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Niflheim: @ijawkid,my location has always been,and will always be..................THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON!!!

HMmmm.....its like you are with some demons there.....lol......

Niflheim: When credo mutwa(south african babalawo) accurately predicted that africans will suffer when obama becomes president,fake and foolish christian prophets claimed that africa will become a bed of roses during obama's tenure. U.S. messed up libya and now are using nato weapons to destroy Mali!!!.....................I BEG MAKE ALL AFRICANS ENTER SHRINE GO WORSHIP PYTHON JARE!!!

Those persons are not christians......they are oppresive politicians hiding behide a christian veneer....they are FAKE!!!!!!!!...........


Where are you by the way??.........

Logicboy03: Guy, na my fault you no get visa?


And who told you that I am not relocating to Nigeria?




I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in you hating snake worship. I myself dont worship anything (maybe Rihanna the goddess of pop or messi the god of football)

Hahahahahahaha.............

When you relocate then we can discuss...........for now just keep quiet..........why did you run in the first place??......you better come back and let's worship EGBESU together in the niger delta style...........lol......

Goshen360: .....

My brother just uproot one verse from hebrew 7 and then translate am to pidgin english........lol......

pastormustwacc: Na wa o.

Oboy na real WAAAAAAAAA.........

Boomark: Is this a threat or what?

Lmao.......boomark ooooo.......I don die for laugh finish........

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Just keep your double edged sword strapped to your body...............

Ehe I send you mail I dey wait for reply........

PAGAN 9JA:
there is no such thing as a fake xtian . to be xtian is to do that. because xtianism has the power to capture the mindset and force people into such actions. it has happened throughout the ages and will continue so if not stopped.

(same with islam)

A christian is a strict follower of Christ.......anyone who claims to be a christian but does not follow in the foot steps of Christ aint no christian,rather that person is a fake christian..............

Christ never used any of those means mentioned above to captivate his followers.....

PAGAN 9JA:
he can practice it ova there. anywayz Logicboy is an atheist.

If he is an atheist then what business does he have here??......

He doesn't even believe in spirits and the supernatural........

Let him get his atheist butt out of here..........

He is clamoring for traditional paganism to be taught in schools,but would never want to practice them or believe in them.........

PAGAN 9JA:
i will only accept this if all African tribals revert to Paganism and then you start preaching through fair means.

85% of World xtians ancestors and them have been converted to christianity by force, lies, deceit, misionary bribery (providing money, shelter, jobs, etc., in return for conversion), etc.

And I would say this again..those who used force,bribery,deceit,lies etc to convert many to christianity aren't christians....they are fake christians......

Logicboy03: But real christians engage in slavery?

Real christians engage in tithes?

Real christians destroy private property (Jesus chasing people with whips and destroying their market stalls)

Which slavery??........

Which tithes??real christians don't pay tithes.....

What was private in that temple that Jesus
Chased away money changers and fraud stars from??..........infact it was the fraud stars who were playing 419 on the innocent persons who came into the temple that were doing the destruction.......

Logicboy03: Jesus told you to be as wise as snakes.

And did Jesus say worship them??......

You are arguing here like you would wanna worship snakes.......

Leave the western countries and come back to 9ja to practice the old religion..........abi you wan practice am there??....hypocrite!!!!!!.......

Logicboy03: Nonsense. So who are the real christians? The false prophets of the Jehovahs witness with their failed prophecies?

Real Christians are those who don't engage in wars and politics.......

I repeat ::::::::Those europeans who killed africans aint christians...they are wayo/psuedo christians....

PAGAN 9JA:
first of all the possibility of twins is very rare. second, if i do it, i will consult the oracle and my wife and i will decide. because this practice is mostly to do with custom rathar than SPirituality. it is not present among any other peoples.

Keep deluding yourself with paganism........which oracle??....those yeye oracles.....

PAGAN 9JA:
oh yes you are mentally deranged. .. . . and narrow. .

...only when I and my family worship snakes.....

Niflheim: @ijaw kid,the christian europeans murdered africans en masse and now they claim that we are ritualists!!!They are the biggest ritualists ever to set foot(or is it paw) in africa!!!

Those europeans who murdered africans aren't christians but pseudo christians..false christians....... ....

And where is that logicboy......??

I hope you are ready to follow up every of pagan 9ja's lecture.......

