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chukwudi44: I think your questions should be directed to Jesus.Also ask him to explain his ominipresence and omniscience

Why should I ask Jesus??......

When Jesus himself did tell us what fluid was in the cup he gave his apostles to drink....
Matthew 26:26-29


KJV


26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread,
and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the
disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and
gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament,
which is shed for many for the remission of
sins.
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink
henceforth of this"" fruit of the vine"", until that
day when I drink it new with you in my
Father's kingdom.
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Jesus' last statement in verse 29 explicitly shows what was in the cup.....and that was after Jesus had said ""this is my blOod""....

You guys should stop reading spurious meanings to Jesus' words...

Jesus knew about Yahwehs commands recorded in the book of leveticus 17:10-12...

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The apostles even later reiterated after Christs ascension that Gods servants should abstain from blood.....

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The wine,bread and the CUp all symbolized Jesus' blOod,body and the new covenant respectively..........

For you guys to think you are eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood literally is CANNIBALISM.....

SMH!!!!....

italo: Ask Jesus.

Lol...

Jesus aint no cannibal and never would support cannibalism...infact Yahweh hated cannibalism......

I should be asking you and your freinds....

Snowwy: We can see who has not been reading their bibles.

Read Revelation 14:9-11, Revelation 20:10

If that is not enough for you to understand we are not here for child's play then I cannot help you.
Nice day.

You still have not answered if ""death"" and hell"" will be tormented too.....

Snowwy: No one 'dies' eternally. Read the very scripture I quoted from revelation 20:14-15. The second death is the Lake of fire and that in itself is eternal torment.

Christianity is not a walk in the park...you have the opportunity to live right now and repent when you sin, do not wait till after death, I beg of you.

Will ""DEATH"" and ""hell"" also be tormented??

Ubenedictus: i'm telling u what the bible says Jesus said "dis is my body" simple wu am i to say it isnt? He transform bread into his body.

SMH again and again......

so when he ""transformed"" the bread into his body I guess some pound of flesh also literally did get missing from his body....

Abi??........


You guys have just helped Jesus support cannibalism....

ona do well.....

What about the wine??

Did it change to his blood too??....

So that we can just conclude we are vampires under a christian veneer....

SMH!!!!.....

Ubenedictus: so Jesus took a bread and told every body "this is my body" and u claim that is figurative?

Are you telling us that Jesus did cut out his flesh literally and gave to his apostles to wakk??...

SMH!!!!!......

nne3870: @frosbel...So whats d lie sir? Who is decieving who? How many hve u brought to Jesus thru yr threads? There are many ways of preaching d gospel bt i dn't knw since when has bashing other churches been d new way of evangelism. You claim to love jesus but u keep scattering his flock. I leave u with christ word to peter, if u love me gather my flock

We are not bashing churches,we are bashing doctrines.......

Just like the one in this post........

Boomark: And Rev 1:1 say "...things that must shortly take place."

sorry o, you should have read you bible before you start.

Lol....

No mind them...

When ever they look at revelation 12 all they think about is MARY....so that they can call her ""queen of heaven"" and then pray through her.....

Ubenedictus: u have answered ur question.

Have you tried applying 1260 days to marys running to the wilderness??...


That's what I'm waiting for.....

And please did the man child join mary to egypt(aka wilderness as you have chosen to interprete it) or not??...


Because it seems you are trying to tell us Jesus was born twice..here on earth,then after his acsension mary ascended too into the heavens and gave birth to Jesus again,then left Jesus for the wilderness....

SMH!!!!......

Ubenedictus: again i get ur point. To unveil a reality is useless unless there are people who arent blind who are capable of seeing and appreciating d reality. If u are unveiling a reality to one with closed minds it is like pouring water in the dark.

When unveiling a reality with pagan myths I wonder what you hope to achieve.....

.....SMH!!!!

Ubenedictus: bowing to an image we learnt from joshua as 4 prayer bead it developed just d way scriptures did.

