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DeReloaded:
Your point? so because in SOME cases it's lower in The states that means Naija must follow suit? What kind of daft reasoning is this?

This just gets worse and worse. I dont know how people reason. I am done explaining shit unless you want me to open your head and put it inside.

Its called 'proof'. There is no proof that Ibinabo was contravening any traffic laws. All we have heard is that she crashed and killed someone. In Yankee, they can calculate exactly how fast a car was going, how many traffic lights it jumped etc. In Naija, Ibinabo can claim that she was observing the speed limit, she swerved to avoid another car (which is her actual defence) etc. Prosecutors cannot prove otherwise, this is why only a miniscule amount of vehicular homicide cases make it to court in Naija. The only witnesses are Ibinabo herself and the brother of the deceased, plus maybe some hawkers at the side of the road. To me, any judgement is not based on sound 'proof', therefore that must be taken into account when sentencing. To opt for a longer sentence than applies in established systems such as Yankee is lunacy.

DeReloaded:
First off, iya e ni "old hag", you bloody dimwit. Secondly, what is hard for YOU to understand that you are a biased slowpoke? So because the roads are "filled with potholes", she should be allowed to go scot-free? First she should be given "18 months" cos that's the American law for manslaughter, now she shouldnt be punished at all cos the roads are bad. Insensitive mongrel. Why not tell the family of the guy this rubbish. Now you went on about Ted Kennedy like you know what the hell you are talking about. Do you even know the story of the incident? Stop comparing American laws and cases that you know absolutely NOTHING about. You can keep bleating though, doesnt change the fact that your village "superstar" is going to Kirikiri

Sorry, I don't trade insults with ladies. . . . I only made an exception for you because of your bovine reasoning. . . if you ask me again why I am comparing Yankee to Naija, I will e-slap you. . . . if Yankee can impose lesser sentences for 'proven' cases of manslaughter by reckless driving, why should Naija impose draconian sentences for cases they cannot even measure, whether by speed cameras or otherwise. . . .BTW, in a Pataki-esque manner, I implore you to find a quote from me saying that she should be spared jail. . . . of course, thats what I prefer, but that is not my legal opinion. . . . now if your pea-brain cannot understand that, I cannot help you. . . .

DeReloaded:
They should give her time to find the father of her kid(s) before she's off cutting grass in prison.

Nobody will even give you caralho talkless of pikin. Jealous woman.

@ allboyz, abeg find your level. Lucia Garland is not for small boys.

Lucia, are you Nigerian? With a name like that, I would have thought otherwise.

dayokanu:
A40,

What happened to the form of Henry Camara, Salif Diao, Papa Diop, El Hadji Diouf when they got to the premiership

the truth is EPL does not develop you to be a technically sound player If you can run then you are ok.

Check the celebrated youngster in EPL Lennon, Young, Agbonlahor and Wallcot what do they have in common?

90% speed 10% common sense. I bet Tijani and Ikedia would have become legends in the EPL.

A Player like Zidane, Riquelme, Xavi with their skill and vision would never cut it there

Daz what I keep telling my man Nateevs. EPL is not for playmakers.

See your chin like pesin nyash. Dat your shine-shine eye go see wonders when appeal comes up.

spikedcylinder:
She's gonna have to sell some of you people's AGO to grease more palms if this case is going to go away.
I am still buying my bubbly though.

Keep celebrating!!! E go do you like film.

Pataki:
Ibinabo deserves the full measure of the law, however harsh it may seem. Sorry, but that is my view.

The full measure of the law for a case like this is not 5 years. I am sorry! 18 months max, except Naija is still in the dark ages.

spikedcylinder:
By the time you people finish with the insults, Ibinabo will be in Kirikiri.

Case is going to appeal. Except more developments before opening that bottle of bubbly, bad-belle!

Pataki:
(1.) Otherwise, you are nothing but a mendacious oaf, and blinded by family sentiment.

