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@ all fantasy managers,

Dont put any Stoke City player in your team this weekend cos they're gonna cop a mighty hiding from the Blues.

bawomolo:
the norwegian government has come out with a statement that congo no fit kill oyibo man.

hehehehe. . . . its divine law.

@ OP,

I find the title of your thread very insulting and offensive. Pls change it.

Evidence coming to light shows that the mansion does not belong to Sylva but is a state project. Even if it did belong to Sylva, there is no need using such a nauseating excuse against Resource control. Other threads posted just today have shown the dirty deeds of other state governors like Gbenga Daniel, Benue Governor etc. Perhaps we should also name those threads "After now, these parasites would want to control our resources".

naijaking1:
Your disdain for the present constitution and support for Sanusi are mutually self contradictory. You're terribly confused.
Without the constitution, as flawed as its, do you think Hausa/Fulani people would have continued their political subjugation of this country? I know for sure that without this type of constitution Sanusi could never have seen the light of day with his humble Bsc in economics, and masters in islamic studies.

Do you know how many people from Delta, Anambra, Rivers who have better qualifications, and yet did not have opportunities like him? Before you break your back hunching over to kiss his ass, you've got to ask yourself, if Sanusi had come from any of these southern states, would he even be mentioned as a director in UBA, FBN, not to talk of CBN.

He, and his folks from Kano/Kaduna/Katsina are direct beneficiaries of this screwed-up constitution which you too want to change.

The rubbish you have written up here is not worth responding to.

Since when does any constitution determine that public post holders should be PHD-holders?

A simpleton like Hank Paulson can rise to be Treasury Sec. in Yankee with a simple Bsc in English, and MBA and you are here yarning opata.

You would soon be telling me that Yankee consitution is faulty for allowing someone like Paulson to rise to that position.

Dr Peter Odili is the biggest psychophant to ever govern my state. I guess he is more qualified than Sanusi under your "phantom" constitution which determines that the best man for the job always gets it.

As far as I am concerned, Sanusi has stepped in, and sacked mothaphockas who were not doing their jobs properly with no regard for their status. Thats all I wanna see.

@ Naijaking,

Sanusi is a sociologist and theologist as well and has written articles in that capacity. Beaf and Mikeansy have attacked his views on that, and thats what we are discussing here.

Beaf:
So we are now comparing Henry Okah and Sanusi. Do you think that is right? Mind you, one has been in jail.
The Niger Delta issue is one of life and death, something more profound than Sanusi's belief in sharia.

Stop speaking in double-tones. Did you support the jailing of Okah? No! Then you have disrespected the constitution.

Beaf:
Lets leave the ND and keep to Sanusi affairs.

We cannot leave the Niger Delta and keep to Sanusi affairs.

When Beaf comes on Nairaland to advocate for Henry Okah, is he not advocating for someone that the constitution defines as a criminal?

Phock speaking in niceties.

The constitution is illegal in so far as it wasnt agreed on by the people, through lawmakers elected in a free and fair manner.

The constitution can never be legal until we have a free and fair election in Nigeria.

Funny enough, for those pinning their opposition to Sanusi on Sharia:



http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-476/_nr-341/i.html



"Shariacracy" in Nigeria

A goat thief is punished more severely than a president who misappropriates government funds. The introduction of the Sharia has brought no improvements, Nigerian sociologist and economist Lamido Sanusi insists.

"Nigeria is like a cake: the thieves sit all around it, and the one with the biggest knife gets the biggest piece. The biggest knife is the threat of national unity," Lamido Sanusi, Nigerian sociologist, religion scholar says about his homeland, an important oil-exporting country.

The West African state has always had difficulty holding together a population of 120 million people comprising more than 250 ethnic groups, most of which have their own languages. Rivalries between the Suni Muslim Haussa-Fulla (also known as Haussa-Fulbe and Haussa-Fullani) in the north and the Christian or animist Yoruba who dominate the economically powerful southwest regularly lead to harrowing outbreaks of violence.

After the election victory of President Olusegun Obasanjo in 1999, Nigeria returned to democracy after years of military dictatorship. That same year the governors of the northern provinces adapted their legal systems to conform to the Sharia. As in the USA, each state has its own legal system. Soon Islamic law was in force in 12 of Nigeria’s 26 provinces.

Sharia - Symbol of Muslim identity

For Sanusi, the timing was no accident: "Due to the democratization and the election of a non-Muslim head of state, the military circles, who mostly come from the north, lost their political influence" – and needed a new "knife".