SMH!!!!....

Did Joshua your mentor also use beads too in worship??....

So the development that saw the need of using prayer beads in worship escaped the notice of all servants of God in the past including the apostles and Jesus,but was discovered by UBE and his coLleagues...

Sorry my brother...

we've exposed what led to that development.....love for pagan practices(paganism) is what led to it......

The buddhists and muslims set that pattern for you guys and not the holy spirit or the apostles who worshipped God in spirit and in truth...

Did you read that ephesians 2:19,20 I quoted??...

It seems you dodged it....

Ubenedictus: atlast u still havent showed me d phase "kingdom hall" u only talked of kingdom prayer is found in d bible too. U still havent showed me d word bible in d bible.

I used the term ""scriptures""...

Can we define the word ""bible"".??....

Let's define it....oya......

Boomark: Hail Mary full of grace...amen.
Hail Mary full of grace...amen.
Hail Mary full of grace...amen.
Hail Mary full of grace...amen.
Hail Mary full of grace...amen.
Hail Mary full of grace...amen.

O baal, hear us!
O baal, hear us!
O baal, hear us!
O baal, hear us!

This is what is called vain repetition. Catholics should change from their pagan ways and turn to Christ.

I still can't fathom what mary is doing in the prayers of professed christians......

If I ask if this was the pattern the apostles adopted,mr UBE and his colleagues will ask me about sola bible...

SMH!!!!.....

Ubenedictus: those guy didnt have a bible, nor a "kingdom hall" so why do u have a bible?

Those guys you are talking about were amongst the individuals who penned down Gods word down for us to read......

They had the books of the prophets and the law with them....

Jesus read from them.......

Abi na physics textbook Jesus read??

Ubenedictus: show me where the word "bible" and d phase "kingdom hall" is found in scriptures then i will b interested in the joke u wrote above



they are still waiting for him

does d scriptures say anything about "kingdom halls" and "bible"?
Did u lose ur logic hat somewhere so that u nolonger know wen ur arguement is illogical?

How does this question relate to you and your cohorts bowing down to marys image and using prayer beads??...

The length at which you guys go to defend paganism baffles me.....

SMH!!!!.....

The word ""kingdom"" is in the bible.....that's were the word kingdom hall was coined out from.....as for the word ""hall"" I hope you know what it means.....

The word bible is not in the bible,but the word ""scriptures"" is in the scriptures.....

Thank you....

Can we find a trace of the use of beads in worship amongst servants of old who worshipped God??....

chukwudi44: Even you cannot proove your sola bible doctrine then there is no basis for your argument so asking me to show you anything does not even arise.

Even Jesus himself quoted outside the bible when he spoke about the murder of the prophet zechariah.So many other biblical authours quoted outside the bible or even referred to books outside the bible.

Simple put the concept of sola bible has no logical or scriptural basis

Jesus talked about the death of prophet zechariah.......

and that was a tradition Jesus adopted from pagans??........

How does that even relate to your using the rosary in worship.....??..

Jesus quoted from the law to buttress his points on worship....

Jesus didn't snatch a pagan practice to worship his Father.....

Ubenedictus: first of all what is ur definition of "early"?

1st century christians.......

Don't act like you don't know what I mean.....

chukwudi44: You can't force your sola bible doctrine on me.I cannot be bound by your man made doctrines.

I'm not forcing it on you....

Keep swimming in paganism ......

Ubenedictus: ur sematics! Give me how long she stayed so i can apply it.

Revelation mentioned it......

Abi you no see am??.....

And i hope joseph went with her to the wilderness.....

chukwudi44: Ol boy where did I mention solar system? What I am talking about is sola bible which simple means bible alone doctrine.

You are predicating your argument that the rosary is wrong simply because it is not in the bible.so my point goes thus; where is this doctrine of bible alone taught in the bible? Is there any scriptural backing for this doctrine?

Did the biblical authours believe in this doctrine?

