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macof:
What scholars?

What have you been doing in the previous post

RamessesIV:
They were various berber kingdoms,some were already hellnized,some were romanized,tunisia was already christian before arabs came and played great roles in early christianity,due to arab conquest islam spread with it arabization just like egypt and sudan,even somalians are now claiming "Arab"
"Arab culture" this is the culture of Arab and the Islamic faith,if Hausas had gotten islam through arab conquest they will be arabs today just like the nubians in sudan,majority of the middle east ara arabized people.

Is Oduduwa from the middle east

Osagyefo98:
His father was Igbo and was Obi of Agbor. He didn't change his title. He answered igbo names and even his son ruling now goes by name Ikenchukwu.

Why didn't he change his name to Izoduwa or osagie.


These are evidences that abounds. He is just be overwhelmed by youthful exuberance because he is not wiser than his father and fathers before him.

He is just saying they have a unique names which are original to thier own people which is not igbo persay but a mixture of edo-igbo names and with a unique spellings

Even amongst the real igbos they have thier individual igbo dialect unique to thier various clan

So as the agbor people he is not saying they are not igbos but he is maintaining that accepting the general igbo culture is what is wrong and he doesn't want that, even if they are igbos he still want to maintain his unique igbo identity which is a mixture of igbo and edo


Osita Osadebe is from atani in anambra an area close to the anioma regions and that is also few km from onitsha, he mainted his anioma name osadebe which can be interpreted as osadeba( god is with me) in benin
This are the unique names indigenous to the anioma areas, he is probably against his fathers to allow total igbo influence on thier people

And he is not been exuberant he is been a good leader to his people

Osagyefo98:
They always say they are Igbos but why will you guys be bringing analysis that is somehow strange.

We are not the one claiming the entire agbor as edos we maintained that they were originally igbos who were conquered by our ancestors


The yorubas are the ones here twisting it like the benins are saying the agbors are fully edos


We always mainted that only the royalty is edos
We are yet to claim some part if edo as benins not to say igbos

Osagyefo98:
There is nothing to compare as Anioma stated clearly that they are Igbos.

We shouldn't be arguing this in the first instance. What you guys are trying to do is what we call encroachment.

Have you seen me arguing On Urhobo, itshekiri issues?....NO because I acknowledge they are Edos but for Igbos axis just stay.

We are looking at Igbos Indigenous and homogeneous in biafra only..... don't call it been selfish. It is been diplomatic.

The only the thing the edo person did was to bring the post to nairaland

The others were been said by dein of agbor, the dein of agbor knows he is of benin bloodline so as the monarch the protector of thier culture, he is just check mating the igbos influence like the chiefs putting on red caps.....
Originally the agbors were igbos no doubt but were later mixed with edos giving them a unique distinct culture from thier original culture igbo
The dein agbor simply wants to maintain that balance of igbos and edo cultures he is just afraid the, Igbos cultures are encroaching faster into thier society diluting the edo culture which he himself as a traditionalist is to maintain

Nothing is wrong what the mornach said or he is doing he his there to preserve the culture of his people

And even if they were once original ibos but the culture has been diluted we can only admire it we edo and igbos and not try changing it


We edos are only angry because you guys are insiting everything is igbos including the mornachy which is wrong....

Benins never originated any yoruba or igbo people

We all are different people stop turning history to myth

This is the problem we are trying to correct between benin-ife connection that was made up
For political reasons,

Scholars are putting thier heads debunk this myth the energy scholars would have put in reassessing other aspect of our history is now been wasted on debunking myth.....



Op shut your trap you're not an edo person because no edos as ever lay such useless claim of yours


The more this myth are created the more stress it gives scholars debunking while the real history is left unattended to

Osagyefo98:
Benin should start attending Oduduwa meeting as others are fully represented in Ohanaeze.

Dissolve whatever is remaining if you into afenifere and join them...and stop all these talk talk talk..

How can people be naturally and diagonally stupid?

Someone in Benin dragging someone in ogoja and someone is Benin dragging someone in ekpeye answering njekwe....is that not asymetrical madness?