"The Sharia is a powerful symbol of Muslim identity. Since the late 90s regional identity has been increasingly emphasized in all Nigeria’s regions. The reason for this is the people’s profound feeling of insecurity caused by poverty, unemployment, escalating crime, corruption, etc."

According to the anti-corruption organization "Transparency International", Nigeria is one of the most corrupt states on earth. Around 200 billion dollars, almost seven times Nigeria's foreign debt, are estimated to have been misappropriated.

The majority of Nigerians are skeptical about the introduction of the Sharia – including the Muslim clergy. Christian fundamentalists hope that the Sharia will prove an effective weapon against alcoholism and prostitution.

Heated arguments on both sides

Opponents and supporters of Islamic law are engaged in heated debates about its function, interpretation and status in multicultural, multireligious Nigeria. Accusations of discrimination are frequent. The issue has long since spread beyond religious circles.

"More and more people are getting drawn into the debate. In a certain respect one can speak of a democratization of the Sharia," Sanusi believes.

Is the former British colony developing into a "Shariacracy"? This term was coined by cultural scholar Ali Mazrui to denote a liberal democratic system in which justice is administered according to the Sharia.

However, it is unclear what relationship exists between state justice and the Sharia in a multireligious state that is part of the international community. The Nigerian constitution acknowledges common law, Sharia, and the national legislation modeled on British law.

However, Nigeria has also signed international agreements in support of human rights. These agreements prohibit such actions as amputating the hands of thieves.

Lack of training for Muslim lawyers

The case of Safiya Hussainis, whom a trail court condemned to death by stoning for adultery, provoked international protests. However, even according to Sharia law, the verdict was a scandal, indicating that Nigerian lawyers are often very poorly trained.

On appeal, Hussaini was acquitted due to grave procedural errors. "In another case, a thief who had been condemned to lose his hand insisted on the punishment against the advice of his lawyers," Sanusi reports.

But shouldn't the state be required to protect a person from himself in a case like that? And can it authorize executioners to amputate its citizens' limbs, or even kill them?

Another contentious issue is the fact that Islamic law is not standardized. "According to the Malikites, an Islamic legal school, common law applies as long as it does not contradict the Koran," Sanusi says. "However, the governors of Nigeria's Muslim provinces come from different regions, which means that they have different approaches to the Sharia."

As he points out, different ideological backgrounds also play a role. Those behind the Islamization of Nigeria include people associated with the Muslim Brothers, while others are influenced by Iran's Islamic revolution. And still different groups try to reconcile western-style liberal democracy with Islam.

Justice, Sharia-style?

Ultimately, future developments in Nigeria will depend largely on whether the introduction of the Sharia will bring what people expect it to – more justice.

"Islam claims to be a religion of justice," explains Sanusi. "Now, according to the Sharia, someone who breaks into someone else's house and steals a goat tethered there is a thief – his hand is amputated.

"However, if the goat thief is a domestic servant who had legal access to the house, the deed is considered an abuse of trust, but not a theft, and it is punished less severely.

"Finally, when this is applied to a legally-elected president who misappropriates millions of dollars in government money, legal experts speak of an abuse of trust, but do not consider it a more serious act of theft.

"Thus, someone who steals someone else’s goat is punished more severely than a president who steals millions of dollars from the state. Is that just?" So far, according to Sanusi, "the introduction of the Sharia has brought no improvements."

Lennart Lehmann

Beaf:
^I might not like the constitution, but I don't call it illegal.

What rubbish! The constitution is illegal in so far as the Govt can come and take your land without offering adequate compensation and drilling for oil on it. Go and tell our brothers in the creeks that the constitution is not illegal.

The fact remains, Sanusi has never opposed a change of constitution that would give us fairplay. His right to Sharia is being respected in so much as his people have the political muscle to make it happen regardless of what the constitution says. His hypocisy would be if he resisted devolvement of power to you also.

Beaf:

How can anyone even begin to argue with such shocking a point of view? Are the government and the CBN illegal too?
No wonder you guys keep saying the country is not secular. Shock! Horror!

What are you saying here. . . . commot jare! 

No be we dey shout "resource control", "devolution" etc. Is that provided in our constitution?

If it is Niger-Delta case now, you will join me in saying "Phock this unfair constitution!". . . . if it is Sanusi case now, you would say "Sharia is not provided for in our constitution." You either want to stick to this constitution or you dont.

