₦airaland Forum

Originalsly:
..... and you went on to make reference of Columbus's discoveries.

Bro.... common sense.... how can you discover something if you were not the first there? No man ever.... was at the beginning nor end of the River Niger?... until Mungo Park?... did he discover/explore the upper Niger River? And how can Columbus discover lands that were already inhabited? What does your common sense tell you?

@ topic. I think we are getting mixed up with what were the native crops of Africa. No doubt.... most places have crops and animals that were foreign to those areas and imported from others. Palm now dominates Malaysia.... but that doesn't make it a native/original crop. As far as planting crops as we know it today.... that was not the African way of life. So does that mean they never ate plant based foods? Why would one even think that pretty much tropical Africa had no plants to feed the people..... until the Europeans came?
We have a serious inferiority complex problem and don't even know.

You don't discover something by just sight alone, discoveries are given credit to if you write what you saw and document it...
This has been a tradition that has been applied since ages to encourage people to write down things they have encounteres
It is not just applying to africans alone but to the world

googi:
One has to wonder if this generation is as messed up as the generation that exchange gold for mirrors.

No wonder Nigerians claim they are from Israel and Egypt. Didn't you guys learn anything that Africa is the origin of plants and animals to the New World?

You think those who left Sudan for Egypt and Mesopotamia left without plants and animals?

Only God of Israel and Mecca can solve your mumurism.

Now when this guy discuss anything, I now realize his frame of mind.

Mere claims

Our forest are made of tall trees and varieties of vegetables
But most food crops ventured into africa by contact with the europeans those tales of africa as an acient civilization holds no water on this article
People migrated into uninhabited lands were they meet food crops. They necessarily dont always go with food crops to plant because before thier arrival the plant may have died along the way they would usual go with abundant food supply

Even European are not left out if you read the articles you would see the benins introduced plaintain to Britain ,probably it didnt grow in thier region thats why you dont see it in Britain today

Do you still wonder why most europeans eat leaves(vegetables) because they were just like africans who really had no food crops but dwell on vegetables all food crips in european countries and even america are imported till today becuse thier vegetation cant grow th

The Portuguese on the other hand bought all this food crops from asia and traded them around the world for money , the Portuguese happen to lived in an environment that suported the growth of this crops ( Mediterranean region)

The crops were mostly brought from asia and south america especially brazil

Little wonder why the asian population grew becausr of abudant of food crops

Thank you

sassysure:
The problem should be documentation from what I can get from history.
U see some things that have been existing for long in sub Saharan Africa especially being named by European explorers or introduced to us by them.
Our food crops( we should have some cos all countries must have something originally from them)we're taken away by them and re- introduced to us.

Even now,we still don't have proper documentation.

Schools don't teach our history rather, it's more of the history of the outside world.
Everybody is busy pursuing national cake

Plaintains i think were original to west africa the benins called banana the white men plamtain when they saw it

The britsh were amazed when benin offered them plaintain and they wrote about it ,
Food crops had been shared all rouns the world even Europeans are not left out

The issue is not documentation alone the issue we lack the zeal to research to explore our past and future ,
Youre inquisitive now and wonder which crops africa had before the arrival of historian then go and do research and write articles about your findings

HallaDaTruth:
As a bini guy you have disappointed me beyond measure. Your culture is one of the richest in the universe yet you speak like this. You dare tell me that one of the greatest empire which is Egyptian empire and benin empire was built on the power of Romans ?. If you talk this thing for home before your traditional rulers na you know wetin you go take your eye see. Don't you know that most of the greatest empires were in Africa before the rise of Rome. Cartage empire was in North Africa too. Have you heard of negroland empire where the word negros comes from. Have you even read of the great things done by the semites aka the real children of Israel who migrated to West Africa when they ran from roman persecution before the slave trade era ? And that is what you call empty pride ? You no be real bini guy. I wan make you come home come make that statement before council of chiefs, na dat time you go know say chicken and Eagle no be mate. So for your mind this article you posted has helped Africans ehn. I no sure say you dey bibi dey type this rubbish

Calm down we are not here to fight we are here to make an understanding and further our research

I was inquisitive to know why our natural vegetation didn't naturally grow our food crops ,with the knowledge that casava was foreign ,i began making research online till i found the article ,i would have disputed the articles ,if i was not an edo person were the Portuguese made 60 impact in our culture they were so many fact they mentioned that can still be found in edo today,

I will ask you to read the articles and pay a close looks at your environment and other environment around you ,you will find the articles weren't completely wrong

tpiar:
I'm suspecting perhaps the population of Africa wasn't as much in olden times, hence the food crops might not have been able to sustain the eventual increase in numbers.