(2.) I however, still request and require of you to [b]shamefully disgrace me out of this thread [/b]by quoting my post, where I stated: ''Ibinabo showed up in court with celebrities.'' You have a free shot, do not miss your target.

(1.) It is my business to be blinded by filial sentiment - if I am - but I am not the one misconstruing the facts on ground. I have said repeatedly that based on the charge of reckless driving, it would be more apt if she was given an 18 month sentence as that is the sentence I see handed out in the newspaper everyday for similar crimes. How is that being blinded by sentiment? Seun, Jakumo, Doyin and others have expressed the same sentiment.

(2.) You don come with your small-mindedness again. Does 'disgracing you off the thread' hold any relevance to this discussion? You dey try show machismo even over a sensitive discussion such as this one. You can get your kicks whichever way you like. I dont need to disgrace you to prove anything.

Mr Pataki, you lack the gumption to discern between a serious issue and a trivial one. Imagine choosing an issue as serious as this to display verbosity about nothing in particular. You think this is a verbal joust? On the serious issue of the case in question, you have strayed from facts on ground, choosing to employ tabloid logic to draw your conclusion. I doubt you even know the facts of the case. All you have done so far is present your misconceptions. On the DUI issue alone, there is no need to continue yarning hot air with you. You obviously lack the facts.

Pataki:
You are so opinionated on justifying her actions. Now I ask you. . . . . Was it an involuntary action of hers to undergo binging on drinks? Was it an involuntary actions of hers to be driving recklessly? Was it an involuntary action of hers to flee from the scene of the accident? Was it an involuntary action of hers not to make herself available in court anytime her hearing came up, yet she knows how to attend various other social functions in the meanwhile? Was it an involuntary action of hers to pay a paltry sum of N100K, even when there was no provision of such in the rule of law? If all that is not 'larceny' to you, then, you are incredibly daft!

Your idiocy knows no bounds. All the waffle you typed above has no judicial relevance and is formed from mendacious reports and hearsay. How many times do you have to be reminded that she is court on charges of reckless driving and dangerous driving, not DUI? Maybe you cannot handle the fact that the incident was possibly. . . . . . an accident!

I can see your problem. Your predilection to swallowing mendacious media reports hook, line, sinker and fishing boat is incongruous with your reputation as an educated fellow. Whilst you have a beguiling knack for verbosity, your time is better spent toasting chicks in the romance section as it is quite obvious that you are an educated buffoon who has nothing to contribute but hot air. It is you who is deluded. So Ibinabo paying a fine of N100,000 is now an 'involuntary action', even though it was ordered by the judge? And what social functions has she attended in the meantime? Maybe you were there and would like to enlighten us. Maybe she should cease from living her life because of the trials she is facing? You are the same person yarning rubbish about Ibinabo showing up to court with celebrities, as if her friends are not drawn from such circles; and as if your friends would not turn up to support you if you had a court case. You are a spiteful idiot, and you cannot handle the fact that her life is different to yours. Media LovePeddler.

lol. Afaukwu don come again.

I think you need to revisit the definition of 'lawlessness'. My stance has always been that an 18 month sentence is more in keeping with this kind of crime. As countless others have said on this thread, 5 years is a draconian punishment for this kind of crime. No one says she shouldn't be punished. I don't know why bad-belle dey worry you so much. Does it bring you any gratification?

You are talking about involuntary actions like they are pre-meditated. May you never have an accident, and if you do, I hope you are visited with the same self-righteous ferocity with which you judge others. Mumu like you using 'larceny' to describe an involuntary action. Nama shobiri!

texazzpete:
There is no basis for comparison with the Ted kennedy situation. His car plunged into a river and he was able to get out while the passenger drowned. He was NEVER convicted for manslaughter, he never went off and hit anyone.
So where's the basis or comparison?

