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mazaje: Obama did not start any unjust war, but George Bush and Cheney deserve to be in prison . . .



Killing to defend your nation from aggressors is not wrong, atleast based on our current moral dispensation . . .Killing other people for no reason but because your nation tells you to invade them and take their land is wrong based on our current moral dispensation. . .

Ahhh!!!!!!.....in other words you are saying the isrealites were told to go to war for no good reason.........they just went to war for fun.........

Now I can see........

Weren't the isrealites oppressed by other nations??.........

Was isreal ever a world power that oppressed other nations and created wars just for fun??.......

musKeeto: I have a feeling that at the end of all this, if the juju fails, the 'believers' would claim it was only a setup by atheists. I would have preferred ijawkid's brothers..

Lol..............

Ona go prefer any group ona meet o......the asawana juju full everywhere and every tribe......come and shoot......

ezme: Read the account I got from another thread above, personally I believe the Police is lying about being shot at. These people are Spartans, probably being lead by a "Spartacus" and trained in battle by a "Doctore".

Where is ijawkid? Are you sure your Egbesu/Asawanna boys are as ruthless as the Eggon group?

O men those guys them bad o.........but the egbesu boys are up to the task as well.........

mazaje: This are militia men, them go shoot nonsense commut for my body. . . .They skillfully un armed the federal agents that were sent to them and shut them . . .According to the police reports some of the bodies had bullet wounds all over them . . .They ambused the police officers . . .If i near them them go just shot nonsense commut for my body. . .

Lmao......mazaje don fear fear......I wanted to recommend those guys to you...just quietly meet them and explain to them that you wanna test run there ode-eshi juju powers to be sure if the bullet proof juju works or not......

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The truth is atheist don't even want to go to heaven.........the best thing is to leave them alone.........

mazaje: Nope, at least our morality has evolved so much now that we consider killing people for woshiping other gods an evil thing . ..We conside enslaving people an evil thing in most parts of the world . . . .If Moses were alive today and did most of what the bible says he did, he will be some where chilling in the inte rnational court of justice and be tried for war crimes . . . Killing people because god told your to do so is evil in the present society we live it. . .

Just like the way obama should be in prison abi??............

What about killing when your nation tells you to??.......

Niflheim: @Chris Czar,look at the naughty little choir boys talking tough when they know nothing of their own bible and scriptures,why did Jesus describe himself as a polygamous bridegroom?...........................Matthew 25:1-13

The parable of the five well-oiled virgins

The kingdom of heaven is like ten virgins who went to meet their bridegroom. Five had oil for their lamps and five didn't. When the bridegroom was ready for them, only the five well-oiled virgins got to have sex with him on their wedding night. He shunned the other five, saying "Get lost, ladies. I don't even know you."............................ The moral to the story is this: watch out!!! You never know when (or with whom) Jesus will come.JESUS WAS A FUCKING POLYGAMIST!!!

You are a lugubrious FOOL......

Niflheim: @Ijaw kid,my brother,you try so hard at the game of cherry picking but your fail is monumental!!!..........................................You quoted 1 Timothy 3:2 while carefully avoiding 1 Timothy 3:12 which states,and I quote,"Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well."

Try asking yourself if the rest of the congregation who aren't deacons and bishops should mis-manage their children and there house hold ??.......

Which ever way you try my bro you aint gonna get anywhere.......

And I quoted from verses 2-7.......how do you like that??.....

truthman2012: Then what are your interpretations of the following Bible passages?

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one

Oh please.....it would surprise u to know that the greek word for GOD "THeos" was not even used in that vers u quoted........

Please read this from other renditions...

New International Version
(©2011)
Beyond all question, the mystery
from which true godliness springs
is great: He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was
seen by angels, was preached
among the nations, was believed on
in the world, was taken up in glory.
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New Living Translation (©2007)
Without question, this is the great
mystery of our faith: Christ was
revealed in a human body and
vindicated by the Spirit. He was
seen by angels and announced to
the nations. He was believed in
throughout the world and taken to
heaven in glory.


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NO man hath seen GOD.....no man can see GOD and live....hope you remember.....

At john 10:30 Jesus said I and the Father are one,he didn't say I am equal with my Father or that I AM the FATHER......