Hian....ooo chimooo...


There is nothing person no go read on nairaland.


Empire mbok

You're so pained by this post.......

Your name even looks edo are you from the anioma areas......?

The thing i dislike about your comment is the fact that you call us a minority, but you keep following every thread attaching to benin

I guess we as a minority should be the one doing that and not a person coming from a big tribe

You even know everything about edos i bet an average only knows the igbo by name and nothing more

You call us minorites you igbos keep practicing our culture you should be ashamed when you speak ill of edo people......


Am speechless of your hateful comments


Edos might be minorites in population but in every other aspect partainng nigeria they are not
Even the igbos are yet to archive what we have achieved as a minority throughout history

If you doubt it lets start the debate

chizakris:
I now foolish people can be. You're not from Igbo , you're from anioma right? Mad people !!

Which language is Anioma?, you're not from Igbo but you answer Ikechukwu, Izuchukwu, Ifeanyichukwu ndi ara!!!
No wonder fulanis are killing you anyhow fools.
The earlier you start standing on the truth, the better for you ooo.

Am benin and i will say the blunt truth


Benin is not trying claim the anioma as benins but they are claiming the royalty

The anioma people are originally ibo and no benin person will call them benin we are yet to fully identify edo North as fully edo not to talk of igbos

Understand that the anioma people identify themselves politically as igbos but culturally identify as anioma thier culture as igbos in the past has been diluted by edos, and they wouldn't identify themselves as edos or igbos, they prefer identifying themselves as aniomas, a mixture of igbo and edo culture,
But most times thier identification goes with igbos for political reasons
We the edos and igbos should rather let them be and support thier identification
We already know were the two cultures meet

WORDWORLD:
And which one have you created yourself?!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5VaBZDDSr8

I have, my friend


Leave China and focus on your African leaders who have made you all vulnerable

You are complaining china wants to enrich themselves with African wealth, just wait till another country says they want to holocaust africans from the earth and occupy thier lands


By then you will be typing with tears.....


Guy go face your govt


Chinese is everywere in the world even in Europe trying to dominate the world economy

All this one you dey talk na gist

kenzosky:
OK, let me Spell this out for you, China wants everything from Africa: its strategic location, its oil, its rare earth metals, and its fish, leaving African nations indebted to Beijing.

Do you know that Chinese boats are currently reaching to west Africa, sweeping our sea of any kind of fish that tries to swim through their spread nets?

Do you know that Chinese shops owners currently don't allow Black people into their shops and business centers all over the world including Europe and America? Lets not even talk of how they are currently chasing anyone with a black skin out off their rented /mortgaged houses in China living Black families and their children in the streets to either die of cold, hunger or diseases.

Just like history have thought us, Africa has served the global ambitions of many foreigners. Foreigners have reached out to Africa as missionaries, financiers, and infrastructure builders.They have promised to place the continent on the globalization map and help its people grow out of poverty. But they ended up grabbing Africa’s riches, colonizing one nation after another, and letting the African people steep in poverty.
That may end up being the case again, with China’s recent infrastructure investment projects in the continent.

On the surface, these projects seem to serve the quest of African nations to build a sound infrastructure. But on closer examination, they serve China’s ambitions to write the rules of the next stage of globalization.
China wants to use Africa as a location to secure maritime roads (and the OBOR projects) that facilitate Chinese exports, as evidenced by Beijing’s large military presence in Djibouti and other parts of Africa.

Long story short, the truth is that the chinese are using these investments to bind African countries to China politically, and through debt obligations, it creates a form of leverage that China can use to force African countries to support Chinese ambitions globally. Take a look at what they are currently doing to the Angolan oil sector or the Congolese rare earth mining.

Why are you complaining,?+

What do you espect us to do carry arms and fight the Chinese? or do you want us to be more vigilant about the Chinese



You are crying a tears of pity nothing more


I would have felt better if you had wrote on how African leaders are enslaving africans

Are you not ashamed when you watch the news africans happens to be the awkward people in the news around the world

If i ask you who caused it, i bet you will blame the Chinese for it wont you......
?