PAGAN 9JA:
EXACTLY! to be honest i have nothing against it. it is not exactly murder because it is not done at such an advanced stage of development.

i just said that because you fellows where acting weird about it.

Lol........if you were from kalabari would you still teach your kids about such crazy practice and urge them to practice it??....my brother it is weird........

PAGAN 9JA:
they can worship from a distance or make use of the very useful Pagan religious device, the IDol. they can carve it themselves if they want to. then they can cincentrate all their MEntal powers on it and worship the Snake through it.

Lol.........only if I am mentally deranged can i teach my kids to engage in snake worship..........

PAGAN 9JA:
THe Python in Ijaw Religion is not worshiped as a Spiritual Force of Creation. It is more like an animistic Forest Spirit.

IF you want to worship a Creator SPirit , go enquire about it. We Pagans do not discriminate between the different forces. some like to worship the Creator whereas some are more devoted the THe Forces of Destruction. it is all a matter of personal worship.

Hmmmm........na you sabi.......

souldust: are you sure it is python they worship? I am very familiar with you xxxtian's propaganda labelling the ATR idolatry just becos they have some sacramentals in stones, wood, trees and some times animals.

Yeah I'm sure.......where are you from??.....

PAGAN 9JA:
stop being so materialistic for once!

i dont know the exact context! usually Snake worshippers are free from / able to avoid Snake attacks. Snakes never attack people who practice this. I know for example, a tribe in South-West India where they heavily worship snakes, especailly the deadly and feared King Cobra. these people never face any serious snake attacks and if they do, they survive it. they have snake groves in every home. i have noticed this alsoamong many different peoples.

here i hope this thread helps you:
https://www.nairaland.com/1102850/mystery-idemili-culture

https://reptilis.net/index4/snake01.jpg

This is crazy..........madness at its peak.....

Niflheim: @ijaw kid,nothing wrong with ophiolatry(snake worship),........................after all,muslims worship meteorites(stones that fell out of the sky)!!!

There is everything wrong with it......its madness!!!!!!.....

PAGAN 9JA:
are you Kalbari only these people use to kill twins and that too at an age of infancy. i dont know what exactly was the source of this custom. probably to avoid disease spreading from one kid to the other of similar genetics, etc.

also the occurence of twins is what? 1 in a 10 000

also even animals like cats, lions etc, the mothers usually eat 1 baby at this stage after pregnancy. the baby has not yet sen life and is not aware of anything. ofcourse this "custom" can be done away with.

Why should it be done away with??.....why??.....
Its suppose to be taught and practiced.......

PAGAN 9JA:
YES I ALREADY ANSWERED YOU! YOU MUST REVER THE SNAKES ONCE IN A WHILE! GO ENQUIRE ABOUT THE EXACT RITUAL AND CONTEXT INVOLVED!

My kids would never go near a snake talk less of worshipping it.........


Rubbish!!!!!!!!.........

Niflheim: @ijaw kid,I am also ijaw and I want to tell you that there is nothing wrong in worshipping a snake,after all,christians worship casper the friendly ghost()

Lol.......

Let me ask you.....have you ever tried worshipping a ""python"" or would you love to worship a ""python""??..........

Its better for an invincible being to be my GOD than for a python who is lesser than me......

PAGAN 9JA:
YES WE DO EXPECT YOU! Snake reverance is practiced from Africa to South AMerica, To SOuth India and across the globe in Polynesia.
snake are highly revered cold-blooded creatures.
it wont hurt your children a$$ to offer their respects to the snake.
(btw I thought snake worship is done in IDemili>?)

Hahahahahaha.....you aint serious..........what would the snakes do for my kids except injecting deadly venoms into there system....

PAGAN 9JA:
wait i dont get you? sometimes i feel you are just talking for the sake of it. .

WHat is worng with the former lives of our forefathers? dont you know that women had higher status back then? in the ancient days we did some fine self-progress and built up our own version of lives. nowadays we are relying on oyinbo to build it for us.

If we were to keep practicing the pagan culture of those days down till today I don't think my twin sister would be alive....she would have been killed........
I hope you know what I mean??....

