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TAO11:
Your conclusion that no heads were buried at the site ab-initio is non-sequitur because it does not necessarily follow from the fact that no skulls were found at the site.

It does not necessarily follow because there can be more that one possible logical explanation for why no skulls were found at the site of the excavation:

(1) Yes, if no heads were buried there ab-initio, then no skulls would be found there in modern times.

(2) Also, if the buried heads were subsequently exhumed --- for ascension rites --- then no skulls would be found there in modern times.

You had assumed that case (1) was the one and only one deductible conclusion from the fact that no skulls were found there. No, case (2) is also equally plausible.

Having clarified that, there actually exists clear and direct historical information which shoots-down and writes-off case (1) as invalid.

For instance, Dr. R. E. Bradbury is noted --- by A. F. C. Ryder --- to have said that the Edo people themselves confirmed that certain messengers do carry an "Oba's remains" to Ife.

To quote the actual words of A. F. C. Ryder:

"In a personal communication, Dr R. E. Bradbury points out that 'the Edo speak of the messengers who carried the Oba's remains to Ife ..."

Reference:
A. F. C. Ryder, "A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship", The Journal of African History, Vol. 6, No. 1 (1965), footnote 10.


Moreover, the earliest and illustrious indigenous Bini historian, Chief Jacob Uwadiae Egharevba spells out some specific details of this practice.

He describes, for example, what is specifically meant by "Oba's remains" with some quite graphic detail, while also adding more details to the general observance of this practice. He writes:

"The head of the royal corpse was subsequently exhumed and taken to the royal ancestral grave at Ile-Ife; but this was only done in every third reign."

Reference:
J. U. Egharevba, Benin Law and Custom, (CMS Niger Press, Port Harcourt 1946), p.72.

In sum, not only do these historical statements and information shoot-down case (1) as invalid, they in fact uphold case (2) as valid.


More interesting than all the foregoing is the fact that Frank Willett did indeed make other interesting finds at Orun Oba Ado --- finds which I have realized to be an astonishing confirmation of this practice.

In the course of his excavation of Orun Oba Ado, and after some feet below the top soil level; Frank Willett found (among other things) big circular pits which he described as "burial pits".

In total, the number of "burial pits" he found at Orun Oba Ado was "eleven".

Reference:
WILLETT 2004: Chapter 1.3. cited in James W. Lankton, O. Akin Ige, & Thilo Rehren, "Early Primary Glass Production in Southern Nigeria", Journal of African Archaeology, Vol. 4 (1), 2006, pp.125-126.
See copy here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274431270_Early_primary_glass_production_in_southern_Nigeria


If this practice had happened in accordance with the details given by Chief Egharevba --- as cited above --- then an appropriate enumeration of Benin's past Obas should also yield the same number "eleven".

This number "eleven" will either confirm or debunk the practice.

Notice that Egharevba added that this practice of taking the exhumed heads of buried Benin Obas to Ife is only done in every third-reign.

Now, how many third-reigns are there between Oranmiyan's reign on one hand, and the reign before Ovoranmwen's on the other hand??

Note: Ovoranmwen's incomplete reign in 1897 marks the point from when the British intervened in Benin's polity when they exiled him to Calabar.

I challenge any Bini reading this to do the enumeration, and then revert back to this thread with the number to allow for a comparison with the "eleven" "burial pits" which Frank Willett found at Orun Oba Ado

See here for a complete listing of Benin kings from a pro-Edo source:
https://www.edoworld.net/Obas.html


Hint for enumerating the third-reigns:
-------------------------------------------------------------
1. A
2. B
3. C ☆
4. D
5. E
6. F ☆
7. G

The 1st third-reign is C,
The 2nd third-reign is F, etc.

In sum, from A to G, there are only "two" third-reigns.

Cheers!

