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MinorityOpinion:
I'm not yoruba but read about oyo calvary. Yoruba made use of calvary. Google is your friend. Come back and prove me wrong.

Is it buy reading about it, what of it was made up


Lets imagine oyo had calvary

What about ife did you if ife had......


My friend not everything you see you post....

Oyo never calvary because it was written doesnt make it correct......
Unless you can prove it....
This days people are rewriting thier history to make it presentable, but we wont give them chances, history must not be altered

AreaFada2:
Lol. What did Zik's grandmother have to gain by fabricating Benin origin over 100 years ago?
What did Zik have to gain by writing it in his book in 1970?
Nothing but simply to say the truth as they knew it. People of that generation were a million times more honest and truth seeking than the bitter and tribalistic ones we have today.

Yea i kind off agree, in those times tribalism was not a big deal..... Unlike this present
And the old lady probably didnt even attend schoils that we will say influence her thoughts
Onitsha people in anambra are branch of anioma people in the niger delta.....

Juliusmalema:
The Edo people feared that their country would fall into chaos, so they asked their neighbour, the King of Ife, for help. The king sent his son Prince Oranmiyan to restore peace to the Edo kingdom.
Oranmiyan chose his son Eweka to be the first Oba of Benin. Eweka was the first in a long line of Obas, who reached the peak of their power in the 1500s.

So Yorubas are the ones ruling Bini to this day.

Noted.

Stupid talk we have no connection with any ife

Tho We had nconnections with the other yorubas on a matter conquered and conqueror, the influence on edo in those areas can still be traced
Not the imaginary ife



Oduduwa is a myth nothing like Oduduwa ever existed


How would another kingdom go and beg for king from another people is that not madness
Better still just say benin migrated from ife

I would you call that artwork oromiyan did you even reason if yorubas by chance make use of calvary......

O. P is simply a Yoruba bigot.....

MinorityOpinion:
This hold little to no significance to the topic. Kindly revisit.

What are you saying, is like you didn't read the article you posted.... Yourself

MinorityOpinion:
Source:https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zpvckqt/articles/z3n7mp3

There was never oromiyan that brass is not oromiyan ife never used calvary


That artwork was probably representing a nupe man or igalw or even fulanis


The Fulanis at one time attacked edo north, and edo central which the benin military succeeded in chasing them out,
After a war benin depict thier enemies warrior for historical purpose.......


Please stop posting history because you read so

Benin-ife connection was made up....

MinorityOpinion:
The kingdom of Benin began in the 900s when the Edo people settled in the rainforests of West Africa. By the 1400s they had created a wealthy kingdom with a powerful ruler, known as the Oba. The Obas lived in beautiful palaces decorated with shining brass.

Gradually, the Obas won more land and built up an empire. They also started trading with merchants from Europe.

For 200 years Benin was very successful, but in the 1600s the Obas started to lose control of their people. By the 1800s Benin was no longer strong or united. The kingdom came to a sudden end in 1897, when a British army invaded and made it part of the British Empire.

How did the kingdom begin?

Around the year 900 groups of Edo people began to cut down trees and make clearings in the rainforest. At first they lived in small family groups, but gradually these groups developed into a kingdom.

The kingdom was called Igodomigodo. It was ruled by a series of kings, known as Ogisos, which means ‘rulers of the sky’.

In the 1100s there were struggles for power and the Ogisos lost control of their kingdom.

The Edo people feared that their country would fall into chaos, so they asked their neighbour, the King of Ife, for help. The king sent his son Prince Oranmiyan to restore peace to the Edo kingdom.

Oranmiyan chose his son Eweka to be the first Oba of Benin. Eweka was the first in a long line of Obas, who reached the peak of their power in the 1500s.

There was never oromiyan stop that trash myth



See another benin greatness

Togo national university is name after benin empire

TAO11:
Benin Kingdom is under intellectual attack. Surrender!!!!!!!!!!


Okay, listen I will only stop debunking you and others like you only on one condition.

....

You're not debunking anything nothing, seriously nothing your argument have made us discover our true history, thats what you keep doing.....
Helping us debunking the ife-benin myth.....



You need help truly you do i pray that you're a guy behind this moniker if truly you're a female am sorry it wont end well with this your tongue.....

TAO11:
Is this the best you can do to defend Benin Kingdom from intellectual attack??

Stop quoting me or mentioning me everytime gregyboy going all around nairaland bad mouthing me.......

Since your mouth is fire you will one day use that same mouth to spit fire on your husband if you don't watch it

How would a human beings be so, so abusive during a simple argument

You need to chill you're just a pyscho no sane humans will be this abusive to someone he just meant online.....