I am not drawing a watertight comparison, just showing that it could happen to anyone. Both were coming back from a party, there are unfounded rumours that both were drunk. Both went off the road, one into oncoming traffic and the other into a river. Both fled the scene. Infact, the presiding judge ruled that Kennedy's speed was 'possibly reckless' for the kind of road he was travelling on, although he was only doing 20 miles an hour. Speed is not even an issue here as Ibinabo's speed is indeterminable. I do not think that anyone should be casting stones, especially considering that the car Ibinabo was travelling in was borrowed; and was a high-powered car, maybe one that she couldn't handle or wasnt used to. It could happen to anyone. As Ibinabo claimed in the court transcript, she swerved to avoid another car and lost control of the vehicle. We have no system of verification to determine if this is true or false.

DeReloaded:
If anyone isnt mentally sound it's you. Better take your emotional madness else where. Either answer the question or just ignore it if you cant reply a simple question like a sane person. Mr Ibinabo. what do potholes and what not have to do with anything? So because of bad roads a person shouldnt be reprimanded for killing someone? Yet you have the audacity to ask If IM alright?

First you stated that the inital statement asking to pay a fine was wrong and the fault of the judge
Later you said she doesnt belong in jail
Mins later, she deserves 18 months
Now she doesnt deserve anything because of "potholes"

Better make up your mind and quit confusing yourself

Shut up, you old hag. . . . the initial fine was too light and the latest judgement is too draconian. . .other than that, I have said nothing except that this kind of case is more fitting with an 18 month sentence. . . .what is so hard for you to understand about that?. . . . . imagine this brainless dolt asking me why I am comparing Nigerian and American justice. . . . infact, you are right!. . . . there is no basis for comparison. . . . one has facilities in place for determining culpability whilst the other does not. . . . only a inane caralho like yourself would justify a harsher sentence in a country where the road traffic authorities are incapable of ensuring transparent standards and post-accident analysis. . . .

Pataki:
Go and back and read who decided to ply gratuitous insults at first? Why refer to me as an idiot? You think I am one of those who can be restrained with insults and grammar?

Look at this nincompoop. I never tagged the word 'idiot' to your name. I said "idiots are postulating as to the severity of Ibinabo's crime". In your reactionary style, you quickly jumped on that statement and started flinging insults back and forth. I do not have a problem insulting you anyway cos you're a local maga. Imagine olodo forming grammar for me. Vindictive and unforgiving hypocrite like yourself preaching about the love of God; with body like crayfish forming Prey-Mantis dance moves.

DeReloaded:
why are you comparing American sentences to Nigeria?

Why are you comparing American roads, traffic lights, potholes, speed limits, speed cameras to Nigeria? Are you OK at all? If anything, all these mitigating factors should reduce culpability, not increase it.

Remii:
osisi;
If Ibinabo had been killed in Okrika by one ngbatiman, his car would be burnt and himself killed instantly, if he managed to escape and his people came for settlement he would be made to pay all cash estimated by the family used to have trained her, he would marry her in death and do all burial rights, You don't even dire to kill goat and get away in that area, so do not bring any tribal sentiments here.

Are you speaking from personal experience or spewing tribalistic piffle. Since when do Yoruba battymen  drive on Okrika roads; and on which Okrika road can you have a fatal accident? Is it Kirike mainland which only has one-way streets and is only accessible by okada in most parts, or is it the other islands which are not accessible by car?


@ All,

the sentence should be 18 months max if it can proved that Ibinabo committed involuntary manslaughter by reckless driving. I remember Ted Kennedy only got two months for leaving the scene of an accident in which a lady died. Accidents happen, and people often react out of fear. There is no need to condemn them to eternal damnation.

Sagamite:
If you drive dangerously and kill someone THAT IS IN A CAR (hence the impact most likely is due to excessive speed),

You should refund the money your father paid for your education. Laws of physics are beyond your mental capacity, much less human biology.



@ Pataki,

I hope your pastor would find your iniquitous rants palatable if he happened to stumble across this thread. Tomorrow now, you will use that same tongue to tell us you are a born-again Christian. If you can react so un-Christ-like online, I wonder how you would react in a real-time argument.


