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tombravo:
bro, the building is going to have large tents outside, many of them, it may nt be able to contain all but atleast an additional 50,000 wil be comfortable. it wil also av house for foreigners to spend the night in.

Bro, I'm not trying to criticize nothing but just questioning certain things. It still doesn't make sense if it will accommodate additional 50,000 because, that will make the capacity to be 150,000 and you still have 350,000 people outside. ..If I still know little mathematics. It means people outside are far more than those inside. It doesn't make sense to a wise man.

SIRTee15:
the idea is to reduce the number of services per worship day, thereby reducing traffic flow and congestion on the highway. It will also reduce the workload of workers and pastors in the church who normally stays truout the duration of the 5 services, which are often tedious.

I agree to all of that but it still doesn't answer my quest sir. How does a 100,000 capacity fit for 500,000 attendees?

https://www.rodparsley.com/watch?v=oW8zvt0n6rBmuLBBz%2fcAkw%3d%3d



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cc: Gombs, vooks, Wof partners etc what say ye?

davoremix:
So what exactly do you suggest?? We should tear down all the structures and keep everybody in the open right? That's your ingenious idea. #Receivesense

Not so fast. I'm only helping you people to receive sense and think. ... . If you're building a 100,000 capacity for 500,000 attendees, how does that make sense to the wise? Or you don't think people are reading what you guys are typing? Have you received sense now?

Interesting!

stagger:
Madam,

If you are single, you can make do with a one-bedroom flat. But I wonder how it will look like if you have a husband and five children, all inside the 1 bedroom flat.

That is how it is with this project. After 16 years of the present 50,000 capacity auditorium, it has become impossible to keep up with the close to 500,000 attendees coming in there every Sunday. They have to be spread out into 4 or 5 services and still the numbers outside are more than what is inside.

To an extent, I agree you can't keep an expanding family in the same location for some time but this part of your argument doesn't make any sense to those who are wise and reading.

If you're claiming the current attendees is close to 500, 000 on every Sundays while the current capacity is 50, 000; while then will any wise man want to build for 100, 000 capacity? How does that sound or is something wrong somewhere?

2. Is there going to be another giant building if you're claiming another up to 1 Million attendees in another 16 years from now?

3. There's no where in scripture where Apostles taught the church leaders to set up church branches and commission those branches to be under one headquarter or mother church. Such practices is foreign to the body of Christ. I don't know where these religious leaders got that idea from but that's something for another day and time though. Christ IS THE VINE and the whole church as a body IS THE BRANCH.

Earthkumy:
Yes the same romans 8:1 paul says "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit". The walk he talks about there, is your daily activity, your life style should be geared toward righteousness. So work is as important as faith and grace. Faith and grace makes your work perfect. You are not to worry if your work is perfect, that's the work of faith and grace, yours is to get into action and do your best, grace and faith will perfect the rest. May the Lord bless you as you workout carry or live out (to the goal\purpose of) your salvation with fear and trembling in Jesus name.

I think you are good on the aspect ^ above. I only fixed something there...

Earthkumy:
Have you heard it right there, paul also said workout your salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12.

This scripture has been grossly taken out of context as well, misunderstood and read into. There's no way you\we can "work out" our own salvation as in make it happen or perform it. This "work out" in that context is not a performance base neither is it a self effort on our own part. It is what is already inside of us that had taken place (salvation in its complete package) that we are expected to "work it out" better understood as "live it out". If you are already saved by grace through faith ( that is, salvation already took place in you), what salvation are you still working out by yourself rather than "live out" what has taken place inside of you?. If Paul meant, we are responsible for working out our own salvation as in self efforts and performance, then grace is no longer grace and the following verse will make no sense to the verse above: Look at it here:

King James Bible
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Philippians 2:13

Earthkumy:
I know you are asking yourself what does he mean by now. Listen to this "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:17-20.

Simply put, James is not promoting a work (self efforts and performance that causes things to happen) base here. He was teaching a corresponding action to what you say you believe. Many Christians have read into what James was saying. If you go to the example of Abraham James gave. How was Abraham Justified? By faith? By works? Or Both? Abraham, scripture says was justified by faith. He BELIEVED GOD AND THIS WAS COUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. So, what happens next was, we saw or read a CORRESPONDING action following what Abraham believe. This is what some understood to be "taking a step of faith or taking a step after or following your faith".

The faith comes first and does the job. Read through all\most of the miracles of Christ, it's in the order of FAITH first, then corresponding action.

Earthkumy:
Many pastors and teachers talks about grace a great deal, they always leave this little details which is a core foundation for a healthy christian life, that faith is sustained by works and it makes grace unending.

