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ify2love2:
@hnd-holder.

Are you serious? What was the girl's qualification? Ma me this is bad news.

I hope you are not heart broken sha?

It was so seriuos that I was hospitalised not for the heart that was broken, but the HND that gave money and hope to me. The girl had OND then later Bsc from ABU. Infact I settled with a school cert. holder later but the wound in still there.

Monthly I pay my tithe to my stomach then thank GOD who provided the money after  visits to Fun places

God love cheerful giver like me.

Not all that call me father but those that do the will of GOD

As Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit),
the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible.

We explain it.
Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book. As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible. http://www.cathtruth.com/catholicbible/

The Word "Bible"
The word "Bible" means "the book." In both the Latin and Greek languages the term "Biblia" is a plural noun and signifies "The Books." Originally, the Bible was not one book but a collection of books - in fact, a whole library. It was only in about the fourth century that the seventy two books of the Bible were combined to form the "volume." Eventually, the plural "Biblia" became a singular noun, and in modern languages signifies "the book." The passing of the word "Biblia" from the plural into the singular was no doubt occasioned by an understanding of the real character of the Bible: While the human authors were many, the Divine Author is but one. The Bible is called "The Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:16) and "Holy Scriptures" (Romans 1:2).

The Word "Testament"
The titles "Old" and "New Testament" were used by St. Paul (2 Corinthians, 2:14). The term "testament," as applied to the two parts of the Bible, means: a covenant, agreement, pact. In the language of the Bible it denotes the agreement or pact between God and man: Man agreed to do certain things and God, in return, promised certain blessings. The Old Testament contains a record of the pact between God and Abraham and between God and Moses. The New Testament is an account of the pact between God and His creatures. Both the old and the new covenants were sealed by blood: The pact between God and Abraham was sealed by the circumcision (Genesis 17); the pact between God and the Jewish people, by the sprinkling of the people with the blood of animal victims (Exodus 24:7, ; the pact between God and men, by Christ's own blood (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25). Besides denoting the Jewish and Christian religions, the terms "Old" and "New" Testaments also designate the sacred books of each.

Original Language Of The Bible
Two books of the Old Testament - Wisdom and II Machabees - were written in Greek. The rest of the Old Testament was written in the Hebrew language. The New Testament was written in Greek, with the exception of St. Matthew's Gospel which - according to the unanimous testimony of Christian antiquity - was written in Hebrew or Aramaic.
The books of the Bible were very likely written in the cursive style of writing. The cursive (or "running hand" style joins the letters of a word together as when we write today. In addition, the ancients had two other styles of writing: the lapidary (from the Latin word, lapis, meaning stone) and the uncial (from the Latin word uncia, meaning inch). The lapidary style was followed in inscriptions on stone monuments and used only capital letters. The uncial style was used in fine editions of books and in elaborate Bibles and employed large disconnected letters resembling the capitals. In "uncial" writing there were no spaces between the words or sentences and punctuation marks were used rarely. The word "uncial" comes from St. Jerome's description of some Bibles of his time as being written in "letters an inch high."

The bible says that the road is narrow and straight and few people find it,be determined to be one of the few. It is the Bible that says not GOD says, How little the you know about the bible and Catholic?

From Daily Graphic GHANA

This how they settle their own
Polytechnic Education
(11/22/2005)


The country’s polytechnics have been given approval by the government to run Bachelor of Technology programmes to enable holders of the Higher National Diploma to undertake higher academic pursuits more readily.

It has not been easy upgrading facilities at the polytechnics to get to the level where they will have the competence to award degrees,in addition to the diploma certificates.

The focus of polytechnic and university education is not the same and cannot be the same or similar.

Whereas the content of programmes at the polytechnic level has a preponderance of practical training,the university curriculum is informed more by theory.

Unfortunately,however,in our attempt to re-engineer polytechnic education and make it diffused regionally,we fell into the temptation of comparing and equating the HND to bachelor degrees,to the extent that when some HND holders secured jobs and they were placed lower than their colleagues with first degrees,it resulted in nationwide strikes by polytechnic students.

Indeed,the Ghana National Union of Polytechnic Students resolved that it would stop at nothing until HND holders were placed and paid the same level of remuneration as their first degree counterparts from the universities.

Matters were not helped by the fact that the tendency in this country is that we see the first degree of the university as superior to any certificate from the polytechnic,when the rest of the world fully acknowledges the worth of the polytechnic student when it comes to skill training and performance.

But whatever the problems and difficulties,approval has been given to the polytechnics to offer first degree programmes,with the possibility of offering higher degrees in due course,depending on the development of faculty.