There seems to be a disconnect here.

mikeansy:
Why can't you be bold enough to say what you make of that view relative to the provisions of our constitution

I thought we were having an honest debate

You are making an erronous statement here. What constitution? The present one? Dont hang your hat on the present constitution cos its a fraud.

As Sanusi has had his religious right respected with regard to Sharia, he can only be accused of hypocrisy if he does not also canvass for others to have their rights respected by the constitution. He is not in favour of a lopsided constitution that favours only his kinsmen, so whilst he is happy that his religious right is being respected, he is still canvassing for the constitution to be amended so that the rights of Ijaws, Igbos, Efiks, Yorubas etc are respected. If you wanna judge his views by the set-up of the present constitution, then you should forfeit your right to clamour for a new one.

I hope this is the last time you would bring up this inane argument. No one respects the present constitution and it should provide no framework to judge anyones beliefs. The amendment of the constitution that you and I seek that would devolve power to regions and allow resource control would also allow him to practice his sharia. Whilst the Hausa-Fulani in general prefer the status-quo, Sanusi is not part of that. Direct you misdirected anger at the Hausa-Fulani lawmakers rather than Sanusi. Your beef is that they implemented true federalism for themselves without granting it to you. Well Sanusi has never been part of their polity that argued that you should be denied the dividends of federalism.

Beaf:
the other see's the World strictly through sharia.

Really? Knowledge of one's culture does not denote ignorance of anothers plight.

I think your fear of his culture speaks more about you, than his knowledge of his culture speaks about him.


Check this extract from Sanusis writings on the state of the federation for example:


The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have conspired to keep the Igbo out of the scheme of things. In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda. Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman's agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before. The Igbos have taken all these quietly because, they reason, they brought it upon themselves. But the nation is sitting on a time-bomb.

After the First World War, the victors treated Germany with the same contempt Nigeria is treating Igbos. Two decades later, there was a Second World War, far costlier than the first. Germany was again defeated, but this time, they won a more honourable peace.

Our present political leaders have no sense of History. There is a new Igbo man, who was not born in 1966 and neither knows nor cares about Nzeogwu and Ojukwu. There are Igbo men on the street who were never Biafrans. They were born Nigerians, are Nigerians, but suffer because of actions of earlier generations. They will soon decide that it is better to fight their own war, and may be find an honourable peace, than to remain in this contemptible state in perpetuity.

The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have exacted their pound of flesh from the Igbos. For one Sardauna, one Tafawa Balewa, one Akintola and one Okotie-Eboh, hundreds of thousands have died and suffered.

Since when do football teams need a technical committee? Is this cricket or rugby?

Just hire the right manager jare and let him get on with the job.

Okocha is just another politician. He has no tactical knowledge. Even in the Super Eagles, we used to give him tactical freedom to do whatever he wants cos he cannot play to instruction. In other words, he has no oversight of the game.

Just another clueless move by Rotimi Amaechi and the Presidents technical committee - politicians thinking they know anything about football. Tufiakwa!

mikeansy:
Ibime

What do you make of Olu Falae's position on Sanusi's activities with our Banking sector

At least he is more of an Authority in Finance than Wole Soyinka or Gani Fawehinmi (may his soul rest in peace).

Olu Falae has never registered in my mind as a stand-out Nigerian. Infact, I should rain curses on him after the failure of his Structural Adjustment Programme. .

Did you make the mistake of saying Olu Falae's criticisms of Sanusi had anything to do with finance? All I read from Olu Falae was "Sanusi is trying to Northernise the banking sector".

hehehehe. . . . the 'old school' residents of Thamesmead such as myself are very peeved that our Nigerian (Yoruba, infact) brothers have besmirched our good reputation. My extended family was one of the first to move into Thamesmead back in the 1970's before the Yorubas turned that place into little Lagos. My aunties flat is there and I used to rent the flat from her circa 2002. Thank God I left that area, otherwise them for carry my name join all this bad news wey dey emanate from Thamesmead. The Yoruba man who rented the flat after me started using the flat to do ACs, na im my aunty tell am say him pack him load. Big ups to Chamotex, Sly and all other Thamesmead hoodlums you would see hanging out at Tasty's restaurant on any given day. Man must survive! 

I urge Sanusi to press on with applying the same rule of law to all execs as he did to the first 5.

Media uproar and the injection of tribalism into the debate should not stop him now.

PapaBrowne:
If he sacks more MD's, the uproar will be sustained and it will further dissipate the economy. Plus he would have to inject more capital which he knows would only spell disaster.

