Juliusmalema:
Obaseki this is bad

Youre mad fulani goaaat... I always knew you were fulani and not igbo

OVB123:
My friend edo state is 80% christian. No doubt about it.

90 percent Christian the auchi Muslims are converting rapidly, pride is what is holding the others

AntiBeEmCe:



So you are disputing the fact that Edo is not crawling with fulanis? So who will the proposed sultan be lording over, himself?

I have spent years in Edo. I moved around a lot due to the nature of my job and I've seen what is going on.

*PS; illiteracy is far better than ignorance– which is clearly, your biggest problem. I said what I said.. if you don't like it, kill ya self.
Dvnce.

They be lording the hausa and fulani immigrant

Why would s royal edo chief abhor such ceremony without informing the palace, the love of money is something else


He will now loose is royal title and loose is very honour.....


If the oba could resist the useless militant of ijaw coronation, then this one should be more frowned out

TAO12:
You mean your LIES are supposed to appease MY soul to sleep?? You failed child!

You mean your oba & his band of beggars are bribing warriors?? I thought as much. Oh is that why he and his bribing warriors begged Ogedengbe away?

Hmm you really have nothing new


First of all the quote by ogendegbe who couldn't write or spell in English already fish the concatenated history as scam...

Who recorded ogendegbe actually words in the quote....

Lets asumme he told the story to his kinsmen which is unlikely too


Then again... The word Benin in the quote is another point to note out, the edo people didn't even refer to themselves as benins prior to ogendegbe raids in the kingdom, in the late 1800, rather the name wss known by the various Europeans who refered to the edo people as benin only, this was as a result of the description the itsekiri gave the Portuguese describing the edo people in their behavior of hostility and hence they picked the name Benin from Ile binu, to refer to the edo people who were never aware of such word been used by the European and Portuguese to describe them and not until the collapse of the empire and the beginning of the britsh administration that the britsh began using the name benin to refer to the edo people that they became aware of such name, due to the rising literacy that followed the Era....

The edo people always refers to themselves as edo and her surroundingneighbour's refers to them as a corrupt version of such name or ika by others


So how did ogendegbe known edo was called Benin

Ogendegbe literally wondered into edo state unknowingly and started raiding not until he was warned by an esan General that he knew he was in a wrong territory

But he wasn't killed probably escaped he didnt stay to fight the esan warriors , he also proved too stubborn to the britsh and was imprisoned like a slave and he ended up committing suicide...

chatinent:
Summary In King James Version:


An accident art yonder, cometh from unawareness and devoured me, not completely, but thine Grace. I, stoodth and approached the motor car and resold it, but mine angel, my better half refusedth to oblige to accept to give out, to borrow me some petty wages. O, death, why! On her birthday, I refusedth to be an attendant and I seek, of thou, what art you advise to giveth me?

By the way, tooking baa? Cow will jam you.

U didn't even overreact bro!

Call her tell her say ogun kee her papa!!!

Call her say chioma na ogun go kee your mama!!
Even at that you're not still overreacting with this petty curse

Na when ogun truly kee her papa and mana then that will be overreacting

TAO12:
CRAP!

Ogedengbe ravaged Owan and Etsako. He was moving down south closer and closer to the palace when your oba literally BEGGED & APPEASED and made peace with him so he can leave his kingdom alone.

Another debunked CRAPpy! falsehood

https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/5#104295576

Insult and Lies will not save you from me, because it has never saved you.

BeNiN iS a SuPeR pOwEr! LMAO! No wonder Benin suffered so much at the hands of its more powerful neighbours such as Nupe, Ilorin, and Ibadan.

Lies to appease your soul... Go in if it lets you sleep... Haha..

I never see bribing warriors.. Lol

Cholls:
My brother you guys should settle out of court

U dey mad

TAO12:
Your lies repeated many times is still lies.

The only people who are killed to bury your oba are his Edo wives and his Edo slaves-subjects.

You are a slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. Aren’t you? His children also go about killing any Edo they come across in the streets. [Ask me for references].

Ogedengbe was appeased with many gifts and more slaves than he planned to capture.

He was literally begged by your Oba so he can leave and not approach towards the palace.

