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illicit:
Nawa 4u o

As expected people who are quick to read benin-ife controversy..... From net and feel that is history

I want you to back your point with proves from 1470 to 1914......


I know you are not benin you are Yoruba claiming benin

Omoregiek:
I disagree with you sir, your research should continue as you have only just touched surface of it, have a non biased mind, ile ibinu is not iteskiri language

Lol, it is what ife, talk is cheap


I see you're benin, nice i have been waiting for my own benin brother to disgrace too,
I will tell you is not a matter of been benin but a matter of truth
I hope you don't call me igbo at the end

As a benin man how many benin book have you read

Etinosa1234:
please How do u get this books

Go and read benin civil war by jstor...... It is noted in the article

AreaFada2:
Well, this is long established.

Benin made clothes were traded by Portuguese along South Western Coast of Africa and beyond. I remember a detailed record by the Portuguese of items Da Souza, the Queen of Ngola (now roughly Angola) clearly including expensive clothes from Benin empire alongside gold, silver and other precious items.

When you read something like that post it for easy accessibility for many who are doing research and also post the link too, dont just read and go, for those people who are doing research would make things easier for them
The last time i debated TAO11 on benin sewing clothes i lost because i didn't have articles to back it up,

The yorubas are cowards our ancestors bleeped them up drove thier kings into hiding clothed them civilized them and instead of saying thanks to the benin but instead they are busy forcing our king to be a Yoruba man, even after we gave them gun to kill themselves in the yoruba war and also used them as scrifical slaves to our ancestoral alters, am disappointed

Bunch of ancestoral cowards

Please let eveyone stop circlating this half baked benin-ife myth that wont go anywhere it never happened it was a misunderstanding taken too far it was never historically base, royal elite are using it for their political benefits, instead of joining them pick a benin history and research on the validity,

The benin-ife story is not historically based it was made up after 1914

If we all can relearn history all over again the better

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin ,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

Cowards our ancestors ruled you all while their generation are turning history upside down to make it look like the oba is from ife to hide their Shame

Clowning cowards.....

They took upon the name oba as their title at early 1930 to favour their stool by uplifting it historically......

They want to attach our history to theirs by force to make it relevant, ooh oba eweka shouldnt have
Made those statements making this clown to become historical test feasting clowns

Please come in here if you want to debate the fact that oba have a connection with ife

Both yorubas and benins who still believe in such
Fallacy should stage


Cc:Macof

Macof come in here let me use to kill cold, oba na yoruba my ass

I have done my research, on benin-ife controversy which emerged in 1914 only three people knows this truth on nairaland ghostwon who first pointed it out to me, he is benin by tribe and had read quite enough on benin historical books before he finally came to understand it was made up, then followed by me who after ghostwon pointed it out so i decided to go on my personal research too,
And i found the truth, lastly TAO11 a Yoruba lady who was so pissed up about we benins bragging on ruling her state lagos in ancient times and decided to read benin documents to get proves to justify that ife had really giving a king to benin but to her own surprise she also found out the controversy was made up too.....  funny but true
Before you come here and attack make sure you have done your research on benin-ife history atleast on both history on yorubas and benin both on full scale

Note: i will make a full detailed thread presenting the evidence when i gather enough for a standard research thread, and scholars on both history are free to attack my points, for it is not a matter of tribalism is a more of the truth

My findings


1).it is probably the itsekiri who called the benin the name ile binu unlike what the controversy made us believe i used probably, because it is a research work i carried out myself , from my findings the Portuguese had first come in contact with the itsekiri at the shores who told them their overlord were angry set of people and had called the edo people
Ile binu land of vexation which the Portuguese called bini