Is martin luther not the originator of these doctrine?

The catholic,orthodox and indeed all apostolic churches do not subscribe to these doctrine.It is simply a doctrine which fails to proove itself

I was just being sarcastic....

The word sola just reminded me of the solar system....lol...

So back to the sola bible issue.......

if you won't base your doctrines on the scriptures then on what would you base it??..

Now I see why you guys resorted to hijacking paganism...

Is that not it??....

Now can you kindly tell me if the apostles used the rosary or beads in worship....

That's what I've been asking....

Let's read ephesians 2:19,20
Ephesians 2:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners
and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s
people and also members of his household,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and
prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the
chief cornerstone.
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You guys forget that our foundation is suppose to be on the prophets,the apostles and Jesus(the chief corner stone)...

Anything that has its origin outside this foundation is spurious....

Hope you now see why the scriptures should be our final authority and not some pagan cherry picked practices......

Even Jesus quoted from the scriptures to show prove pertinent points on worship...

I wonder why you guys should move outside the confines of the scriptures to explain ""worship""....

For the final time:::

DID THE PROPHETS,JESUS and the APOSTLES use prayer beads in worship??

chukwudi44: Ol boy go siddon joor.u no get talk.your arguments are always inconsistent

They are consistent...

You are the inconsistent fellow that always allow paganism becloud your scriptural thoughts....

chukwudi44: @ijawkid

Where in the bible is sola bible taught?what is the origin of these man made doctrine?

Chukwu has come with his solar system question.....

Answer my question first...

Is the rosary found in the scriptures or was it used by early christians in worship??

Did they use beads in worship??

@UBE...

Oh I forgot...

You will have to start telling us wether the ""revelations"" Jesus received from His Father to give to the angel,that later conveyed it to John were given before mary gave birth to Jesus or after. Jesus' return to heaven....

You go interprete scripture today belleful.......

Ubenedictus: To d request made by serial i wish to respond. First who is d son rev12v5 says she brought forth a male child wu is to rule all d nations with a rod of iron that is a direct ref to psalm 2vs9 that say "he will rule(break) them with a rod of iron" and ps2vs7 and heb1vs5 confirms that that "male child" is Jesus. Does anyone disagree?? Then check rev19vs13-15 and see that the child is Jesus. Is anyone still disputing that?? Or is there another person wu ascended to God nd his throne??
The next question is: Wu then is the woman?? gal4:4 says: ...God sent forth his son born of a woman wow! It is getting interesting. Is7:14 tell us "a young woman (virgin) will bear a son" matt 1, 2and luk 2:6,7 say the woman is mary.
Now i assert that by d witness of scriptures d child is Jesus and d woman is mary his mum.
B4 i end i wish to draw a parallel btw d happening in rev and d life of mary.
Rev 12 say d dragon wanted to devour d boy.
matt2vs13 says herod wanted to distroy Jesus.
Rev 12 say d woman flee to a d wilderness
matt2vs13,14 say mary and co flee to egypt ofcourse thru d wilderness.
Now this is where i wish to pause, i believe to an open mind i have shown how d woman and son of rev12 correspond to Jesus and mary.
Peace.

How long did the woman stay in the wilderness she ran to??.........

Can you please apply it to mary and let's see.....

Thank you mr ""mary the queen of heaven""....

Oyaaa......

More questions coming soon....

Ubenedictus: yeah

The last time I checked ""Truths"" were found in the scriptures......can I find the use of beads in worship in the scriptures??..

Ubenedictus: before christ only pagans believed that a being from heaven could take human flesh. Does that mean that christ is fake? Why is ur logic alway defective?

And who told you the Jews never knew how the messiah would come .....

Those same Jews had earlier known how. Angels materialized and was welcomed by there fore-fathers........

Christ isn't fake,that is why the scriptures talked about Him....

Does the scripture say anything about the rosary??..