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DonCandido
Amujale
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Lx3as
Opiletool
nisai
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Aphrygian
Olu317
Obalufon
geosegun


samuk
ghostwon
davidnazee
gregyboy

You're not that smart


You said the translation of regnum orguene it means kingdom of oghene if translated into English i did my own research and i found nothing like that, if you dont mind post a screenshot of the translation.... The geographical location of the wriiten document of regnum orguene gives otherwise

See at Picture 1


Also you're a very mischievous fellow

You posted a link, thanks to you i sat my ass to read the article and i found out alot

Gracias

Picture 2 mentioned in the link you posted that finding the king oghene as mentioned by benins to the Portuguese its most like going to be around
Nupe, oyo, igala, if we are to go by historical account benin had alot historical relationships with igala and they acknowledged them as great warriors, benin also fought wars with oyo, traded with nupes but ife would be argued

TAO11:
Lol! You're buying time.

(1) Anyways, for Oba Erediauwa's description of the Ooni of Ife as Oghene, I have refered you to his work. And the laughable excuse you came back with was rubbished in the sewage, after which you then kept shut on that point. Lol


(2) For the Portuguese's rendering of the Oghene as Ogané, etc., and for their learning at Benin kingdom that he is the most powerful monarch of the region; refer to the scholarly historical statements with detailed referencing in the 1st attachement below.


(3) For the 1525 French map which shows the words "Regnum Orguene" (Latin for: "Kingdom of the Oghene") written over the Nigeria region, with no recognition for Benin kingdom; see the 2nd attachment below.

Let me know if you have further questions.

cc: davidnazee ghostwon Lol

Post links

TAO11:
No! Lol

You struggle with English, let alone Arabic, or even Ibn Battuta's Maghrebi Arabic original.

You need to pay your own price of accessing materials by yourself without begging for help in order to save face.

The onus on me is to quote and provide references, including page number most times.

I may choose on my own volition to go beyond the call of duty as I please, or depending on convinience.

modified:
I just saw where you wrote "Ibn" as though that's his first name and Battûta his second name. hahaha!

Ibn is not his name in any way, okay?

Instead, it's an Arabic practice by which Arabs refer to a person not by their first name, but by saying: "son of so-so". Lol.

Cheers!

I just wanna say something its nice because without doubt i learnt from it,
Thanks anyway and checked the refrence i saw the site....


But bro those are excuses, no doubt also the name does not sound ife, it could be a mistaken identity ife we know is to easy to pronounce or even spell that one will find it difficult to say

Oghene in the map has no territorial boundary with southern nigeria

The story is alk full of crap

TAO11:
I'm just seeing the contention above which you posted to gregyboy in an attempt to dissuade him from considering evidence. Lol.

To be fair to you, it's a fair contention at least for a begginer like you. But to respond to it (and thus to stabilize poor gregyboy ):

Ibn Battûta's 1352 "Voyages to Asia and Africa" which popularized the Ife country of the time ---- to the Europeans --- contains a very important point as follows:

A country that "No white man can enter ... because the negros will kill him before he arrives." --- (p.410)

To me, that is quite a good incentive for why the Europeans won't want to take what appears to be a foolish risk.


Having said that, I'm still waiting on you to return to the burial issue.

Do you need more time? Lol.

Cheers!

cc: gregyboy

Please post links on the ibn reference

samuk:
Which of the Ife prince went and Established Lagos considering that Oba Ado who reigned from 1630-1669 was the second Oba of Lagos. He was son of Ashipa, whom the Oba of Benin appointed as the first ruler of Eko. Ado's son, Gabaro was the third Oba of Lagos.

The truth is the yorubas are themselves finding a source of history for themselves at the present world lucky Benin had interaction with, they saw it as a means to milk out any possible form of history to suit their aims and which they find it out not easy because esosa history is well detailed, I envy the toaf of a guy, tho he is left with empty and watering history by his people he had gone miles by reading both his people history and that of the esosa history to help him in his quest I acknowledged him for that if only we had an edo person who would do the-same it will go along way stopping any further misconceptions from distorters of edo history

2) ife only became popular in Yoruba history because of the connection with Benin same would be said by oduduwa the way the yorubas adorn oduduwa without any tangible credit than having a connection with Benin , oduduwa was not the first king or the last or even the progenitor of the Yoruba race but its popularity can only be attributed to Benin connection amongst the Yoruba if he had no connection with edo people he would have never have an history on his own

3) the issue of every Yoruba clan coming directly from ife speaks nothing but rewriting and a watery history of the Yoruba people , no sort of interclan migration amongst them

4) Orun oba ado which is scientifically and literally wrong the excavation on the site of Orun oba ado was empty no heads or body was found on the site and yet they still parade it , when it’s al cleared out

TAO11:
Are you wondering why Ado?