2) the first mention of benin to yoruba history was samuel johson an oyo man who was the first yoruba writter who had written the history of yoruba in 1897 he had wrote benin was a direct son of oduduwa oromiyan which he mentioned was the last born who happend to be a warrior and had fought all his life with people from other African country and northern Nigeria, and later he established oyo, he never mentioned oromiyan venturing to benin or conquering benin according to him every oduduwa son left to find his own kingdom
The question is why did Samuel johson include benin as Yoruba at early times, even when benin at those very times never had once identified its monarchy or the entire people as Yoruba samuel johnson as we know was present during the yoruba war which the British later put a stop to, he even made peace with the yoruba elite before the war began but the war started anyway, so he had wrote extensively on the war , he also wrote on benin influence in the war and how benin supplied guns to aid the various yorubas who fought themselves and also how benin military had to protect ekiti its vassal from oyo which benin came victorious, benin really didnt partake in the war apart fron selling weapons to the yorubas who foght themselves they only came in the war to aid ekiti her vassal which wss under the benin empire, so samuel johnson knew well about benins he also knew they weren't yorubas either, but included as oduduwa son either to promote is own book to the western countries who was fully aware about the then benin empire
, samuel johson book history of yorubas has been faulted too by various yorubas because he was too oyo centric in his writings and also wrote on mythicism,
The second person who linked benin to yoruba was oba eweka11, you wonder why he used is name sake for the conspiracy and excluded edo people as Yorubas but only linked the mornachy
Oba eweka 11 was a very diplomatic king who had ascended the throne at 1914, he tried to reconnect the empire after the fall while the other kings like onni of ife alafin of oyo were already on their throne making progress with the britsh, oba eweka got to ascend his father throne in the year 1914, he tried to connect the monarchy with yoruba people probably for ethnic benefits, he also made press statements to the British too on how the ooni was is father and even went to the ooni of palace and willingly partcipate in some Yoruba rituals, all this was done to attach the monarchy to yoruba, for ethnic gains due to the situation of benin at that very time he needed to do all that as a wise king, but those statements were for diplomacy and not historical facts, like what we were made to believe but over the years the controversy has been kept going for cultural and political benefits by our elite

3) ogiso was a myth told by the benins royal to make their stool Divine like they attributed it to a sky god who came to rule men but ogiso never really existed but rather what the benin really had was oba and ogiso tales were myth it was also told to make the benin look old

4) ekaladeran to ife was invented by oba Erediawa the original history of ekaladeran which was recorded by a British ethnographer at late 1800 noted ekaladeran was a banished prince who fought the benin army but it was never mentioned he went to ife or uhe but settled at ughoton, ogiemen he fought for the throne was ogiemen(king of sea) and not ogieamien intepreted as (its ogie we have in benin and not oba), as misinterpreted by scholars

5. Scholars has also noted the vast distinction of benin ife art and argued and also disagree on its origin from ife

6) the benin royalty dont wprship any deity in the palace the oba is a deity himself and bigger than the others if truly he was from ife, he must have allowed the worship of ifa, sango, ogun and the others in the palace

7) till 1914, there was no historical evidence from the benin people connecting it to ife written by Europeans or even the benin people, all inventions started after 1914

the kinglist taken by Europeans in late 1800 wasnt having oromiyan as a king or even tales of oduduwa in benin untill the early last century
You csn read up benin kinglist

fluteman:
This is proof that bini kingdom is an offshoot of the Yorubas. Also, this "oriki" shows that Odua was Originally from Ife, as it confirms the bini monarch as a son to Odua of Ife

You're mad man which oba is yoruba are you high

macof:
Where did I mention that in the post you are replying to?
Anyway I don't need to answer your question
You yourself know the origin of your oba. So come off it

Stop fooling yourself the story of benin-ife emerged after 1914 except you want to prove me wrong with proved dating from 15c to 1913

If you cant shut your trap oba has been the title of benin
The title ogiso is a mystical tales told by the benins to make their royalty divine there was never an ogiso... But oba

That is the kinglist taking by Roupell's 1899 a year after benin was invaded the king list never included oromiyan neither did Roupell's mentioned it in his book, after 1930s talbot took is own kinglist and included oromiyan, esekhure took is kinglist and absconded oromiyan

Bro our king never came ife stop priding your self
Ill gotten history

macof:
Benin City is a reserve of rich traditions and high reverence for the traditional monarch (Oba of Benin), who once led a powerful Empire.
One of such traditions is the habit of
addressing the Oba of Benin by various
appellations instead of his actual names as sign of deep respect and awe. It is no wonder, therefore, that the Oba of Benin
is known by several appellations.

