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Many other benin kings were skipped in Roupell's list

The list represents the most popular kings who ever ruled

In Roupell's books not only did he omit the name oromiyan from the list but he never also mentioned it, in his book

This only shows that oromiyan was coined later on for political aspirations

IDENNAA:
Bini didn't establish any kingship eastwards. What you have were settlements who copied Bini style of kingship. That's why no Igbo settlements east or west of Igbo land has the Obaship appendage. None celebrates Igue....you have migration from Bini but they were inconsequential both in number and culture.

You think too highly of yourselves....lmao

Ooh,

The History is documented if you like denial it, when the need for the truth arrival someday the truth will be brought out


Because if i say i should debate you or face you in a debate u will bring nri fairytale and i dont do that....... Arguing on myth



Anyhow you reasom am as long it suit you alone

RedboneSmith:
The greatest of the Benin Oba, Oba Ewuare I is also missing from Roupell's list. Which means Ewuare I too was concocted by Talbot and never existed, abi?

Check well this time with my arrow

He spelt it as ebowani


RedboneSmith bam waiting for your next counter
Am doing a vigorous research on benin-ife possibilities so i wont you to bring fact thats is new but well documented to ascertain discussion so when am writing i can point out this fact

RedboneSmith:
The greatest of the Benin Oba, Oba Ewuare I is also missing from Roupell's list. Which means Ewuare I too was concocted by Talbot and never existed, abi?

You nor sabi read


Check it well it wasnt spelt Ewuare but it was there

RedboneSmith:
The greatest of the Benin Oba, Oba Ewuare I is also missing from Roupell's list. Which means Ewuare I too was concocted by Talbot and never existed, abi?

The names omited by roupell was completed by esekhure
And oromiyan again was omitted

RamessesIV:
Lol am esan,is not about Yoruba but this need for sub-saharan people to claim north africa/middle east,where is the thread

Owioba

Thats true......

How would someone leave the shores of africa and go beyond the continet to trace it origin leaving behind the closest african countries


It spells inferiority complex all over thier comment for a 60page thread


Edo are more reasonable thinkers than our brothers from the west

https://www.nairaland.com/5824498/benin-ife-never-connections-more

RamessesIV:
Lol Edo actually

Hmm wetin u dey find for Yoruba thread

Come join us for benin-ife connection, i hope you have nor been yorubanise

What part of edo are you from

RamessesIV:
Hausa,lol and I thought he got it from Yoruba Muslims who traded with berbers,lol all this connecting to east africa,to sudan,to egypt,to middle east I really don't get what people are looking for,sub-saharan africa is large and very diverse genetically is very possible our ancestors created indigenous culture,and as that shared similarity waist beads can be found down to dome places in east africa,did they develop independently,was there a migration,ohh is just modern trans-african cultural exchange These are kind of questions I like to ask,not everytime middle east,egypt,sudan ethiopia

Finally a Yoruba who sees what i see

MightySparrow:
Black and dishonesty are 5 and 6. Soon they will say the oyinbo didn't colonize africa

What do you mean..........


Am just saying the fact with prove bring yours

It was all a political stunt to claim supiority as the topmost ruler among the chief of council in the former western region

The oba had accepted the Oduduwa genealogy inother to claim his political ambitions towards the chairmanship of the council of chiefs in the western region


There was never the coming of oromiyan to benin it was just a myth coined by the oba of benin to trace the obaship to yorubas for his political aspirations

The first attachment is a list of Obas compiled at different times. the circle indicates a list from 1898.. There is no mention of Oranmiyan there, till the Talbot list from 1930..
The second attachment confirms Talbot as being the first person to decieve the Yorubas that Oduduwa/Oramiyan founded Benin Kingdom.


Even if we want ro believe this connection

There was no written account given by both party
Before 1800

The excavation carried out at orun oba ado was found empty

The benin and ife art are way not alike unlike owo artwork which has same semblance with ife


Roupell list of obaship was composed at 1898 a year after benin invasion and the biggest part of benin history oromiyan was not even told to Roupell in his book untill after the 1900 when the emerge of oromiyan into benin history by talbot

jonahhh:
Nor worry you go born grl and she will also go to school and will be focused on boys not her caree or studies... This is why we have damaged girls everywhere

You think all ladies who comes out with first class left as a virgin.........

Did you leave university before having sex if you are to be sincere

AreaFada2:
My dear, Owo at some point paid tribute. Proper Owo history doesn't even deny this. But mostly Owo and Benin saw each other as brothers.

True Owo was always much more autonomous. Never really strict tribute conditions as imposed on others. Many towns near Owo happily admit their mostly Benin links and Origin. Like Ipele/Upele, only 15km from Owo who admit being largely descendants of Oba Ozolua of Benin.

