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OLAADEGBU:
How large was Noah's Ark?

In the Bible, God commands Noah to build a boat that is 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high in advance of a great flood.

Now the question you should ask yourself is how many species of living things do we have?

Secondly is this Noah story really true?

OLAADEGBU:
Who sold you the lie that dinosaurs weren't saved by Noah's Ark?

this dude are you actually serious ? Cause Noah’s ark isn’t big enough to carry half of all species on earth

In my opinion I think the reason why people believe in god is probably the way we evolved. It deals with the way the human mind is. We natural seek answers for things we cannot answer like “where did we come from”, “where are we going”. The human mind is very good at imagination, that was how we imagine different faces in sky. We are just good at recognising patterns. Using our common sense to deduct answers all made sense Before science came.

Now that children become indoctrinated with different religious myth from birth, it becomes difficult for them to accept how the universe works without the need of a creator.

We humans did not evolve to think or understand quantum mechanics, we evolved to survive that’s why it is easy for people to believe this religious myths than to think deeply.


So what’s your opinion on why we have people who believe in god

hahn:
72 virgins everyday

if you finish the virgins in heaven what will be left for those who actually killed for this belief

lastmessenger:
The exact plan of God after the life on this earth has not yet been spelt out and no Christian can say exactly. But the descriptions we read in the bible are there to let us know that the life after now will be a much more advanced kind of life. Far better than what we presently have.I believe there will be activities and work to do. Intact its a different system entirely.

how do you know this. You’re not more special than anyone on earth, neither have you left this earth to witness what happens after death, but you believe your holy book is right. How do you want people to accept what your holy book is saying if it was wrong about the origin of life it would surely be wrong about what happens after life.

Again let me also point out to you that the heaven Christians talk about are not really like we are gonna be living inside the sky. Revelation told us of a new heaven and a new earth. I believe God will bring a new earth and new heaven and superimpose it on this present earth bringing the heavenly order to reign on this earth.

well I do not believe this

Lastly if God can create this earth and make it so interesting to you,he is also capable of creating another system and make it interesting. Everything is a gift of God. Your feelings are a gift of God. So think beyond what you feel and see this from the angle of God who can make all things possible

interesting with words volcanoes, tornadoes etc.

In the bible heaven is the place where god lives. Christians say he’s everywhere. But heaven is his throne. Well I think the reason why most believers find the place appealing is probably because it is assumed to be sinless.

But I do not find heaven appealing as it would be boring for me. If I found worshiping god while I’m on earth as boring and I only lived for hundred years now imagine how I would regret my life worshipping the same god for eternity. I would drop a quote from popular atheist Christopher Hitchens “By trying to adjust to the findings that it once tried so viciously to ban and repress, religion has only succeeded in restating the same questions that undermined it in earlier epochs. What kind of designer or creator is so wasteful and capricious and approximate? What kind of designer or creator is so cruel and indifferent? And—most of all—what kind of designer or creator only chooses to “reveal” himself to semi-stupefied peasants in desert regions?”

tartar9:
Allah created the universe from nothing,so we dont believe your statement in the first place @geoworldedu

but how will you make this extraordinary claim to defend Allah. There’s no evidence to defend allahs existence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Is this a masquerade competition?

johnydon22:
Alright then, let me tell you how even natural selection can be compatible with design.

Have you considered the scenario where this designer instead of personally making modifications to his designs imbued in them the ability to modify and adapt in relation to their ecosystem?

Hence, adaptability of organisms along the line to survive and thrive (natural selection) is a model by design of the designer?

Just as we are trying to do with A.I. create programs that learn and evolve.

See? How logically, natural selection can still be compatible with design?

well an ID might have started the first life but there’s not evidence for it. Evolution by natural selection has never been been debated if it’s right or wrong amongst scientist.

Well this should be a debate for philosophers and the religious ones.

shadeyinka:
Better!
By using my Spiritual sense!

do you actually think this thread is for jokers?

You don’t expect me to believe this.