Such appellations are:
Ovbi' Umogun Oza
The Child of the Oba whose mother hailed from Oza

Ovbi' Ekpen N' Owa
The son of the home leopard

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila

Ikeji Orisa
Second in command to the gods

Agbaghe, N'Ovbi Olokun
Olokun's son, the cynosure of all mortals

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

Ovbi' Ada, Ovbi' Eben
The child of the owner of the Ada =
scimitar and Eben = royal sword, Edo
symbol of sovereignty.

Ovbi'Ekenekene ma deyo
The son of beauty that never fades.

Ovbi'Ekuaho N'Olo, Ovbi'Ekuabo N'Olo
The son of the rocky arm, the brave and
powerful

Ovbie Ikpinhianbo kpuru no Gb'oduma
The son of the short fingered man that
was still able to kill a lion

Nohien utete no gh'ughe s'omwan
The king on a hill, who sees more than
everybody

Ovbi'Oghonwan nei bun aro
The son of the fearless, who looks
without twinkling his eyes

Ovbi'ode, ode n'ohan ren mu' ete
The son of the warrior whose enemies
got frightened at the announcement of
the approach

Uku Akpolokpolo
The mighty that rules

Ovbi' Adolo no dolo uwa dolo utomwen/b]
The son of the wise judge and peace
maker who combined wisdom and
wealth with long life
[b]
Ovbi' oven owie no gbaisi
The son of the morning sun that covers
everywhere

Ovbi' Akpogunla, ogie no y'igho b'owa
The child of the womb of Akpogunla - the
warrior who fought big wars and built a
house of cowries


Oba n'osa
A king that is god

Ovbi' otolo n'olomi; Ologberonmwon nei rie iruen, ebo, ayemwinre eminiminimini
The son of the water controller, the son
of beauty itself, the starter of things and
the person whose reign saw people with
many tongues


These appellation are in cognissance of
the greatness of the Omo n'oba ne edo,
the Oba of Benin.

Can you prove our oba is yoruba

fluteman:
This is proof that bini kingdom is an offshoot of the Yorubas. Also, this "oriki" shows that Odua was Originally from Ife, as it confirms the bini monarch as a son to Odua of Ife

Can you prove it

O. P our oba is not from ife he is a benin man

Hellraiser77:
We ikwerre have half Bini half Yoruba ancestry, Igbo is only a language we borrowed for awhile, we will return it after we learn our Bini/Yoruba language

Ikwerre has nothing to do with yoruba, cone headed fellow,
Ikwerre is a mixture of igbos and edo, igbo gets it wrong when dey include them totally as igbos without considering their edo halfs

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This post is to make benin history easily accessible, cc:gomojam
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Wtf77:
Translation in full:

"Captain Horsley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by pirates from ouyo; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."


@ Areafada, Gregyboy, Samuk, Davidnazee.

Very obviously the metropolis being talked about is Benin !
Macof why are you such a liar ?
For your info, "langue de terre" means : "very narrow peace of land". You don't speak French and your Google translation won't translate that, because it is an expression.
While discussing history with you guys yoruba, it always comes down to this: you must lie ! But why ? It is history, it has already happened, why try to create your alternate reality ?

For readers who only want the truth, the text is here for you, don't be lazy, translate it.