And don't forget that we and Jesus are one

truthman2012: God the Father is a Spirit, which no man can see and live. God the Holy Spirit is invisible to man. God relates with man through God the Son who came in human form, which man can see.

SMH!!!!!.......

It is either we can see God or we cannot see God..........

The scriptures says NO MAN hath sEen God at Ànytime....even Jesus told us that with his own mouth.............

You guys should concede to the basic truth that God is not 3 in 1 and that Jesus is lesser than His Father..........

1 corinthians 11:3.......

Czar-Chris:
Make una take am easy dey attack me nah, haba. I never even marry sef, I just need clearification, 1 woman is more than enough trouble, can't even imagine making them 2.
But truth is whatever you guys are saying, it sounds more sentimental than convincing to the enlightened mind.
I believe its time we become more iconocaustic than taking in every info passed hook line and sinker.

Lmao.....you funny die.........

Tpfkakambo: the passage shows tht Jesus christ is God , in nature, as much as God d father, the highest class of Being ever Yet or Inspite of that He submitted Himself to d divine plan of God the Father, all parts of the Holy Trinity hav Distinct Roles they play in the cosmic agenda. And compliance is unreservedly given by all parties involved:members of the trinity.
In d human sense, individuals of high status get resentful if they hav to perform functions tht dents their dignity but Jesus , without resentment, chose to bcome man- a humbling experience. Cuz he'd b hemmed in by his humanity: no more omni presence,omni potence, omni science while in human form.
Very degradg and limitg.
For omni science, and omni potence (knowg and ability) , he had to depend on the Holy spirit And obey the holy spirit. Thts y prior to d baptism of d holy spirit,Jesus performed no miracles.
He was just a carpenter's son.
In d stong of d woman caught in adultery, He had to wait for an answer frm d Holy spirit b4 replyg
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God on His part had to Resurrect Jesus from the Dead, Jesus ddnt bring up himself.
Jesus also had to endure public floggg and humiliation and to top it up He who knew no sin had to be sin, i guess this was too much for Jesus to take mentally, but Jesus prayed thru in d garden submittg his Will to the father's will , until in the end He , Jesus will was totally submitted to the Father's will.
But there's a joyful endg.
There was a reward actually for the act of endurg the cross and humiliation.
So all parts of d Trinity partcpated in d salvation of Mankind and it entailed som uncomfortable decisions.

In real life, one way to look at it,is to envision the status of Husband and wife in a marraige.
Wife is not inferior or lower to husband , but for harmonious functiong of d family, husband makes d decision and wife submits and cooperates wth d decision instead of contestg it.
Without d harmonisation of will they will b conflict and no progress.

Why must it be Jesus who should be subservient all the time??.....why can't the Father for once be under the son??........

Is the Father too proud or what??.......why can't for once in this life Jesus send the Father on an errand??.........why??........

How is that Jesus' GOD is the Father and not vice versa??........

Make ona read scriptures complete before ona run into conclusion o......

striktlymi: https://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Holidays/Saint_Patricks_Day/Laughing_hard.gif

No be small laugh my bro.....lol...

I sent a request to that pin on your text....abi no be your pin??.....

Tpfkakambo: mr. No hell fire apologist.
Ur only basis for claimg tht the richman vs lazarus story is a parable is because it had a familiar phrase "a certain ".
But let me show u d phrasg used for u to judge.

kjv.
The good samaritan:
"a certain man ..." luke10v30.

the parable of d great banquet:
luke14v16:
"A certain man ..." KJv
the prodigal son:
luke15v11:

"a certain man..." kjv

the rchman and lazarus:
luke16v19:
"there WAS a certain rich man..."
v20:
"amd there WAS a certain beggar NAMED .."

y was there a change in phrasg?
And Y did a fictitious character in d 'parable' hav a name?

Was it Jesus character to assign fictotious names to characters in his parable to spice up d story?
Y ddnt he assign som false name to d character in d prodgl son, d chrcter in d weddg banquet, d character in d good samaritan?
Yet with d rich man and lazarus he ddnt stop at sayg beggar but mentioned his name?