Lol, are you saying that lies to appease me or yourself


Why would ogendebge not just conquer the whole edo north and have the full edo north population as slaves and have numerous gift from the land

Definitely the whole edo north will be more than the slaves the oba would have offered...


Please stop making me laugh... I never heard in history were a warrior was bribed into summision

Cookup another lies this time use a woman as source the ogendebge distraction from benin



And again samuel johson a Yoruba historian in 1897 made it know that the name ijebu was from the benins who took the jebus as sacrafical slaves and when the benins dumbed them in the river for sacrificial puropse the water makes the 'tubu' sound and hence the name ijebu was coined


Tao11 the Yoruba obsessed transgendered, you obsession is coming from the fact we benins ruled over the aworis the tribe you claim you came from and we bins take pride over it on net and you disliked us for it, so you channel your hate to destroy the benins history but only ended up disgracing your people the more from the wrought of my hands

Benin was a world power in Nigeria as a whole up to the north.. You better swallow this and know peace bro

TAO12:
Eeerrm, sorry!

The article didn’t talk about Edo fringes. It talks about Benin kingdom. Ogedengbe ransacked Owan and Etsako.

And the Oba of Benin had to appease him out of town with rich gifts, slaves, etc.

Peace!

Owan and estako they are both in edo North..

You mean the oba appeased lol sre you telling such lies to appease your obsessed ego

Lol, he appeased him with slaves who does that when he initially came to raid for slaves.
...

When he could conquer the whole edo north and get what he needed in folds......

Lol, you're clown

Ogendegbe fled like a goat when he heard the oba of benin wanted his head, he didn't even penetrate into edo central(esan)

The Yorubas should have also bribed Benin too when the Benins took them for slaves and cut the heads of the Yoruba slaves to bury the oba of benin

TAO12:
Your first screenshot shows the opinion of a Bini man as related to a foreigner. And that is supposed to be a historical fact?? LMAO!

Your second screenshot which claims that Oyo lost a section of Eastern Yoruba frontier to Benin is actually a claim which goes back to a Benin source.

Check the footnote 70 and thank me later. Prof. R. C.C. Law knew exactly what he was doing.

It is all one-sided, self-serving claims of greatness by Binis themselves.

Know truth as shown in my attachment below.

The ibadans and nupe raided edo fringes around edo north which was far from Benin they raided it for slaves, soon as words got to the oba of Benin that edo north was been raided he dispatched a general at esan to drive off the raiders and they fled back to ibadan.
Ogedengbe the leader of the ibadan raiders after fleeing edo north continued is raiding in yoruba towns until he was capture by the britsh and imprisoned like a criminal that he was and later hung for his atrocities

TAO12:
Tell a new lie, and get a new refutation. LMAO!

By the way, why did you steal my screenshot ?? ?? You mean say the thing pain you reach bone ??

I am a real disgrace to gregboy myself , family and friends.

A yoruba-child is born = A loser in life is born.

Thought as much

Hmm

TAO12:
(1) History works are usually much longer.

(2) They are strictly for those who are capable of using their brain.

(3) Come back here whenever the ban on your brain has been lifted by your oba.

(4) Your oba is a Yoruba man, and he is subservient to the great overlord at Ife.

(5) Get mad if you can.

Patch patch historian history is not patch patch or jabber jabber, history flows


Lol, i have debunked everything you put up there before even the artifact am not going to be doimg it again


Not when you dont bring something new

Tao11 bring something new to the table

Stop cutting corners. Lol

Think4Myself:

See epistle full of lies
Get a life

As usual na patch patch

TAO12:
You [s]Benins are actually too foolish to be ignored. Ignoring you means, to you, that you’ve stated facts. Jokers.

Crowther is not a historian, he is a linguist. He didn’t write a Yoruba history book. His books are generally grammar books, dictionary, etc. being a linguist.

Although he sometimes set aside introductory notes to Yoruba creation stories as well as Oyo kingship (being from Osoogun), and this introductory notes usually takes roughly 3% of the entire pages.

A sane mind wonders then how the next thing on his mind to write about (in a books of language) would be Ife-Benin connection. You’re hoplessly delusional.