When nigeria was created saudis prince's used to come to nigeria to take treatment, when we got independence the world was very happy to welcome a new potential world power to thier mist
No one knew what was china nigeria at then was still better than China, even without the discovery of oil........


China wasnt giving blames that the British didnt colonized them and thats why they couldn't be the nigeria they imagined to be then


All am saying is your stories are too farfetched and are misplaced
.

And you my friend you created a thread adressing the Chinese conspiracy, have you created any thread adressing the political menace in African leaders?

adechi:
The Chinese are known to be invaders , they come into a place one after the other and before you know it , they form a community and name it Chinatown , they are crafty , they will then lure this your so called block head leaders with money...
There is an history line to this....
They are developing countries like ,Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Kenya ,Rwanda with loans rolled out to this uncircumcised leaders.....and knowing fully well this government can't pay the loan back.

You can go and ask Singapore , or the Malays how the Chinese invaded the land , today they are at the top office's ,parliament and even prime minister , while the Malaysian is President

See you, forming conspiracy out to of nothing

Your country is not even developed and you are already afraid of foreign invaders imagine we africans are now developed like Europe when you will be faced with several migrant dominitation, but you will be the first to shout racism if the whiteman tells you to leave thier country........


Guy rest for this nonsense if the Chinese wants to come to africa let them come

Instead of you guys addressing our number one issues i. e African leaders you are busy here imagining conspiracy

Sarah20A:
Benin artwork left an history and a trace of its origin in igun street..those stolen artifacts were taken from the palace during the invasion

But the oba and his cohorts keep associating ife as the people who brought artworks to benin
When research proves otherwise


This is what am saying Oduduwa is a myth even if it is not, Benin have nothing to do with Oduduwa

More

Here babatunde lawal rexamined the fact the benin art techniques was imported from ife which he totally disagrees to,

He also rexamined other factors such as ogene n uhe to be ife which he also totally disagreed to



A must read........


There was never a benin - ife connection
Continue reading this article till page 24 by clicking this link

https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory


Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

valirex:
Nice write-up

Read this



https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory

Samuk
AreaFada2
Ghostwon

TAO11:
You seem to have a short memory, or some problem with reading, or both.

I have shown already that Ife sulptures feature a vareity of crowns including some that also have tall height, cone frustum shape, and no round/vertical frontal piece.

Moreover, I also already wrote the following:

"...considering its stylistic feature, its hand posture, its naturalism, and ultimately, its unique paired chest-regalia.

And most importantly, the unanimous conclusion of art-historical scholarship admit that:

This sculpture (which was excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom) is none else than the then Ooni of Ife.

You may also visit the Benin Museum if that helps you, since you deludedly believe that every non-Bini art historian in the world hate gregyboy. Lol.

Are you ready to join team sanity??

I always tell you most of the time you talk you talk you resolve to insult ,if you continue like this i will be forced to stop replying your bigoted reasoning and insultive attitudes


The way you get emotional and insultive instead of passing messages baffles me......


And You read to many crap on the internet and what fit your ego you pick and quote...... Without any evaluation......


Am not going to reply any of your mentions anymore you need to go back to your father's house and learn manners, i wonder if this is how you insult your husband if you get excited over an issue .......


I have tried to remain cool just to pass my knowledge, i think i have passed enough and you have your turns of insult on me while proving your point, i just hope this attitude wont follow you down to your husband's house goodluck i wont be responding to any of your comments anymore.

You need to learn manners of approach



This is one of you own who is not a bigoted writer
Batunde Lawal

TAO11:
Okay, you've finally agreed to run away from your own criteria after a failed ultimate search.

Moving on ...

This sculpture (which was excavated from the palace at Benin kingdom) represents an image of the then Ooni of Ife, considering its stylistic feature, its hand posture, its naturalism, and ultimately its paired chest regalia.

Am I alone in this conclusion? No, I'm not. This is also the unanimous conclusion of art historians.

