₦airaland Forum

Tedpgrass:
Greg how far..
Na Oriki I ask for.. Not attempts to legitimise Benin Kingdom supremacy...

Answer to your question...
Its the onus of the overall king or Emperor to take emblems or flags or staff of office of a lesser colony to demonstrate visible rulership or superiority!!!

Stirring up someone's hornet's nest!!



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gomojam:
This boy again! Why?

TAO12:
No we can not trust a scholar (William Fagg).

We must trust a deluded Benin clown (gregyboy).

TAO12:
Yes, from scholars.

Not from "edoworld", "edo-nation", "edogroup", websites though ...

Many gives an idea of constellation which was interpreted as divinity.

So we're still talking about mere quantity. I know you can't read, but c'mon give this a try


C'mon why are you crossing out what the attachment says. You brought the attachment, didn't you?

Nobody is debating it with you!

Benin Nairalanders are on one extreme of the sanity scale, while scholars are on the other extreme:

"Fagg EMPHASISED that the kingship of Benin and Benin bronze casting was imported from Ile-Ife".

TAO12:
(1) Benin art was chosen not for quality, but for quantity.

Quality was never a Benin thing. Quality is for Ife.


(2) The kingship and bronze casting tradition of Benin kingdom comes from Ile-Ife.

Reference:
Your own attachment!


A classic example of shooting yourself. Dvmb gregyboy!

TAO12:
Or to direct them to lay siege on "the Benin-Italy trade route" in search of fleeing worshippers of Yoruba gods??

What do you think little boy??

TAO12:
Why are you mad at me, little boy??

Your own attachment betrays you, and proves my point.

TAO12:
"Fagg emphasizes that the Kingship of Benin and Benin bronze casting was imported from Ile-Ife"

Source: Your own attachment. Look closely.


Moreover, quality beats quantity any day, anytime.

See link: https://www.nairaland.com/5802327/name-benin-not-gotten-ife/3#88770766

Tedpgrass:
I'd like to get a variety of orikis


Just listened to one and I couldn't help but be moved..

Truly enthralling..


Cc. Lalasticlala..... (I no say e no be snake)
Mynd1.. (2..3..4 and all updated versions)

Chemist009:
Etsako land(also called Afemai) is the third largest ethnic group in Edo state with a population of about 600,000 which accounts for roughly 15% of Edo's population-behind Bini and Esan. It's located in the Northern senatorial district of the state and speaks a dialect somehow related to other Edo dialects.
Auchi town is the traditional capital of the Etsako people and the entire Edo north,and it's the second largest City in Edo state after Benin which is by far the largest. Etsako land is home to a federal polytechnic at Auchi, The Nigeria Army school of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering also at Auchi and the recently established Edo University at Iyamho and a host of others..... The people are warm and embracing with different colourful festivals and their main occupation is farming and trading.
Auchi is the economic and commercial nerve center,while other important towns include: Agenebode,Fugar,Okpella ....etc. Etsako's population is roughly equally divided between Muslims and Christians-about 50% Muslim and 49% Christian and a pocket of Traditional religious worshippers. Popular personalities of Etsako origin includes: Adams Oshiomhole(APC National Chairman and Immediate past Governor of Edo State),Dele Giwa(Popular assassinated journalist),Raymond Dokpesi(owner of AIT),John Momoh(owner of Channels TV),Tony Momoh(former national chairman of the defunct CPC),Senator Albert Legogie(former deputy senate president),Mike Akhigbe(Former Vice President), Mike Oghiadomhe(former deputy governor and chief of staff to former president GEJ),present deputy governor of Edo State(Philip Shuaibu) and a host of others..... Visit Etsako(the land of the Kukuruku hills) today! And you sure will be glad you did.

DebbyJose:
Warns Him To Stop Desecrating Yoruba Royal Institutions.