Cultural flow was mutual too between Owo and Benin. And of course marriages between royalties and nobility both ways.

If you listen to Orlando Owoh songs you will notice some Owo twangs in it, despite only his mother coming from Owo.

Even the monarchical system are pretty close.
Technically all of Eastern Yorubaaland was Benin sphere of influence. The rest belonged to Oyo up to North Central before the Jihadists too much territory from Oyo.

You will notice that Deji Arakale did not run to Owo in 1818. He knew no chance of protection there. Even the Ewi of Ado sent him packing quickly too

Note that Benin Empire was from 1440 to 1897. Growing and shrinking at times. Like Lagos lost to the British in 1850s. While Oyo empire was from 1680s to about 1830s. A much shorter period. A period of slave trade boom too.

As for Ife conquering everywhere, such are not recognised in Benin or Oyo. Both empires respect and admired fellow conquerors. Even Modakeke people next door to Ife would doubt such Ife conquest story.

I straddle both Owo and Benin so nothing to gain putting one above another.

You tried to be meek but you shyes from the truth

We conquered them and brought the rebellious kings head to benin

IDENNAA:
An Atani or Onicha man has more in common with a person from Imo to an Agbor man. Personally , I would want Ika to join Bini. Meanwhile, Osadebe is a common name found primarily i n Anambra and Enuani...so are Osakwe , Mordi , Nwosa , Chukwuma etc. Also , bear in mind that most westrern Igbos were originally from Anambra. Even Ogboli of Onicha has strong Nri elements.

We are not claiming igbos as benin
We are yet to even accept the other part of edo as benins not to say far away igbo
Although some very few benin people migrated to those areas to establish kingship
Some was indirect kingship i. E an already established benin kingship in the east break out and migrated to a new settlement were they form another benin kingship

IDENNAA:
Firstly , the Op never said isee was "removing the indigenous one". He maintained he read a book where he saw a variant word in "Ofooo." An intelligent person who has studied the Igbo people may learn the people use various words from clan to clan that means same thing yet different in pronunciation. For instance , some Igbo say "kawo" , "daalu" , "imeela" "deje" ,"deme", "ndewo" and they all mean the same thing , thank you! You Nigerians misunderstand Igbo because of your own ignorance...dont blame us. The Igbo is the most diverse both in language , looks and thoughts. You cant put the Igbo in a box.

First off, Bini doesnt have the clout to colonize nor influence little villages around them and this has been confirmed by the fact that they could barely retain their original tongue and no group around them spoke Bini. You are not powerful and you didnt control jack! Eventually , Igbo will replace your already extinct Bini tongue.

The western Igbo are over 70% Anambra migrants , 10% Edo , 10% Igala , 10% others. They were probably and could be much older than you given their population. You developed a monarchy system and it ends there!

Before Bini learned how to make coral beads we were already making beads for Nze na Ozo titled men using the reddish stones found at the bottom of Omanbala river....Our beads are more reddish and stand out....I will post it

Lol, the coral beads you have are new versions of the benin corql bead

If you dont agree on this one

I will have to request an early 1800 picture of an igbo man wearing bead


Would you say this hand fan his igbo........


This is chief ezomo 1897 pics

davidnazee:
Why are you always so angry?? You can't win an arguement you result to insults.. Well all that doesn't change the fact that you are dumb and shallow..
anyways since u keep asking for sources that won't change your mind on your deluded beliefs here is some for u.
The first attachment is a list of Obas compiled at different times. the circle indicates a list from 1898.. There is no mention of Oranmiyan there, till the Talbot list from 1930..
The second attachment confirms Talbot as being the first person to decieve the Yorubas that Oduduwa/Oramiyan founded Benin Kingdom.

Now you can continue with your foolish arguement.

More greese to ur elbow

Udoskybest:
I know this is a very wrong time to trouble y'all with my personal issues seeing we're all troubled by the persistent rise in figures of persons with or suspected to have contracted the novel Covid 19. But this issue is really of pressing concern to me and I'll appreciate your sincere contribution(s).

I love my girl so much and have gone extra miles for her. I'm in my mid 20s, comfortable but not rich. My girl is still a student in a nursing college and we reside in same state though she still stays with her parents...

She is too demanding and arrogant when there's a little delay in delivery of her never ending demand. Recently she demanded that I sub for her but my account was on red alert. I wanted to share her data from mine, MTN no gree. I explained to her and even sent her screenshot of the failed transaction only for her to call me by my name (which was unusual) and rained insults on me. I love her and wish to walk her down the aisle but I'm confused now.
What should I do??

Ur dick still dey raise for that kind girl......