@ Osisi,

Kedu? 

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=255730.msg3674682#msg3674682 date=1238600928]The Judge is an idiot and this is what i keep saying about female Judges.
Her primary reason for dishing out such nonsensical sentence might be the fact that Ibinabo is more successful and prettier than her.
Women put ridiculous sentiments before common sense and if there's any justice in the world, the judge would fall to stray bullets of em MOPOL.[/quote]If she is lucky, she will fall to MOPOL. Wait till MEND or Okrika Bush Boys catch her, she will hear wien.

DeReloaded:
I wonder if you'd be this wounded if she wasnt a "family member" Ibime.

The fact that she tried to do away with the situation by sending money proves that she had no remorse.

why else would she send money?

What do you mean by sending money? You think this is Western Union?

The judge fined her a paltry sum, she didn't send anyone money. The initial judgement to fine her only N100,000 was a poor judgement and led to great consternation from the media followed by virulent attacks and emotional OVERREACTION from the public and now, the judge. Infact, Ibinabo is only suffering now because of the earlier judgement. She has been made a scapegoat, and they wanna make a statement with her that nobody is above the law. But then, what is the law?

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=255730.msg3674656#msg3674656 date=1238600508]Heck i didn't know they sent people to jail for perpendicular vehicular homicide that happens almost on a daily in Naija now[/quote]My point exactly. The idiot police do not even have proper traffic detectives who can piece together the cause of an accident after it has already happened.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=255730.msg3674493#msg3674493 date=1238598747]What is her stance and attitude?? Have u seen her since the incident??
Did she justify the death of the medical doctor or what is your point here??[/quote]Are you minding the idiot? Mumu is reading tabloid columns and drawing conclusions. The first rule for any defendant in a vehicular accident is never to admit culpability, even if they feel they were at fault. You could go to any lawyer and this is the first rule in the handbook they give to defendants. If you want to know whether I.B is sorry or not, its best to speak to her family, cos she will never show contriteness in the media whilst still defending herself in court lest its seen as an admission of guilt. Pataki reasons like a neanderthal. Just like the judge, he is waiting for an emotional outburst from I.B before he softens his stance and reduces the sentence that he thinks she deserves. Animal! We are here discussing legal facts which should inform any judgement, the idiot is employing his bleeding heart to make decisions for him. To me, that is the definition of lawlessness.

Pataki:
(1.) I am glad that the rule of law is applied to mannerless and arrogant beings such as Ibinabo.

(2.) You can as well come to naija and drive to your own satisfaction of speed limit.

(1.) You are a fool! I didnt know there was a mandatory sentence for mannerless and arrogant behaviour. Like I said, idiots are just spewing rubbish out of emotions.

(2.) Was I.B over the speed limit? Idiot! Talking rubbish out of emotions again with no knowledge of facts.

Pataki:
I do not know whether there is one. I have not been on that road in about two years now. There might be, and there might not be. But whether there was no speed-limit, it does not validate a woman behaving recklessly. She is subject to the law. Let her face it!

You are a bloody criminal. You cannot tell us whether there is speed limit on the road or not, yet you know what consitutes 'dangerous driving' and how many years one should serve for it. Sciolistic idiot. Since you were there and witnessed the event, maybe you can tell us if she was over the speed limit (thats if there is any speed limit). Was she 'behaving recklessly' or 'driving recklessly' - and what is the mandatory sentence for it? If you are talking about 'reckless behaviour' and not the latter, then keep your emotions to yourself, and lets concentrate only on judicial matters. Also, you can maybe tell us how many years you deserve to serve concurrently for breaking the law by offering rojer to police, JAMB officials etc on countless ocassions. Rule of law my nyansh.

I wish people such as the above would stop chatting rubbish. What do they know about the rule of law? Just chatting rubbish with emotions.