Erelu-Oodua Tinuade Mabel Onaneye, the traditional title holder of Erelu-Oodua of Ode-Aye Kingdom and Irawo Oni of Yoruba, has on Tuesday 21st of April, 2020 cautioned, Mr. Almoroof Yekinni, the self-acclaimed 'Prince' of the incumbent Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi, to desist from actions he's known for, which are capable of causing discord among Yorubas in diaspora and belittling the revered and sacred Yoruba traditional stools.
Erelu in a statement issued at her base in Texas, United States described Aare Almoruf Yekinni as 'Arije-nidi-madaru' a Yoruba philosophical concept used to describe someone of bad character, who benefits from causing rancour and discord in any gathering or system. Such a person's significance, according to her statement "is directly proportioned to the magnitude of controversy he's able to orchestrate".
'"Almoroof in his desperation to be noticed ended up being in the news for wrong reasons. His latest, being the source of the trending scandal between one of the wives of Alaafin Oyo and the fuji music icon and Mayegun of Oyo Kingdom, Wasiu Ayinde Marshal commonly known as K1 De Ultimate. That was not his first. That is what he's known for. First, he claimed to be Alaafin Oyo's prince, yet it has been confirmed he's not related to Alaafin in whatever form. Again, he gave himself the title Alaafin of Washington DC without a reasonable basis. He's simply on a mission to make a mockery of the revered monarch", She added in the statement she personally signed.
On the much-discussed scandal, Erelu posited that even though she's not a fan of K1 De Ultimate, she still believes the allegation against the Fuji icon might be untrue given the pedigree and the shady background of Aare Almoroof Yekinni who was said to have sold the unconfirmed news to bloggers in Nigeria from his base in Maryland, United States.
Erelu reiterated that over the past few years, she and many well-meaning Yorubas in the United States have had the opportunity to observe and evaluate the mission and agenda of this perfidious element and have concluded he's nothing more than an attention-seeking none-entity, who goes about meddling into issues he's evidently unequipped to handle, desecrating the tradition, titles and throne that predates him. As a matter of fact, because of his untruthful and uncivil attitude, the much-respected Oyo-Tunji Royal Circle in South Carolina that honored him with BOBAGUNWA title has distanced themselves from him long before now.
Erelu called on every true son and daughter of Oduduwa living in the United States and other places outside Nigeria who might know this man to call him to order. She concluded, "Almoroof must tender an apology letter to Oba Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi, Queen Basirat Adeyemi, Oyo kingdom and the entire Yoruba traditional institutions.
Erelu has been a resolute and articulate crusader, who is assertive and fearless. She has been telling truth to power despite whoever may be concerned.

SAINT-OLAWALE JIMOH, ERELU-OODUA TINUADE M. ONANEYE MEDIA OFFICE, TEXAS.

TAO12:
Oh Edo boy, you still haven't mentioned your Yoruba and Italian names.

C'mon Edo boy! You've got to be proud of your Yoruba and Italian heritage. You can do this.

Okay, did you worship your Yoruba god this morning?? ??

macof:
This is just embarrassing

Your anti-Yoruba sentiment is killing your brain

TAO12:
No one is re-writting your history lad!

I am only dispelling the falsehoods that have been force-stuffed into your thick empty skull ab-initio.

Lastly, I know you're Edo, so can you tell us your Yoruba name and your Italian name ?? ?? ??

I won't say a word!

BabaRamota1980:
He is lying about marginalization in Western region.

There used to be a meeting of Council of Obas in Western Region, which included everything from Ife to Asaba and downward. Western Ibos, Ijaws, Ogoni and many other non-Yoruba allied groups resented that the meeting was observed in line with Yoruba culture and Yoruba deities were invoked exclusively. Which makes sense.
So those ethnic groups were excused. Benin, Itsekiri continued to participate. At the head of the meeting were usually Ooni, Alaafin, Omo n'Oba, Alake, Awujale, Deji. Other kings in the Council were in attendance as floor members. Omo n'Oba had always enjoyed privilege as the paramount king over that part of Western Region which later became MidWest. That is, Benin to Anioma.

After their successful semi-independence from underneath Western cultural influence, the Aniomas (Western Ibo) began an agitation to also separate from Western political influence. They plotted to do so by challenging Omo n'Oba's authority over them. Their take was Benin was acting as a proxy to force Yoruba culture down their throat. Azikiwe lend support and began a campaign of Onitsha and Anioma coming out of Benin. Okpara put pressure on the Aniomans and they in turn put pressure on Benin to searate itself from West. There was an economic advantage in their goal also. This scheme was positioned as an ethnic economic disadvantage. In other words, West was accused of dominating the economic fortunes of non-Yoruba groups in the region. When the pressure mounted, Awolowo had agreed that a minority region be created each from West, East and North as a response to cries of minorities against domination from their majority controlled regions.

Midwest would carve out of West
COR would carve outof East
Middlebelt woyld carve out of North.

Aniomans submitted a call for referendum. Bini agreed. Azikiwe used government power to force it to parliament.

The referendum was passed overwhelmingly with high support from Anioma. It was not unanimous. Opposition to it came from Benin and Warri provinces. Thus began Midwest.