Again, you\we can't sustain faith by works because we never got it by works in the first place neither does our works makes Grace unending. If you truly understand God's Grace. You will know it you getting what (goodness of God) you don't even deserve - that's why some call it unmeritted favour of God. It was void of your works, how then will your works sustain it or keep it? However, there's work that follows or born out of your\our new nature in Christ. This is not works that causes things to happen but works that is born after the new nature in Christ - it is the good works that we do by our new nature.

Berean Study Bible
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
Ephesians 2:10

Look at the ^ above scripture closely: IN CHRIST for good works. This works is not your self efforts.

Earthkumy:
I have being observing Christianity and I have discovered that, christians neglect work, even when they talks about it, they normally use the word faith and grace to make work of no effect.

If you refer to "work" here as labour, that statement is wrong because no Christian will neglect work because of faith. That will be stupidity! If you refer to work here as performance that causes something to happen; that was the system under the law - a performance based and truely, they have to sustain it by works because they rejected the grace of God. Christian work is a work(s) that is born out of our new nature, not work(s) that causes something to happen. It is our corresponding action to what we profess or believe. BUT work(s) that causes things to happen is actually of no effect in Christianity because if it is by work(s) that causes things to happen, we will boast of it. That's why is all Grace so it will be void of work(s) and boasting.

Earthkumy:
Is impossible to obtain grace without faith and is also impossible to sustain faith without work. That a lot of christians do not understand, and is one of the reasons people are dropping their faith and going back in to the world.

By "work or works" here, I assume you're talking about "performance that we do which causes something to happen. If that is what you're referring to then, the above statement in red is wrong. If you\we didn't get it by work(s), how shall be sustain it by work(s)? If our performance didn't make it happen, how could our performance sustain it? Listen to what the Apostle says about sustaining faith with work(s):

King James Bible
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:6

In a nut shell, this is what the book of Galatians refuted. You began in the Spirit, by faith. Why are you now trying to continue or sustain your faith by works? Know ye not, that the just (that is those who are already justified by faith) shall live (or continue) by faith?

But first, you should have separated work as equal to labor vs work as in what we do that causes something to happen and works that is a result of the finished sacrifice of Christ or a corresponding action to what one believes. These are ways scripture used work (s).

Okay but you can go to sleep though because we're not on same time zone except you have other things to do during the night period. I'm at work and will respond line - by - line to your discussion when I get home. Hopefully, you'll get to read when you wake up and we can continue from there.

A great topic you started but you messed up a lot of things in between though. We can share and Rob minds if you don't mind though

nickkylawve:
Good morning everyone!! Please is it wrong to be on your monthly circle and still go to church I asked my neighbor this morning reason why she's not goin to church today then she said Is because she's on her monthly circle that is a sin, and that church of God should be clean and not dirty!!! Same God made us like this why is it now a sin worshiping him with what he created? Does your church also condems it please share??

ayoku777:
Romans 3v19 -Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
And are christians under the law?
Romans 6v7 - But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians 5v18 -But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Believers in Christ are delivered from the law and we are no more under the law. Infact to still continue to seek justification by the law after you've been made righteous through faith in Christ is to fall from grace.
Galatians 5v4 - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
So saying we christians are no more under the mosaic law but now under grace through faith in Christ is sound biblical truth.
Our justification, cleanliness and rightstanding before God is now through faith in Christ.
So all those ceremonial laws that a woman should not enter God's house during menstruation, or a man should not shave his beards or all the sacrifices etc no longer apply to the new creation in Christ Jesus.
Churches that claim a woman on her period is unclean in God's eyes are preaching what God through Christ has delivered us from -the law. And its heresis.
Shalom

PLUS,

1 Corinthians 6v11

Under the old or law, when such woman with monthly circle touches anything, such become unclean because she's considered to be unclean.

When the guarantor of the new covenant came on the scene, there was a woman with the same monthly circle which had refused to stop anyway. She touched Jesus and instead of making Christ unclean, she was made clean.

God had long left "Sinai" but some Christians had pitched their tents in Sinai which wasn't for them in the first place.

vooks:
Every ret@rd I ran into claims so

Homosexuality, what does it allegorize

cc: DoubleDeeX

BodyKiss:
In other words, he didn't know better?

That's not the point. The point is, the same unchangeable God said he was going to change from law to Grace, from old to new covenant but the he himself is unchangable. Doesn't he know better? I can change from one institution to another while I am still myself.

BodyKiss:
What's wrong with the law of the old testament? Is it not from the same unchangable God?

The same unchangeable God changed from law to Grace. Unchangeable in person not in ways of operation. There's a time past and there's now. How is God operating now?

DoubleDeeX:
Satan can fake the anointing and not the spirit. Satan cannot fake the fruits of the holy spirit not even for 5secs. The holy spirit produces his fruits in anybody that he is present in. Galatians 5:22-23.
The serpent seed doctrine is biblical. I will invite you when I create a thread on it.