But on the other hand --- on the extreme insanity scale --- my foolish and deluded Nairaland student (gregyboy) says that he has an idea different from scholars'.

But unfortunately for him, he still in the middle of another unending ultimate search to produce even a feather-weight evidence to back up his bitter bigotry.

In sum, you are yet to provide anything to back up your stupidity. I am patiently waiting!

I hope you don't die a bitter boy!

The 14c artwork of ife shows the ife sculptures wearing wrappers and having a different crown
From the artworks found in the palace .......


What makes you think its ife because scholars say so?


What is your reason of acceptance

TAO11:
And Ogiso Igodo is from the sky!!

Yea as you wish

TAO11:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah.

Keep searching!!

One day before you leave this world, you will definitely find that crown.

Comparing our oba crown is not the discussion here

The discussion we are establishing here is if that artwork was really the artwork of ife

And all info proves otherwise

TAO11:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

Nope! That's not it! They're not even remotely close by any stretch of the imagination.

In case you were blind before, and you can now see; what I asked you for is the crown in the 1st attahment.

But what you showed me is the crown in the 2nd attachment.

I am very sure that you will file a lawsuit if a supplier delivers the 2nd crown to you when what you ordered (with your hard earned money) was the first crown.

Stop joking!

You see the similarities


The cap is representing the artwork there without bead

TAO11:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

Nope! That's not it! They're not even remotely close by any stretch of the imagination.

In case you were blind before, and you can now see; what I asked you for is the crown in the 1st attahment.

But what you showed me is the crown in the 2nd attachment.

I am very sure that you will file a lawsuit if a supplier delivers the 2nd crown to you when what you ordered (with your hard earned money) was the first crown.

Stop joking!

Assuming its not matching like you said


But were is that very crown the ooni wore that was dug out from the oba palace in the ife artworks........

All of this. Makes me believe was never ife at all..

You will push me to question the ife artworks soon if you keep this funny trend on

TAO11:
Well, considering the fact that I also have eyes to see --- just like the experts who knew immediately that the figure is stylistically of an Ife king and nothing like another king --- then I know that the three chest regalia (and the standing/hand postures) are one and the same thing.

This is despite the fact that the three crowns are stylistically different from one another.

And we have seen evidence of different tall and short crowns, as well as crowns with and without the round and vertical frontal piece in the corpus of Ife artworks.

Now you're now talking off point........

TAO11:
Please note that I'm not debating you. Stop getting excited. I'm simply schooling you.

More importantly, I'm putting content out there to the world.

So address your points:

(1) I don't think we should assume them to be crowns.

Let's just call a spade, a spade. Those are shoes, not crowns. /s

(2) That particular crown?? If you mean the crown in my first attachment, then it's in Benin Museum as we speak.

(3) Moreover, where is this Benin crown shown in the attachment below??

If you can't tell me where it is, then the image does not represent Benin king, then it must be the image of a Japanese king that came visiting Benin kingdom. /s

Here is the crown,

Among the ife artworks were is that particular crowm

TAO11:
Having shown you to be a failure, and having provided hard evidence showing Ife kings wearing crowns with different stylistic variations ---- some short, some tall, but all four without the signature round/tall frontal piece.

It therefore becomes clear to sane people, again and again, that experts were right when they identified the king in the first attachment as an Ooni of Ife, especially considering the unique regalia on its chest which is the regalia signature for ancient Oonis of Ife.

Compare the chest regalias the Ife king excavated from Benin palace with the other two attachments.

The dressing is different, the artworks style is not ife, the crown is different

Tagging it ife art was a lazy work by scholars, only if our local historans worked in hand with foreign historian all this little error will be avoided

macof:
As I said go and learn your traditions. You don't know more than traditionalists who have said Bini have traditions of their ancestors coming from the sky

It's a prevalent tradition in West Africa.. Igbos have it, Aja have it, Yoruba have it

And I have explained severally that the issue of oduduwa is not that complicated when you realize that there are two entities
I can't be repeating myself every time.