Ask and you shall be given.

You have nothing say than beating round the bush

TAO11:
By proof, I'm sure you're not ridiculously referring to a video footage of burial procession from Benin.

Anyways, I'm already doing that with samuk. Don't insult his intelligence by assuming he is not competent to carry on with me.

Or you may tell him publicly here to pass on the baton to you so I can face you squarely as soon as he agrees to.

Moreover, you're still owing me a homework submission on this same burial issue. It's about 7 months overdue.

I had already told you it's a lost battle for you before you even began

Benin was known as edo during oba ewuare reign and not during the time of ogiso when edo stepped into ife if any name could be use identify edo people in ife it would be ogodomigodo and not edo which is later
Arhun oba ado is a false conspiracy by tge yorubas to distort edo history

TAO11:
By proof, I'm sure you're not ridiculously referring to a video footage of burial procession from Benin.

Anyways, I'm already doing that with samuk. Don't insult his intelligence by assuming he is not competent to carry on with me.

Or you may tell him publicly here to pass on the baton to you so I can face you squarely as soon as he agrees to.

Moreover, you're still owing me a homework submission on this same burial issue. It's about 7 months overdue.

Let me point out some misconceptions

1. The Orun Oba Ado head claim was completely made up. It was ingenious, I admit, because Ado is definitely a Yoruba word for Benin (Edo). Unfortunately, it is simply not grounded in facts.
Igbo, for example, apart from being a word for forest or bush, is coincidentally the word for an ethnic group or nation that happens to be not too far from the Yoruba and also from the same language family. With the trend that the Ooni of Ife has advocated with regard to Orun Oba Ado, I wonder if he or his descendants will later start complaining if Igbo scholars at some later time exploit the abundance of the word Igbo (forest, bush, etc.) in ancient Yoruba sites, including Ife (Igbo Obameri, for an example of an Ife site) to start claiming that they (Igbos) laid these foundations in ancient times? See how distortion can backfire?

2. Egharevba introduced the claim that Eweka I ordered that upon his death his remains should be taken to Ife and that this was repeated in every third reign after him. There was never any reference to a head. The after death decapitation is precisely the abomination that makes the claim even sillier.
Orun Oba Ado, which supposedly means the spiritual domain of the Oba of Benin, is among the earliest – actually, the earliest – significant archaeological site in Ife, with radiocarbon dates going back to the 6th century AD, from one of Frank Willett’s numerous archaeological excavations in Ife (see 1968. Radiocarbon Dates, WAAN, IX, 73. and 1969. New Radiocarbon Dates for Ife, WAAN, XI, both by Frank Willett. Or, see Archaeology in Nigeria(1969) by Thurstan Shaw if you can’t access those articles.) The only comparable significant archaeological features of Ife are the ancient walls also dated to the 6th century. So 6th century Ife had earthen walls/ramparts and an important foundational site that was already or was to become the "spiritual domain" of Benin (whether on the initiative of Benin or Ife, doesn't really matter to me)?

So if you actually believe that Orun Oba Ado – the supposed spiritual domain of the Oba of Benin or the "the heaven of the kings of Benin"– which is at the heart of Ife near the Ife palace itself (by this I mean that is occupies a much more central location relative to the archaeological remains of Ife and the walls/ramparts of Ife, as contrasted with Ita Yemoo, for example, which is on the periphery) and is conspicuously close to Opa Oranmiyan, is tied to Benin, surely you can see the implications of this. Backfire #2. Once again, distortion bites the hand that feeds it .