Moreover, Mr. Cyril Punch who toured Yoruba cities and was also in Benin wrote in his 1889 Journal that:

“As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. There was no wealth, nor was there even power, except the power of the influence of fetish, and the sense of the spirit of a long past of atrocities, which, if not supernatural, were at any rate unnatural to a degree which is indescribable. I remember the return of two of Miller Brothers' men from a visit they paid to Benin after I had been there. They arrived at Guatun one evening, and showed plainly in their faces the mental strain that their visit had been to them.”

As for the Ife ‘bronze’ sculptures, the quotation here (is from an academic, expert, and professional Art Historian) shows IFE on the same pedestal as Greek, Rome, and Egypt.

“[The Ife sculptures] would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer”.

~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

No such comparison with the great arts of the world is recorded for Benin. Show me one

——————
Regarding the father-Ife/son-Benin classic connection, refer again to the following comments for a harsh reminder (and some trauma) which you were earlier on being endowed with:

This is not true.

Eyewitness testimony/writings from the late-1400s & early-1500s which references the monarch of the Ife kingdom & his suzerainty over Benin kingdom exist.

NB: Yes, there used to be a debate in academia in the 1970s/1980s (between the mainstream scholars on one hand; and one, two, or three others on another hand) over the identity of this suzerain.

This debate was particularly on the usage of the word “east” in those early writings.

In present time, however, there is no single academic historian who holds the notion that this suzerain (of the early writings) is other than the Ooni of Ife [i.e. Ọ̀ɣọ̀ni Ufẹ̀ in the Ife dialect of the Yoruba language].

The symbol ⟨ɣ⟩ being the voiced velar fricative with its consonant sound as in this audio sample.

This conclusion is reinforced by the fact that no king, throughout the Guinea Forest of West Africa matches the specific sacral details given in those early writings, except the Ooni of Ife.

In addition to this significant fact, the debate over the word “east” was subsequently quelled by the fact that from Atakpame (in present-day Togo) to the kingdom of Benin (in present-day Nigeria), from Èkó (next to the Atlantic Ocean) to Ọ̀yọ́-Ilé (not far from the Niger River) Ife is known by the interesting epithet: Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá — i.e. “the place from where the sun rises”.

For some written references to the widespread usage of this epithet (in reference to Ife) among the natives of this region of West Africa, please refer to:

(A) Rev. D. Hinderer, “Diary Impression,” June 4, 1851, Ibadan, C.M.S.

(B) R. Horton (1979), p. 89., citing B. Maupoil (1943), A. Akinjogbin (1967:41-43), R. Smith (1969:31), as well as A. Obayemi (1976:206).

This reverential (rather than literal) epithet of Ife informed the literalist Europeans’ writings whose source(s) are Benin spokespersons of their king.

Hence the appearance of the word “east” in the early European writings in reference to the kingdom of the Ọ̀ɣọ̀ni (who is transliterated in the early writings as “Hooguanee”, “Ogané”, etc.).

Side Note: Binis, till today, still sometimes refer to the Ooni as Oghene. Refer to the entry “ɔɣɛnɛ” (i.e. “ọghẹnẹ”) in Hans Melzian’s “A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” where its second definition is given as: “Bini name for the ↄni at Ile Ife”

Moreover, another piece of historical evidence which quelled the academic debate on the word “east” (as is seen in the early writings in reference to this overlord) are early maps.

There are maps (e.g. from the early 1500s) which show the phrase Dominion of the Orguene annotated across the western half of today’s Nigeria.

These historical information leaves anyone (not only the historians) with the only logical conclusion that the appearance of the word “east” in those early writings is of course not literal.

In conclusion, contrary to your ignorant assumption, there are writings from the early 1500s (on the basis of interviews of Bini representatives in the late 1400s) which references the king of Ife & his overlordship on Benin kingdom and other places.

Apart from early writings, there are other types of historical evidence which also establish clearly that there exist a classic (i.e. pre-1800) father & son relationship between Ife & Benin respectively.

These other type of historical evidence which I come to here are classical artifacts from the hard science of archaeology. One crucial examples in this regard is discussed below.

The artifact shown in this link is the image of an Ooni of Ife. ~ S. P. Blier, “Art in Ancient Ife,” 2012, Figure 17.