So who was the lazarus if I may ask.....are all lazarus' poor people and also good enough to go to heaven??.....meanwhile did Jesus give the name of the rich man??,,,,,...we all know lazarus was a popular Jewish name so using that name still doesn't help u in your quest to prove that this story isn't a parable

You can't run away frm the glaring fact that this story was infact a parable....the introduction affirms that......and not only the introduction as I am about to expose you...

Tpfkakambo: Bring ur brains wt u. Wen u com to argue scriptures,

questions 1,2 r meanngless because d Bible is silent on his atrocity so no one can manufacture dat infrmation u seek.
It meangless cuz d answer to it doesnt change d scripture or make it more true.

Lol...now he says my questions 1 and 2 do not make sense....this is somebody that has yapping about this story not being a parable....if you can't answer my numbers 1 and 2 questions then you have no right to tell me to bring my brains with me when I argue scriptures....I think that advice should have been for u...you a hell fire proponent can't tell me what the rich man and lazarus did to deserve being in hell and heaven??.....then what are we are arguing about??.....you must answer my numbers 1 and 2 questions if not you are not fit for this argument.......try to conjure up something my bro....

Tpfkakambo: Is abraham's bossom heaven?
The answer to this question cannot b inferred frm d bible verses neither does change d story. But usg ur senses u can conjecture wat it is?
A place of rest.peace. Comfrt to a departed soul.

Lol....it can't be inferred abi??.....and what is this place of rest??....the place no get name??....

Where do departed souls go to rest abd where is thi§ place located??...

You must answer o since you've decided to use a story which many of you have misconstrued to base the dogmata of hell fire and literal eternal torment.....

Czar-Chris:
My brother may your days be long. This what is called an intellectual viable answer and not the sacrasm displayed here by tpia@.
If this is so, what then brought about this doctrine of one man, one wie?

What you should have asked yourself is::: why would bishops and deacons be urged to be husbands of one wife and then the rest of the congregation is left to amass wives like solomon??.........

It didn't occur to you that at that 1 timothy 3:2-6 it was nt only being a husband of one wife that was the requirement for men reaching out for the oFfice of oversight..many other pre-requisites were to be met.....and they are...
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2 A bishop then must be blameless, the
husband of one wife, temperate, sober-
minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to
teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not
greedy for money,[b] but gentle, not
quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his
own house well, having his children in
submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man
does not know how to rule his own house, how
will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not
a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall
into the same condemnation as the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good testimony
among those who are outside, lest he fall into
reproach and the snare of the devil
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Here is the list:::: a bishop must be

##husband of one wife

##temperate

##sober minded

## must be of good behaviour

## not coveteous

##not a drunkard

##not be violent

##must be gentle

##must be one who presides over his household in a fine manner


Would it be right for me to say that since these requirements are listed out for bishops and deacons then the rest members of the church should be the antithesis of those qualities listed??.........

You cunningly singled out just ""being a husband of one wife"" and discarded the rest...

Should other members of the church be drunkards,thieves,lovers of money,not presiding over there house hold,belligerent,fighters etc??......

This is just a few from the thousands of statements confirming Jesus as the only way.........
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This is an excerpt from the watchtower of 2010 8/15 13-14 paragraphs 7

The last part of paragraphs 7 reads

"YES,all who are alive and who are exercising faith in Jesus and the ransom when this system reaches its end will escape the consequences of Gods final day of wrath".....



Watchtower 2000 6/1 11 paragraphs 6

The basis for salvation-The ransom

6..Everlasting salvation is possible only through Christs ransom sacrifice.
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Itsfacts: you cant argue with what I said. you still haven't addressed my previous post I wont talk about the un-righteous one because I never claimed so. what I said earlier is on your publication. now they take out Jesus as the mediator and put the organization in his place

survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovahs universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"

where is Jesus in that statement? are you going to cater some excuse again? can you see the clear blasphemy? I don't know how you will get around this. Jesus clearly states come to me have faith in me now watchtower said you salvation depends on your faith in their organization.

"But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14


"But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22

"They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovahs organization is essential to their salvation." Kingdom Ministry 1990 Nov p.1


all the quotes no one states Jesus is essential for salvation. all they do was insert the organization and relegate Jesus

Lol......
Hmmmm.........and I know you dodged all the quotes in all the publications that says that it is only through Jesus that we can gain eternal life..........