Mr ""UBE"".....:-)

Ubenedictus: the ingenious ijawkid and his gymnastics. U guys said it is totally wrong to REPEAT prayers, we showed u that prayers are repeated in scriptures now u are diving to d meaning of d prayers and d types.
U see what i mean wen i say u are ingenious?

SMH!!!!!!........

What prayers??......

""Holy mÀry mothe® of GOD please pray for us""??


Is that It??

You repeat those words like primary school kids that recently just learnt how to say the nigerian pledge.......

And you repeat that ""pagan"" slogan morning and evening......

And worse of all,you do that while counting your beads.....

How pagan can that get!!!!!!!!.......

You think that is what tho§e living creatures Àre doing in he
aven??

Mr_Anony: It depends on how you define "alive"

I haven't got much time to go in depth into scripture so I'll assume that you are quite conversant with it and just go ahead and shoot.

...As I said, it depends on how you define "alive". compare how in Genesis, God told Adam that the day he ate the fruit he would die, also consider how Jesus refers to sinners as dead i.e. "let the dead bury the dead". Next, consider that the state of being in the lake of fire is called the second death.

So what does the bible mean when it talks about death?

I'll suggest to you that death means separation. Physical death being the separation of the body and soul while spiritual death being separation from God. The second death is simply eternal separation from God, thrown out of the city of God into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Another thing I will implore you to do is to prayerfully read Ezekiel chapter 26, 27, and 28. and equally read Revelations chapters 19, 20, and 21. These should help you put those verses in context.

Cheers

And you have read it a million times that that ""DEATH"" wethe® spiritÙal or physical will die too.....

I don't know how you choose to dodge this glaring truth......

The bible says Yahweh will use Jesus to kill death itself....

the second death isn't just eternÀl seperatiÓn,it is also total destrÙction and complete obliteration......the same thing t
hat happened adam....adam died in everyway....

From your reasoning we can say death will still exist even after Jesus has destroyed it......

I will repeat the same words I sÀid when this discussion started.....

""Eternal life"" is a Gift and not a purnishment....


Satan cannot gain immortality or eternal life....

italo: Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[b]

who was, and is, and is to come.”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
    to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
    and by your will they were created
    and have their being.”

Even the 24 elders never stop because the repeat their prayer anytime the four creatures repeat theirs.

This is the word of the Lord!

Please can you write out verbatim what you say when you use the rosary and let's compare it with the words of praise the 24 elders /the living creatures render to the almighty??...

And let's also find out if they were using prayer beads up there in heaven.....

I tire for ona....

Ubenedictus: nah! Never make that mistake and claim "i am after d truth" that is a big lie. I have discussed with u for some time now and i hv seen u used d most ingenious of arguement just to claim u are right. Do u rememba d thread where after we should u d legit use of images u came back screaming that d image can only b legit if God explicitly comanded to make it? Hahaha i remember animal farm "all animals are equal but some i more equal than oda", in ur dictnary all images are equal but sum are more equal.
U don try.

Does using the rosary sound like the truth to your ears??......

Only pagans use beads in worship and in prayer.....

Or are you a muslim??.....

Logicboy03: The last time I checked, atheists were fools/evil.


So how is that showing atheists love?

We don't hate you,we only hate that you hate what is GOOD....

Logicboy03: lol....love your neighbour unless he is gay, atheist or pagan.


Christians got no love for unbelievers

We hate the ""act"" and not the individual....

frosbel: especially the Nairaland atheists, most of them are gays , they are trying to break down all barriers so that society will accept their perversions, but it will not work.

That's what I've been saying too......

They are either gays or aspiring to be one....

tevinsolt: i heard an interesting perspective two days ago....if homosexuality is not a choice and they are born that way, if a drug was discovered to correct the orientation will gays accept the offer? something think about hhuh?

How would they accept treatment when they love to live depraved and immoral lives while claiming its natural for a man to sleep with a man.......

Very soon they'll say bestiality is an abnormality in nature just like homosexuality is.....

And That it is also natural for humans to have sex with animals ........