This is untestable. You can claim to be the son of Jesus. But there’s is no way we can get Jesus’s DNA, so we can match it with yours to test the authenticity of your claim.

shadeyinka:
I don't have a god!
I have a God!

okay so how do you sense that God?

shadeyinka:
Or seeing what you are blind to!

The fact that a community of blind people cannot differentiate between colours doesn't mean colours don't exist.

It's all about your senses and perceptions: are your receptors functioning OK?

so let’s conclude that you use a part of your sense to perceive god ?

johnydon22:
Dude, when you are discussing the conceptual or logical possibility of something, there is no physical evidence required only a logical validity of the point is required to make the argument.

When someone says: Evolution is compatible with design.

This is a subject to logical proof in the discussion because it deals with ideas "evolution" and "intelligent design"

Seems like you like using the word "evidence" a lot even where it is not necessary.

And yes, one can easily prove that evolution is compatible with design.

Take a look at a car

calm down and listen. Evolution by natural selection and intelligent design are not compatible.

Natural selection is the process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring.

Intelligent design the theory that life, or the universe, cannot have arisen by chance and was designed and created by some intelligent entity.

Evolution by Natural selection never claimed it was the origin of life or so. It was abiogenesis that claimed to know the origin of life on how life can arise from non living matter.

Yes ID Is compatible with evolution by artificial selection . But not with natural selection

Logical argument can never be used to prove what’s true or not. The purported logic is to make deductions.

If 1 boy has two eyes
Then 2 boys have four eyes.

I can use this false analogy argument

These cars are complex
They require an ID

the human eye is complex
It requires an. ID

the cars are complex
It was made in 2007

Human eye is complex
it was made in 2007

We do not know if it’s true or not. You need evidence to show what’s true or not.

jesusjnr:
I fully understand where you're coming from, for someone who thinks evolution by natural selection is compatible with the big bang.

Well that distinguishes us, for in my own belief the Creation takes the place of the big bang in yours, for we have the evolution by natural selection in common.

Only that in mine, evolution by natural selection is not according to Darwin but the jesusjnr evolution theory which is coming soon.

well I hope your evolution by jesusjnr theory will come with evidence

shadeyinka:
Oh no!
To you, existence is strictly limited to the Physical
For Me, existence isn't strictly limited to the physical but also encompasses the Spiritual.
While the physical require Physical data and the associated,
The Spiritual is strictly from a subjective experience.

The fact that it is subjective doesn't make it less real. It's only that it's realm is different.

well I can’t prove your spiritual claim right or wrong because it’s not testable. I can also claim I have three invisible horns on my head. That claim is untestable. So I’m sorry if I don’t take your spiritual claim serious without evidence ( don’t cite the bible as your reference)

shadeyinka:
To you it may not be true. Everything in life is about choices we make among options.

yes everyone is entitled to his or her wrong opinion. But you can’t say your theory (colloquially) is a fact without any data. A fact without data is just an opinion. And that’s the category god falls in

elijahkayode:
lol brother we all have free will & choose
it's only Satan that enforce it self on humanity, not easy for him thou because he still has to tempt and oppress us.

1. Without freewill humanity wouldn't have fell from Eden
2. It was freewill that made the snake (evil one) rebelled against his creator (God), he wouldn't have gone mad with wisdom (if he wasn't exerting his free will) by trying to usurp God from his Throne

first of all your actions are a function of external conditions. From the definition of free will you gave you indirectly stated that if our choices are determined an external force then it’s not free will
Well let me give you an example that will prove to you free will is an illusion
If you had the same atoms that osama bin laden had you’d have been a terrorist. You’ve no choice over it because living things are just biochemical puppets

shadeyinka:
I didn't use the bible as evidence for you to believe. I used it to show where I got my information from.

I didn't write the Bible and even if you don't believe, it works for me!