3. You don’t seem to have grasped what a real burial of a king of Benin was like in olden times so let me give it to you in full detail and I hope you can use your immense knowledge of Ifa to divine the point at which the head is taken and enlighten the rest of us:

"Among others, there is in the kingdom of Benin an ancient custom, observed to the present day, that when the king dies, the people all assemble in a large field, in the centre of which is a very deep well, wider at the bottom than at the mouth. They cast the body of the dead king into this well, and all his friends and servants gather round, and those who are judged to have been most dear to and favoured by the king (this includes not a few, as all are anxious for the honour) voluntarily go down and keep him company. When they have done so, the people place a great stone over the mouth of the well, and remain by it day and night. On the second day a few deputies remove the stone, and ask those below what they know, and if any of them have already gone to serve the king; and the reply is, No. On the third day the same question is asked, and someone then replies that so-and-so, mentioning a name, has been the first to go, and so-and-so the second. It is considered highly praiseworthy to be the first, and he is spoken of with the greatest admiration by all the people, and considered happy and blessed. After four or five days all these unfortunate people die. When this is apparent to those above, since none reply to their questions, they inform their new king; who causes a great fire to be lit near the well, where numerous animals are roasted. These are given to the people to eat, and he with great ceremony is declared to be the true king, and takes the oath to govern well." - From the account of a 'Voyage from Lisbona to the island of San Thomé south of the Equator, described by a Portuguese pilot, and sent to his magnificence Count Rimondo della Torre, gentleman of Verona, and translated from the Portuguese into Italian', published in Giovanni Battista Ramusio (1550), and retranslated by Blake (1942), i, pp. 150-1. The account was written in about the year 1540, according to Blake, and 'the author may have been one of the scores of Portuguese pilots who at this time were familiar with the navigation from Lisbon to the island of São Thomé'. - From the book Nigerian Perspectives (2nd ed.) by Thomas Hodgkin

4. “No human remains or artifacts of Benin culture were found in six burials excavated at Arun-Oba-Ado”

The source for this conclusion being Frank Willett’s article in the book The African Iron Age, P. L. SHINNIE, (ed.)

TAO11:
Regarding your point about burial, do you want to discuss that?

Ask gregyboy, he will confess how I showed him pepper on that point.

Wait, gregyboy you still haven't submitted the homework I gave you on this burial thing. It's about 7 months overdue now.

You're also defaulting submission on the homework I gave you about the Oduduwa festival which the Binis still celebrate.

samuk, let me know if you want to stand by your point about burial.

You are diluded fellow you always bask in fairytale and assume them as realities

If i refuse to argue on this it will give rooms for fellow doubters,

Bring your proves benins buried thier kings head in ife

samuk:
Guy,

You have time to waste and to listen to garbage as history.

They are telling you that the Early Europeans heard about this God King in Ife as far back as the 1300s and Benin confirmed his existence in 1400s when they visited Benin, yet as curious as the early Europeans were, they didn't find their way or ask the Benin to take them to Ife to go and see this almighty God king and established a link directly with him, instead they decided to open a diplomatic relationship with a lesser Benin King to the extent of even exchanging ambassadors and sending Roman Catholic priests to Benin.

There are scarcely any early eye witness European accounts of this God king in Ife, no account of the people he ruled over, no mention of Yoruba people anywhere in the 1300s, 1400s, 1500s, 1600s 1700 by any of the European countries that visited the region now referred to as Nigeria.

You allow this baby historians to start manufacturing stories for you as history.

How all these make sense to these guys make me wonder what they smoke.

These people come to Benin in the name of studying Benin history, grabs some dates here and there, go back home and begin the process of revision to elevates their villages and hamlets.

They always have to mention Benin for their lies to sound authentic.

Benin has to be the one to tell the European how great and mighty the Ife King was, yet no historical exploit that they can point to that make Ooni so great.

Their evidence of the greatness of Ife and Ooni are,

1. The Benin told the Portuguese about one Oghene and today historians now believe that the Oghene has to be Ooni of Ife. Who are the modern day historians?

2. Oba Erediawa said so.

They also tell you that every Oba of Benin was buried in a special place in Ife, unknown to them, the Oba of Benin is the only one that is buried in Ogbe quarters in Benin, no one else is allowed for this simple reason.

Only four Oba of Benin were not buried in Ogbe for various reasons and we know where their graves are in Edo state.

Nonsense.

I wanted to embarass him publicly and personally but you did a great job tho

TAO11:
Wow! See humility in your tone. Willing to be educated!

(1) Anyways to proceed with your request for quality education:

What I am driving at is the very same thing the ancient Binis have always drove at --- including a modern Oba of Benin like Omo N'Oba Erediauwa as I have shown, namely that:

The kings of Ife were referred to in ancient Benin kingdom as Oghene --- God Almighty himself incarnated.