The first questions anyone should ask are:

(1.) Was she over the speed limit?
(2.) Was she drunk?
(3.) They say her car skidded and veered into oncoming traffic. Was the steering defective? Were driving conditions slippery? Any potholes on the road? Is the road properly lit? or did she perform an illegal manouvre?

The fact that she fled the scene is secondary. Most Nigerian drivers flee the scene of accidents. Infact, this is the only crime of hers which can be proved.

Situations where involuntary vehicular manslaughter could occur:

(1.) An involuntary manslaughter conviction can be based on excessive speed in combination with other factors, such as running through an intersection without paying attention to traffic signals or stop signs.

(2.) A driver can be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter even though he or she is driving within the speed limit, such as where a motorist approaches an intersection and is not looking forward, which causes the vehicle to veer and strike and kill a pedestrian.

(3.) If a fatal accident is caused by the driver's unconsciousness as a result of a medical condition, such as an epileptic seizure, or by falling asleep at the wheel, criminal liability for involuntary manslaughter can be imposed.


From the quote above, the oyinbos have showed us that before one is accused of a crime, there should be measures in place to quantify its severity.

What is Ibinabo's crime and what is admissible in a court of law? Was she over the speed limit? Does the road she was on even have a bloody speed limit? Did she turn without looking? Did she run through traffic light? Does Naija have traffic light? This is ridiculous! How many people do you know serving time for vehicular manslaughter in Naija?

For any charge levelled against a Nigerian driver, government has to bear responsibility for failing in it's duty to protect its citizens. That same Government is liable for gross negligence and has no right to lock-up its citizens for infringements they cannot even determine scientifically. Where are the verification systems for determining guilt and innocence? Street cameras, speed cameras, traffic lights, road signs to warn drivers, street lights, pothole prevention etc. Where trailers park anyhow on the side of the road. No police or witnesses on the scene, at least none who know what constitues 'dangerous driving'.

And this same Government (Lagos State Government) is actively pursuing a citizen for a crime it cannot measure? Still, idiots are postulating as to the criminality of Ibinabo's actions. This a travesty of justice. How many Governor motorcades kill pedestrians yearly? What is their punishment? 5 years in Kirikiri for what? In a lawless society? Idiots are here talking about law. Which law?

How can you put Benzema or Gerrard as support striker ahead of Kaka?

[quote author=ife_lekan link=topic=254186.msg3672668#msg3672668 date=1238579922]Thanks Ibime for your contributions and correction, i really appreciate it.
Let me really explain the step (b). The step (b) will be executed if the Hours Worked is greater than 9 hours i.e from 8 am - 5pm. and in case the Hours worked is not greater than 10 the step (a) will be executed and the program code move to incrementing the Counter inorder to continue calculation for the next day.
The step (b) will be executed if Hours Worked is greater than 9 hours thereby calculating the normal amount for the 9 hours and thereby calculating the Overtime Hours and the Amount for the Overtime hours, now adding the Overtime Amount with the normal 9 hours amount before it continues for the next day.
Thanks
More contributions are still welcomed.[/quote]Oops. I didn't note the 'else', between them. Too much in a hurry. Yep, the script is perfect if we just change 10 to 9 with regards to normal hours.

With this problem, it is best to run two seperate scripts in order to input variables (in the 1st script) so as to make it more 'hands free'. You can then call the function under test (main script) from the 1st script so you do not have to start inputting figures into the main script. I wonder if anyone can write an algorithm to find the total wages for all the employees, without having to do the manual addition of all individual pay packets at the end of the day.

With this problem, it is best to run two or three seperate scripts in order to input variables (in the 1st script) so as to make it more 'hands free'. You can then call the function under test (main script) from the 1st script so you do not have to start inputting figures into the main script. You can also have a seperate script for outputting the results if you wish, from where you can then sum up the total wages paid to all employees for the day. I wonder if anyone can write an algorithm to find the total wages for all the employees, without having to do the manual addition of all individual pay packets at the end of the day.