However,if the internal structures of the polytechnics are not improved upon,their students could still be disadvantaged.

One of the major frustrations confronting polytechnic students is the undue delay in the release of their examination results.

Presently,results of the final examinations of the universities are released before the students undergo national service.

Thus students who passed out of the universities in the last academic year have got to know their results and those who needed to resit in some subjects have done so.

On the other hand,the polytechnic students who have completed their national service are yet to know whether they were successful in their examinations or otherwise.

Therefore,if university and polytechnic students who completed their courses in the 2003/2004 academic year were to go into the job market,there is no way that polytechnic students whose results are not known could compete favourably with their university colleagues whose results have been published.

It is our hope that the polytechnics would look at ways to improve upon their efficiency in the management of examinations and release of results,such that the “underprivileged”polytechnic student would not be further disadvantaged in competing on the job market on the basis of time.

Halleluyah

winteric:
the bottomline is:
1, tithing was part of the old law,
2, tithe is not regarded as a gift but as a levy imposed on jews,
3, the new testament church ignored it since it had no bases to be retained as the fundamentals for its observance were no longer in place in the new dispensation; the church is not a subsidiary of the one temple at Jerusalem, where God chose for the payment of tithes along with other obligations, there were no levites to receive the tithes in the new church situation, etc
I' m sure Tayod now agrees with these obvious truths.

This is like Court case. This is the final VERDICT QED.

This case! we must settle it this year. The white paper on HND Vs Bsc will out soon. I shall ask Nairaland to publish it. Regards

Proitestants and tithes


The Bible says, ?

This what Ayozie Ogechukwu told us

It is now an offence to be a polytechnic graduate in Nigeria, if in doubt ask the army of unemployed polytechnic graduates in the labour market. Nothing is as dehumanising and degrading as being asked to leave an interview venue just because one spent five or more years to acquire a diploma from a polytechnic.
Our Nobel Laureate, Prof. Wole Soyinka, a couple of years ago advocated a closure of our universities for a period of one year so that a proper stock-taking would be done and appropriate strategies implemented to bring back the lost glory of our ivory towers.
I cannot agree less with our dear professor, only that in my own opinion, I am of the view that all the polytechnics should be permanently closed and converted to secondary schools, and where possible upgraded to satelite campuses of our universities. The reason being that they have lost their substance and glory due to neglect and poor funding.
I am a graduate of one of the best polytechnics in Nigeria, the Federal Polytechnic l1aro and I am proud to be one. But recent activities of private and public employers have compelled me to ask the government to close those polytechnics if we do not need them, and where their products are treated as inferior materials even where they are better without giving them the opportunity to prove their mettle.
The original concept of the polytechnic was to produce middle level manpower. But for over 40 years now, there has been no dynamic effort made to re-evaluate this policy. With pride one can mention some first generation polytechnics that have better facilities and academic staff than most universities in some courses, especially in engineering, management and accounting courses. With pride again one is compelled to mention Yaba College of Technology, Institute of Management and Technology, Enugu, Kaduna Polytechnic and Auchi Polytechnic. The performance of graduates of these institutes in both academic and professional examinations have been very remarkable.
The Minister of Education, Prof. Fabian Osuji will etch his name in gold if he attends to the academic needs of polytechnics in the same way he considers the needs of the universities. Is there no way Nigerians can have a polytechnic of equal standard to the Cranfield Institute of Technology, (now Cranfield University) in UK and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the USA? The polytechnic graduates are noted for their very excellent performances in both local and foreign professional examinations like the lCAN, ClBN, NlMN, ClM (Lond) etc.
Education prepares one's mind and characters and enables a person to tackle the challenges of life. This is where I feel that the federal and state governments need to properly allocate funds to the polytechnics, to enable them attract the same calibre of academic and research staff as the universities. Alternatively, where this cannot be done, I am of the opinion that polytechnics be closed and converted to secondary schools. Enough is enough of this educational hypocrisy and stagnancy. Polytechnics need to be financially and academically empowered to move forward. It is not out of place if they are allowed to award degrees and postgraduate degrees and attract the same calibre of staff as the universities. The academic and social stigma of being a polytechnic graduate needs to be removed once and for all. Nigeria needs to move forward.
Research grants should be extended to the polytechnics. This is a task for the government. If the polytechnics are to properly fulfill their functions, the conditions of service and the nature of funding should be the same as those of the universities so that they can attract and retain the services of higher calibre academic and research staff. The earlier the federal and state governments address the problems of the polytechnics the better it will be for Nigeria and its quest for technological development and for our labour and educational system.
If nothing is urgently done, the polytechnic system will definitely collapse, and it will be a very bad investment for Nigeria. Once more, if we cannot make the polytechnics a pride of academic place, it will be better to close them all and have them converted to secondary schools and satellite campuses of the universities.

