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RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 10:27pm On May 09, 2016
NLjona:
keep it rolling boss.. im with you..... u told me to call my ex nd grow d tension .. i did.. actually she called three times aftr she missed my call bt i dint pick up.. latr in the evening i called her sayin that a friend was with mu phone and she (female) didnt tell me.. we talked, laughed, still kept sayin she has miseed me.. n[b]d that if we wld meet wat wil happen[/b].. i said thay she will run nd gv me a hug nd probably kiss me.. wink she said i shld call her 2mao bt i bounced her.. nd that was how she[b] wished me a sweet, lovely, wonderful night (according to her)[/b].. then i cut the call.. how did i do? from wat ive learnt here i probably have to leave her for now ..like no contact. or if she calls i ignore ..more like keeping her on tension... pls guide me on this.. thanks a lot
U stepping up gee,

@1st bolded, I wud hv told her, " nah , I'm not prepared to meet u anytime soon , the way u've bin saying u miss me, u might just get me drunk n rape me! "

ouch! Punchline from d dutch rhyme !

The deal is to paint it like she is trying to do u by all means..... Always remember that

@2nd bolded, i wud hv sounded surprised n said " is that i gud thing? Cos the last time a gurl wished me that, she kept runing tru my mind tru d night while i was sleeping! , n no, u ain't invited!"

Yea, u ignore her sometimes, ignore her 40% ..... Keep building d tension 60% n honing ur skills .

N make sure u guys only talk wen u want u guys to talk
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op):
HARDDON:
Wen u finally dail the line: u must not call more than twice if she isn't taken . don't send a msg either, relax n let her call back.

Make it a principle, never to call any lady u r interested in or u r dating more than twice. If u set the stage this way, they wud always rush to pick d phone when its u ringing.

u must throw in one or two lights n bow out.
Don't ask her out , the first or second time u talkin on phone.

Nb: the phone douse alota tension so use it to ur advantage . be witty be funny, think on ur feet n burst her balls !

U can even ........ to her over the phone b4 u even invite her out for the first time! And u can't imagine the anticipation u wud have built up while @ it!

This is one of my best weapon. We seal d deal on phone b4 we see, she wud practically be all over u, or she be glowing n weak from anticipation when u finally meet. The rest as they say is history.
Drop simple lines: when she picks n says hello, with a deep relaxed voice, say like u talking to urself " r u sure I got d right number? This voice sounds masculine! " grin

She wud laugh , while she is @ it, drop the call, like d laughter scared u off.

Some might call back, most wud, just to tell u she is d one!
Don't take immediately , let it ring a while b4 picking,

Then hit back thus " for once I tot I turned gay over night!... U scared d egg outa my balls! " cheesy

Btw, here is how to keep a convo going .... U string it or weave a new one
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 6:57pm On May 09, 2016
Wen u finally dail the line: u must not call more than twice if she isn't taken . don't send a msg either, relax n let her call back.

Make it a principle, never to call any lady u r interested in or u r dating more than twice. If u set the stage this way, they wud always rush to pick d phone when its u ringing.

u must throw in one or two lights n bow out.
Don't ask her out , the first or second time u talkin on phone.

Nb: the phone douse alota tension so use it to ur advantage . be witty be funny, think on ur feet n burst her balls !

U can even ........ to her over the phone b4 u even invite her out for the first time! And u can't imagine the anticipation u wud have built up while @ it!

This is one of my best weapon. We seal d deal on phone b4 we see, she wud practically be all over u, or she be glowing n weak from anticipation when u finally meet. The rest as they say is history.
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 6:40pm On May 09, 2016
After getting her line n rolling out , u MUST not call that very day. Anticipation is a master key in tuning up the tension


SENCE PILL 13: Men Like switch, get flipped On. Women like Nobe, get tuned up



Take ur time, stay a day or two or a week b4 calling .

As u grow in this lane, u might be having up to 10 within a week, so don't get surprised wen it takes u weeks or u even tend to forget about some. N they might end up calling u wen they have waited n u ain't calling .

