₦airaland Forum

Moneywomen17:
my friend shut up. Long before Nigeria majority king in Yoruba land except the ugbo king have always traced their origin to oduduwa. That’s how they ascertain their legitimacy to be king. From Nigeria to Benin republic and Togo oduduwa is known.

hayoholla:
Greyboy wey not ft use im grey matters take reason, is that one a greygboy

Moneywomen17:
shut up there and stop ur rubbish. They know their own history not u. Oduduwa is nothing political except maybe ur oba who u claimed sold ur people. Oduduwa name is known all over yoruba land. Even the ugbo king who is not from oduduwa descendants acknowledge him albeit in a different manner to other Yoruba kings.

Moneywomen17:
u wicked.

Obalufon:
we are not talking about benin here so shut the Bleep up
!

Moneywomen17:
which fake scholar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwrtaEEFNWw
I know u can’t understand French so u probably don’t know what the prof is talking about. But here is a screenshot in the video. Oduduwa is known from Benin to Togo and it has nothing to do with any fake naija politics it’s just the truth.

Moneywomen17:
my friend shut up. Long before Nigeria majority king in Yoruba land except the ugbo king have always traced their origin to oduduwa. That’s how they ascertain their legitimacy to be king. From Nigeria to Benin republic and Togo oduduwa is known.

lawani:
ibadan was the successor of oyo and prior to the civil war, Ijesa,ekiti,akure,benin were paying tribute to Ibadan. Ibadan managed to subdue everywhere. The owa obokun is a son of oduduwas from Ife.

lawani:
you use strangers or enemies for human sacrifice so I am not saying the story is not true. Ife can't be using Ijebu because Ijebu is too far.

AreaFada2:
It's quite astonishing how a supposed woman can easily show bad manners in public.

We made it clear here long ago that we can all agree to disagree but everyone one has the right to passionately put their views across. Hopefully everyone will learn a thing or two.

Why they would be using uncouth language is probably due to intolerance. A situation that in the past in South West relatives suffered immense physical persecution, immense loss of property and assets, even being deposed, for.

The pain is that thought twisting Benin history would be a doddle. They forget that the silence of Benin people wasn't due to ignorance but the belief that detractors are wasting their time. That is still true but now we have new generations of people who get their information from social media. Unlike a generation ago. To not correct erroneous assertions of detractors would be a mistake now.
A Benin girl born and bred in Lagos once said with confidence online that Benin people come from Yoruba.

She called herself a proud Benin girl but knew nothing about her clan. Based in questions I asked her about her morning greeting.

In the end she admitted that Yoruba people always told her that Benin people come from Yoruba. She has never read any book by a Benin historian or any historian on Benin.
She had no idea about Benin reign in Lagos or Eastern Yorubaaland.

In her mind being called part of Yoruba as a Benin person made her feel accepted by Yorubas in a Yoruba cultural environment. But she could not see the implications of that "acceptance" as a Greek gift.

That even some of our people not anchored to their roots can be fed with distorted history makes it imperative to speak up.

samuk:
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_the_Yorubas.html?id=7XSiGw4_qlAC

This is what the Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson recorded about the Ijesa relationship with Ife. Check the attached link above.

Ife preferred to use Ijesa people for human sacrifices until the British abolished it in 1893.

The history of the Yoruba people, Samuel Johnson, page 21, 1921.

On same page 21, it was recorded that the Ijebus were also used for human sacrifices.

Suddenly all of them are now claiming Ife princes and princesses.

Don't forget Samuel Johnson was alive in 1893 when the British abolished human sacrifices, this is what I call eyewitness account.

samuk:
This is what the Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson recorded about the Ijesa relationship with Ife.

Ife preferred to use Ijesa people for human sacrifices until the British abolished it in 1893.

The history of the Yoruba people, Samuel Johnson, page 21, 1921.

On same page 21, it was recorded that the Ijebus were also used for human sacrifices.

Suddenly all of them are now claiming Ife princes and princesses.

Don't forget Samuel Johnson was alive in 1893 when the British abolished human sacrifices, this is what I call eyewitness account.

TAO11:
Shut up!

You have already contradicted yourself on this before.

You said it wasnt the Yorubas who came up with the connection.

You wrote for weeks that it was your Obas who sold you cheap and fabricated the connection with Ife for cheap political gains.

Did you not say that? So, why are you now trying hard to change the narrative just a few days later?

You have to make up your mind, little boy.

lawani:
You are not qualified for the errand you are sending yourself if you don't even know the immediate neighbor of your Benin empire.

lawani:
Ijesa is an independent state bordering Benin.

lawani:
I am a proud Ijesa, we share boundary with Benin.