If he doesn't sack the MD'S everyone will know that his intentions in the first place were to target the 5 banks and destroy them for his own selfish agenda.

If he chooses not to annouce the results, he will loose the minute credibility he has left.

Is it not because of reactions of people like yourself that led to the catch-22 you so aptly described in the quoted post above?

PapaBrowne:
That is failure and if as Seun has said, failure is assumed to be criminal, then Sanusi should be on his way to Kirikiri anytime soon.

This statement lacks logic. Is Sanusi responsible for bringing criminal investigations or is that EFCC's remit? Seun's post applies only to EFCC and not CBN. Sanusi's remit ends with sacking malperforming execs and handing his findings over to the relevant authorities.

Sanusi should press on with clearing out all deadwood from the banking sector. Some who call for change would be the first to cry tribalism when change is manifested.

Seun:
Has Amodu Shuaibu ever won anything for Nigeria?   
If not, why do they keep re-employing and sacking him?

Simply because Amodu's wages are overinflated. . . . if I was to make an informed guess, I would say with 80% certainty that Amodu was hired on the proviso that he kicks back a certain percentage of his wage to Sani Lulu. . . . I cant remember his wage packet, but I remember seeing a report on it and thinking that his wage is too high for someone with no experience outside of Nigeria (except for a short stint with Orlando Pirates). . . . also, Amodu allows NFF to interfere with squad selection. . . . prolly NFF board members get kickbacks from players to include them in the squad. . . . someone like SiaSia or Oliseh will never allow that, thats why they wouldnt give em the job. . . . corruption everywhere!

They better release the finding of the audits quick cos banks will simply refuse to lend to each other until they know the financial situation of the counterparty.

Well done guys!

Good work from Akunyili.

It is up to every country to protect their honour, no matter how dirty their laundry is.

Beaf:
Somebody please remind me; how many wives does this young progressive man have? How many children (if he himself hasn't lost count)?

This is a laughable statement. How many wives did Gani Fawehimni have?

As far as I am concerned, Sanusi is entitled to write about society, religion and the federation as much as he wants before he takes up public office.

All these articles are a few years old.

I browsed his first article with the mindset of suspicion (as I do when reading anything by a Northerner!). However, upon reading it again, I found that he was talking absolute sense.

His articles are quite ambiguous over any short collection of sentences. It is only when you read the whole breadth of the article that you can disambiguate his positions on issues. Hence his words can be twisted and taken out of context to paint whatever picture his opponents wish to. His articles are always in a for-and-against format. He presents the arguments of the proponents of an issue, then the opponents. . . . before dissecting them. Hence his words are always taken out of context.

There is no doubt that he has a leaning toward his people and the stories handed down to him. . . . but only ever so slight. . .  and by the way, dont we all? Also, one can immediately detect that Sanusi has Marxist leanings from any of his articles, and his Marxist leanings are incongruent with any form of oppression or elitism. For example, he has spoken in derogatory terms about the subjugation of the Middle-Belt tribes by the Fulanis.

I think Sanusi is respected in so much as different groups and symposiums such as Urhobo Waado and NigerDelta Congress invite him to write papers on thematic issues before them. The same respect afforded to him by our Southern kinsmen then should be afforded to him now, and we should not use papers he wrote to address our people then to bury him now.

I also bear in mind that Journalism is dead in Nigeria, and journalists are paid by subversive elements to dribble the polity and paint any individual in a bad light (which is what has happened to Sanusi).

Sanusi being a Sharia scholar is also invited to write papers for various Islamic symposiums. The views he expresses there are quite progressive. For instance, he sees Sharia as a progressive system of laws, not a system which must be held to the absolute definition as given in the 7th century. He is entitled to discuss Islam with his people, just like I am entitled to discuss eschatology with Christians. I dont think anyone would consider me an extremist for discussing non-secular topics with my kinsmen.

In addition, Sanusi has always been a fair critic, as seen in his advocacy for Fasheun back when Fasheun was incarcerated. Same Fasheun is now out writing incendiary and libelous articles against Sanusi.

Finally, every politician has a history. Every politician knows that any paper he has previously written will be misrepresented to the general public by his political opponents.  This is why Barrack Obama buried his undergraduate and postgraduate thesis and Harvard refused to release them to the press. In the same way, Sanusis old articles have been used fallaciously against him, most notably by Fasheun.

Trust me, I would be the first to rail against our "Northern Opressors", but in this case, I place Sanusi in the same box I place Ribadu - a man with our interest at heart!