As a rule of thumb, always take charge of the convo, whether its u calling or not
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 5:56pm On May 09, 2016
Guys, for those that didn't know, the first call is the most important aspect of ur life with a new dame.
What u say, do, how u act , respond to questions , voice tone and a host of other things , determine whether u wud further tune the heat up,or tune it down low.

Low isnt gud
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op):
DRILL NUGGET 3 : Making the first call, for how long n for what
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 8:35am On May 07, 2016
NLjona:
thanks bro... BT I wish I did more.. anyhow sha I've learnt more.. tho m still learning BT boy!! I wanna b lk u guys jare... baba for the girls!! wink ... but just one last thing.. what abt communication?... I mean lk ill kill the vibe if I start calling her up ryt.. so Hw do I make her call me so often without looking clingy or needy... apart from that, m a great conversationalist Nd a witty Nd funny guy too.. funny enuf I was once am introvert before pple lk you showed up Nd I was determined to change. thanks a lot..
Wit d hope u keep d tension growing when everbu guys talk, I expect u call her n as u dropin u tell her until she return ur call, u ain't calling back n make sure u stick to it.. That way , it relives u of stress n acting clingy


Btw, don't spend all day talking to her, u ain't planning wedding now r u? Only wedding planners talk for long.

Be the first to cut d call
RomanceRe: Question For The Ladies!! What Will You Do In This Situation? [photo] by HARDDON: 7:49am On May 07, 2016
ebyoma:
And how sure are you she showed up with an empty purse?? (unless you're dating a teenager).

Besides she didn't beg to be taken out he did so he should be a man
PH be real u:

Tell us when last did u take as much as a purse on ur first dates? angry

U just assume he call out, he foot bills!
RomanceRe: This Is What Love Looks Like(pics) by HARDDON: 4:13am On May 07, 2016
nikkypearl:
grin grin nigerian men dont have time for all these! all they think we want is money, money, money!

The two posters below me eh! shocked shocked
Where went d I'd rather cry in a Bugatti Dan laugh on a keke? angry



Op, pics r refreshing! Just d perfect idea from creation!

We wudnt live a thousand years, the lil hundred + we wud live, we can as well njoy it!
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 4:01am On May 07, 2016
We hv deviated so much due to questions. But I'm glad people r getting results, so we keep deviating


Now we get back on track ....ehmmm

Where were we?
RomanceRe: Question For The Ladies!! What Will You Do In This Situation? [photo] by HARDDON: 3:19am On May 07, 2016
KingCheezyPuff:
[color=#a74ac7]grin You had me laughing hard
..Do I at least get some of the take away?
...Or do you deny me that as you've denied me my goodbye kiss? grin
[/color]
Laughing? shocked
Tot ladies that have been so heart broken by lota guys rarely laugh? tongue



Hungry Gurl , keep wishing for take away!
When u took me away n I took food away!

Don't know y u even had d feintest idea u'd ,@ d very least, get a gnyt kiss

Didn't u see my lips were too rich for yours?
Common Gurl, learn to cut ur clothes according to ur cloth!
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op):
NLjona:
bro it worked.... later she found out it was me and she was shocked and she even said she couldn't believe I was the one giving her such "high tension".. then I said " hope I didn't shock you?" she laughed .. kept saying that she missed me... of course I didn't respond to it too.. she started asking how I was and I answered then told her I'm busy that we'll talk some other time.... how did I do?... and pls what's the next setups cos I might just go back to that forest.. wink .. thanks a lot
$leek!

How did she find out though?

If I were the one this is what I wud have replied Bout the high tension: " what do u expect wen u go hugging transformers? "

Hope ur skin is think enough now, if not, u'd get blown! N I don't mean that in a sexy way!" ( give a wicked laughter)

Seek to keep the flow going , not to kill it. Your response to that killed d flow.
Gerrit?


SENSE PILL 11: When a Gurl tells u she missed U, Reply thus: Yea, If I were u, I'd miss ME too!
Or say, Yea I miss ME too!

Never keep quite, it shows u r confused for words. Fighting urself cos u don't wano tell her back u missed her!

But kudos u kept Quiet though, way better than telling her u missed her too !