The Ife naturalism of this artifact, its facial striations, as well as its classical Ife ceremonial costume and the pair of chest ornament help art historians (as well as Benin chroniclers alike) with identifying this image as an Ooni of Ife.

What is very, very crucial here is that this artifact was found in the archaeological deposits of Benin. To be more precise, it was excavated from the royal palace of Benin kingdom.

Furthermore, the production date of this artifact has now been established by science. This artifact is dated, by thermoluminescence technique, to the year 1420 [± 60 years].

~ Calvocoressi & David, “A New Survey of Radiocarbon and Thermoluminescence Dates for West Africa,” 1979, p. 19.

For more pictorial angles (and details) regarding this particular artifact, please refer to:

(A) W. Fagg, “A Bronze Figure in Ife Style at Benin,” British Museum, June 1950, Plate Fa, Fb, Fc

(B) F. Willett, “Ife in the History of West African Sculpture,” McGraw-Hill, 1967, Figure 89.

(C) C. Adepegba, “The Descent from Oduduwa,” 1986, Plate 4.

In other words, a more-than 500-year-old ‘bronze’ cast of an Ooni Ife was discovered in the (archaeological deposits of the) palace of Benin kingdom.

In conclusion, it thus becomes clear that there exists a classical (i.e. pre-1800) father & son relationship between Ife & Benin respectively.

Again, this conclusion which I have inevitably reached is not mine. This is simply the conclusion of historical scholarship. This can be seen in the following works:

A. Akinjogbin (1967), F. Willett (1973), R. C. C. Law (1973), R. Horton (1979), A. Obayemi (1980), R. Smith (1988), B. Adediran (1991), D. Bondarenko (2003), S. A. Akintoye (2010), A. Ogundiran (2020), et al.

A beautiful summary of this conclusion of scholars of
African history (some of whose names and works are listed above) is shown in the page below from Adam Knobler (2016), p.47.

Peace!

PS: (1) Omonoba (king’s child) Akenzua II visited Ooni of Ife at Ife.

Not because the Ooni was having a party, but because Akenzua himself just became Benin king.

(2) Omonoba (king’s child) Erediauwa (i.e. Akenzua II’s successor) also visited Ooni of Ife at Ife.

Not because the Ooni was having a party, but because Erediauwa himself just became Benin king.

(3) Omonoba (king’s child) Ewuare II (i.e. Erediauwa’s successor) also visited Ooni of Ife at Ife.

Not because the Ooni was having a party, but because Ewuare II himself just became Benin king.
The three of them were so humble in the presence of their father & overlord.

Who born monkey[/s]?

Who they breathe... Lol


Tao11 dey breathe lies

One thing about lies you have to cover it up with more lies to make it sound like truth
So at the end of the day.. You will end up with a long epistle because of patch patch...


Every yoruba monarch called ile ife by its name and called the ooni by is title ooni
But somehow the benins called it differently
And not even similar.. But Tao11 is patching things up for me to believe by force


Tao11 i really don't have time for your rubbish

We benins ruled the entire lagos and tumbled on the entire yorubaland

And yet our wasn't yoruba... That's were the pain comes from

TAO12:
IFE is roughly about 174 miles away from Benin City.

However, the alleged distance of 900 miles is NOT mentioned anywhere in the text.

Instead, the distance between Benin City and the Ogane’s place [as given in the text] is 250 leagues.

However, this number (250 leagues) wasn’t obtained (by the Portuguese) from any Bini informant. This fact is extremely clear from the text itself.

In fact, the Binis who lived in the 1400s/1500s did not measure distance in leagues, miles, etc. As such, they couldn’t have given such information.

Instead, the Binis of the 1400s, 1500s, etc. measured distance in natural terms, e.g. on the basis of celestial bodies such as the Moon, etc.

Interestingly, the distance obtained from the Binis by the Portuguese was given in terms of the Moon. This is given in the text.

The Binis informed the Portuguese that it takes twenty (20) moons journey to go from Benin city to the Ogané’s place.

It was on the basis of this received information (i.e. 20 moons journey away) that the Portuguese imagined what the distance in “leagues” should be.

The distance in leagues was NOT received from the Binis. The text is clear on this. The W/African context is also clear on this.