Now mr man you are misunderstanding the bolded.......

Let's take a strole back to the first century...........

When paul said that christians should be his followers just as he is of Jesus what did he mean??......

Mind your quotes do not in any way negate the fact of christianity that the only way is thru Jesus.......the organization of JW's is just a tool my bro....

Would you like it if I quote thousands of statements that affirms that Jesus is the only way to Jehovah and to eternal life??....

Why on earth do you think we observe the memorial??.......

Please stop misunderstanding statements to misconstrue the true intents of them..........

Would you be ready if I quote from the watchtower magazines and all the books that the only way to eternal life is through Jesus Christ??............

Itsfacts: Yes they say only them preach house to house and I quote
"Do you know of anyone else who preaches about God's Kingdom from house to house throughout the world?" Does God Care? (2001) p.30 this statement can you tell me what it means? notice the word else there.

How doe§ the above question now mean that the JW's do not take into cognizance that there are televangelists and that sometimes other denominations go out to preach??....I thought you would have brought out a statement that clearly says ONLY the JW's preach.......wasn't that what you were yapping about??......
And please you only wrote 2001 page 30....can you please write the month and the publication in this was taken from??....

Itsfacts: Yes they teach only them will be saved and I quote
"During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovahs people are making known Gods righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovahs universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"

I thought I would have seen words like "SOLELY", ONLY..........can you try to connect what you quoted with the ressurection of the unrighteous??......please do...........

Itsfacts: How about when you preach the resurrection of both righteous an unrighteous
that is not the koko here the koko is the destruction of non witness or only witness will survive. my quote above is a proof.

And can you tell me why §omething as importaÑt as the ressu®ection of the un®ighteous
should not also be the koko in this discussion....??........I want you to tell me what the JW's believe about it and connect it to your above misconstured claim....


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Itsfacts: I don't even what to go into child molestation because it is the worst. if you really want someone to repent why cover up for him for the benefit of the image of the watchtower. did you know how the Governing body view elders who are found to be a molester? maybe I should make another post about that and give you news coverage of the whole situation.

Please how have we covered up sin to save watchtowers image??...what has happened to the disfellowshipping of wrongdoers who have been confirmed as one and also unrepentant??..............you should know the JW's don't joke with cases of child molestation,,,they never treat it with kid gloves.....

And when you say watchtower what do you mean??....they are JEhovahs witnesses and not watchtower...watchtower is the name of one of there publications......

musKeeto: Cool story.

Finally one atheist convert. And it wasn't a nairaland experience.

Muskeeto see ona mate dey reconvert o............

Itsfacts: but I point out the lies of only them don't participate in war or politically neutral and also only them do door to door preaching. then quickly you change how frequently other did not participate or preach door to door!! which makes it clear the competition that you are presenting.

there are better news like there was bus accident two of our members lost their lives but thank jahovah others were saved... what i say is what I saw in the article. people do things indirectly and one thing might have different factual meaning so am not just trying to say they promote but it is what it is.

it is my opinion yes but something gave me that opinion and anyone who looks into the matter will understand it. I have seen JW attack churches for advertising programs on TV. to my grasp JW don't advertise things on tv. they try to be different. they try not to call their selves Christians they try not to call their KingDom hall church they always try to be different and they always generalize when a person do something in a church. funny thing is after the roman catholic church about gay and child abuse in church they are next. and what makes matters worst is that they hide such acts from the congregation and dis-fellowship victims who go to the police. those kind of scenario never makes it to their magazine but the one other churches like catholic church do makes it to their magazine.

I am saying this because I see double standard all the time. I have watched you attack many religious group so you should be able to see your being in the same fry pan. and this is not because of you or JW. I am not going to side any where I just speak things as I see it. if it is winners chapel I speak RCCG I speak. this is one case I found disturbing that is why you see it here.

in the facebook comment you see how no sympathy for the people who lost love ones or their lives was shown. all the JW commenting was annoying the one who tries to correct them they call him apostate!!! aside that you people find delight in the teaching of how God will[b]destroy every non JW and in Armageddon[/b] and I think that is the reason they don't show it. they don't care if someone is kind or wicked or a murderer. all they know is he is not a JW so no sympathy should be shown.