Youre indeed partially insane......

This is the best that you will be getting from me
Cautioning you in your firey tongues, before you use them to kill your children and your husband

Indeed the benins are really great

TAO11:
Shut up your lying smelly wide rotten mouth!

Etymology, has nothing peculiarly to do with writing.

You think everyone here is as foolish as gregyboy who lick up your hairy stenchy dirty butthole?

Africans somehow have no clue what their own words mean, unless it's written on some paper.

What can be more ridiculous!?

You're a big fool,

I have done my best to keep my distance but yoy keep dragging me with you and throwing tantrum at me did i take your husband
We are simply arguing here........

I dont know why you keep bringing insult, and why you're so pained you go around all thread bad mouthing me......

See dont get me vexed...... Stop quoting me and stop replying me.......

If you insult me again you will forever be insulting your husband and your family till this your bad mouth will eventually kill you amen

The name omo n' oba n'igodo ukwakpolopolo ”the child that shines for the igodomigodo people and the only great one"
This was the original title of the king of benin before it was igodo was later replaced by the word edo after the time of oba ewuare

It later shortened into omo n' oba( the child that shines) for easy pronouncing later in shortened to be oba by the Portuguese.....

The African kings of olds used to have lengthy names most of this names where like sentences

So calling the king of benin oba does not not reflect his full name and i bet the title omo n' oba n'godo ukuakpolopolo cannot be a Yoruba word or sentence
Because even the word oba in the title meant shinny and not king as the yorubas intend it to be...... Since the yorubas were third party callers of the word oba they felt the word oba meant king since it was representing a king in benin


Today the edo people can still agree with me the older ones still refer to the benin king as omo n' oba when having a discussion about him....

The word oba which the Portuguese shortened to refer to the oba was later introduced to the vassal yoruba state who later adopted it and begslan including in the title for kings while been adrsssed.....

It should be noted the benin people have a good number if edo indigeenes all over yoruba areas it installed its monarchy the edo kings in yoruba areas should be more than 30 some were even lost and yorubanised.


Edo people know your history.......

Dont let the conquered tell you they installed thier kings in your stoool

Egharevba was a benin historian who had first weote about orun oba ado out of myth when the site were dugged by nothing was found
Inside......

OgboAto:
Permit me to add these.

Please give me the link.........


Is it not thesame Roupell's list Ryder quoted and oromiyan was found in the king list

Maybe this is a different Roupell's

TheGodlessGod:
what are you even saying? Benin people are among the oldest in Western Africa. Don't downgrade us abeg..

And horses are won in battles and Edo people were mostly battle people

So do you mean benin people couldnt have one time had a migration from thier original birthplace..........

Am doing my research so as other scholars dont come here to form like you're the oba son
And a true benin......

Opiletool:
This you claimed that it was a lie fabricated by the Yorubas that benin obas' heads were buried in ife. Are you this confused and dumb?

We all know that gregyboy is a joke, now you're tailing him in the foolery with all effort.

Are these the best benin Kingdom (not empire) could offer?

How sad.

The question is how come the word oba became the general word for king in Yorubaland
And benin king get to be the only one called oba his title


I dont have time for now i will write in detailed showing the word oba is not yoruba
And benin-ife neverd happened

Dartilo:
Gregboy.. I have been observing your post and comment on this platform, Pls no offence you have distorting our history especially claiming dat our Oba was part of a conspiracy stuff with the yorubas kings.. And now recently claiming dat the oghene is in Igalla land... I ve been wondering were u get ur information frm but Pls stop it, opening of diff thread here on naira land will not validate anything not to talk of distorting our history... C I am proudly Edo from Okha in
Ikpoba okha afta bye pass in sapele Road... Pls Gregboy some of ur comment are tru but some others r not in line Bro... In the history of benin b4 British no ethnic group or Kingdom can lay claim to hve defeated Benin and we r knw 2 ve been great warriors always in battle so dat explain how d horses came into d empire, remember wen British defeat Benin dem also looted our art.. I mean no offence Bro

Your oba is from ile - ife what makes you believe so..

Am not saying we are igala am trying to draw some perception from different areas of our origin..........

And if its true benin migrated from igala are Going to kill yourself
Before coming here to judge my ascension did you probably reason were we migrated from
Or even have any answer to debate me.....


Look even if am edo i will say the truth even if it hurt...... If you are not here to bring variable documents then dont bother commenting

Amujale:
History is our responsibility, in certain cases we have to compromise for the greater good.

Most of my Binni friends love and respect their Yoruba history, my question to those minority members of the Binni community that think it nice to disrespect Yoruba culture at every given opportunity, who's side are you on?