Having said that, the natural question now becomes:

Is this number (20 moons journey from Benin City to the Ogane’s place) realistic for IFE if it is indeed the Ogane’s place??

In other words, could the distance from Benin City to Ile-Ife possibly have been twenty moons journey in some “traditional” terms? Let’s do the Maths on the basis of average numbers & the “traditional” context.

The data to be used for the Math is NOT on the basis of Google map’s algorithm which assumes a walking trip with zero tiredness, zero rests, zero stops, zero pauses, zero relaxations, zero camps, constant rapid pace, etc.

Instead, the data to be used is on the basis of the real life situation, average numbers, & traditional context.

Datum 1: C. G. Okojie’s “Ishan Native Laws and Customs,” p. 210. provides the first data as follows:

The walking trip from Uromi (in Ishan) to Benin City on a course of some 50 miles “traditionally” took an average of 5 months.

~ Cited in A.F.C. Ryder (1965), p.27.

Datum 2: IFE is roughly about 174 miles away from Benin City (even over the ancient Benin-Owo-Ife route).

These two data leave an answer of about 17.4 months [NOT moons] as the “traditional” walking time from Benin to Ife.

In other words, IFE is 17.4 months journey away from Benin city on the average “traditionally”.

Question: How many “moons” are 17.4 months equivalent to? To answer this, two pieces of data will be adduced.

Datum 3: It takes the Moon 27.322 days to go around the earth.

In other words, there are [exactly] about 27.322 days in one “moon”.

Datum 4: There is an average of 30.47 days in one month.

Summary:
(1) The “traditional” walking distance from Benin to Ile-Ife took an average of 17.4 months

(2) 17.4 months are equivalent to 530.178 days (i.e. 17.4 months * 30.47days per month).

(3) 530.178 days are equivalent to 19.4 moons (i.e. 530.178 days / 27.322 days per moon).

In conclusion, the facts and figures turn out to prove that the “traditional” trip from Benin city to Ile-Ife took an average of 19.4 moons.

This answer is therefore astoundingly accurate for all practical intents and purpose.

From this again, we see that Ife is indeed the place of the Ogané of the Portuguese text. The Bini informant knew exactly what he was talking about.

PS: References to this great overlord (to whom Benin obas are subservient) is documented not once, not twice, not thrice by independent Europeans; but at least five separate times spanning centuries prior to the 1800s.

Peace!

Ghostwon as disproved this before... Lol


Lets do it again in the simplest way not in any calculation up there


The benin said the location of oghnene nuhe is
East and not west


Ife lies in west.... And not east


So why all those japper japper you put up there as calculation

TAO12:
Nope!

A “Benin-child” is born = A “loser-in-life” is born.

But things are changing lately. See attached.

I thought Etinosa1234 have seen the light...

Anyway since youre now depending on benin
People as source of evidence then we have delt a big blow to your lying machines, that youre now result in using benins as evidence

Lol

TAO12:
No! Your Benin brothers are mere testimonies (I know that’s a very big word for you) to the fact that historical facts, truth, etc. can still have its way through a Benin skull regardless of the ban on brain usage by your oba.

Youre looser.....


And a talkative

samuk:


I understand your pain and emotional outburst. I wouldn't have expected less from you, not after I have exposed the politics behind the Benin/Ife connection fairytale . Take it easy, you didn't really believe that the truth will be hidden forever, do you.

The situation is so bad that you now rely on comments from Benin people on nairaland as evidence to support your fairytale. You are now like a broken record that repeats itself. Meanwhile I am chipping away what's left in your Benin/Ife fallacy.

I have already shown the relationship between Benin and Yoruba in the earlier part of this thread.

The relationship was filled with blood of many Yoruba traditional rulers that were beheaded by successive Obas of Benin before 1897. But after 1897, the story changed, it was as if Benin didn't have history pre 1897. It was as if Benin began a new dynasty after oba Ovonramwen.

Benin automatically became Yoruba relatives. Benin princes even started bearing Yoruba names, meanwhile, no Benin prince had Yoruba name in the previous 900 years, people started writing stories/lies to cement this new found relationship, forgetting that the Europeans have been painstakingly documenting Benin history for over 400 years.