I'm happy you find solace from the bible. But it doesn’t make it true.

shadeyinka:
Of course Spiritual lights need not have a source!
Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

shadeyinka stop using the bible as evidence. Imagine if I make a claim that I have three dragons at home and you ask me for evidence then I start telling you to check my diary would you actually take me seriously?

shadeyinka:
This light is that which dispels darkness!
The Light is a form of Energy that illuminates!

Light could be Physical or Spiritual: Genesis wasn't specific on the nature of the Light at creation.

okay this isn’t a falsifiable claim. But when you talk the physical light you must need a source for the light. But your spiritual light is in falsifiable

shadeyinka:
Gen 1:1-3:
1. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In the beginning is a time in the past when God created the heavens and the earth. No one knows when this beginning was as a scientist, one can speculate the beginning as the time of the Big bang.


2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

This was the state of the earth at this point. Some theologians speculate that something dreadful happened to submerge the earth (which was created from the beginning) in both water and darkness. No one is sure of what really happened: but it is assumed that the fall of Lucifer threw the world into the great darkness.

No one knows the interval of time before verse 1 and 2 of Genesis 1:



3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

This marks the beginning of the 6000 years in question. If you like , call it a recreation of the earth. Light (not the Sun) was the first creation in this sense.

what was this light ?

ABCthings:
Is it logical for something to come out of nothing? See how you life is devoid of common sense.

Lemme tell you shame in advance
'cos las,las una no go reply again.

do you understand what a scientific theory is ?
it seems you don’t even understand the Big Bang. It never claimed the universe came from nothing. It said the universe started from a singularity. So I’m sure you’d ask what case before the Big Bang the answer is we do not know !

There are overwhelming evidence for the Big Bang but non for your god

landmark86:
So anybody that now repairs phones, laptops are now Engineers?
NSE & COREN need to do sumtin on this.

Mr Tunde is a phone repairer not engineer, pls let show sum respect for those that studied Engineering courses, tnx.

well many people just use the term engineer any how even those who went to polytechnic still call themselves engineers instead of technologist or technicians

Interesting post

Only GOD has the dimension of your life in hand so when he makes a partner for you he does so with your dimension in mind and GOD is not only building the dimension for the present, he also knows the elastic limit; your expansion.

Well as a matter of fact I know free will is an illusion.

But I see a lot of Christians saying god gave us free will to do as we like. So at first let us define free will.
Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded.

But if god has a plan according to lyoncrescent then we do not have the free will Christians y’all about . I could be wrong

kkins25:
An artificial intelligence with its own mind created lets say a robot? The robots refer to the artificial intelligence as FATHER. Would it be safe to say the artificial intelligence has no Maker

why? Without any reason you give an exception for the intelligent designer. It’s not fair!

johnydon22:
Basically all life including microbes is the example

but natural selection gives evidence and explains how microbes evolved from still simpler stuffs

LordReed:
Soon™ God's Plan™

gods time is not mans time

EmperorHarry:
Well there are peeps who are open minded and could just view from a different perspective if you would only shine a littel more light in their darkness.


It's still an assumption but Okay!



Its now your claiming that evolution has nothing to do with origin of life when you use it to support your arguments when refuting ID. The big bang has never been a first cause but it becomes a problem when it is used to refute ID as an alternate "valid" explanation as you have done in the past.

Natural selection and Big Bang are scientific theories! Not an hypothesis oooo
i have never said they’re the first cause.
ID actually started when people saw complex life and they thought how did this things get here. Paley brought about the watch maker argument. Natural selection explains how complex and diverse life came to be. So except they’re using the ID for the first cause argument in which there’s no evidence for that also

Okay I’m listening

Billy0naire:
Yes.

Billy0naire:
Evolution is a fact of course.

Big Bang is not true.

Any evidence to refute this ?

SheikhMuniru:
You Must Be A Yoruba Xtian, Your Xtians Counterpart From Ipig And Biafool Region Are Disturbing The Peace And Progress Of Nigeria, What Can You Say To This?

point of correction I’m an atheist. I have no business with the iPod or isis. You can cry what ever you want but Islam isn’t peaceful