Yoruba is an ethnicity, we will lose no sleep if we cut ties with you.

A word is enough for the wise.

Are u insane yoruba history

Which benin people.....


Shut the trap


We came in contact with some yorubas not all and ife hapoeans not to be one of then

Hmm the hunted is now the hunter

Amujale:
I cannot understand why some Binni people have a distain for Yoruba, eventhough they have a huge amount that we have in common.

Instead of you to swallow your pride and take your placw in history, some will try to thhrow unecessary tantrums.

If you feel so strong about not being connected to Yoruba, its very easy.

Go to the Nigerian Supreme Court and file a class action recinding all your cultural and linguistic ties to Yoruba; without that you just have to accept the facts and lets get on with our lives.

That being said, the slavetrade was invented by Arabs.

The history of slavery is a horrific campaign that lasted for over 2000 years.

Prior to the Arabian slavetrade, there was no such thing that existed on the African continent.

Slavery in the context of the African is tantamount to POW's. There was never ever a culture of slavery prior to the Arabian one.


Kindly, hear me out, i'm not here to defend anyone's neffaious activities, and that includes the Benin Kingdom but to make something absolutely clear, all the blame of the slave trades lies squarely at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The notion that Benin kingdom sold other Africans into to slavery is absurd and a diservice to history.

Noone is saying that certain rulers in the Benin Kingdom carries no blame, what we does know is that the traitors and defectors at that time have a diminished responsibility given the fact that they was tricked and that the Portugese carry all the blame.

There is a 2000 year history of slavery on the continent.

1)The Arabian also known as the The Transaharan

2)The Portuguese

3)The Transatlantic

All of these occured in the above particular order.

Its important to note that the history of slavery is tantamount to thr history of Christianity and Islam on the African continent.

How do we know that the Benin Kingdom have a diminished responsibility.

We know this because the culture of slavery is unAfrican, whereas the Portuguese made a career out of these type of criminal activities.

Yoruba man

Benin had connections with yorubas which were recorded in history but With ife NO
That shit was made up in the 30s

AreaFada2:
Slaves would not be bewearing beads on their neck. They are his courtiers. Of old Oliha, Edohen, Ezomo, Edo and other UZAMA chiefs had own palace court. Almost like dukes or Enogie in provinces.

Of course in more ancient times they had war captives as slaves. These did mainly domestic and farming work.

Ok, then that handfan are not indegeneously igbo

AreaFada2:
Wow! Delusion of grandeur is real here. So just you have monopoly over truth? Do you ascribe that your being a saint, better education, going through better universities, better interaction with well informed people or experience? What exactly do you base that on?

I cannot be explaining to every new upstart and new tribal zealot. I have been through all these with your predecessors over the years here.

A French explorer and trader Monsieur Randolphe narrated that on his way from Benin City to Gwatto Port, of about 100 slaves on sale along the way, both slaves and their sellers were either Igbo or Yoruba. Chief Ezomo with thousands of strong healthy soldiers had already rebuffed his attempt to buy from among the soldiers. Telling him Oba prohibits slavery of Benin people.

Oba only reluctantly granted request of other tribes in the empire, notably Igbo & Yoruba to sell themselves.

When slave trade to the Americas took off fully by late 1600s early 1700s, Benin had banned slavery already. Note that was the time Oyo empire really took off.

Some say Oba supported Eleko Kosoko, so he supported slave trade. Slave trade matter had been devolved to territories already. So long no Benin man is bought or sold. Oba supported his loyalist Eleko Kosoko against Akitoye that turned out to be a British puppet as Benin anticipated.

Years back someone uploaded by chance a European document that registered the slave origins in Africa. It supported my claim for years prior that Benin banned slavery long before it became lucrative. I have also written over the years here about the role my family played in enforcing slave ban.

As for sacrifices to gods, it's obvious you just want to be offensive. Good that your mask of pseudo-intellectualism falls off so easily for all to see.

Anyway, I write epistles here for wise, discerning and objective yet silent readers to see. Not really to reply provocative posters.

Chief ezomo with his slaves

RamessesIV:
And what's that suppose to mean���

Lol, like you dont know

RamessesIV:
Yes even i am aware of it is just i came here and the supremacy argument is surprising

Am not discrediting myths,I just make sure they are highly scrutinzed,you know in Nigeria we didn't have our own written records,and our architecture is gone,arhcealogy is very poor so that's why I tend to be skeptical of african myths,and with the rise of afrocentrism taking over credible history I tend to be skeptical

Talking of ancient floods,the jewish flood myths is probable gotten from ancient mesopotamians mythology as part of the fertile crescent suffered great flooding that affected agriculture and production,archealogisy has found out that the mesopotamian myth is way too similar to the one found in the hebrew bible,and the fact mesopotamia pre-dates canaanites and jews and its influence makes it plausible

Indeed you're esan

Lol

RamessesIV:
But Benin also have these traditions too or don't they And you can't take away myths from culture when it makes up an integral part of your culture.