I asked for evidence were the oba of benin was praised in yoruba names, prior to 1897

Or prior to oba ewuare 11, to make it easier

TAO12:
And it was never my fault that samuk’s brain is under lock and keys.

Visit these comments of mine again, samuk, whenever your oba lifts the ban he placed on the use of brain.

It was never my fault that samuk failed Maths basic arithmetic at school — hence his PTSD from Math.

In any case, your people who can read and who know some arithmetic have been following my comments, and their testimonies are attached below.



PS: References to this great overlord (to whom Benin obas are subservient) is documented not once, not twice, not thrice by independent Europeans; but at least five separate times spanning centuries prior to the 1800s.

Peace!

So our benin brothers is now your historians you quote.. Lol

samuk:


The word treaty itself is a foreign word to us. I suppose they are referring to some sort of agreement between the Oba and some/a powerful chief or even a prince of the royal household.

It's quite possible that the Oba would have entered into many of such peaceful agreements when he was unable to use force to have his ways.

The history of Edayi n' Iken or Edaiken of Uselu is one of the numerous internal conflicts from internal rivals the past Oba had to find ways to overcome.

Iken was said to be a powerful figure in Uselu who the Oba of Benin wasn't comfortable with and he was sent on a war with eastern Yoruba. It was said that unknown to Iken, the Oba instructed some Benin soldiers who accompanied Iken on the war to ensure Iken doesn't return alive.

After successfully prosecuting the war and on their way back to Benin, Iken was murdered, the rumour of his murder got to his supporters in Uselu. His Uselu people threatened to attacked Benin, the Oba sent a message to them that Iken wasn't dead and he will returned back to them as soon as the war was over.

An agreement was reached in which the Oba sent his first son and heir to Uselu, only to be returned back to Benin whenever Iken returns. On the demise of the Oba and as Iken was yet to return back to Uselu, the Oba heir is escorted back to Benin and the next heir is sent back to Uselu to continue to hold Iken's place.

Back to the Ekiokpagha treaty, I very much doubt that this treaty/agreement have anything to do with Ife. The reason for my doubts is simply the fact that Ife didn't appear in Benin history until the end of the Benin empire in 1897. Ife wasn't either in Benin oral history none can it be found in the history of Benin that were documented by European eyewitnesses.

Everything to do with Ife was created and written after 1897. Ife was inserted into Benin history after 1897 for the mutual political benefits of the Oba of Benin and Yoruba who were looking for rich history such as that of Benin to give some prestige to the Yoruba tribe that largely lack history before 1826.

Benin/Ife relationship was a politically created history after 1897. This is why there are hardly any concrete and convincing evidence to support such relationship pre 1897.

If Benin had any relationship with Ife pre 1897, our oral history would have been littered with it. It would have also been documented by the Europeans.

The reference to Ekiokpagha treaty was just to add flavour to this fairytale.

After the British destroyed Benin in 1897, they also wanted to end the present dynasty but failed in this aspect. Some Benin nobles and princes started this fairytale relationship with Ife for the survival of the dynasty. As soon as Nigeria got independence from Britain and midwestern region pulled out of western region, the Benin/Ife narrative changed. Oduduwa that was created from Yoruba myths in 1897 changed to Izoduwa.

Those that are seriously interested in true history of Benin should find European eyewitness accounts written in just 1800s, no need to go far back. Read Button accounts when he interviewed Oba of Benin in 1865, there was a clear distinction between Yoruba and Benin people. Read Hughes 1826 encounter with the Alaafin of Oyo, again, another clear distinction was made between Benin and Yoruba.

How many of the 39 obas of Benin before they were recently increased to 40 had Yoruba names. Why will Oba of Benin be Yoruba and not bear Yoruba names. The biggest identifier of Yoruba people anywhere in the world is their names which they are very proud of. Yoruba only started appearing in the royal household starting from oba Eweka 2. How many of Ovonramwen children had Yoruba names.

Benin share far more commonality in names with the Igbos than with the Yorubas.

1. Ugo (name of ugbe village)
2. Isi
3. Iken
4. Izu
5. Agboghidi (obi of Onitsha traditional title)
6. Udo (name of Onitsha revered shrine)
7. Okoro
8. Eze
Etc.