Ogechukwu, is a doctoral research student of the Delta State University Abraka.

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Re: Hnd Is Better Than Bsc
« #32 on: April 18, 2006, 05:30 PM »

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Diploma is diploma.I didnt say postgraduate degree did i??I kept it at degree and diploma level.At the end of the day,a degree is better than a diploma at any level you want to go.


niterider, Please note that University of London still award Diploma as a matter of prestige in place of bachelors. Jokes apart you need to respec Diploma.

Until they Know that, Nigeria will not be Technologically Independent.

Where are Nigerian made goods? China products, products of technical schools are finishing us.

A deputy Governor once said , he knew all what he is using today at the polytechnic that the university was just a rubber stamp.

post ND = HND wwith ability.

Nigerian needs more of HND than Bsc.

Remeber catholics are traditional

Tradition

This doctrine that many who have died are still in a place of purification and that prayers avail to help the dead is part of the very earliest Christian tradition. Tertullian "De corona militis" mentions prayers for the dead as an Apostolic ordinance, and in "De Monogamia" (cap. x, P. L., II, col. 912) he advises a widow "to pray for the soul of her husband, begging repose for him and participation in the first resurrection"; he commands her also "to make oblations for him on the anniversary of his demise," and charges her with infidelity if she neglect to succour his soul. This settled custom of the Church is clear from St. Cyprian, who (P. L. IV, col. 399) forbade the customary prayers for one who had violated the ecclesiastical law. "Our predecessors prudently advised that no brother, departing this life, should nominate any churchman as his executor; and should he do it, that no oblation should be made for him, nor sacrifice offered for his repose." Long before Cyprian, Clement of Alexandria had puzzled over the question of the state or condition of the man who, reconciled to God on his death-bed, had no time for the fulfilment of penance due his transgression. His answer is: "the believer through discipline divests himself of his passions and passes to the mansion which is better than the former one, passes to the greatest torment, taking with him the characteristic of repentance for the faults he may have committed after baptism. He is tortured then still more, not yet attaining what he sees others have acquired. The greatest torments are assigned to the believer, for God's righteousness is good, and His goodness righteous, and though these punishments cease in the course of the expiation and purification of each one, "yet" etc. (P. G. IX, col. 332).

In Origen the doctrine of purgatory is very clear. If a man depart this life with lighter faults, he is condemned to fire which burns away the lighter materials, and prepares the soul for the kingdom of God, where nothing defiled may enter. "For if on the foundation of Christ you have built not only gold and silver and precious stones (1 Corinthians 3); but also wood and hay and stubble, what do you expect when the soul shall be separated from the body? Would you enter into heaven with your wood and hay and stubble and thus defile the kingdom of God; or on account of these hindrances would you remain without and receive no reward for your gold and silver and precious stones? Neither is this just. It remains then that you be committed to the fire which will burn the light materials; for our God to those who can comprehend heavenly things is called a cleansing fire. But this fire consumes not the creature, but what the creature has himself built, wood, and hay and stubble. It is manifest that the fire destroys the wood of our transgressions and then returns to us the reward of our great works." (P. G., XIII, col. 445, 448).

The Apostolic practice of praying for the dead which passed into the liturgy of the Church, is as clear in the fourth century as it is in the twentieth. St. Cyril of Jerusalem (Catechet. Mystog., V, 9, P.G., XXXIII, col. 1116) describing the liturgy, writes: "Then we pray for the Holy Fathers and Bishops that are dead; and in short for all those who have departed this life in our communion; believing that the souls of those for whom prayers are offered receive very great relief, while this holy and tremendous victim lies upon the altar." St. Gregory of Nyssa (P. G., XLVI, col. 524, 525) states that man's weaknesses are purged in this life by prayer and wisdom, or are expiated in the next by a cleansing fire. "When he has quitted his body and the difference between virtue and vice is known he cannot approach God till the purging fire shall have cleansed the stains with which his soul was infested. That same fire in others will cancel the corruption of matter, and the propensity to evil." About the same time the Apostolic Constitution gives us the formularies used in succouring the dead. "Let us pray for our brethren who sleep in Christ, that God who in his love for men has received the soul of the depart one, may forgive him every fault, and in mercy and clemency receive him into the bosom of Abraham, with those who in this life have pleased God" (P. G. I, col. 1144). Nor can we pass over the use of the diptychs where the names of the dead were inscribed; and this remembrance by name in the Sacred Mysteries--(a practice that was from the Apostles) was considered by Chrysostom as the best way of relieving the dead (In I Ad Cor., Hom. xli, n. 4, G., LXI, col. 361, 362).