PAGAN 9JA:
running around? there is no need to run. they can walk.

talk sense fellow. we are not muslims that we must go 5 times a day and do this even if we dont want to. we are Pagans. it is all a matter of personal spirituality. and please dont call this JUJU . specify a particular PAgan religion or else dont talk.

if your kids have problems, etc., they will theselves go and do whatever ritual or consultation is requires. they dont need to hold an idol on their head and "run" around. If they want for daily once-a-day worship, they can keep an idol of Mamiwata (or whatever it is you Ijaw worship) or they can face a water source. it all depends on ritual and context.

as for face paint, masks, etc., these are done only during special occasions and festivals. on such days it is good for them to get on the ground and do what their forefathers did. it is good for their personal SPiritual and Cultural health. and they can learn something about community vaues by integrating with people in their village once in a while. whats the harm>>

even I DO THAT.

Where I am from they worship ""SNAKES"".....you expect my kids to do the same??....answer me......

PAGAN 9JA:
you know why is that because when these many Nigerians go abroad and think they can integrate with the outside and be trated as equals and of status, they are highly mistaken. people stamp on them and disregard them. while at the same time these people outside will fiercely dfend their own beliefs and culture/ it is then that these Nigerians realize that the world is a cruel place and if one wants to survive, one must rely on ones own identity and roots. this heralds the begining of a period of enlightenment in them.

You should tell logicboy this ....he ran away from his country expecting the rest of us to propagate the nigerian pagan culture..........

As for me I dey nigeria gidigbam!!!!!!.....

Logicboy03: Sayeth the Jewish slave.


Ijawkid's white masters have told him not to give blood. If his sister is dying on a hospital bed, Ijawkid would not give her black zz any drop of blood.

Lol........ijawkid kid would rather resort to letting his sister recieve bloodless medication which is safer and more effective....abi science never teach you that one??..............

Logicboy03: For instance, I am able to explain a partcular festival that had pagan origins to my white friends. However, some of my Nigerian friends were silent and didnt know how to explain the festival to the foriegners. Their parents didnt teach them Nigerian culture that is steeped with paganism.

My parents taught me a lot about the ijaw culture........that's what every parent should do....but practice them??...MBAAAAA!!!!!!......

Where I am from in bayelsa snake worship is an integral part of there culture......you don't expect me to teach my kids that and tell them to practice it........

You sef you no go gree.......

That's what pagan 9ja wants from us......

souldust: why do you learn christianity? And whats wrong with your kids practicing it?

Its got so much to do with our mental progress. When europeans came, they made us believe that we were capable of nothing sublime. We internalized it and became brain dead and low self esteemed. But our arts especially philosophy, poems, dance, folktales, creative fine art in our artifacts were what vindicated us. All these have root in the ATR. Do some education on your part and dont let ignorance and prejudice rub you of glory

I know my culture.........I don't know about you....

The many persons supporting that paganism be thought in nigerian schools are not even in the country to start with....they've all gone to lick the arses of the westerners................

PAGAN 9JA:
stop talkin nonsense. improvements in the public sector would include, more productivity (due to lazy fools not wasting time in church/mosque), more public disposable money due to drop in tithing/curch benifits, halt in mosque/church construction and saving valuable lands , etc.

about the mental productivity, people would have more self-pride, indepence of thought and estrangement from narrow mindedness, opening up of Spiritual thought process, etc.

And you think learning about paganism and practicing it would make us opeÑ minded and e
ffect progress in nigeria??......

I think the life of our fore-fathers should have shown that.......smh!!!!!.....

OFCOURSE! is that even a question[/quote]You expect my kids to be running around with there hands and legs tied with red straps,with white chalk paintings all over there body and then dancing around a JUJU??........

You no serious u hear,.......,

Logicboy03: You are so ignorant. This is to be able to teach our children our culture.

they would know.........we'll teach them at home......

Let me ask you.....what would you do with it??would you teach your kids.??......

PAGAN 9JA:
abeg what has fuel price got to do with SPirituality why are you confusing 2 unrelated things togetha

IF i ask you your name, will you tell me your fathers occupation MUMU!


THIS ISSUE IS 100% NECESSARY FOR NIGERIA'S MENTAL PROGRESS! INFACT I WANT SOME SERIOUS ADVOCATISM IN IJAW RELIGION. .

It definitly has no relation to our mental progress...infact it might make us retrogress..........

When our kids learn it what do you expect them to do??practice it??......

musKeeto: How can learning about your history be unnecessary?

We know about our history already.....

Abi you no know??