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thehomer: Okay that is yet another Christian view. In fact, it is one of the points of agreement with Jehovah's Witnesses.

It is what the scriptures teaches....

thehomer: Okay. If the person doesn't know, they may be insane, mentally deficient or controlled by God.

I take the bolded......

thehomer: So is it the earth where children play around with lions?

If you say so.......it is the earth where all wickedness and madness is a thing of the past........

thehomer: Hey if the cap fits . . . . The thing is that what he's done meets the definition of genocide.

The human definition of genocide which ofcourse isn't Gods view.....abi??......

thehomer: Because you do not have enough information to determine whether or not he is good.

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.....I have the scriptures to feed me with that information......all In all God is just and knows what's best for mankind......

thehomer: You don't know that it is for our own good. It may be for the good of the modern Jews or for the good of the aliens 50 light-years away who will need to eat or use humans for their own ends. You simply don't know that.

Lol....I do know bro........because it is far from God to act unjustly.......

Gods actions were for the good of all living back then.......the city of sodom and gomorrah was as good as gone....

thehomer: what God did was indeed
What greater good? Couldn't he have separated the adults from the children? You said he is all powerful didn't you? Or is God now limited to consequentialism?

Can you please explain how God could have done that??......God through his faithful servant had warned the people about there misconducts........besides the scriptures says
It was the wicked that was destroyed...you might just be the one forcing the notion that there were kids amongst those who were destroyed....maybe God miraculously made it that the sodomites never had kids who were below the age of independence.....

I know you never thought of the bolded...

When abraham had a discussion with God as regards sodom and gomorah before its destruction it was agreed that only the wicked would be destroyed........

thehomer: Again I don't see what bearing this will have. e.g If I say yes, then you've simply shown that people still commit genocide. If I say no, then it means non-combatants weren't being targeted neither was the aim to wipe out a tribe.

Answer na ............remember we want to find out if the creator of every life and thing really committed genocide

thehomer: Okay so not everyone goes to heaven. Does that mean most people who are good according to your Christian worldview would remain on earth?

Exactly my point.......

thehomer: That isn't the argument I'm making.

I understand your argument,I'm just giving a counter question...

thehomer: Okay. Are you talking about reincarnation or some earth in which it's all unicorns and rainbows where children play with lions?

Nope my bro...I'm talking about ressurection.......I don't believe in re-incarnation......

thehomer: My point was that it had no bearing on this argument.

It does have a bearing my bro.....you can't just sit there and judge God that he is genocidal

thehomer: In that case, you cannot tell whether or not God is actually good or evil because it may just be that those acts that seem in our eyes to be unjust are actually unjust and he enjoys watching people suffer. And if God is arbitrary, I see no point in bothering with him.

Why can't I tell if God is good or evil..??.....

God is all powerful and can do what he wants to accomplish his purposes which at the end of the day is for our own good........

What happened at sodom and gomorah was for the greater good....


You still haven't answered clearly if the rebel groups/NATO carried out a genocide on gadaffi and his cohorts.....

thehomer: Who is heaven for?

For the matured persons.....and those persons have special assignments which ofcourse a child below 3 yrs can't fit into......heaven isn't a K.G class.....

thehomer: The person carried it out on the basis that children who die below that age go to heaven.

What if the person does not even know why he is doing it??.....

thehomer: When these children are resurrected, where do they go?

They stay right on this earth which is there original Home...chikena....!!!........

thehomer: I don't care about NATO and Gaddafi and I don't see what bearing that has here since I know people can commit genocide.

Yes God's act fits the definition of genocide. Unless you want to redefine genocide.

You should care bro...I really want to know wether the word genocide is all encompassing or if we humans just decide to call every killing genocide............

And like anony said you can't use our limited human knowledge to judge Gods actions...he is the source and giver of all life, so he knows how (and has the right) to act justly which in our eyes might seem to be unjust.........that is why I'm asking if the extermination of gadaffi and his cohorts(a group) carried out by the libyan insurgents supported by NATO was a genocidal act......

thehomer: That isn't what the theory is supposed to explain. By that same line of reasoning, one can say the theory of plate tectonics is false because it doesn't tell us how the earth itself came into existence.

And you do know what I'm interested in and what I expect the evolution theory to explain............

You do know,don't you??.....