The relationship Benin had with Yoruba before 1897 is not different from the relationship Benin had with Igbos because Benin is situated between these tribes and Benin expanded in all directions.

If you are one of those that have not be able to read the history of Benin earlier than 1897, it's very easy for you to be fooled that Benin or atleast the Oba of Benin is Yoruba but as soon as you read earlier than 1897 you begin to see the lie.

The ekiokpagha treaty has nothing to do with ife thats something i dont need to be told and thats why the ogiemeien family will keep failing in court cases against oba because they dont even the correct they are fighting for....

The ekiokpagha treaty also has nothing to do with Ekaladerhan..


The ekiokpagha treaty could be one of the Civil wars that happened years after Eweka...

There was so many treaty of peace in benin

The treaty oba ozulua had with the esan
The esan gbe do
The treaty with iken
The treaty with udo

And so many more

And this are all indigenous treaties

So why is ogiemien own different

Maybe the struggle was a tussle to control the entire benin could be there was two kingship in benin.... The ogietor and ogiemien both kings fought themselves and a treaty was reached for peace and only uniting both kingdoms could bring peace...


But one thing is sure non of the benin royal entity had anything attached with the yorubas the benins constantly used the yorubas as sacrificial lambs, no element of benin royak title or worship trace anything to yorubas

theTranscriber:
igodomigodo and eshan are Biafrans?
lol
eboes won't cease to be foolish
gregyboy see this idiot

Nothing when person nor go see for nairaland
Everybody na historian, even igboo sellers

If anybody sees anything like ekiokpagha treaty in any old document let us know...

I feel personally ekiokpagha treaty is a peace treaty made by arohuan and esigie..


Samuk
Etinosa1234
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UGBE634:
The fact is who is Edo or not is not for him to decide, it was bestowed on me by my ancestors not him. I am not even from the stock that migrated here, I am from Ugo, I am pure Edo. The Oba himself knows he is Yoruba, how would a man contend in a land that is his. The Ekiokpagha treaty is the greatest deciding factor for me

Ekioghigba treaty is an indigenous treaty and has nothing to do with yoruba


We really don't know the history of ekiogoba treaty, the palace is hiding the true history



The ekiokpagha treaty assocaiting oba of benin to ile is absolute fairytale


Benin in her long documented history has never one day referenced ife in her history or documentation


There is no trace of yoruba names or activites in the royal palace

How did ogiemien family know the oba of benin came from ife and not a village around benin


What i can say his the benins have rubbish their oen history with their own hands

The association of benin with ife began in the early 1900


There is no evidence of ekiokpagha treaty in the past and no evidence that the Oba of benin is from or neighbouring yoruba country


Samuk


I would need you to talk on this

TAO12:


https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/25#104790300

Lol, Ugbe is a yoruba man

Oduduwa was a female goddess in 1894 and transgended to a man in 1897

TAO12:


PS: References to this great overlord (to whom Benin obas are subservient) is documented not once, not twice, not thrice by independent Europeans, but at least five sepearate times spanning centuries prior to the 1800s.

Peace!

Only if the ooni of ife was really oghane n uhe

You wont br here trying to convince us to think otherwise

Ife is west oghene is east but tao11 says no..

That west means east and east means west... Lol

In my who life of reading yoruba history is only the benins that have called ooni of ife, oghene u uhe amongst all Yorubas kings... Lol that calls ooni as ooni

Is God not wonderful

That only the benins calls ooni of ife oghene n uhe amongst all other Yoruba kings...