Never tell a lady u Luv her, miss her, can't wait to meet her! Twist it around

Instead of saying you missed her, tel her " I know u missed me so much, I may make out time for u this Friday, but don't count on it ooo ..... U taking charge!

See?

U did well over all ,

What next? Keep honing ur skills with her! Like i said b4. She is a gud practise ground .....! Until she begs to see u, keep doing u ! N make sure u meet other gurls while @ it!
RomanceRe: Question For The Ladies!! What Will You Do In This Situation? [photo] by HARDDON: 2:44am On May 07, 2016
KingCheezyPuff:
[color=#A74AC7]°•I'm no rapist!!! angry
°•I'll behave as a perfect lady should.
I'd buy you a 4 course meal at 5star restaurant an take you dancing after if that's what you like wink
....An after I'll take you home an won't even beg fer a goodnight kiss.
.....you'll offer that freely tongue[/color]
That is the first statement that pops out of most rapists; "I'm no rapist" even when u catch them in d act! tongue

N ur perfect lady behaviour wud put me on edge because I wud just know u have a hidden agenda( yea I got that from d experiences of been a guy)

If I wasnt off ur league( ouch! #murder!) I wud have jumped @ d offer, eat meal, order alota take away. Ofcos we can go dancing n drinking thereafter.

Just as wen i notice u getting tipsy, we go home: but I wud only stop @ ur gate, bid u farewell n be gone! Even b4 u utter a word with ur seductive eyes.
Leave u hanging with ur colourless drippings inbtw ur legs! tongue shocked grin

N shatter all ur hopes n plans of getting a lil som som tongue cheesy

I'm not ur average Jones, Jane! there r guys money can't move , B00bs Cant blur , B00ty can't blow . cool
RomanceRe: Question For The Ladies!! What Will You Do In This Situation? [photo] by HARDDON: 2:16am On May 07, 2016
ebyoma:
I won't.... He shoulda cut his coat according to his cloth.
Ofcos not ! N she shows up with an empty purse, after x guy had fed her tommy, he wud take her home.... Or she wud hv to beg for tp ....

Oh my world ! Not an iota of shame
RomanceRe: Question For The Ladies!! What Will You Do In This Situation? [photo] by HARDDON: 2:09am On May 07, 2016
KingCheezyPuff:
[color=#A74AC7]Lol grin
°I would ask you out Harddon an pay gladly!...... tongue[/color]
No can't do! I jump am pass...... For U r like them network providers; Give freebies with the right hand n collect it back a triple times over with d left hand! angry


Wudnt wano be raped tru d night coz u bought me a tiny cupa coffee. ....
RomanceRe: Question For The Ladies!! What Will You Do In This Situation? [photo] by HARDDON: 1:35am On May 07, 2016
KingCheezyPuff:
[color=#A74AC7]°•If he asked me ta pay,I would
.....an never fool with him again angry
[b]He's wooing me an I have ta pay for it :-
\[/color][/b]
So u were fooling with him b4? shocked

@ bolded, Who said he was wooing u? He took u along to share his space,spot n sprite n uve concluded in ur tiny mind he is wooing? Women ! Arrrh! embarassed

I have done that b4 to a Gurl though in a very subtle way, she was paying n laughing! N was totally blown a guy cud cud hv d gut to make her pay for asking him out! tongue cool

That is one of my main test , coz some ladies can be so stingy, n ain't got no time to scrub around stingy souls wink
RomanceRe: deleted by HARDDON: 1:25am On May 07, 2016
Op is a learner!

For in d land of za blind, the one eyed man is king!
RomanceRe: After 3yrs Of Friendship She Dump Me Claiming Am Nt Her Level Again by HARDDON: 1:21am On May 07, 2016
She was never yours!

And she has been in total control of the r/ship! Cos u let her! She wasn't ever gono marry u!

From what I noticed, u really wanted to marry this Gurl. U shld have engaged her n done intro/bride price immediately she got admission b4 u started been a maga!
From ur write up, its glaring u dont hv a degree..... Bliv me , no degree holder Gurl wud wano marry s1 who isn't
.