Her toto don finsh your head



One advice

Invite her over and Bleep her pussy wen she dey scream remove d prick let her beg and apologize for insulting you.... Before u put ur dick back

Shimzyy:
Big gbola Na the hungry her
Instead of studying her books she's busy studying the guy and wishing to see him always

If dem check u now na prevert you be


Na all this nonsense yans na dey make our ladies not fit express themselves

If na gbola dey hungry her leave her she b human beign

Nonsense

Filomena:
there's this guy I met in school and there has been this connection between us.we have gradually become friends. i find myself staring at him most of the time and when he tries to catch me,I hide my face.ive also observed that he stares at me alot too and smiles and then says hey to me.we had a small talk in school too.
I didnt know he stayed in campus too so one night when I was going out to read,I saw him,like I couldn't believe it because I was hoping to see him again because I tot I was not going to see him again after they declared the two weeks strike,till it was called off.so I was really shocked and happy when I saw him,then he hugged me and hugged him too and held him tight.
so he then asked if this was my room and I told him yes,he told me he just escorted his friend that just finished cooking for him.i felt bad hearing that because I felt they had something more.so he then asked me which church I'd be attending the following day,I told him and he said okay..and told me good night.he didnt even ask for my phone number.i wonder why he didnt.
the other day he just saw me and didn't talk to me and i felt bad for that,so after that day I saw him and he was just busy staring at me and smiling and I wasnt really in the mood for that but I still stared back,he then told me hey and passed,he was with his friend and i greeted him too and passed.
so the last day i saw him,I was coming back from church and was hoping I'd see him again one last time before I travelled.lo and behold,I saw coming towards me with some of his friends.he then hugged me and we had a small chat.i was still hoping that he'd collect my number,still he didnt..
I dont know if he wants to have something with me or not.
since he's yet to ask for my number..
please guys I need your thought on this cuz I really want to go into a relationship with him..
I want to know if he likes me or bidding his time or just playing around.
thanks.

Start forgetting him.....

If you persist like this, one day he go use you count scores one time sex and dump you


Leave the nigga alone and run

They are so many ladies i have given this attitude to trust me run dont put bad thought in his mind


But if you like him that much tell him you can be his Bleep buddy no feelings attached.....

IDENNAA:
The market days which used to be place of worship which later become the ancient Igbo days of week, were used by your ancestors until the Europeans arrived and you changed it to align with the Roman calendar.


Nawa oo even Europe is not left out from this conspiracy

Now , you are claiming a common word nobody knew it's origin just like omi/mmili , okwute/okuta....i didn't see the Igbo or Yoruba claiming these shared words but here you are claiming heavens

So, did all the words shared between southern groups also originate from Bini ?

Have you seen me claiming all the world belonging to igbo or even a benin person creating a thread for it


The thread says the word Ise is fast becoming the general word for amen in the east removing the indigenous ones meaning the word ise was originally distinct from igbos

Ise is a word shared by western igbos and edo we can only draw the conclusion its from edo


Even if usa are world power today it will never rewrite it history that the British never colonized it, and had influenced over it

But over here in nigeria tribalism will not allow the truth to be the truth

Out of million of word in igbiod lexicon benin are telling you one was loaned from them
You won chop me..... Like benin never once at onetime smell of having contact with any igbo at anytime in history


Benin red coral beads are been worn today by igbos and other southern nigeria does it make it not benin owned

IDENNAA:
So , ise is an Edo word , meanwhile, the four market days are not Igbo....lmao

Una go argue tire...lol

We dont have four market days


We have different market days, we have ancient holidays too, and end of year celebration



Every clan in africa have market days

I just laff while reading comments


Small benin when nor even pass 7 local govt is always arguing with two big tribe igbo and yoruba almost all the time, what these big tribe always do is to try to belittle the benin influence over them......

If only other south south or even other part of edo can join hands, and help the benin people fight for its rightful history, there will be no more call for distortion of history from the two big tribe
Anymore
Jeez,

The two big tribe try to make benin influence over
Them look more like social-economic relationships and not necessarily subjugation



Even the Europeans recorded there was no time benin ceased from fighting wars they were always in combat fighting either eternal or external war even the oba was once a warrior king


Again


The op aim was to exclude her tribe from benin influence only that she forgot to read her history properly, owo&, benin were like five and six in the past and even the duke of my village lost his life in the benin and owo war in the past, and as a result the stool still remain vacant till date


Although it is interesting seeing a 7local govt area arguing with the two big tribe if the benins were not colonized on time maybe it influenced would have stretch to the north

And the benins will be faced arguing with the 3 big tribe


All Benins should be proud because even till date benins have been moving the affairs of nigeria foward despite thier 7local govt area they have......

davidnazee:
If no Ooni has ever visited Benin Kingdom don't u think there must be some underlying reasons or traditional requirements for such a visit? Afterall Benin Kingdom is one of the greatest kingdoms to exisit in Nigeria and your Ooni is well known as an owambe Ooni always going to parties, and has visited almost every kingdoms (small and big) in Nigeria..
Benin KIngdom must be special not just go visit anyhow..