So it's possible people had to bring crops from other climes that were more beneficial and easier to cultivate and could feed the growing numbers of people, including immigrants.

Just a theory though. It would also mean most African (Nigerian) populations might not be indigenous to Africa, like they arrived at some point in time.

If you a look out our natural vegetation you will see its made of tree crops and grasses that perhaps not edible for eating
Across the continent the Portuguese had traded food crops around all the world,
Little wonder the asia population could increase because of abundant of food crops ,

On behalf of edos we reject this offer

We cant be guided by the asslickers of the northerners who are knowing to flee at a single sight of trouble


We would rather do it the igbo by killing them silently without the news media unaware

We kill them at sight near our farms end of story
And we give the medias false stories to masturbate on


God bless Nigeria
God bless edo state

Thats how the story of little mermaid began

HallaDaTruth:
Mr man THINK, did Africans not eat before these colonisers came ?. Africa existed before the colonial era for God sake. Who told you our fore fathers did not discover the beginning and end of Niger. Why was African history destroyed. Why was the greatest library to ever exist (The Library of Alexandria) burnt down by the Europeans. If you have chosen to believe a lie and claim its the truth. I have decided to seek the real truth. That's why i have vowed that my children will never learn that so called slave trade history because it damages something on the inside of Black people. Emancipate your mentality brother. Did Malaysia not come to Nigeria to take palm oil seeds. In future they might claim that it originated in Asia and future Africans like you will believe it. The biggest problem of Africa is that we don't keep records that's why some little white dude somewhere will come up with writeups like the one you posted. The second biggest problem with Africa is that there are people like you who chose to believe anything because it was written by a little white man. Wake up Brother.

My friend you're an afrocebtrist, youre simply finding hope or pride from were there is non,africans had not yet made history for themselves , the Egyptian history you claims on were built on the power of rome and europeans from rome so i wont regard or even take pride in it

You on the other hand is an afrocentrist fellow ,i am a humanist and i care on what is better for the world and not necessarily africa ,

Yea,Africans didnt keep written records who are we to blame the white and to what use would the white claim any glory from africans on food crops ,

You better acceot your dearest afrucans had failed in the past and its time for we to built it instead of spreading Afrocentrism with an empty pride

Am a Benin guy and i can attests that article weren't wrong ,it is easily glaring when you look at the Benin culture

And also your fore fathers didnt discover those rivers , discovery is not just coming outside to fetch water from a river ,its beyond that ,columbus discovered america would you also call it eurocentrism " on americans
My guy think you're not helping africans with such kind of emoty pride of yours

Rome was destroyed several times by gauls , and babarians and thier libaries were destroyed they lost so many works but did they as a result give excuse over it,

My guy think


If you want to prove this article wrong then bring a vital prove if not go home and think of how to help Africans

HallaDaTruth:
Really, so what you read in a book influenced by Europeans is right ?. Are you not aware that there are certain trees that only grows in Africa for example the udara / agbalumo tree and others. Please dig deeper. If some trees only grow in Africa, how da hell did the so called europeans introduce it to us. That was how they told us that mungo Park discovered a river full of people living in that area, they also told us that Christopher columbus discovered A country full of inhabitants. Throw away the white man's history books, they were not written for black people, they were written to inflate their egos

N:B Do you know that coffee was discovered in Africa ?. What about palm nuts etc Read more.

N:B on a final note, let's go to the Bible. Why did the whole world go to Egypt to buy food during the famine era where Joseph was prime minister. Remember ancient Egyptians and Israelites were Blacks. Ponder upon that.

Sir no one debated on that ,some crops are peculiar to africans , but most food crops are foreign to west africa and nigeria

There is no need to be Afrocentric about all this

And yea mungo park discovered river niger and benue he died in the cause of discovering in it ,he died out of malaria he wrote in details were the river had began and were it ended your fathers only discovered the part they fletched water from


I know you would come back and call my a whiteman slave but the truth remains the truth

HallaDaTruth:
We already had yams, pepper, vegetables, plantains and several palm trees species , cocoa etc in Eastern and Southern Nigeria. The North was known for her groundnuts, onions etc. That story is not fully true. Infact some of the plants in Asia and Europe were taken from Africa

Were is your prove this are mere claims your natural forest dont contain all this food you mentioned , even the other part of africa dont have all this food you mentioned because little or no trade was done with them by Europeans

googi:
Are you guys talking about all yams or one type of yams.