U got burnt in this gee, take a deep breath n let it go.... She wud most def get her reward somehow.

U got to invest in ur self now..... Part time edu perhaps?

U r also welcome to this alpha male thread

https://www.nairaland.com/2893475/dating-drills-guys-only

Come learn about d world of women n how to hook up that Gurl of ur dream n keep her Wanting more of u
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 1:00am On May 07, 2016
HARDDON:
She's a good girl, just not that serious as per religion.

As per where we met, we served in the same ppa actually shared workspace/table,

She's been to my place before but only because we were supposed to go somewhere together and I kept her at at the lobby/visitors' place downstairs.
I have been to her place a number of times
I'm about helping her locate another accommodation nearby and I don't think I'd be a persona non-grata there.
I most times talk about what's going on with her, (almost always about her exams, her plans which she doesn't like) I think I give off vibes of a weak, bookish thus boring personality.
From ur post, itz stark glaring u r really super boring n inside she wud have been screaming u just practice all u hv read on that Drill thread on her!

I think she is seeing u as just a very nice friend ( brother) right now because u seemingly doing d right GENTLE BROTHERLY NEEDY NICE THINGS; take her to dah eatery( very nice a33) leave her in d lobby( wen u should hv told her to promise u she wudnt rape u in ur room b4 taking her up! U r very lucky a guy like me wasn't around wen u left her there; next time, u wud hv been surprised to see her in my room visiting !) .

Hey, this is where we call u to order: 1st , u have to look for a reason u CANT help her relocate! u can arrange a cab for her n dash off!
NEVER DO THAT NICE JOB ! ARRRB!
U lift up ur hands because u wanted help n here we r trying to help! So follow d instructions!

Stop spending too much time with her, be it phone or physically. If u must , make sure u pick some of those lines n burst her balls, make witty n funny comments about her hair, shoe, Makeup , dress , height , size n anything u can think off now,

Statements like: wow , ur hair is beautiful but tomorrow, u wud take me to d place, we r going to collect d money u paid n interest on it! Brabahaha

Take ur phone n pretend to snap her n say: U r so tall, I can see ur legs on ur passport


Wow , so high I heel, wud u be 5inch tall without them?

What a make up! Beautiful but the sun hasn't even started shining n they r washing off already?

Did u check d mirrow b4 coming out today?
She wud ask why , u say...... I've seen better u than this !

U guys about taking selfie, u say, my God u dark, u become d background on d pix ( she may be fair)

These lines creates attraction n before long, she wud be head over heels for u!


Next thing to do; is take her swimming if d state u r got sun; water has a bonding aura! N it bridges barriers.

Or u can take hef to a joint where u guys can dance n have fun! Dancing together bonds too.

Stop been too crz n brotherly n njoy her company as much as she njoys urs!

What ever u do, never spend because u wano impress any lady! They know when u r trying too much! Either drives them away or u become a maga

After like two-three fun outing, tell her u made her dinner! Hold her hand n lead her home. ( God help u if that was a lie!) Lol

Learn to relax most times .
Soon we treat getting physical
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 12:54am On May 07, 2016
HARDDON:
Sorry buh i got more Qs cos of ur perculier situation :

How is she wen arround u? Does she enjoy ur company?

What do u guys discuss about when u r together most times? Have u been spending time together physically or on calls or chats? Has she been to ur place b4 alone?
Where did u meet her?

Is she born again too?
She's a good girl, just not that serious as per religion.

As per where we met, we served in the same ppa actually shared workspace/table,

She's been to my place before but only because we were supposed to go somewhere together and I kept her at at the lobby/visitors' place downstairs.
I have been to her place a number of times
I'm about helping her locate another accommodation nearby and I don't think I'd be a persona non-grata there.
I most times talk about what's going on with her, (almost always about her exams, her plans which she doesn't like) I think I give off vibes of a weak, bookish thus boring personality.
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 12:53am On May 07, 2016
HARDDON:
I haven't really done any of the listed activities with her yet, save on few occasions when we went to eat together.
I don't know but I seem to give off this borne-again vibes (I actually am but certainly not close-minded)

She has an exam to write soon but I believe she'd still agree to a time-out.