With this problem, it is best to run two or three seperate scripts in order to input variables (in the 1st script) so as to make it more 'hands free'. You can then call the function under test (main script) from the 1st script so you do not have to start inputting figures into the main script. You can also have a seperate script for outputting the results if you wish, from where you can then sum up the total wages paid to all employees for the day. I wonder if anyone can write an algorithm to find the total wages for all the employees, without having to do the manual addition of all individual pay packets at the end of the day. To be quite honest, you will save yourself time by solving this problem in Excel. Any algorithm for this problem would still require a lot of human input.

A lot of people chat rubbish based on perceptions imbued by biased tabloid reporting. Yes, Ibinabo is no saint. She has always been a glamorous woman and lived that kind of lifestyle, however some of the rubbish in the media (such as Ibinabo showing no remorse for her actions) is wide of the mark. I do not know Ibinabo personally but I have known of her since I was a kid. I grew up with her cousins and her uncle was my dad's best friend from school days up until his untimely death from cancer. Her cousin is the only person who produces a monthly magazine for the people of Okrika. . . . . . . If you contrast some of the despicable media reporting with Ibinabo's actions, you will find that their depiction of her character is completely fallacious. . . . . . My people, the Okinans (Okrikas) have been engaged in a civil war since the death of the last Amanyanabo in 1998. The war is between the Tuboniju and Coniju people over the right of ascenscion to the throne, plus some political savagery between PDP and ANPP (plus militancy). My whole village was burnt down as a result of this war, and scores, hundreds even, of people killed. Ibinabo was living in London jejely and decided to go back to Nigeria to host a yearly peace festival between both warring factions. Come and see rivals coming together in the name of peace, no small thanks to Ibinabo. I have pictures of the festival (including pictures of another yearly party she throws for Okrika children in Kirike). I would upload them if I can find a scanner. . . . . This kind of action is totally at odds with her media persona. I only add this anecdote to draw a contrast with the virulent and hateful media depiction of Ibinabo. . . . . That aside, one should look at the court case on it's merits, not from a morally judgemental standpoint. It is a case of manslaughter by driving, not DUI (at least not in court). Manslaughter by reckless driving should carry a sentence of 18 months max. Full stop. The case will be appealed again and Ibinabo will get justice.


On to the judge. I believe she is trying to be a hero. I no go talk wetin I dey imply lest I sound like an animal. Una know as Okrika people dey.

oyb:
most people seem to believe she was drunk. . .

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=n4e&q=was+Ibinabo+Fiberesima+drunk%3F&btnG=Search

Are you alright?

The sentence is for reckless driving.

Count one: Reckless driving

Count two: Dangerous driving

Save the drink-driving allegations for tabloid gossip.

Based on the evidence in court, 5 years is too harsh. This judge is trying to be a hero. She better be careful. She may be messing with the wrong one.

PeeDaVinci:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DUI+SENTENCE+OVERTURNED+15+YEARS+SOUGHT+IN+MANSLAUGHTER-a083499607

check this link out, my fellow US friends - the man there first got fifteen years whcih was later reverted to 10 years, so, dont give me that kind of "this-cant-happen-in-US" talk.

Seen people get the same sentence in UK in the news, it is a pity I cant find the link to those convictions. So, don't let your "star-fan " emotion becloud your sense of judgement in this particular case.

The man in your link has seven DUI convictions. What kind of mumu comparison is this?

I.b wasn't even proved to be under the influence, therefore a 5-year sentence for reckless driving is extremely heavy-handed. Besides, what kind of justice are we serving by sending someone to a hell-hole disguised as a jail? Is Kirikiri a jail or is it a concentration camp?

It hasnt been proved that Ibinabo was under the influence. She fled the scene not even knowing that there had been a fatality. This is a judgement without proof, just media hearsay. As the article says, she was convicted of reckless driving, not drink-driving. Thats an 18 month sentence at most.