But If u had settled down to listen you would have known that none of the publications of JW's claim that JW's are the only ones who preach.... .......

What is said is that no other organization has carried out on a large scale the door to door preaching campaign as do the JW's..........

And you do know the bolded up there is a big lie.....please itsfact I would appreciate it if you aint biased as well.......how can you make the bolded claim about the JW's??......this is outrageous you know..........

How can you say we teach that all non-JW's would die at armageddon...??....

How about when we preach about the ressurection of both the righteous and the un-righteous??..........

Hope u hear yourself??

A freind just mentioned how much we remain neutral to wars and remain outstanding by not even joining the military and never support wars either passively or actively......

Hope you see how far the Jw's can remain neutral when it comes to warfare??.....

The publications of JWs conscientiously have made statements that do not suggest that we are the only organization who remain nuetral to wars.....

It is even historians and some clergies of other religions who have made statements to espouse our stand......

What is been emphasized on is that we would continue to be known as persons and as a group who would never touch anything war as far this world is concerned.......

And what did I hear you say about child molesters??

I hope you are not saying that if they are unrepentant they shouldn't be disfellowshipped......??....

Hope you know we don't joke with wrongdoings and wrongdoers when they are known??......

itsfact....it is your own opinion if you feel witnesses use there live experiences totrick people into being JW's...that is your opinion.....but what you should avoid is saying it is a fact....the year book experiences like i told you is mainly for fellow witnesses to upbuild them and not a tool for decieving people outside the organization...if relatives of the victim say that it was Jehovahs hand that indeed saved the victim in question how does that now amount to a trick by the JW's..infact experiences like this brings glory to GOD....and if we consider the facts it is true that his attending meetings was what saved him..wether we like it or not its just the truth...this experience is not even a means to tell people that when u attend meetings then all your problems are gone and that you would never get involved in tragedy...NO....it only butresses d fact that we should not forsake d gathering of ourselves and that in infinitessimal ways it can be a protectionFINISH...trying to build a mountain out of this little experience is what bothers me...it is not like the experience was stage managed or that or it didnt even happen at all neither was the story concocted......

so i dont know why u have to make claims that the JWs used the DANA tragedy to promote there organization..that is wrong my bro...totally wrong....the many who become JW do not become witnesses as a result of personal experiences of other witnesses,rather it is through a thorough bible study discussion....

and once again we arent in a competition....no one is in a competition with anybody....thats another false assertion....the JWs arent a desperate group of christians....i didnt even have to make any statement about there preaching work...the many who are non witnesses would attest to the facts being said here about preaching....

it is known that your aim of opening this thread is to malign the JWs and term them as liars and peddlers of personal experiences just to gain cheap publicity and to gather customers.....

when youre done with that i guess you would be satisfied...uh??...

Itsfacts: now you put strict on it ni? what part of they don't get involved do you not grasp? why use English words like strict trying to differentiate your JW?

then you bring competition again to the matter? they preach in all the lands they are found don't if they do it once a week or 2 weeks or once a month they go out for preaching that is the koko. not everywhere there are some places you wont find JW some well know countries big countries or by simplifying they don't have Kingdom Hall in those place.

your idea of competition just show the fact of boasting and how you people use it to promote your self however it is not only we preach don't go to war anymore it is now who is strict in not going to war like us or who go to preach frequently like us.

Nobody is in a competition..once again you are forcing your thoughts on the actions of the JW's.........

Experiences are related you say it is been done to promote the organization::: so that what would happen??........customers would come abi??........innocent persons gave there experience of there survival of a tragic situation and all you could do is paint them black..........

And as regards wars and politics consistency should be the watch word.........

What ever a christian is on about being consistent and being steadfast is what matters....that is why it is emphasized that he that endures to the end is the one that would be saved.......

Like I have said and if you have proof to dispute it you can.....the JW's are the one christian group which have carried out the door to door preaching campaign like no other group in recent times.......is it a lie??........

There is no need for boasting..its just what it is..........

Comparisons are not for boasting they are for bringing out facts......

Like I said wait for year books to come so that you would read other stories........or you could keep an eye on the watchtower to read d experiences (good or bad) of others........

Coming here to taint the name of the JW's alluding that there experiences are a way of promoting the organization to gain customers is just a cheap lie.........