Van snickers: Wrong. Rather he redefined Creation and limited creation to the Soul alone.


"Although generally accepting the theory of evolution, John Paul II made one major exception – the human soul. "If the human body has its origin in living material which pre-exists it, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God"

And how does his stance negate the fact that man was created??............

thehomer: Are you saying that children don't go to heaven when they die? If so, then where do those children that died of diseases and other acts of God go?

Those kids who have died are in Gods memory waiting until they are ressurected..........what are children going to heaven to do??......heaven isn't a place for children.....

thehomer: I'm making the argument that assuming these children go to heaven and the person who does this killing goes to hell, then that person isn't evil, but is an altruist.

We've got to consider on what basis the supposed person carried out the act........

thehomer: Resurrection is life after death isn't it?

Yes.......but not life in between death and ressurection.....

thehomer: His attack on Sodom and Gomorrah was indiscriminate. He also commanded people to commit genocide so your claim there is wrong. Genocide has a certain meaning that has to apply once the causative agent is sapient. Saying otherwise simply commits the fallacy of special pleading.

You are judging Gods act on sodom as a genocide?............But no it isn't .....how would you describe natos suPport of the libyan rebels against gadaffi and his cohorts??......

Van snickers: Keep quiet!! Pope John II accepted Evolution as a fact.

http://biblelight.net/darwin.htm
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-10-25/news/9610250130_1_humani-generis-evolution-theory

By the bolded do you mean pope John paul ended up disbelieving in creation??......

thehomer: Why do you think the theory of evolution is false?

Because it is false........does nt in anyway tell us how the first man came into existence and how the first animals came into existence before producing there kinds......

And its good to hear you say its a theory......

thehomer: As I said before, I have a counter argument for you (Mr Anony) which I think does a better job against God.

i am not sure you do......

thehomer: Premise 1: God exists and cares about humans.

exactly...Thats why created them in thefirst place

thehomer: Premise 2: God would prefer it if most or all humans go to heaven.

Yes he would....but not all humans will and can go to heaven.....the better way to say it is:: if God would prefer all humans gaining everlasting life....the answer is YES...

thehomer: Premise 3: All children who die below the age of three years will go to heaven.

Nope,,,the scriptures does not say..besides little children arent candidates for heaven...what would they gothere to do??

thehomer: Conclusion: It would be right to kill all children below the age of three years until the human species goes extinct. Following from this, the person who does this is the ultimate altruist.

the question is who is or should be doing the killing?,.....

thehomer: The God here is a variant of the Christian God. And you may assume that people go on living in some form after their death.

until persons are ressurected i dont believe in persons living in some form after death......and God remains the same...

thehomer: In fact, this reasoning has been used as a justification of God's command to commit genocide.

God never committed genocide to start with.....we as humans do not have the right to say the creator ever committed genocide,.....

Da-ny-ell:
I am not in support of homosexuality and like I've always maintained, homosexuality should be treated as a mental condition.

Lol....good to know............

Then wahala no dey...

Da-ny-ell:
The urge to cheat that is.

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Da-ny-ell:
@op, there is nothing like "the spirit of adultery", stop trying to push blame to something else. The problem lies with you and to be factual, no amount of advice will change you if you don't want to change. I can't say anything because you did not give a reason for your actions other than the the vague statement "i just feel the urge to cheat on her". Mr man if you just feel the urge to cheat on her, you can easily turn off that urge when you want it.

I hope and wish you can tell the bolded to homosexuals who your colleagues claim are by nature engaging in the degrading act of homosexuality...........

And may I ask??.....dÓ u really want him to turn the urge off??.......

Logicboy03: Guy, why are you surprised?

Didnt you see the thread where they asked striky why he is still a christian?

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Logicboy03: Fail, Fail, Fail!


Guy, even catholics teach evolution. Christians teach evolution.

Sadly, black christians and black evangelical christians are mostly in ignorance about evolution

What evolution??.....please can you tell me the evolution the catholics teach??.......

If at all they do how does that make the teaching of evolution right and a fact??....

@strikt....oboy come o...na which evolution ona dey teach??....

Logicboy03: lol....

You abuse children's minds with "a biblical approach to dinosaurs" and dont expect a monumental level rebuke of poured on you by rational members of the society?


If that is what the op describes as aggressive, please God, let me be a hyper-aggressive atheist!