There are sweet yam (idunku), cocoyam that grows even without planting and variety of other yams I am sure others can educate us on.

All this varietes of yams are foreign even if they propagate without planting them or they grow as weed the fact remains they are foreign,
But i would choose" to believe cocoyam are naturally African

Africans diet before the arrival of the Europeans most especially Portuguese was mostly vegetables i wonder what they used in eating the vegetables before the arrival of cassava and yams

If you get to check our virgin forest you will get to agree with this article that all this food crops were foreigns to africa our natural forest comprises of tall flanked trees with zero food crops ,most of this food crops we eat today in Nigeria got into nigeria through the Portuguese trading with the benin people,the words of this food crops use to take the Portuguese names in the old benin lexicon ,even the brnin traditional livestock's they use for thier traditional worship were all brought by the Portuguese ,plants like cassava,yams,melon plant (egusi) ,watermelon and so mamy found it's way into africa through the help of the Portuguese

agadez007:
Egusi is not a bini food

My sister have stayed in Edo state where they call it Melon and never eguisi or whatever you claim

What food is it then ,lol a Nigerian food abi

If you further argue in this i will embarass you on this forum with your myopic thinking dont even try to further argue on this just go and do your research..

Most of you just come on nairaland to attack people statement without evidence

That is our delicacy most nigerians has turned to a general food just the way our local red beeds are now seeing as general beads

agadez007:
Egusi is not a bini food

My sister have stayed in Edo state where they call it Melon and never eguisi or whatever you claim

Eguisi is an edo soup no need for debate ...
I dont even need to bring historical records

It is called melon here in Benin from the plant
The Benin name us ogi"

Eguisi is a term Nigerians calls it ,

Egusi (melon soup) its not just a food the benins eat , it is a religious delicacy in the ancirnt times eating along with pounded yam and they maintained calling it d original name ogi(melon plant) and not egusi ,we already now know yams were brought from asia and was later brought by Portuguese to west africa and in the case of Nigeria it was brought to Benin by the Portuguese traders ,a guy also argued with me on this forum that pounded yam wasnt even Benin ,just to attack my claims


You dont just attack statement by mere clsims you wilk have to bring historical findings when you do ,

The last time i checked the coral beads won today by Nigerian is an edo bead ,because it is called bead or has its different names in different tribe does it change it origin

babasolution:
its a lie,you are brainwashed,the portugese learnt sailing from the moors,also improved technology from them also,besides the europeans already had some experience with improved way of doing things due to the availability of some naturally occuring aids like horses,which they used for not just transport but machines for work.You guys alsways rail on Africans,remember when the dutch met the kingdom of benin they compared it to amsterdam.You guys are just brainswashed thinking African were just some stupid people saved by whites.Infact our ancestors were better advanced than us,better technology led to the enslavement an ruin of Africa ,we had to start from scratch to build after being destroyed many times

The benin you praise have 40% of Portuguese cultural influence and they have 0% influence coming from benin

The popular pounded yam and eguisi
That is originally a Benin food and most nigerians have adopted to a general food was influenced by Portuguese,
Portuguese had brought yam to benin first in west africa which was later developed to pounded yam by the benin people we are yet to know if the melon plant was also foreign ,
The red coral beads worn by most nigerians was also brought by the Portuguese as raw materials which the benins made their beads from lets not talk about the white and red linen clothes

There is no originality in west african culture

babasolution:
Africans were probably not travellers because of challenges like the food problem,to travel you have to store food,and it was said Africa did not have many foods that could easily be stored.Its not that they were not travellers because they didnt want to travel,Africans travelled on land a lot,remember also that the horse was not native to Africa,even the camel and donkey,some travelling far was ardous on foot.

Africans never made of thier environment
Their disadvantage of this necessity should have led to thier development, europeans annexed Thiers which led them ahead ,
The Portuguese set to sea because of their bad economy in Portugal in search of what could restore back their economy but Africans relied 90% on thier gods for free thinking
It is not sad to me that this fact are true but its said because the whitemen had brought them,if africans had sailed to bring them there would have been a dignity in it

HallaDaTruth:
We already had yams, pepper, vegetables, plantains and several palm trees species , cocoa etc in Eastern and Southern Nigeria. The North was known for her groundnuts, onions etc. That story is not fully true. Infact some of the plants in Asia and Europe were taken from Africa

You are making mere claims and that is unnecessary ,the articles weren't completely wrong because they gave full prove which are substantial,
It is no news garri is not even african food then makes you feel garri that is so common to nigeria is foreign and the others were original...
Cassava we all know is foreign

babasolution:
i read somewere that Africa had a challenge of sustainable foods in ancient times,and that was why we had a challenge developing at the same pace as others.This book guns,germs and steel by p.diamond also explains that.Africa did not have as many naturally occuring edible foods like other regions as we have today which is said contributed to our slow development.