Jehovahs witnesses promote only Gods kingdom and are willing to die doing that..........

Tpfkakambo: From your logic "once Jesus used the words "there was a certain man" " it was a parable?
What wen Jesus was talking of a man , who existed yet didnt want to mention the man's name what word would he use?
"a certain man"
infact the word "certain" pertains to certainty.
As for you logic,look at the points i proposed...
What was the moral story conveyed in the Richman and lazarus story viz a vis other parables ...
None!! .
The bible justs states that story and ends there..
You are trying to shoe horn scriptures to fit your logic.
Jesus could have used the words , a particular man, a certain man, there was once a man,
to refer to the man in the story of lazarus and the rich man.

I dont want to rehash my old arguments keep an open mind.
Jesus parable either illustrate the operations of the Kingdom.
The true character of a kingdom character - love (parable of the good samaritan), repentance (the prodigal son),
end of days(wheat and tares), salvation (the wedding banquet,the ten virgins),
etc.
What kingdom concept was the story of the rich man and lazarus conveying
and Y would Jesus use the idea of eternal death to convey it?
In all his other parable simplicity was the key, using easily understood illustrations,
what was so complex in the moral (kingdom concept) Jesus was illustrating with the
parable of the rich man and lazarus that He couldnt find an easier fit?

wake up from your delusion.
Real life characters are not necessary to potray a parable,
But Jesus mentioned abraham and Abraham spoke to the rich man!!!
so much for a parable. you wish it were a parable.

Ahhh I sÉe.....just up above the story of the rich man and lazarus which is the first verse of luke 16 the parable had its introductory part as ""a certain man" and immediately after that you expect me to read the story of the rich and lazarus which had the same begiNning and then discard it as a parable??....

NO WAY my bro...it doesn't work that way....and so I ask should I discarÐ the stories of the prodigal son and the rest that had the same introductory pattern as parables??..........the reason why you're on about this story being a real life story is because you have fixed your thoughts on just wicked persons suffering in Hell and nothing else....

Now may I ask you mr hell fire apologist :::....

1..Was the rich man a wicked man to deserve been burnt up in Hell??......

2...What did lazarus do to deserve being in heaven??...

3...Besides was lazarus in heaven??....

More questions are coming but this would do.....

Since you're quick to say that this story isn't a parable then be ready to give full explanation of it.......

Itsfacts: I presented answers to your claim and you are still asking if the remain neutral to politics and war worldwide. dont say it is momentary or you are shocked to see that many religious groups dont go to war? catholic is universal roman catholic is different. because you read catholic peace moment means they you know about them? why are you looking for loop holes?

i aint shocked my bro.....i knew what i meant when i said the witnesses are the one christian group widely known worldwide for there strict consistent neutrality as to wars and politics,,,,........

Itsfacts: if i present the information you will start looking for loop holes again. anyway i mention Mormons.
church of christ
assembly of God
etc. they all preach door to door and other preach in some form or the other like standing in market place etc. world wide many churches are reaching people even church like redeemed so you guys should not use that to brag and promote also

and you would want to argue that these organizations carry out a worlwide door to door preaching campaign as much as do the witnesses??....

even you know better......out of 5 persons who would knock at your door claiming to preach the goodnews of Gods kingdom how many are JW's and those that arent ....??you do the maths....

mind you i have not said i dont see other denominations go out door to door...

even in movies people crack jokes when they hear knocks on there doors saying ::it might be the Jehovahs Witnesses::....


which organization engages in this preaching work consistently worldwide even in the severest of situations??....

nicechizyy: Pls anyone wit d shl test shld pls 4ward 2 me 2ru nicechizyy@yahoo.com. God bles u all

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just sent you something you would love....

musKeeto:
Ik, na you be this? Abi, holy spirit don massage ur emotions?

lol..... ,,,,...my bro wetin you want make i for talk before??....

you think say as everybody dey struggle for job we go get time think who be atheist or who wey no be atheist....

Itsfacts: So what prayers? was she praying that Jahovah should save her from the plane? How come it is the man that is saying her Jahovah answers prayer? what made him say that? did she pray for him?