Yea, benin started having the myth in the 1930s
During thier stay in the former western region
For political aspirations.....

This is why we are separating the myth from the truth

IDENNAA:
Well , the excavation at Igboukwu proved my people(Nri and related groups) used stone based beads , fly whisk before the Bini kingdom existed. Bini popularized coral beads which were much newer ,around 17th century. But, before Bini kingdom Nze na Ozo reigned supreme....lmao

You have nothing to fight for ,hence you are willing to fight dirty and discredit our greatness.
The picture I posted was not to prove the time but show difference in the beads

Hey , you can join Bini to attack Nri out of jealousy...cultureless bbastard!

Stop attaching emotions while debating and no one should side is tribe with false history to elevate it

Because at the end of the day is the mouth that speaks and the conscience that judge

UdechiHD:
The same way you were objective about us is the same way I’m towards others. What would I gain to elevate my ethnic group over the rest.

I love this

I stand for what is right....... Regardless of my tribe or who i identify with i just believe in truth

Keep the truth up tho

I just believe history should be said correctly
It cannot be rewriting but only can be made......

I was wowed with your comment tho, if only we have people like you who will argue with a sincere heart and a bright mind our history would be soon deviod of myth

UdechiHD:
Igbo people may be older than the Bini’s based on archeological findings. However, based on language similarities, we are from one family. Same with many other southern and middlebelt tribes. The major evidence that makes the Igbo’s older than Benin is the excavations from Igbo Ukwu. We may even be siblings - the YEAI group of languages and had once lived in the Nok valley before our dispersions down south.

About Nri making use of the coral beads, you went ahead to show a recent picture as proof. The Bini popularized the bead and not Nri. There are evidence pointing to this fact.
Show us at least a picture of an 19 century person to back your argument.

I dont want to believe you are igbo because of the bolded

So people can still say the truth for what it is without been influenced by nepotism

UdechiHD:
All I can say is that the Bini’s popularized the bead. However, bead making was an invention of the Portuguese which spread to other parts of the south. But the Bini were the first Nigerian tribe to wear it by virtue of their trade with the Portuguese in the 15th century.

Again the Portuguese fetched the coral stones from the ocean and traded the stones with the benins, benins took the stones melted it to form
Thier coral beads
The Portuguese didnt didnt just already made beads to benin but the raw material for the bead


The Portuguese also traded zinc and copper with benins which benins used in the make of bronze



So all coral beads and shape was gotten from benin

The southern nigeria adopted it after the creation of nigeria

RamessesIV:
Yes,but no one is smarter or better than the other we are all african

Yea no one said anyone is lesser

The bone of contention here is setting our history right and devioding it from myth

African tribe like attaching thier history to an history that have solid background like yorubas saying they came from mecca and all that shit

We are faced by intertribal attache who will distort your history to accomodate them

Such as the benin-ife that never existed the yorubas are attaching themselves to the benin history and bringing myth into it thereby distorting documented written history of the Benin people

RedboneSmith:
Lmao. I got four mentions for just this one small comment?

You're really bored sha. Looking for an argument anyhow. What is your evidence that Ebowani is the same as Ewuare? The names don't even look or sound similar. That the writer of that article (Stefan Eisenhofer) assumed they were the same person and put the names side by side isn't proof enough that it was the same person.

And on the issue of Oranmiyan, given the fact that it was said by some that he didn't reign but only gave birth to the first ruler of the second dynasty (Eweka), it is understandable why his name would be absent in some kinglists.

By the way, the current Oba has affirmed that Oranmiyan indeed is the founder of the current dynasty. Are you calling your oba a liar? Please answer this question. Very important.

The oba is Playing politics with your ooni

And yes our oba lied and so he his human

If he had won this Political tuggle it would have been a benefit for we edo people but his plans failed, so now we are setting things staright


If we are to believe the names are two different psrson then you should also note no other oba names came closer to ewaure and the other name in the benin history


Tell me why do you doubt this political struggle for power by our kings in the western region

Even ahen you know the alafin was one time the chairman of the traditional council until it was taken from him and given to the ooni


Tell me why you feel or know ife - benin existed

RamessesIV:
Edos and yorubas they are both the same,same country,same genes

Well we all are west african but from different tribe and different history