Old Testament

The tradition of the Jews is put forth with precision and clearness in II Maccabees. Judas, the commander of the forces of Israel,


making a gathering . . . sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead). And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. (2 Maccabees 12:43-46)
At the time of the Maccabees the leaders of the people of God had no hesitation in asserting the efficacy of prayers offered for the dead, in order that those who had departed this life might find pardon for their sins and the hope of eternal resurrection.

[b] PROOFS[/b]

The Catholic doctrine of purgatory supposes the fact that some die with smaller faults for which there was no true repentance, and also the fact that the temporal penalty due to sin is it times not wholly paid in this life.

The proofs for the Catholic position, both in Scripture and in Tradition, are bound up also with the practice of praying for the dead.

Intercession has been made for the soul of the dear one departed and God has heard the prayer, and the soul has passed into a place of light and refreshment.

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Yes HND is higher than Bsc because you can not have HND untill you graduate it is a PostND

because its in the bible and the Bible say, Some people almost turn BIBLE to their GOD.

Mary is the Mother of GOD the son.
The Bible is just the collection of books

HND is the best for me I do not know about you.

OND was the middle level not HND or PGD obtained from the polytechnic.

It is Long throat that is diturbing NIGERIAN. Where ever you find your self thank your creator. I thank God with my HND I was able to do better than those who had BSc.
You are what you think you are. To me HND is not embrarrassment.

If you need to know. We have catholic and others who are protesting as protestant. catholic own the scripture they therefore do not live in the past, Scriptures are records of the past. The catholics careless about this HISTORY which some people now turn to their GOD.

In the last super, Jesus offer his flesh in form of bread and his blood in form of wine. As a gift He then says do this in his memory.

Chapter 7 of letters of Paul to Hebrews explains the ineffectiveness of tithing.
The laws governing the priesthood (including tithing) were "changed" and "abolished" (7:5, 12, 18).



HEBREWS CHAPTER 7


5     And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:[color=#990000][/color]

11     ¶ If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12     For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


18     For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

[b]Abuses soon crept in. The right to receive tithes was granted to princes and nobles, even hereditarily, by ecclesiastics in return for protection or eminent services, and this species of impropriation became so intolerable that the Third Council of Lateran (1179) decreed that no alienation of tithes to laymen was permissible without the consent of the pope. As a consequence, other means have had to be adopted to support the clergy and maintain the ecclesiastical institutions ,and to substitute other equivalent payments in lieu of tithes. Soglia (Institut, Canon, II, 12) says "The law of tithes can never be abrogated by prescription or custom , if the ministers of the Church have no suitable and sufficient provision from other sources; because then the natural and divine law , which can neither be abrogated not antiquate, commands that the tithe be paid." In some parts of Canada , the tithe is still recognized by civil law , and the Fourth Council of Quebec (1868) declared that its payment is binding in conscience of the faithful .[/b]

In the Christian Church ,as those who serve the altar should live by the altar (1 Corinthians 9:13 provision of some kind had necessarily to be made for the sacred ministers.
In the beginning this was supplied by the spontaneous offerings of the faithful. In the course of time, however, as the Church expanded and various institutions arose, it became necessary to make laws which would insure the proper and permanent support of the clergy . The payment of tithes was adopted from the Old Law ,
The earliest positive legislation on the subject seems to be contained in the letter of the bishops assembled at Tours in 567 and the canons of the Council of Maçon in 585. In course of time, we find the payment of tithes made obligatory The Church looked on this payment as "of divine law , since tithes were instituted not by man but by the Lord Himself" (C. 14, X de decim. III, 30). As regards the civil power, the Christian Roman emperors granted the right to churches of retaining a portion of the produce of certain lands, but the earliest instance of the enforcement of the payment of ecclesiastical tithes by civil law is to be found in the capitularies of Charlemagne , at the end of the eighth century. English law very early recognized the tithe. Tithes are of three kinds: predial, or that derived from the annual crops; mixed, or what arises from things nourished by the land, as cattle, milk, cheese, wool; and personal or the result of industry or occupation. Predial tithes were generally called great tithes, and mixed and personal tithes, small tithes. Natural substances having no annual increase are not tithable, nor are wild animals.
There are many exempted from the paying of tithes: spiritual corporations, the owners of uncultivated lands, those who have acquired lawful prescription , or have obtained a legal renunciation, or received a privilege from the pope .
At first, the tithe was payable to the bishop , but later the right passed by common law to parish priests .

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14741b.htm