The earliest Portuguese seafarers have first heard tells about the Ife country and its sovereign while they were still in Europe from the 1352 account of Ibn Battûta.

Then when they visited Benin in the late 1400s, they learnt from Benin kingdom that his 'name' is Oghene.

The Europeans rendered this 'name' variously as Orguene, Ogané, Organa, Hooguanee, among other foreign renderings.

The Portuguese were also told by the Binis that this Oghene is "the most powerful monarch" of the region.

So, the point I am driving at becomes extremely clear.


(2) The specific argument macof was putting forward (which I actually haven't contributed to until now) was in response to ghostwon who was arguing to the effect that Benin kingdom (but no Yoruba kingdom) feautured on early maps of Africa.

macof however debunked his delusions by putting forward a number of ancient maps including a 1525 French map showing the the words Regnum Orguene (Latin for: The Kingdom of the Oghene) written over the Nigeria region.

Interestingly, Benin kingdom was not considered worthy of featuring on this particular 1525 map.

I hope you are now super clear what the discussion was all about.

Cheers!

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This are mere claims you know i dont dwell on claims bring prove... I want to see links maps writeup that made you draw this conclusion so we can draw it from there together

If you leave it like this there are mere clsims that remain unproven

TAO11:
(1) Lol. I knew I was about to cause you to deny something about your Benin heritage.

In all your career of receiving flogging from me, this is the worst cheap excuse you've ever imagined and submitted.

Lad, no Yoruba will ever dedicate a whole webpage in an Edo name, "fraudulently" edit Oba Erediauwa's copy-righted work, and then finally conclude that Oduduwa was an Edo son --- the very thing against which he has set out to painstakingly risk doing all these so-called forgery.

You're incredibly d.umb! You need to stop living in denial and with inferiority complex.

(2) The word "Oghene" may also simply mean "King"?? Hmm! A refreshing perspective. Erediauwa, I think you are honest. What do you say to this?

Anyways even this damage control of yours is ineffectual. This is because Omo N'Oba Erediauwa himself had clarified this years earlier that he meant God Almighty.

He is quoted in Eweka (1992) to have noted that it was God Almighty himself who gave birth to the first Oba of Benin as his last born son.

Riddle me that! Lol.

See: E. B. Eweka, "Evolution of Benin Chieftancy Titles", UNIBEN Press (1992), p. 2. cited in Roger Blench & Matthew Spriggs, "Archaeology and Language 1: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations" (2004), p. 314.


(3) You seem to have comprehension issues, or you're simply pretending to.

No where did the piece you just read (or any piece for that matter) mention that Oduduwa was called Oghene in IFE. No it clearly says "whom the BENIN people called".

So, your cheap excuse of "probably Oduduwa brought the name Oghene to Ife" may have worked only if the piece had said "whom the IFE people called". Unfortunately for you, it didn't say that. Sorry!

You, therefore, remain stuck with Oghene for Ooni as a bonafide Edo boy.

And whether Oduduwa was an Edo prince? World-class historians say no. See my comment at the link below for details on that:

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523

What arr driving out with the word oghene

You brothers lay claim to an area in the early centuries name oghene in the Portuguese map and he is referencing it to ife,
Which does not coexist or tally

Am trying to understand were you were also driving to in our last post ob the oghene debate,
I bet it wasn far from what macof is insinuating

TAO11:
Haha! Boy o' boy! Where have you been hididng?!

"Confronted"?
Lol. As is to be expected, your first comment to me since a long while turns out to be a blatant lie. You never dissapoint!

Anyways, you dared not confront me! In fact, there couldn't have been any reason for you to, as I always provide detailed references.

I sometimes even go beyond the call of duty by helping you search the references



However, what you had said the last time regarding Oghene was that you are technologically incompetent and clueless regarding how to verify the academic references by yourself.

And then you begged me for help which I chose to decline.


Having said that consider the following:

Although his account his fraught with amateurish pseudohistory and deliberate spinnings, some truths (such as the use of Oghene for an Ooni) are nevertheless still admitted by Omo N'Oba N'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo, Erediauwa II in his May 2004 The Benin-Ife Connection.