Yea, i could believe this , Portuguese resided in sao tome in africa were they had to train local inhabitants on cultivation,
On the fact that africans were mainly not travellers ,it took the effort of travellers to bring varieties of crops to the shores of africa

I read some articles online and i was shocked to see that most food crops were original foreign to africa ,and most of this food crops were brought by the Portuguese sailors and arab merchant
It is believed that sugarcane ,watermelon were brought to the North by Arabs merchant and other common found in northern, in southern nigeria which Portuguese had visited especially the benins it is belived they introduced yam to Benin ,yam had been imported from asia to west africa by the Portuguese, which probably had made the benin traditional delicacy pounded yam and eguisi ,
I doubt if the articles was actually true ,reading through the articles it looks like all food crops were imported and foreign to Africans especially west africa so what then did we eat before the arrival of this food crops.....?


How true could this be nlanders

Raphibian:
That wasn't the argument broh , goa and check the dominated kingdoms by the Yoruba's in Benin Republic , we have onipopo of popo, sabe, and ajase that is now called port novo by the Portuguese , changing names doesn't mean anything ,ilé ibinu was as coined to be Benin by the Portuguese

That's is a lie,
Nothing similar between ile_binu and benin
Benin was given by Portuguese without any coinage

Indeed Benin had planted kingship in the heart of all Yorubaland even in the sit of ife and Ijesha land ,Obakha to kpere ise!!

We don’t take pride in announcing it unlike our Yoruba counterpart that reads their history upside down in other to cause confusion

36STATES:
As far back as year 2006, I used to be the only one on Nigeriaworld and other newspapers telling
Nigerians that religion is man made and pastors are just the worst set of criminals you can ever meet.

I used to get so many condemnations and threats about hell fire and "touch not my anointed" crap. I must tell
you that I am so glad today that social media and availability of the internet have brought enlightenment to so many
Nigeria to the extent it is now very clear to everyone that pastors and the billionaire preachers are just conmen that actually don't believe in God. Because if they do, the fear of hell fire wouldn't have allowed them to continue scamming the sick and the poor among us with impunity.

Sir you were so bold at that time ooh ,some christan would have had your heas for dinner at that early times and the government would let him free,
Even i typing now as far back as 2006 i would killed anyone for the jewish guy but right now am so bold all the pastor run away from my debate

AshiraWealthy:
When you allow a teenager to be using phone.

Patronize him joor

And stop your hprocisy you could broke yours for just Akara and bead ,here you are forming sister Mary

franchasng:
You are just a boyfriend, you should know your stand always...a boyfriend is only a boyfriend and have no legal right to command his girlfriend to do his bidding....same goes for a girlfriend.


Boyfriend and girlfriend have no legal backing, it is just an unofficial sex-mate agreement (you don't keep goat and yam together in one barn, goat must eat yam when hungry unless the yam is rotten, so there is nothing like casual friends between a man and a woman who are not blood relations, the man must be devising means to eat the woman and maybe he has not yet succeeded and the gullible lady will be thinking the man is a saint lol), and any of the parties can choose to withdraw or engage other sex-mates if they so wish, guys must understand this.


Whatever you spend on your girlfriend is useless....spend only what you can ignore, don't spend what you cannot ignore on a girlfriend or boyfriend....and don't put all your mind and trust on a girlfriend because you can disappoint her (many boyfriends have disappointed their loyal girlfriends that ended up not finding someone else to marry at the end while the man goes ahead to marry another lady he felt had better qualities than his former girlfriend, so don't compel any girlfriend to remain loyal to you, if she chooses to be loyal to you, fine & good, if not, don't kill yourself but always use a condom for your own life & future, life is sweet, don't kill yourself because of a minute raw fun today, what's ahead is sweeter than what you have today), so don't blame the ladies because a lot of guys have disappointed their faithful loyal girlfriend who remained loyal/faithful to them for years, so there is no guarantee that you will marry her or treat her right at the long run and not change your mind when you meet a hotter chick with better qualities after all

I laugh you ,you want to have feminism...
And talk and be bold as a man in the society and get full right ....abi

What you said makes all sense to a feminist...
But when you look at it in world view you will know that women needs to remain women....