Zik and Bello reneged and never allowed COR and Middlebelt to go to referendum. So only Midwest was created.

That ended the political alignment of Omo n'Oba with his brothers in West. It did not end the cultural tie. The cultural tie was challenged by Omo n'Oba Erediauwa, father of present king. They have been taught following in the footsteps of Aniomans that if they can challenge and win a political grievance, with pressure they can also win a cultural grievance and separate ties of origin to West. So everything you have so far witnessed on internet with Benin questioning their origin in Ife was taught them by Ibos. Prior to 1963 no monarchy or cultural institution in Benin ever denied its origin in Ife.

Soon after Midwest was created Aniomans hijacked the region from Bini and sought to become the mainstream political elite. They succeeded partially. The full success was activated during Biafran war. Biafra sacked the non-Ibo governor of Midwest, replaced him with an Anioman, rigged its flag and renamed the region. They went on propaganda radio and broadcasted that Ibo language will replace Edo language and the citizens of the new republic must start out learning Ibo.

If Biafra had not been dislodged, thanks to Yorubas, gregyboy will today be speaking in kedu odinma and his name will be chinonso.

So all these Edo witches here in Nairaland are following in footsteps of their master, the Aniomans. They are trying to do with culture what they did with politics. Unfortunately for them there is no room for referendum in culture to sever them from their Ife origin. This greatly upsets them. They come online and put their frustration on display, as we have witnessed with this fly-by-night broom rider called gregyboy, MelesZenawi

Dont buy into his story of marginalization under Western region. He is echoing the sounds his Anioma master taught them in the 60s and their Omo n'Oba naively accepted.

babtoundey:
Once a clown...
Haven't we had enough comedies from you that you are bent on adding another one to the ones on ground.

Ogene came from Zimbabwe, Birnin-Kebbi, Ife, Igala, Nupe, Australia, Japan, Yugoslavia (Just one Oghene o)
Benin got her name from Ishekiri
The title of Benin Paramount ruler has always been "Oba"
There was never Oranmiyan or Ekelardahan
There was Ekalardahan, he came from...
Eweka was brought into Benin from Ughotan
The newest joke- Oduduwa never lived; Oduduwa existence is a conspiracy ploy of Yoruba and Benin Obas to deceive the illustrious sons of Edo.
All the above jokes are facts because thier originator's intuition tells him they are

But how can someone that is ignorant of his own identity, that is confused and indecisive about his own history; that doesn't know how his ancestors came by the name "Benin", that is ignorant of how his people payed homage and prayed to foreign gods like ogun, olokun, ayelala, that doesn't know how his ancestors ignored ogiso dynasty for oba system, that is clueless on how Benin, his Homeland, got the name Benin, that can't provide a convincing and accurate meaning of "Benin" and "oba" in his native language understand, define or shape other people's history and identity?

As usual and expected someone demands how? He demands evidence? Evidence that Oduduwa exist? That we have many people both within and outside Southwest Nigeria that align themselves with Oduduwa and consider themselves as children of Oduduwa is not enough evidence of his existence? That Gregboy, who is neither Yoruba nor their fan of heard of Oduduwa and thinks of denying the existence of Oduduwa existence is not enough evidence that Oduduwa exist; whether in reality, perception or belief?

I guess (to him) his writeup that is vaguely filled with "I think" "I believe" "I observe" and bereft of any sound and logical evidence is good enough to convince the world, including individuals who, all their lives, have studied observed and believe the existence and trtraces of Oduduwa.

Once again, Gregboy, how do you expect us to take you serious? Stop presenting your postulations and baseless claims you scheme in your head as the catholic truth. No sane mind will take you serious.

samuk:
Every important traditional rulers in southern and middle belt Nigeria are all using Benin traditional emblems. From Obi of Onitsha to Ooni of Ife, they were/are all using Ada and Eben sceptre. The Attah of Igala is wearing the Benin Idia mask around his neck. Numerous of them borrowed and replicated the Benin traditional chieftaincy titles.

What do Benin get in return for all these, insults upon insults from those that should be appreciative and grateful.

I warned them before, let them keep debating the Benin and see what is left of their Ife myths destroyed beyond repair.

samuk:
While you know what you know in your little enclave, the world is daily learning about Benin empire and history in their museums, they are having seminals, debates and lectures arguing about Benin.

Good to know it is not only on Nairaland that the history of Benin is daily being debated. It is happening across the world. Such is the importance of Benin to the world.