Thanks
Sorry buh i got more Qs cos of ur perculier situation :

How is she wen arround u? Does she enjoy ur company?

What do u guys discuss about when u r together most times? Have u been spending time together physically or on calls or chats? Has she been to ur place b4 alone?
Where did u meet her?

Is she born again too?
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 12:52am On May 07, 2016
HARDDON:
Due to Mail Demands, From now on, we would be posting and answering questions that where sent to me tru emails so that we all can benefit from them also. here go:

QUESTION FROM EMAIL

Thing is, I'm this closeted, shy kinda person yet not buoyant financially.
I'm currently friends with this girl who I now have feelings for.

I have in the guise of this done almost all that clingy n first-loving people do in the guise of being nice; I have idolised, over-complemented, smothered n allowed her have her ways before now.

Finally, I'll be relocating to another state in some days and I still haven't told her anything, though I guess she's sensed it already.

I've been afraid she might rebuff my advance knowing I haven't really built much attraction with her yet.

Can this situation be helped, should I still go ahead declaring my mind to her? Will you advise I give her more time n see about doing that from wherever I move to?



My Advise:

whatever you do, dont you ever tell her anything cos she already knows.

what you should do now is strive to create attraction not to sink down deep into the friend zone

have u ever kissed , touched , done any intimate thing with her b4?

have you guys ever gone dancing b4, club /party? ever drank any form of liquor with her? ever gone to the pool? if u were to call her now and tell her that u are going somewhere tomorow and want her to come along, wud she gladly come? kindly answer these questions so we know how to rightly advise u.
I haven't really done any of the listed activities with her yet, save on few occasions when we went to eat together.
I don't know but I seem to give off this borne-again vibes (I actually am but certainly not close-minded)

She has an exam to write soon but I believe she'd still agree to a time-out.

Thanks
PoliticsRe: Niger-Delta Avengers Blow Up Oil Pipelines To Warri,Kaduna Refineries by HARDDON: 4:55pm On May 06, 2016
ITkester:
It's in our (SE/SS) best interest. You can't take what belong to the 5%ers and give to the 95%ers, that is called Injustice and foul play. Buhari should enjoy his govt with the money gotten from cow milk...

Nonsense. NDA, I dey your side!
the Northern President ignored all warnings when he blatantly went after Tompolo and until now, Tpolo hasnt been seen nor arrested...... and now, another head ache!


Elders usually say,

a man with an elephant load on his head, has no time digging crickets.

how do u fight BH, Fulani Headsmen, the economy and now, the ND Avengers?! all at one blow?
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 3:52pm On May 06, 2016
NevetsIbot:
tell him brother.. Andropod.. i hope you see the big picture now ehn?
cheesy . didnt know some1 wud intentionally want to be a slave angry
PoliticsRe: President Buhari Signs 2016 Budget by HARDDON: 3:51pm On May 06, 2016
Apelex:
He did it in the presence of the Vice President, Professor Yemi Osinbajo, and the chairmen of the National Assembly appropriation committees who had arrived the Presidency for the[b] signing ceremony.[/b]

Today’s event comes after the National Assembly submitted a clean copy of the budget to the President.

The President had withheld assent after some alterations were noticed in the document.

The government announced yesterday it had mapped out 34 strategic priority programmes and projects it intended to achieve with the 2016 budget.

These include a capital spend minimum of 30% annually, an appropriate and predictable exchange regime by the end of 2016, increased low interest lending rate of 9%, self-sufficiency in tomato paste in 2016 and rice production by 2018.