You are simply advocating for women to get to have multiple bf as long as the bridebprice is not yet paid what about the said bf allows it, then the ladys keeps to her numerous guys ,and the said bf one day pops the marriage proposal and the lady finds out she is pregnant and the said
think � I can't live without them ���� full well its not his backs out and feel hurt,the other bfs backout too because they are all aware she got numerous bf too
And no one would want to keep as a wife even if the babies belongs to one of tue guys ...she is now left with no future husband and becomes a single mother ,
You would still be one of the ladies out there to pour down abuses in her if she leaves close to you,
The highest that can happen to a man if he commits infedlity is finacial burden and if he is capable he can easily be regarded as a no issue for the man

The effect of promiscuousness of a lady is far greater than the man and dont even encourage a lady to ever be promiscuous

Igun street the home and centre of Benin acient art works everything about the street is historical ....

It is only the street in benin thats is made of interlocking ties since the military regime ,you can find both acient and modern artwork's along the street and you will see how this benin peopls made those ancient artwprks in the open

The benin moat , if you have the money you can pay a cab to take you round the benin moat,it extends as wide as benin city as a whole , they are some areas in benin where you get to ,you will not onlu notice the change of soil and dept of the ground you will notice the change of vegetation hecause people had built thier houses inside the alreday covering moat

If you also have time take a cab around ring road the centre of Benin it is peak of benin acient lost city ,if you can pay a good historian who would show you how unique the popular king square is to the ancient city ,you would see that benin still maintained the ancient city pattern

The fashion is totally sensless no sense on the fashion at all

The hair makes her looks like a mammoth carrying a mountain on his head then wearing a necklace on her hair was so absurd ....

Pounding on those attire was the heck of senseless.....

The world wont see anything beautiful in this photo rather than a disorganized Photoshop

Naso ....


Edo's have been changing the face of nigeria positively home and abroad since inception and this would not be the last

A minor state among other minor state but yet still making waves nationally ....


God bless edo state
God bless Nigeria

thundafire:
just shut up

Thunderfire you

Redman44:
Well said and spoken. God bless you.

The north are loosing thier language to hausas even the fulfude is not excluded here and why the hausas has not yet lost its language is because they have bluntly disallowed western education
When they beging to accept it the effect will take place....

Yorubas are fast losing thier language to the lagos yorubas take it or leave the population of yorubas who are educated are still way fewer than the igbos and they often dont travel like the igbos because of language barriers ( disadvantage)

Igbos are currently expriencing this because they are more exposed westernlly than the other tribes ,they travel alot so they fast loose thier langiage because of this and they can actually blend to any society....
If you dont like the way the igbos are loosi g thier language then you should as well tell them to stop frequent migration and cutoff any western education....

There is nothing special by the other two tribes keeping thier language soon or later they will loose it
Language will always be lost and gained

MelesZenawi:
Just yesterday.

That's cool.

Lol

Yea am sincere about it just yesterday i told her she should take upon an edo name
To her names ,

okpalaAnambra:
Igbo bu Igbo
Anambra kwenu
Imo kwenu
Ebonyi kwenu
Abia kwenu
Enugu kwenu
Anioma kwenu
Ikwerre kwenu
Igbanke kwenu
Benue Igbos kwenu
Cross River Igbos kwenu
Akwa Ibom Igbos kwenu
Kogi Igbos kwenu

Kwezue unu ooooooooooooooooo.....eeeeeeee
Iseeeeeeeeeeeeee

I met an ikwere gal yesterday at Uniben and i asked were are they originally from she said Benin,
So you can go back amd edit that ikwere part out

Angelfrost:
Jazz that can't put Oshiokomole where he truly belongs... Is that one jazz??!... Let's hear word abeg!!!

Where the jazz go when Yakubu Aiyegbeni dey miss open net??!...

Aiyegebeni jazzx was made from ogun state and by that its fake, after strict warnings aiyegebeni refused to come edo state to takr his jazz...

Who said we want both obaski and oshiomole in edo state, i would rather pick oshiomole as the lesser devil than pick obaseki ,come to benin oshiomoles works are more visable than the said obaski ,edo is just fighting off oshiomole against godfatherism and not necessarily because obaseki deserves edo state ....

Edo amaka


Nigeria amaka


Our jazzz has been a blessing to us since the time of the ogiso