Now that I am almost through with my amala with ewedu and gbegiri, I need to step it down with isiewu and change the music from Ebenezer Obey to Osita Osadebe. Others can be prisoners of their little enclaves while I enjoy whatever goodies every culture have to offer.


Meanwhile, see the link of the photo of late Ooni using the Benin traditional sword/sceptre, Ada. I guess it will be shameful for any Ooni to use it today because of trying to form superiority.

Late Ooni Sijuade beside him is an ADA hoisted, that clearly prove what we have been saying. Ooni carrying the royal emblem invented by Ogiso Ere in about 107AD. Make una commot shame for face una be our children.
N.B: They will never make this picture public because of its implications but thank God say we dey burst their bubble all the time.

Oba gha tokpere. Ise

https://www.facebook.com/100003470195379/posts/2837851166340529/

samuk:
In the past fossils of animals that were met to be native to Africa were found in different continents and because the scientists at the time couldn't explain how such animals could have crossed the vast oceans and seas to get to where they were found in prehistoric times before humans were able to make canoes and ships, they assumed that those animals must have evolved on those continents.

It was when it was discovered in 20th century that the entire landmass of the earth used to be one unbroken piece, that it became clear to scientists that those animals must have crossed from Africa to those continents before the continent broke away from each other and the spaces between them filled with oceans and seas.

The continent is still drifting apart, albeit in centimetres every year.

The fact that some artworks were dug up in Ife doesn't mean that those artworks were originally made in Ife.

samuk:
No doubt archaeology is important in studying and telling ancient histories but those archeological histories could be misrepresentation of the facts without a collaborative eyewitness accounts.

Now let me give few examples to buttress my point.

1. During WW11, between 1940 to 1945 the German Nazi looted artworks, currencies, gold, silver, diamond, etc, across Europe and from their victims especially the Jews. The estimated value of their loot at that time was €450 million, which is an equivalent of billions of dollars in today's value.

These items were stored and hidden in Wintershal AG's Kaiseroda potassium mine at Merkers. The America soldiers discovered this location by accident.

If this incident had happened thousands of years ago, during the ancient period of no written records, and these items were discovered today, would it be right for any archeologists to conclude that this items were made or manufactured in their current location.

What if the items found in Ife were also stolen from somewhere else and hidden in what would have been a forest centuries ago, what if there was a market in that location for the sales of such items.

How do you come to the conclusion that those artworks were actually made in Ife and that they weren not brought down there. What happened to the ancient craft men that would have made them.

Archeologists may be able to tell few things about the items they are studying but not necessarily the true stories of how the items go to that locations.

2. Even after the German Nazi loot were discovered, some soldier who were transporting the loot back to headquarters stole some gold bars and other items which they hide in the forest to be retrieved later, but years later when they returned, they couldn't locate the location because the landscape had changed due to vegetation. These golds and other items remained buried till now. When they are found in the future, it will be wrong to say they were made in their current hidden locations.

Are there any collaborative eyewitness accounts of Bronze casting in Ife before few items were dug up from the ground.

If there were Bronze casters, what happened to them and why did they go into extinction.

valirex:
What's your proof that itesekiri was independent?

valirex:
Alright, but I will hate for our people to grow cold

MetaPhysical:
I said Benin is not an organic priesthood you said I should put forth evidence. On what Priestdom is your monarch authorised (Ase) to wear a crown?

Speak ...

MetaPhysical:
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Ancient thrones of dynastic roots are mythical. The reason is beacuse they all originated from a Priestly beginning and were thus shrouded in mythical lores.

The currrent European monarchies all took root out of German, which was the bridge between modernity and ancient Romans and Greeks.

If you go to Asia, their monarchies all have mythical beginnings.

If you go to South America, all their monarchies were outcrops of mythical beginnings.

Even Judaism had mythical beginnings in the story of baby Moses.

Jesus had mythical beginnings in the birth.

Muhammed had mythical beginnings in the transformation of his city and kinship.


There is no original monarchy in ancient history that was not birthed out of myths.

If Benin did not have a mythical beginning it will be because it was birthed out of Ife.....and was not an organic Priesthood.

valirex:
Angry birds you say, and we ate your people like cockroaches

IDENNAA:
Your own chief submitted a superior king from the east exist that your Oba pay himage to...do you believe this or not ? If not, why did you accept Zik's account ?

IDENNAA:
Now, you want to take what Olauda said but disregard the account that puts your Oba beneath a king from the east...you guys are too danm funny