I would wait till reasonable heads like Soyinka and Gani etc speak against Sanusi before forming an opinion.

lekejoe:
Ibime or what ever u call your name,am sure u didt even knw hw to read and right

hehehehe. . . . I am sure you are the one who didn't know how to read and right

Infact, I dont think you know your left from your write

Is this the calibre of graduate Nigeria is producing namadays?

Dr Kitaun:
oh ! so u now realize just how good Nsofor is ?

Nsofor is only good in a central position. I tire for him yeye skills when he is on the left-wing.

Anichebe is the only viable contender for our strikers slot as far as I am concerned.

Old legs like Martins, Yakubu etc need to go and rest. We need a strong boy upfront who would put pressure on the opposing team right from their defence.

All old legs should be swept aside. Am I the only one that noticed that Olofinjana was supposed to close down the striker for Tunisias first goal? By the time the striker took the shot, Olofinjana was in line with the defence and had no energy to rush and block the shot. Thats when he started pointing fingers at Adeleye. Over the last 5 years, that has been a recurring theme with SE. You notice it most when Utaka is on the pitch. Old legs must retire!

They were trying to set up a Private security firm for whom?

Hang the mercenaries jare!

Nigerians are too pessimistic.

If no National Conference, then what are we waiting for? Laughing at SNC is like condemning yourself to prolonged suicide. If so, then lets divide the country jare.

On SNC we stand.

Thank God for yahoo yahoo, otherwise there would be more armed robbers on the streets.

Dr Kitaun:
WHAT GIVES ?

Osaze is a bloodily average boy . . .he doesnt have the clout to play in a big club . . .O MA SE O ! 

lovely skills without end product ? AND U VALUE THAT ? 
Adefemi I agree, even though is game is beginning to look suspect, I knew him as a small boy learning footie and his nickname is OGI_pap  Enyeama, YES ! even though I am not totally convinced that he cant be to blame at all after that 1st goal against Tunisia . . .BUT OSAZE . . . u guys are drunk !!!

Nah. . . . we know that Osaze loves misplacing passes and mishitting crosses. . . . but he never gives you heart palpitations when watching him cos he is not a tactical liability like 75% of the squad. .  . .you will never see him let an opposing fullback run free. . .

Same goes for Adefemi. . . . he does not have the skills of Taiwo but you would never see his flank open. . .

Eneramo and Etuhu are the same, but unlike Osaze and Adefemi, they simply lack the basic technique to play for the Eagles. . .

From now on, I wanna see Ajilore and Keita anchoring our midfield with Anichebe upfront, and any two of Uche, Osaze and Obasi on the wing. . . . with Nsofor just behind the striker like he played against CIV in the olympics. . .

Cristalz:
Heck, which radio station did the poster hear this from?

I listen to my favorite station all the time (Rhythm 94.7).  .  .they're very up-to-date on everything and I never heard anything like this.
Only thing I heard was what Yobo said on TV (AIT). He blamed his fellow players for the loss, not the fans. He said they were playing to the gallery, true, but that doesn't mean he was blaming the fans.
His point was, they were playing to the gallery instead of going for more goals. He said ''even in our foreign clubs, such will not be tolerated''. And then he said ''you know you can't really talk to your teammates how you want to when on the pitch''.

I heard all of the above clearly. Yobo never blamed the fans. He blamed all of them (the players) for playing to entertain the crowd instead of playing to score.
Dunno how the poster interpreted what she heard, but the above is what I clearly heard and understood.

You heard well. .  . on further research, Yobo blamed the players for playing to the fans and not the game. . . .

Still, I wanna know why the boy could not control his defence. . . . . is that the way we taught him to marshall defence in PH?

hehehehe. . . . .Dr Kit dey craze. Na racism cause am. I can boldly say that the only players who give 100% on that pitch are Adefemi, Osaze and Enyeama.

mayordee:
Ibime, u no go kill person with laughter, abeg allow the guy to use Pawpaw tree oh

If he wants to use PawPaw tree, he must use a very tall pawpaw tree. . . . at least as tall as a 5 story building. . . . then attach himself to the topmost branch!

asha 80:
The problem is when trying to enforce your rights to the police they may not be in the right frame of mind or they maybe on a 'different level'

hehehehehehe. . . . .you hit the nail on the head hombre. . . . it is not my portion to argue my rights with silverback gorrillas whose cognitive functions have been affected by an afternoon of downing shack at Mama Busolas roadside bar. . . .

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