Lmao you are the ones always eager to fight, it is after all the war that you declared. Yorùbá have no problem with you
It is you that have problems with us. But that's your business, that's why you are the ones going on TV, opening websites and making posts on all platforms against Yoruba
Yoruba can't be bothered by any minority who we gave the monarchy and taught the art they are most proud of.
Even the so called "Bini juju" everyone in Pop culture is talking about, na Yoruba give you
There's nothing that brings Bini into the light of discussion that isn't traced back to the Yoruba nation
I can understand why you hate Yoruba guts

Oduduwa is a myth imagined by many yorubas

TAO11:
That's not the issue at hand for now. I will teach you that when I'm done dealing with you. Don't distract.

The issue at and is that you are a living contradiction just because of your bigotry.



Having said that, the following are artworks of Ife kings showing different variety of crowns without the popular frontal round and long piece.

I know you will bring those rubbish and ascribed it as a crown


Lets assume they are all different crowns

Were is that particular crown


All benin crown in the past are still been worn today



Lol, the more you debate on this the more you put yourself on trouble


Am telling you run

Obalufon:
ADA is symbol of Oranmiyan Symbol of authority ..IDA ORANMIYAN

Ok, you have to prove it,

With written document or archeological evidence

I wont. Just swallow what you are saying just like that na

TAO11:
Gregyboy writes:



Gregyboy also writes:


Yet he insists saying the following:

"People take me serious, I am not mad".

How do you double quote on nairaland

Oduduwa is from mecca

TAO11:
Even your artworks shows that your present Oba Ewuare(II) is not as foolish as you insist he is.

See your ancient Obas rocking different crowns below:

Were is the ife artwork that showed ooni of ife wearing different crown

TAO11:
Are you denying your eyes that your Oba of the same century had different types of crowns?? ??

In yhe real-world where sane human beings live, kings have different types of crowns.

Let me show you again!!

No, it was showed in the benin artwork too
That the oba had different crown


But it wasn't so in the ife artworks, even if the ife artworks showed various crowns did itshow that particular one, i guess no

Even if ife artworks had showed that particular crown did ife artworks practice that particular that artwork techniques


All the ife artworks have one similar crown and. One similar style of art

Which does not conform to that artwork found in the oba palace

Sewgon79:
Sorry for disappointing you on this one. But my brother, this is not myth. It is reality. There are tribes living in Mecca and those Middle East before the invasion of Arabs. That does not make them Arabs, they have their culture, heritage and traditions. But whenever invaders come, they always force their own culture on them. Examples are the West Indice of American, The Mayans, The Aborigine. This are the local, but whenever invaders comes on them. They always turn the stories upside down.

My friend, I am from ijebu, there is a place where an icon and female legend was buried and backdated to around (B.C) I guess you know what that means. Before Christ and the burial grave is still there today. Her name is BALIKIS. She is personal bodyguard to Queen Sheba of Ethiopia. I mean same queen Sheba that her story was written in the Bible of her adventure with King Solomon.

The burial ground was engraved with ancient semitics language of those days, cuz in those days, it is isreal and Arabs that rules them. So they have to learn in their language to be able to communicate.

Same way, English colonise us and impose English as a way of writing and communication. This speaks in way we write, communicate, translate and do things. Seriously it is what you learned that you will be able to communicate with.

If you doubt it, please I will urge you to visit ìjebu òde and ask a town called ÒKÈ ERI.

Please don't let us rewrite a story that is not their. Yorùbá story are told and I have know this story. And even Wikipedia confirm it to be true. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odùduwà).

Yoruba are the real aborigène of Mecca before Arab invasion. In every developed nation. We always have the aborigines before invaders. Even Australia of today, still have their real aborigènes.

They are the real owners. Also do you realise that Yoruba Language is similar to semitics language of this day Turkish, Asia and so on.

FOR example those languages are taken out of Yoruba e.g Turkish language for work is (ìṣ) while Yoruba Language for work is (Ìṣe). Almost same.

You need to do your research well and study well, you will realise all this.

Thank you.

Yea, i agree TAO11 is always full of lies Oduduwa his from mecca all evidence acknowledged this fact even the benin history