Moravians (one of the very first Protestant religions dating back to the 1500's)
Brethern (Dunkards) groups, including
Church of the Brethren
Anabaptist groups, including
Mennonites (16th century group numbering 1.5 million)
Hutterites
Schwenkfelders
Bruderhof Communities
Amish (numbering approximately 200,000)
Society of Friends (Quakers)
Doukhobors - 17th century breakaway from Russian Orthodox
Molokans - 17th century breakaway from Russian Orthodox
Some Pentecostal groups such as the Pentecostal Charismatic Peace Fellowship
Seven Day Adventists
Community of Christ
Christadelphians
Worldwide Church of God
Pax Christi - A Catholic peace movement
Fellowship of Reconciliation - A group formed in 1914 to unite pacifists regardless of denomination. All major religious denominations have affiliated associations including
Anglican Pacifist Fellowship
Methodist Peace Fellowship
Baptist Peace Fellowship
Orthodox Peace Fellowship
Lutheran Peace Fellowship
Presbyterian Peace Fellowship

all this groups dont participate in war. below are statements from your society

The Watchtower is quick to point the finger at other religions for their involvement in war, labelling their followers as "children of the Devil slaughtering their spiritual brothers" (Awake! 1985 Dec 22 p.10). Witnesses are proclaimed as unique, the only loving religion on earth and the only one abstaining from particpation in warfare.

"In our century, which religion has obeyed this law of love? Surely not the religions of Christendom, for they have slaughtered one another by the tens of millions in two world wars and other conflicts. Jehovah's servants are unique in obeying the rule spoken by Peter and other apostles to a high court: "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." (Acts 5:29)" Watchtower 1990 Feb 1 p.22

i am only pointing out that people are persecuted too soon they will say only them are being persecuted like the say only them go door to door to preach. it is not which has carried out greatest preaching campaign are you not getting your fact from only one source? when you stay looking into other source or maybe remove the watchtower branded glasses and tin foil hat you are using you will see.

And do these organizations remain neutral as to wars and politics world wide??......

We are not talking about a momentary support for peace......is these what these organizations are and are they ready to risk there lives to maintain strict neutrality??..........

Is the catholic peace movement you mentioned and all other affiliates not still members of there mother churches??...........

Can we say the catholic peace movement isn't part of the same catholic that its members would support wars or even engage in them in there various countries??........

Do the witnesses have a peace movement group or arm that opposes wars while the main organization engages in it??......

Are we talking about pacifist peace arms that are running as affiliates or are we talking about a whole organization consistently keeping and upholding strict neutrality as to wars and politics and are ready to die not engaging in the forgoing??......

Talkin about the preachn work can you please tell me which organization has carried out a world preaching house to house campaign as the JW's??......please I would like to know.......

Itsfacts: this looks no less than promotion to me

and example of the advert is this statement! “My relatives who had been opposed to my being a Witness have changed their
minds. One of them told me: ‘Your Jehovah answers prayers" "Hold on to your God because he helps you.’ Another person said: ‘Whatever you have been doing to serve God, continue to do it whole-souled.’ We have truly seen Jehovah’s hand in our case. I am very happy.”

What is wrong in the above experience??.....
Is it wrong that Jehovah answers prayers if I may ask??.....what should the woman have said??...that Jah doesn't answer prayers??.....

Itsfacts: Please be informed if they stand neutral or dont engage i have no issues. but the propaganda that they make concerning that is what am about. Why make a statement like only JW dont go to war!!!!! we all know its not true and utter lie. statements like that are only use to promote and paint others with their propaganda.

Where is it said that only JW don't go to war??........what you should have said is that JW's are virtually the one christian group who are neutral to wars and politics and are ready to die with there neutrality...remember that there sole reason for neutrality is because of Jesus' command and not for some other personal reasons......if you have seen any christian group that has consistently been neutral to the above please kindly inform me.......I am ready to learn......

Itsfacts: could you kindly direct me to the pages you are talking about? so we could clear your stance. let us see how they present that tragic events your are talking about. the persecution and more.

I thought you had read all the year books from 1970 till date before coming out to make this bold claims..........since you are good at reading year books kindly go start from the 1970 year book and read them till the one of 2012........

Itsfacts: Christians die in the northern part of our country what about places like iraq that you cant find JW operating? Christians die there also.