See: https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

Hmm, that article looks so edited it was contradictiong itself at so many point, it looks forged, by the Yoruba people

Anyway oghene is an edo delta world for king you hear words oghenosa they are chiefs who bears the name oghene in benin and it delta areas oghene means king or god it is used interchangeably so i would say the Benin called oghene to refer to the king of ife,
Probably Oduduwa brought the name oghene to ife, if that would be accepted then its not a debate that Oduduwa is an edo prince

TAO11:
Nice one macof!

Keep up the great service.

I will also be joining in to this debate in the nearest time.

Keep schooling the deliberately ignorant Edo slave of the Yorubas, that is, ghostwon ---whom I have beaten blue and black so much as to cause him to dissociate himself from his prolog3111 account.

It appears it is hightime he dissociated himself from this account ghostwon account as well.

One thing you can be sure of is that, he feels extremely inferior to you for your being Yoruba, but at the same time he is a diagnosed mythomaniac.

Encountering a Yoruba persons brings him agonizing memories of the conquest of yore which he is nevertheless stuck with as an Edo.

I kind of understand his frustrations to be frank, despite often using him for entertainment and leisure.

But what he needs to realize as a matter of urgency is that the quantum of quality schooling he has received at our hands --- as proud and noble Yorubas that we are --- can severely damage and destroy his self-inflicted ignorance.

ghostwon aka prolog3111, you can't continue living a lie, or can you?

I had confronted you about the oghene you link to yoruba as wrong, you all have resulted in twisting history to benefits your aims

Nonsense tribe edos are akways hete to debunk your fake lies

MelesZenawi:
Hmmmm


Anybody coming from Italy to Edo state this period should not be allowed.

You took your enemiety from the other thread here

That's pure Witchcraft

AmuDimpka:
After Igbanke Igbo would move further ...then Yoruba would move further from Akoko while Ijaw would move further from Gelegele


U ain't seen nothing ....Ozuor

And so fucking what, hope you take your people and leave our lands...


Idiot stop priding yourself in pop

AmuDimpka:
Wait let me ask your mother

Ogun dey kill you,

And your stricken alimajiri brothers when they sell for express road all over nigeeia


Mumu tribe he is even proud that that they have one billion local govt, wetin dem they use the local govt dey do,

Ozour population is decreasing around the world and this fool is happy they got population to themselves, it will take one local govt people to crush that useless local govt you take as pride into dust,

Mumu stop bragging with your pop it amount to nothing it it doesnt amount to greatness
You should be ashamed you are priding yourself with pop like it amount to greatness

Benins had that little pop and could control trade all over the southern nigeria that is called greatness, but igbos having that pop crushing edo in battle is not assume as greatness


Big fool i was reasoning with a sensible man from the east and you came from nowere to brag on useless population fool that you're

AmuDimpka:
You guys are weaklins ... You have your land taken by Ijaws ! You have only two local government ...Oredo and Egor, Esan don't send you and mind you in former biafra Igbo defeated you easily ! In short it was a walk over and would always do that ...Igbo have the means and the population....

Also , Gelegele is off you...ijaw has aken it forever and you can't fight ijaw ! They have Niger population also

And finally, ye Igbo never included you in the former biafra and they aren't even including you in he doesn't biafra ....what we can do after biafra is go colonise you and that will be easier and you guys would be pleased for it

Whois this mad man

Were did they release you from

MelesZenawi:
My dear we aren't quarrelling.....Not at all.

@bolded...and I am very happy you stated it clear because that has been the issue and the case.

Okay let me throw the question to you before submitting further...

What's the way forward?

Lets agitate for the deamagamation of the southern nigeria and not just the eastern referendum we all in the south are glamouring for one thing if the yorubas decides to still support the north then we will leave them behind

We cant support the igbos wen we keep hearing biafra

MelesZenawi:
Link only showed coronation but in anyway all these are not substantiated.

History is not just something to fabricate, it is seen year after year.

Today a Benin man reasons like a Yoruba man and both agreed and understand easily same as an Urhobo man...this shows how history works meaning both have been in the train for a long time while In Igbos is purely the opposite as both never agree showing the history is more like business and conquest.