This is the page he is always quoting to justify the ife-benin relationships that never existed

The curve is what he quotes as evidence of benin-ife relationships


The square is what he omit


The circle is the problem of the myth

AreaFada2:
Well, traditionally, Obas of Benin begin tour a year or two after coming to power. In the past it would be various past of the empire. In recent decades, he would do a thank you visit to monarchs who came to his coronation.
I witnessed Oba Erediauwa's maiden tour. Of course relatives were in his entourage. All the way to Sultan of Sokoto. Benin have no ties with the Sultan. I wrote about it years ago on another thread. 50 years from now, will people also begin reading meaning to their pictures with Etsu Nupe, Sultan of Sokoto, etc?

Oba Ewuare II has already toured Edo, Rivers, Cross River, Osun and many other places. They are all on YouTube.

As at the time of Oba Akenzua, Edo was in colonial Western region, with parliament in Ibadan. Monarchs were parliament members.

Clearly these are related monarchs. I see no reason why such meeting should be interpreted in any other way.

Oba Okunade Sijuade in particular knew how Benin and Ife relate. Surprisingly he had the chance to elaborate when pressed by the Lagos Weekend paper in early 1990s but he didn't. He would have been on record now. Whether one agrees or not with his views

As the old guard gradually depart, revisionist theories will emerge.

How did Benin and ife relate

ChinenyeN:
It seems "ise" as an expression was something that spread around and became more popular in recent years, akin to how "igba nkwu" and "ndeewo" have become more commonplace or otherwise "standard".

From what I could gather, it would seem various groups had their own ways of expressing agreement in an "Amen" soft of fashion. In Ngwa, for instance, it is kpoo. I know Echie has theirs that is not "ise", but I don't remember what they say exactly. Asa and Ndoki also have theirs, but "ise" has become commonplace within their enclaves, so we hear a lot of it within their communities.

Ise is an edo word for amen.....

The word ise spread from anioma to the igbos in fhe east

TAO11:
No one insulted you, Edo boy.

I only asked for Yoruba and Italian names.

I also asked if you're aware that Ewuare2 (just like his fathers) came to Oranmiyan grove in Ife to seal his ascension rites. Lol

This is what am talking about.....

Your overzealous emotional comment

Why lol why are you so been ecstatic while quoting......


Just learn to remove emotions while debating

Most times am forced to believe you got some psychological problems

How would a lady be so abusive to your extent

Osagyefo98:
Anioma is a recent acronym and stop equating it to Igbo. Before Anioma was coined Osadebe has been born and answering his father's name. So stop conflicting the two terms because they are entirely different. Osadebe is older than anything called anioma because it just a recent term.

That been said which other total Igbo Influence than his name that signifies who he is. I still repeat that he cannot be wiser than his father.


All these issues are caused by your brothers with strange analysis. Sound analysis must be diplomatic to achieve the desired goal.

He cannot be wiser than his father what are you saying are trying to be bigoted or you trying to impress me with your bigotry

Every parents prays for his son to be better than them, the mistakes of the father is mostly corrected by his children.........

The power rest on him to make the laws now,
Whatever degree suit him becomes a law

The king is not saying they should start bearing edo names or speak edo language what he is saying the should maintain thier identity as agbor

Instead of argument with bigoted mind who will rather not share any ideas without being bigoted i will rather go in silent and do proper research to validate the ife-benin connections whatever i find i will create a thread to educate everyone


In other to beat this myth of ife-benin relationships a proper reduction has to be done

TAO11:
Which historian??

Moreover, how does that change the fact that your Oba Ewuare2 (just like his fathers) came to pay homage at Ile-Ife groves (i.e. Orun Oba Ado site and Oranmiyan groove) upon his ascension??


I'm about to start dealing with you here too.

What is your Yoruba name and your Italian name??

You never get sense..........

Dont mention me before you begin raining abuses on your generation


Learn to debate without been so emotional

If you have to pass any information do it without been emotional so your message will be passed
Many people have complained on your fiery tongue but instead to cool it down, you keep adding fire to it..........



Go and learn how to talk no one is your mate or your family members you will be rainy insult on because they are debating you...........

macof:
Capital No.

That's like asking if George Washington was from East Asia

But your kings men believe so, i can bring works of historians who admit to this fact