I wonder why the oba benin could not know that is father name was ooni and not oghene


Tao11 can you help out

West is east and east is west

samuk:
Benin/Ife revisited

1. Benin was first visited by the Portuguese in the 1400s.
2. Various Europeans repeatedly visited and documented Benin history from the 1400s to 1897.
3. Benin empire was destroyed by British in 1897 and the Oba deposed to Calabar.
4. Between 1400 to 1897, a period of almost 500 years, nothing, Absolutely nothing was said/mentioned about Ife in Benin history.
5. Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were never mentioned in Benin eyewitness historical accounts.
6. The foremost Yoruba linguist Ajayi Crowder was said to have been born in 1809. He was captured and enslaved.
7. He returned back and started a mission in Nigeria in 1842 and started documenting Yoruba history.
8. He died in 1891.
9. In Ajayi Crowder lifetime, 1809 to 1891, Benin had five Obas. Five Obas of Benin reigned in Ajayi Crowder lifetime.
10. Five Obas of Benin died and five coronations of Obas of Benin were held in Ajayi Crowder lifetime.
11. Ajayi Crowder never mentioned Benin in connection with Ife. There is no eyewitness or hearsay from Ajayi Crowder that Benin had any relationship with Ife during his lifetime.

Evidence put forward in support of Benin/Ife relationship by preachers of Benin/Ife relationship before 1897.

12. The only evidence shamelessly provided so far by the preachers of Benin/Ife relationship is Organe.
13 Organe was said to have been mentioned in the history of Benin in the 1500s.
14. This Organe direction was given as east of Benin. Ife is west of Benin.
15. This Organe was said to be 900 miles from Benin, Ife is about 177 miles from Benin.
15. The travelling distance from this Organe was said to be 20 months from Benin. Ife is less that a day's journey from Benin.

Questions:

1. Why will Benin have relationship with Ife for over 800 years and not a single mentioned in the eyewitness documented history of either Benin or Yoruba for almost 500 years. Why not a single mention.
2. Why did Ajayi Crowder whose lifetime saw the reigns of the last five Obas of Benin before the end of the empire in 1897 not recorded or mentioned Benin/Ife relationship in his written works. Why didn't him mention this supposed very important relationship in his brief history of Yoruba.
3. Why were there no recorded interactions between Benin and Ife for almost 500 years.

Review of Organe evidence to support Benin/Ife relationship.

1. Even if Organe was Ife, why just one mention of this supposed fictional Ife in Benin history for a period of almost 500 years of documented history.
2. Apart from this one mention, there is absolutely no any other evidence put forward that Benin had anything to do with Ife before 1897.

Conclusion

It is safe to say that there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claims of Benin/Ife relationship before 1897.

The readers can Judge for themselves.

Nice one

Alphaman007:

They are not fantasies, they are real life situations. Humans have been recorded to take down Leopards, Cheetahs and pumas in some occassions. You Probably need to spend more time researching.

I never included lions, tigers and co.
Any fully grown man can take down a leopard when adrenaline kicks in, not without injuries.
Don't make assumptions, i never said leopards and co can't kill humans.
i just said it is possible for a full grown human to kill a leopard. Go figure.
And i guess you are the one spreading false narratives,

No cat whatsoever can take down a fully grown healthy Hippo or rhino even in some species of bears.

There is an Ethiopian tribe that haunt lions and almost extinct their lions

Etinosa1234:



Lol.. I doubt u have plans to reveal ur identity on nairaland

She is bluffing, she knows the benin-ife is a lie
She is just catching cruise debating us

Olu317:
Migrated from Near of Yoruba may look as fairytale but Yoruba DNA has shown that we cluster with ancestors from Morroco with 12.5 % and 4-19 % Neanderthal DNA from Europe and Near East.

Yoruba of Ijebu if claims origin from Near East is still inline. After all, Esan, Gambia Yoruba, Ewe, Mende in Sierra leone so little form of DNA link via intermarriages. So let Yoruba and face your minority Edo groups.

The African research is because of Yoruba history that has over 5000 research study on,which work taliies with Near East history ,which amazingly shock the Western world because they are looking for the myth as Yorubas.

You see, through genetic research ,Yoruba is gradually being classified as foreigners in their stronghold in Nigeria withhighlyt. Kindly face your minority Edo land and stop misleading yourself or others.

Funny, Bini has never been mentioned specifically on this genetic trend. While Esan has been mentioned .
Mind you, Edos women are highly traveled to European countries ,yet no information as regard this information. Guess what, the Yoruba ancestors were of iberomaursian in Morroco. Tell us, what were your ancestors history from world's perspective ?

We are aborigines, of our location, the original yorubas have been mixed with slaves from Cameroon and togo and co


Soon we will kick you guys and thr fulani off the Nigeria lands