Also, when you see expressions like "langue de terre" you have to first look at its meaning in a French dictionary ( just type the expression on Google, it will should give you the meaning in French), then you translate the meaning into English.
Don't believe me, just do the work and don't be lazy.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou

Drop your evidence and walk away if they wont admit it, their children will be more liberal minded to, when dey get to see it.......
But if he still insist on dragging you out, dont fall for it, instead drag them out yourself to just yabbing on how cowardo their ancestors were to the benin people keep the insult up till dey whisk off with tears .....

Most yorubas here have not read benin history or even lagos history and may have not even visted lagos before but they make it mandatory to defend lagos, because its a Yoruba town just to keep their coward ego.....
Dont let it happen drag them out by their balls with blunt truth and make that ego of theirs worthless and behind their keyboard they will weep to have come from Yoruba .....

If they want to drag you to benin-ife controversy tell them to bring prove dating from 1487 to 1897 showing benin ife connection, if it really happened, if it was really not a mere diplomatic statement made by eweka11 after his ascension to the throne, if you keep doing this they will be scared to face you next time

Remember most yorubas here dont even know the history they are arguing for, some peeps are in ekiti defending lagos history when dey have not even visited or seen lagos in their own dream before, but are defending lagos from their phones because of tribalistic pride.....

Kim k seems to love Kanye, but Kanye is unstable
He needs a new soup ogbolor soup for that matter, anyway i pray this does not end in an entanglement

The guy looks like improper fraction, he would be looking better if he hit the jim once a year he is now looking more like Johnnie bravo

Osagyefo98:
My opinion remains the understanding of majority and world order.


What on earth will make a sane person claim yoruba kingdoms like Bini a d Itshekiri.... something that has its full relationship between both.


My submission is solely on similarities visible to this day.


No matter how we put it, it is just for the progress of Oduduwa republic.

You're not igbo that am sure now, until you identify your tribe without shaming about it, you would remain a sly to me..... If there was a block option on nairaland i wont be seeing your comment now,
Come clean and stop hiding your identity like coward,

Until then dont quote me again or you will regret it on nairaland

900winer:
gregyboy Etinosa1234 mummy don come since am a coward you guyz should be brave enough to come out


Aunty Tao OmoOlofin is here to lecture you guyz

You're calling on lady who is on a revenge simply because our ancestors displaced are own ancestors to the bush, and ruled over them

But i respect TAO11 she keeps sticking her head for all of you.... And she is well read than you mofos, am beginning to think the yoruba women are less a coward than the men

900winer:
Very well Mr. Historian is that why you kept creating different account to attack her from goshwon to prolog to logycs I will take you serious the day you tell me the meaning of Oba in Edo

You need to know the history before you debate

900winer:
She already counter all those shits on previous thread and if you are not satisfied she will soon be here wait till she comes
TAO11

Mugu, and you not even ashamed, you have nothing upstairs on what you are arguing on but you just want to argue to elevate your tribal ego

The funny thing is not know the history of your people i even know the Yoruba history better than you, but despite noth knowing any of this two history you still want to debate people who knows it better.....


You be oborobo man instead of arguing history with you i will be dragging you out to show are ignorant you are on both history


A must defendi of yoruba tribe


You're disgrace to TAO11

Etinosa1234:
The mumu wey nor even know the meaning of ooni or alaafin

Most historian i came to meet on nairaland i revered before now, am beginning to see they were never knowledgeable because despite what dey knew, they failed to relearn what they have learnt


Everybody should relearn what they have leaent before, life is all about relearn this ife-benin story is not historical it was made up from 1914 upward

900winer:
I know what you are trying to do here but it not workin and it does not change the fact that Oba doesn't mean shit in Edo language

Lol, a coward of books

What will stop you from researching dont worry i will do it for you

Imagine shouting nepa has brought the electricity kini matcheew op you get sense


Nepa has brought the light biko

900winer you be oborobo, in nigige voice.