I'll be waiting for your invitation also.

Haaa, Oluwa o. S'oro ni yi abi isokuso? Oluwa ku suru o.
SMH

DharmyYinks:
And why shouldn't dey pay tithe

When you disengage with the Law, you are not suppose to keep some and discard some. You disengage with the whole completely. Tithe is part of activities "under the Law" that is done away with in Christ. If you can't keep the text in the OP, why should you observe tithing instead of grace based giving?

OkunrinMeta:
I have read a lot of jagons here today. Eve slept with serpent and got pregnant for the devil.... What!!!!!!


OK let me to reason along that line and see if I can expose some of the flaws in the argument.
God had said there were MANY trees in the garden and they were free to eat of any of the those trees except the one in that symbolizes knowledge of good and evil.

So if you say eating means sex and the tree symbolizes the devil. That would mean God had given them the go ahead to have sex(eat) of all the other demons or angels(other trees) except the one of the knowledge of good and evil(Satan)?

Oya please explain that.

I sit here and just laughing. ...good kweshun. When men go beyond what is written, they have to invent another lie to cover up every lie they started.

Highcuerayte:
Yes dear, you heard right. Lucifer slept with Eve, he deposit the seed in her. Its true Adam knew Eve but the DNA of Lucifer killed the sperm of Adam giving birth to Cain.

Cain and Abel were both Lucifer's seed because he was called Cain's brother.

Only Seth was recorded to be Adam's image.

Should I tell you that the first sodomity took place in Eden between Adam and Lucifer

SMH

Highcuerayte:
Humble yourself and learn bro

It's not about humbling one's self or not. It's about saying what scripture didn't say. If you like also, you can as well open the thread so we can discuss it.

DoubleDeeX:
Have you ever wondered why Jesus Christ called the teachers of the law "a generation of vipers' (Matthew 23:33)? and also told them that they are of their father (Cain, the first murderer) when they insisted that they were not born of fornication but are children of God (John 8:41-44)? Smh! The lineage of Seth son of Adam were all godly seed (Children of God) until humanity got mixed up with Cain's descendants (Children of Men) in Genesis 6.

You are still a babe in the things of the spirit of God. And I repeat, this doctrine is not foreign to the scripture. Every Jew knows the truth about this, I don't understand why it's difficult for Nigerians understand this simple truth!

Humble yourself before God brother, if not you won't be able to walk out of the error you've fed yourself and your followers!

Open another thread for this discussion and mention me. So we can stop distracting this thread! All though, I might come respond quick as you would want me to if you open the thread because of my busyness but I will definitely attend such thread.

Sageez:
isn't it part of the Bible? Do you pay tithes?

It's part of the bible but not everything written in the bible is suppose to be practiced by Christians. Christians are not suppose to pay tithe either.

DoubleDeeX:
@Goshen360, nothing I wrote that is unscriptural here. But let's leave it for now, I'm going out now. I will make one post again when I'm back online, and if you are not convinced then you can hold on to whatever rocks ya boat!

The man Adam was NOT in the transgression brother; the only mistake he made was sleeping with wife when he knew she had been defiled by the serpent. The moment he did that, he became one with his wife in spirit making him guilty of partaking in the transgression. That's why any woman you sleep with becomes united with you in spirit, then her problems become yours and yours hers (1 Corinthians 6:15-20). Sex is a spiritual thing...It's a pity y'all don't know this!

That's why every woman Pastor is on her own (Read 1Timothy 2:11-13)

1Timothy 2:14-15

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self- control.

I hear you but truth is constant through out the scriptures.

Agreed with the OP but permit me to add, the "doctrine of sin" is in two forms namely,

1. Sin as in nature, which is the sin nature

2. Sin as in a practice or act which is what we do wrong.

The sin nature, Christ already dealt with. The residues of the sin nature which is our flesh we still carry is a continuous strife until we leave this corruptible body for the incorruptible. I remember a saying when I was a little boy growing that says, when sin (practice\wrong acts) is pushing you, don't push yourself towards it. With reference to God and His word, guard yourself away from sin. That's the practical in the OP!

Sageez:
How many Christians are guilty of this passage?
Leviticus 19:27 Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard
cc: OAM4J
lalasticlala

The Law is a system and a way of life to the national Israel but when Christ came, he said, I AM THE WAY.... Some people will Christian are not under the law which is absolutely true but when something becomes unfavorable, they will want to go back to the Law to get scriptures to favor themselves. When a man comes to Christ, the Law given to national Israel ends at the cross because it was nailed to the cross and you're now given the Holy Spirit to do the functions of the law, that is, guide and teach you - ALL THINGS ARE NOW NEW!