Mtchew

Why do you guys want to indoctrinate the little naïve kids with evolution which is false..??.............

Ona wan spoil them??........

musKeeto: I swear. I go personally lock you and one Christian homo for the same cell...

Lmao...............

If the Homo near me walahi I fit commit murder for the first time in my life...........

If them lock us for d same room make him just dey him own o......

musKeeto: Lol..
Well, it's all prophecy coming true.. so why complain?

Oboy na last days something o.......

Atheists go soon begin persecute us right left center...........

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musKeeto: O boy, dem close the other thread.. No vex o.. I just deyh pull your legs.. the mathematics you dey solve once homsexaulity dey concerned fit make crase man well..

And I don dey dodge mosquito net since 1777... no carry me play, lol

Lol...who close the thread na..??.....

Muskeeto them full india o abeg grab ya muskeeto net and use o........

Logicboy03: E be like say I suppose meet you with AK-47 make we see whether you go display all this yourIjaw juju nonsense

Mtchew, u don forget say I be warri boy?


When pipeline burst and exploded, Akpos, Tega, oritsewunmi fry like yellow garri we dem dey process....all dem jazz fall their hand.......fire no get enemy or friend......ye shall burn in the flames

You be warri boy na him you dey yarn rust here........

Them tell u say the egbesu juju na for fire wey dey come out of exploding pipe lines...........??.......

How can a warri boy say the asawana / egbesu juju is a sham??......

Abeg you no be warri boy joor....e be like you from middle belt.........

ghostofsparta: He is not stubborn, he just trying to be rational, which I also do when disputing foreing religions in relation of how they destroyed Africa, but not on AFRICAN supernaturality, but you on the other hand clings to these foreign religions.

If you believe in the existence of African supernatural powers why then would you accept that of the foreign religions who have been proven and disputed to be false and fake?

I believe in the One who is the source of all powers.....the supreme ruler of the universe.........

I believe that is not foreign...,,,,abi??....

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musKeeto: Get well soon.. NOt that we miss you, but get well
And why do I feel guilty?

Why u go bite strikt?..........

We go soon cut off ya proboscis soon.........

@ strikt......get well soon bro.........use muskeeto nets...u hear?......

ghostofsparta: Logicboy haven't shied away, why can't you religionists let logicboy be, he is more logical than you Ijawkid who prefers Jewish tradition and culture as superior to that of the Ijaws/Izons. If logicboy or any atheistS takes up the challenge and realize Yoruba claimed supernaturality does exist, note that it doesn't validate the existence of your Abrahmic deities and religions. Why don't you or 'Toluwarni' take up the challenge?

I don't need to take up the challenge because I knw these powers exist........the onus is on the atheists who claim that there isn't any supernatural or higher powers........

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The egbesu's in the Izon villages is enough evidence............

Let logicboy and his cohorts come out and take up the challenge,not me........

And logic boy is not more logical than me.......he's just stubborn......

Toluwarni: LOGICBOY01 COME AND TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE NA.... SINCE YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN THEISM.

The fake boy would always shy away.....

Atheists are really just bent on decieving themselves.........its only a matter of time....they'll take back all there rants......

Let them return all the amnesty monies they've been given before they revert back to militancy........

I-diots them................

plaetton: You still don't get it, do you?.
You are very very silly.
Asking me if I like the act of homosexuality shows how shallow you are, and that You are basically still looking for an excuse to hate someone.
There are a lot of willful acts that fellow humans do that I am disgusted with, would neither do , nor would I fraternise with those that do. That is what makes me human.

But hating something , or someone, or a an entire group of people, and denying them basic human rights and dignity on the very silly excuse that god hates it or them,is sooooooooooooo silly and moronic.

Should I give you a long list of things that god hates?

In this case, god becomes a convenient excuse to vent your fears and hatred to simple things or people that you feel threaten your own culturally biased sensibilities. It is the way of the ignorant coward.

Unlike thievery or other commons sins, homosexuality is a biological hormone issue.
People are biologically disposed to homosexuality.
No one, at any point in their life, decides to be homosexual.

Issues of biology should, logically ,be blamed on the designer and creator.
Not so?
Huh?

Now he comes with the bilogical issue thrash.......

Can y'all see the bolded sentence??.....

Pleatton just exposed his foolishness by saying no one at any point in time chooses to be gay or engage in gay activities.......