Obalufon:
what is your stress with yoruba issue. Mr man. you seems to be obsessed with yoruba or just sheer hatred or jealousy only a bastard yoruba will not see intention of your...

lawani:
you are wrong. Oduduwa is in our oral history. I am a proud Ijesa.

lawani:
Nice

davidnazee:
We are still celebrating our history with no cause for alarm. It’s just these inferior people desperately trying to use Benin to boost their ego.

davidnazee:
Very true bro.
It would have been laughable to say Edo people descended from Yorubas.
Yorubas should go research their little known history and leave Edos to celebrate their own rich history.

lawani:
If you reawake the Benin empire today, what language do you think you will be speaking to hold the empire together if not Yoruba?.

davidnazee:
I won’t blame Oba Eweka for agreeing to the Benin-Ife story.. he must have known that the Yorubas (Ooni and Alafin) are servants and puppets of the British. So claiming to be brothers with the puppets will probably put him in good standing with the British and secure his throne.
It’s the Obas after Oba Eweka that should have denounced outright such relationship.

2prexios:
There are countless ways the founding fathers of the Yoruba civilization had tried to reach us with wealth of information and knowledge that has formed the bedrock of Yoruba culture.

One of such sees to the invention of oriki, meaning "geneological praise". It's definitely a great family poetry that seems ordinary but loaded with meaning. I will start with my family oriki, ile latii keso r'ode.

samuk:
They claimed that all their foremost Yoruba historians from Samuel Ajayi Crowther, Samuel Johnson to R. C. C. Law wrote nonsense, the only history that makes sense to their tribal egos are the latterday revisionist stories.

davidnazee:
Please what’s the meaning of famzing? Does it mean lies and fabrications? Because the article posted by greyboy shows most stories around Ife are lies and fabrications.

samuk:
The Yoruba can believe whatever they want to believe but they should try as much as to limit their beliefs to themselves.

There is absolutely no basis for comparing Benin iron cast history that was bath and watered with thousands of blood of both fallen heroes, heroines, including kings and victims for centuries with Ife recycled myths of 19th century.

The written history of Benin up till 1897 can't be changed by mere wishful thinking of detractors, the best they can do is to conjure and misrepresent what was written, it's left for the Benin that come across such fabrications to always point out that there was nothing written about Benin/Ife relationship in the first four hundred years of Benin history.

It has been proven here that Benin written history made no mention of Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan for the first four hundred years.

Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan came into Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897. All recycled myths and inconsistencies in the accounts of the origin of Oduduwa have carried on since.

In the past 100 years Oduduwa has assumed various forms and personalities, from being a mythical figure from the sky, Mecca indigine, Benin prince and most recently Ife indigine.

Those that want to continue debating myths as history are free to do so.

There will always been indisputable facts until proven otherwise.

1. Benin had nothing to do with Ife for the first four hundred years of Benin written history.

2. Benin kingdom influence was felt for centuries in what is today, Western, South Eastern, South Southern and Middle Belt Nigeria.

3. After the British put an end to Benin empire in 1897, the Oba of Benin continue to remain the custodian of the Benin culture, spiritual head and guardian.

4. Some of those the British freed from the clutches of the Benin empire have found new religious, political and spiritual leadership in the Sultan of Sokoto. Nothing to be jealous about because Benin, a southern minority had their turn for 500 years. The Northern minority Fulani caliphate is less than 250 years into their political, religious and spiritual subjugation and are yet to influence majority of the south southern and south eastern people.

5. Whenever Nigeria is restructured, Benin will continue to maintain it's independent religious and spiritual identity and those that want to steal Benin history will continue to look up north for religious and spiritual guidance.

There are absolutely no basis to compare Benin empire history with Yoruba history and Oba of Benin with any Yoruba Oba because most Yoruba people and Obas are under the Sultan of Sokoto religiously and spiritually.

To some, anyone that doesn't agree with their recycled 20th and 21th centuries myths and fabrications are ignorant and illiterate.

The Yoruba had the opportunity in 1897 to chat an independent course after the fall of Benin but they refused, they should stop dragging Benin history into the mould with their inferiority complex and religious and spiritual slave mentality.

They come here to parrot Ife and Ooni as the cradle of Yoruba civilisation but look to the caliphate for spiritual guidance. They can't begin their annual religious and spiritual practice without their supreme leader, the Sultan of Sokoto siting the moon and give the go ahead.

Myths hardly stand the test of time, the reason the myth of Ife and Oduduwa being the religious, spiritual and cultural homeland of the Yoruba have crumbled is less that a century.

They are quick to point to the Igbos as having no history, if you have concrete history that are not myths, why would it crumbled already.

Benin real history is growing stronger in spite of all that have been thrown at it.

Yes the Benin people are stubborn in protecting their history and heritage.