It also plans to increase local production of maize, soya beans, poultry and livestock and to stop import.
embarassed embarassed embarassed cry @ bolded
RomanceRe: Is It Possible? by HARDDON: 2:19pm On May 06, 2016
Why Buy the Cream if you're only gono sniff the flavour?
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 2:15pm On May 06, 2016
NLjona:
I used the text ...it worked ...I was amazed

but bro ...dis grl is my ex o.. I don't wanna gt in to any relationship back with her... jx want us to be cool .. any advice on that will be. much appreciated.. thanks
since she is ur ex, she is a great practice ground for all you are learning here. and u wud learn more about women from her too if u play the right cards.

keep the tension on by bursting her balls,

"first time i was too cheap, this time around, u got to sweat for this. "


go tru the witty answers and device new on dah spot lines to poke her with.
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 2:09pm On May 06, 2016
A man can afford to spill billions of sperm cells in one day, a woman only nurture one egg a whole month!
she cant but want the very best for that one egg!

#yeaDeep#ahknow
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 2:05pm On May 06, 2016
NevetsIbot:
andropod. Bring your nice guy azz dowwn here now and learn from another teacher. Bighead... Take a jotter and pen and write.
.
.
#say no to nice guys
cheesy cheesy

the worse sickness is to be sick and not know u are sick andropod( what a moniker) reminds me of my military days( in movie dreams that is)

all our lives, momma tot us to be nice to ladies , u cant blame a nice a33 guy Nevs, just that we grew up and noticed it is a silent ploy to keep us(men) in chains and bonds all our lives, so that we always fall in line and do their bidding.

they had a meeting behind us and agreed that all their sons wud be tot to be nice, this way, they can maintain Obtain and maintain control over us , Control , our God given right!


why do u think all mother inlaws are witches to a man's wify? she is trying to alienate the son from his mum so that he can stop been NICE to the mum( buying her gifts, giving mum attention and been at her beck and call) and focus all his attention on HER forgetting that she too wud become a mother inlaw someday! get the jeck now?

been nice aint right. been nice strips u of all ur balls, guts and colours as a man, been nice make ladies friend zone u. why they do that is because they dont want their kids turning weaklings and not standing up for them selves just like their dads.
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 1:34pm On May 06, 2016
@ viickerz:

dont u ever apologize for not taking her calls nor responding to her messages... Ignore that.
if she ask, why u have been ignoring her, make a surprise face and say " i have been replying u using sign language, just that u werent listening rightly all along, cheesy cheesy , got to go now, talk soon"
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op):
HARDDON:
@ bolded,
what do u mean by that? r you her spoke person now? u need to get the nice guy outa ya system cos that is what got u into this mess in the first place! angry angry

you dont seem to get the essence of this whole setting...

I told you to totally shut her out so we can test if she is into u or not, now that it has been confirmed she is, unless ofcos she gains financially from u( if she is, u should stop giving her any),
your next move now is to practice the witty and funny lines on her in a send less manner.

take control of all ur conversations, dont spend too much time with her on phone, no more boring questions: how are you , have u eaten...quit them. always be the first to break the conversation whether on phone or physically: i know u gono miss me much , but i got to go now, without waiting for her objection or otherwise, bounce out!
no matter what u do, dont give a lady too much attention( unless ofcos it's super tangling time cheesy ehmm for the record, i have no idea what that means), it sends the message that u are clingy and needy across and this is one of them reason guys get friend zoned! meet other gurls while at it, so u wudnt have the time to burn out with one and make u turn to a wuss-bag!
RomanceRe: Dating Drills! Guys Only! by HARDDON(op): 12:48pm On May 06, 2016
viickerz:
@harddon.. I dont knw if you remember me, i did what you told me with the girl, i totally ignored her for abt a week now, i seldom reply her chats, calls e.t.c...
I dont think she can take it anymore..

Should i giv her the attention now, or should i continue the ignore..
@ bolded,
what do u mean by that? r you her spoke person now? u need to get the nice guy outa ya system cos that is what got u into this mess in the first place! angry angry

you dont seem to get the essence of this whole setting...

I told you to totally shut her out so we can test if she is into u or not, now that it has been confirmed she is, unless ofcos she gains financially from u( if she is, u should stop giving her any),
your next move now is to practice the witty and funny lines on her in a send less manner.

take control of all ur conversations, dont spend too much time with her on phone, no more boring questions: how are you , have u eaten...quit them. always be the first to break the conversation whether on phone or physically: i know u gono miss me much , but i got to go now, without waiting for her objection or otherwise, bounce out!

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