You cannot claim years of co-habiting and hardly agree on any issue, that simply tells you the relationship never existed rather it was hostile.

Both explanation says it all.

Am benin and we think think like a fucking weakling tribe like yorubas or a self thinking tribe like igbo, i support sharing the country into two halves north and south, i fucking dont support Biafra because the agenda is narrowed to only thr igbos and not the whole of Southern Nigeria
I Keep telling the Yorubas they are the issue of this country
I praise the igbo man more than the Yoruba people

So what the Bleep are you saying

MelesZenawi:
You are a blatant liar.

Oba of Benin presides over few local governments in Edo state.

I wonder how someone was so influential just to lose it in twinkle of an eye.

The Benin narrative is full of lies and moreover that was then and not now.

Anything Benin ends in Edo state and similarities with yorubas.

That's all.

Am talking of as early as 19century

MelesZenawi:
Obaseki is an Edo man please.
Stop this narrative please.

I just tiya

If you want to tell a stiey tell it proper and not half baked

AreaFada2:
It's obvious you have a different agenda. Your own is possibly to Stoke disaffection.

My point is simple enough. Benin has and had people of different ethnicities for centuries. Many distinguished themselves and are now even part of Benin elite. Like Governor Obaseki whose great great grandfather came from Anioma.

The grand parents were benins
The oba had appiint them to rule the anioma people obaseki had left anioma areas back to edo because life wasnt easy for him there

Lol,

Yorubas are lamenting for stealing history

This guy has been reading his history books wrongly and thats why he is going depressed if he know all he had read wasn't actually true he would have long accepted the truth but now is too late

I would advice him to take half bottle of sniper in the morning and one at nite that will do it

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Kennyswag:
shut up ode..
Egusi is not an igbo word or igbo soup..
And we don't claim ogbono or ugu cause we know it ain't ours..
Shut up and learn

Ogbonor is an esan soup it may be an igbo word but not an igbo soup

Ogu pumkin plant is not an igbo plant. At all pumpkin dont grow naturally in the east

We acknowledged they are igbo words but never an igbo items

AmuDimpka:
Benin is a minority tribe heavily influenced by Igbo via eze chima amd Nri priest ... We introduced how to count days to them via 4 market days and a whole lot plus Smith's works

Nigcas be talkinf shit and mess from his mouth

Adeba01:
It's a shame, life was a lot better before

They are disadvantage in the simple lifestyle you glamoured for, and there are advantage of living in this present as well as well as disadvantage but change. Is one thing constant to man

You should as well tell everyone to go back to were they once were before the European interaction with its outside continent, if you are grieving for africa or west africa you should grisve foe Europe too the number of migrant going to thier country erasing thier true race, distorting thier economy and yet they still maintain librality and treat us humam than our leaders here in affica

If africa was to be developed as Europe and europe was underdeveloped like africa and Europeans troop in to benefit from Africa i will be rascist towards them, but there they are allowing we africans have a life in thier country

African population shouldn't bother you if indian, china can do great with thier population that is far bigger than ours then we have no excuse,
And no one would want to go back to how they are centuries ago and not even the Europeans you speak of

AreaFada2:
Egusi the name is not Benin. Read the post of the person I quoted and posts leading to that.
Benin call it Ikpogi.

Then you should make it clesr before you give wrong info unintentionally

Yujin:
If my write-up is full of claims, what are yours full of? Facts? I won't waste my time on you because you're highly ignorant. Today, egwusi soup is accredited to Igbos and we proudly flaunt its ownership. You can shout from now till forever, without any solid facts to prove otherwise, you're merely wasting your time.
On Ugu, pumpkin leaves have been with us for long and we've been using it judiciously. Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that ugu is associated with Igbos just like the moringa (kuka) leaves are associated with the Hausas. No Bini soup is popular. You've to worry why this is so and not come here trying to claim our popular egwusi soup. Lol

Whatever suit you.....
Is a fact all igbo cultures were borrowed and never unique to them

AreaFada2:
No Edo person ever claimed Egusi was Edo claim was an Edo name.
Na Una dey claim everything and try dictate to others with is theirs and what's not.

Are you saying egusi soup is not benin am nof understanding you here