establish a balance Christian view we must stick to what God instituted in the beginning because that is what will be applicable in Paradise: One man (Adam) and one woman (Eve)

May you have peace!

You need to state when polygamy stopped being permitted and who brought a stop to it?

At least incest you are trying to associate with polygamy was clearly no more permitted and put an end to, according to the morals written by Moses which permits polygamy as well.

By the way writing Lot impregnated his daughters is a subtle way of avoiding the fact that his daughters got him drunk and "raped" him. Now not sure how you somehow go off point or dont make any 🤦, but Judah sleeping with a widow isn't incest, if it were then the law encouraging siblings to impregnate their late brother's widows who had no children should be promoting incest as well.

Twisting Matt 7:12 to fit your logic is pathetic 🤣🤣 but I do respect you quoting, Matt.19.4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,.. just that Jesus was speaking concerning divorce and not polygamy nor against it. Infact when God spoke in Genesis about Marriage He spoke to the women and not to men.

Well it's common sense that women can only submit to one lord, as the people submit to only one king and to only one God.

Polyandry been practiced shouldnt be an excuse to misuse scripture and suggest an eye for an eye 😅. And to be frank how should a man submit to two different men, who would she truly obey? Do you understand of purpose of what God said in Genesis and the reference made by Jesus to that beginning?

Anyway, you do know that the person Moses who wrote and the man would the joined to his wife, married a second wife 😏😊😄

StillDtruth:
Truly, on the face of it, he went off point.

However, his response is meant to address your aim of using marriage to perpetuate polygamy

For Who is The Ruler of Marriages? Is it God or you men?

If it is you men then you should not bother yourself about the Laws of fornication, and adultery etc for all these are God's Laws.

Therefore you can do as you like and if you have any problems you can go to your men's court for just is.

But if God is The One, then you have other Laws that are burning you right now eg Did you read that as God Judged Ananias so Judged He Sapphira?

Or did you not hear His Law is "An eye for an eye aka if you want an extra wife then your wife has a right to an extra husband?

So you can see when He is ready to punish you, one of Hid Judgements is that your wives shall marry their own husbands as you have done to them.

😂😂 true Max post was off as it can be like that some times but yours here eh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you are not comfortable sharing your wife with any other man so why do you think any woman will like to share her man with another woman? Matthew 7:12
Well Jesus taught us what will be applicable in Paradise where there won't be oldage, sickness, poverty or death.
So if you want to fit in to that system you have to start practicing what God's Kingdom want now, Paradise is for one man and one woman just as God instituted in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

May you have Peace!

yeah right, because there will be sex and making love in "paradise" 😂