I can easily tell the history you know is just benin-ife narrative wrote by people to stare your ego and you have never gone deeper to research

900winer:
gregyboy the funny man TAO11 schooled you and yet you keep shouting conspiracy even with research done by same Europeans you kept mentioning and you said it false because it doesn't suit your claim on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/ you guyz said N'oba means shinning and now you said Oba means king and shinning one how come? How can you claim a word that has no meaning in you language

Lol, TAO11 is a better learned person than any yoruba in this forum when it comes to benin history, the rest yorubas are cowards to benin history even to their yoruba history,

You dont even know pinch on benin history all you know is the conspiracy history between benin-ife, you all goggle for your ego benefits we benins keep bringing proves but you all keeps bringing what does oba mean in benin even we bring proves to that you guys makes us beat round the bush to make the argument go on
you all wont just stop attaching your history to us...... If benin were other minor tribe una for don integrate them as Yoruba tey tey but we aren't we are minorites with difference


Nigga you haven't started crying because the bigger bomb will be dropped by me....

Instead of arguing blindly on who own the word oba you should save that time and invest it to ascertain benin and ife validity.....


You fear to relearn sit and research for once and stop talking on ignorance

Tao11 is taking a chill wereever she is because she have learnt truth about the conspiracy that benin and ife never existed

Dont make me talk you have nothing new to bring to the table.... If i could argue with TAO11 who has read benin history back and forth then you that have not read any book and article makes me angry when you are drawing me out


You have nothing to offer rather than asking the meaning of oba in benin, you know nothing about
Benin or even yoruba history am currently doing a complete research on yoruba history,

Nigga just go you be oborobo, you should off your mic


You have nothing upstairs,


I will school you little, the word oba is indigenous to benin and the name was a mythical king tales of ogiso in ancient benin was frictional told by d royalties to make their stool divine so actually there was no mythical oromiyan coming to form d oba dynasty the word oba entered yoruba lexicon from benin people

The etymology of the world oba is from the full title omo n'Oba nedo ukwakpolopolo meaning
The child that shines for the entire edo people and the giantic one, and not the yorubas misinterpretation the son of the king
As benin ventured into the lands of ancestoral cowards dey established their rule and do the word oba was quickly incorporated into their lexicon to them they only knows the word oba as king for benin monarchs but they didnt know its etymology

The word oba was shortened by Europeans for easy pronunciation our benin parent's still call the oba as omo n'oba or omo n'ba nedo especially called by elders when referring to him in their statement while we the young call him oba

The painful truth is your ancestors were cowards who didnt archieve anything in the past and the new generation are not achieving anything too because they cant see beyond pleasing their fellow coward masters from the north who d britsh used as puppets too for their dirty works and later sold their well schooled islamic scholars as slaves despite them priding being a scholar

Anyway if you're bold to research benin history you will find out there was really no king coming from ife to rule benin

900winer:
You are confusing yourseft

You said Oba means shining one and still go on to say it means king even though there is no such thing has Oba in Edo language well i don't care as long as you agree Yoruba didn't copy it from anybody

Very funny person, wait for my thread in months to come, i will expose about the ife benin-conspiracy, formulated by the elite...

Have you even done research on this history youre even arguing on, you all are the promoters of the conspiracy

The truth is benin-ife never happened

Obs is indigenous to benin and borrowed by yorubas

900winer:
gregyboy i know you are behind that Sanity33 monica please don't change the subject, tell us the meaning of Oba in Edo language the last time we asked you said it shine but your Sanity33 monica said it king of kings abeg which is which?

cc macof, illicit

Oba has been indigenous to edo,

The full title is omo no oba nedo ukwakpolopolo
The short form is omonoba or oba

Oba means king in benin

Etymology : i. E the history of the word oba is shinning one

The title ogie is royalty


Benin-ife never happened


If you want to arugue this bring your evidences from 15c from the European arrival to 1897 till d empire ended then wen can discuss


Our oba is of benin origin it had to relationship with ife, dont argue it with me