These are statements that further solidifies my stance that almost atheists are either gays or must support the act of homosexuality...........

Bestiality nkor??....it wasn't learnt but a bioligical deformity abi??.....

Hope you can take a look at your reprobrate self....now I can see who has the problem here.........

Stealing isn t a bioligical anomaly,adultery isn't but homosexuality is.......

You are a waste of precious time........

musKeeto: Please stop feeding us this bullshit. You hate both homosexuality and homosexuals. You can't understand it, so you fear it. You want them to be killed for daring to violate your God's principle. That's what Christianity is about. All homosexuals must be wiped out because the act is contrary to God's plan.

And another belligerent atheist/agnostic comes to support gay activities....what is it with you guys and homosexuality??.........

I hate the act muskeeto.............and where in my post suggests that I want them to be killed??.........why you dey lie??.........the way I hate act of homosexuality is the same way I hate the act of adultery and stealing.......and I am nt afraid of gays........I just feel pity for them....that is all..........and I feel pity for you too for not knowing wether you love the act or not....

musKeeto: And how does it affect you? By what authority do you claim it's right or wrong? Is everyone a believer in your stupid dog? Must everyone worship your dog?
It's a sin.. tell that to your family members and fellow church members.. let others live..

Gays and gay acts can be practiced in the secular world..aint my business...but when it is practiced in Gods house it becomes every christians business....If you had read the OP you would have known that the topic is about professed Christ followers who suPport gay acts..........gays can't live in the house of God.....chikena.....if they are unrepentant just like an adulterer they are flung out and given to the world.......we go dash you all the gays if you want.......

And Ye§ gay acts would be your problem soon when all your kids decide to disgrace you by wanting to be gays...............shame sef no dey catch you!!!!............

musKeeto: Shows how much homosexuality irks you.. your foolishness advances a million miles to territories yet unknown.. How does atheism make one a supporter of gay acts? Please link atheism and homosexuality...

Pleatton supports it,you would die just to support the act,as for LB na gay advocate and numeroÙs atheists on nairaland.........
Atheism and the support of homosexuality as it is observed are like bread and butter.......

I just linked it for u bro.........why are you on this thread to support gays and there acts...I have never seen an atheist here on nairaland condemn the act of homosexuality...............

musKeeto: Atheism isn't about accepting God hates or detests... WHICH GOD?

Ask me again..........now this is why all atheists one way or the other are linked with homosexuality..........decide not to believe in God so that everything goes........engage in homosexuality and feel happy....sorry the OP is about persons who claim to be christians but feel been gays isn't wrong.........those persons are soon to join your likes were y'all can wallow in your foolishness and stupidity...

musKeeto: I think living too close to a pipeline is beginning to affect your brains...

Its better to live close to an exploded pipeline than to live with yeye dogs like proud unrepentant gays and stiff necked atheists like you and your ilks who can't say if the gay act is wrong or right..........shame on y'all.........

Logicboy03: Yes......unfortunately, God wont because he doesnt existd

you??live by Gods principles??..I go dance azonto if that happens...lol...




...God doesn't exist but u exist abi??

plaetton: I have often mocked the beliefs of Jehovah's witness on this forum, but I have also defended their right to have their eroneous and sinful(lol) beliefs from the likes of Frosbel.
Does that mean that I support Jehovah's Witnesses?

and what beliefs are that if I may ask that contravenes Jesus" words or that of the scriptures??....


can you mention these beliefs please.....

plaetton: [/b]

The question is silly.
Atheism has nothing to do with sexual acts. C'mon , you should be smart enough to understand that.
Human dignty without exceptions.

[b]You guys are so obsessed with finding someone to hate and ostracize that you don't seem to ever get it.

[/b]When was the last time you were in an arena cheering heterosexual co.pulation?
What is mine and your f..ng business with what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms?

The world does not revolve around what I like or don't like,as long as humans share common bonds of decency ,quality, fairness and peaceful co-existence.

the bolded is wrong....nobody is finding anybody to hate....we hate the act.....the act ia wrong...wether the act is carried out covertly or in public does not make it right.......and YES in most cases atheism makes one automatically a supporter of gay acts because that is what atheism is about,,,...accept everything that God hates or detests...

I asked you a question which u considered silly...do you support and like the act of homosexuality.....??

do you....answer.....