How does that stop the JW's from publishing the tragic events that befall there fellow brothers worldwide.....and who ever said that tragic events or effects of terrorism do not befall other persons who are not JW's??..........

Itsfacts: only us go door to door to preach is another lie. Mormons do it. other Christians do it. you need to understand why am saying JW use things like this to promote the organization. like many church organize fake testimonies is what just happened concerning the way she speaks about her neighbor who oppose her being a witness.

And which organization has carried out The greatest preaching campaign consistently ever??...........when people knock on your door to preach which group would most come to your mind??......the JW's , the mormons or??.....

It is a basic fact that JW's top the chart when it comes to the house to house preaching work.......

You doubt that??........

And your thoughts on the experiences of these innocent persons being used to promote the organization is just your thought........

These experiences are a tool to encourage fellow christians as well as bring praises and honor to Jah......

alexleo: My dear this agents of satan are twisting the bible. They stu.pidly quote the scriptures and give it satanic interpretation. See how one of their agents said that Elijah didn't actually ascend into heaven just because the place I quoted destroyed his evil plan of trying to manipulate the scripture he quoted to drive his devilish teaching. He explained the heaven Elijah was taken to as just the sky where plane and birds fly. Very deperate and shameless people. Heaven has suddenly had several interpretations same way they interpreted hell because their idiotic teaching must be propagated. Hopeless beings.

Please alex....when Jesus said no " NO man has ascended into heaven" was he on shekpe??....

Was Jesus smoking marijuana when he made that confirmatory statement about who was in heaven and who wasn't ??.......or is it that when Jesus was descending or was in heaven elijah sneaked in without his notice??.....

Please don't quickly term the comments of people as rubbish when you have not considered all the facts.......

Itsfacts: you know you guys always use "we are being prosecuted" to promote the organization. especially the one in WW2 how the claim that only them was the religion who did not fight or was neutral. if a Jahovah's witness lost his life cause of someone else like maybe like how other Christians are dying world wide they will quickly put it in the book or use it to promote. What i am saying they should have put the people who died in car accident because of assembly world wide. not the Dana air crash

Then why don't you wait for subsequent year books before you run into conclusions that aren't founded??..........and if the JW's were persecuted for there neutral stand as to wars and even dying for keeping there integrity,what is wrong in publishing such experiences to strenghten the faith of many in other parts of the world who might in the future face such similar test of faith??...........when ever paul was persecuted his experience was related to the brothers and sisters to bolster there faith in keeping there integrity

These various happenings that occur amongst JW's take time before they are confirmed and compiled for publishing..........

Some of the experiences you read in the year books might not have happened that particular year of its being published or even the previous year....some experiences go as far back as the 1990's.........some experiences that occured last year can come up in future year books.....more to that these experiences can be flashed in the watchtower magazines......so don't expect that all experiences(bad and good) must be in the year book....


And you make the mistake when you use the word ""promote""......you make it sound like the witnesses are into some kind of money making business and so they need to publish these experiences just to gather customers..........

With or without these experiences you knw the JW's would be at peoples doors to proclaim the coming of Gods kingdom(which is the focal point of there ministry and not propagating stories just for advertisement sake with the intent of gathering customers) and so the year book does nothing but encourage fellow believers...it also keeps JW's abreast with the happenings of there fellow brothers around the world ,good or bad...............

You want to tell me you haven't read experiences of JW's who had to cope with debilatating illnesses that still kept on with the preachn work,some of them even dying??......these experiences only spur the JW's on in this troublesome times to never give up in the preaching work.....




Witnesses are well aware that disasters must strike and that we aren't immune.....

Both good and sad stories all add up to keep us going,,....

Thank you.....

Itsfacts: I think you didn't read my post then...

what they think of people sorrow are in the facebook post. you should read what i post and not make blind arguments. and the question also goes why dont they put the bus tragedy in the US that 2 members died in the year book? when tragedy like this happen and they boast how God save his people cause they were preaching and others who died they show no sorrow instead use the tragedy to promote why it is good to be a witness or always do field service is shocking... unless you remove your tin foil hat you will not see the answers to your question in the original post. like one of the facebook comment states that our meeting are surely protective!!! tell me how is that not promoting the jahovahs witness with the tragedy of other people?

What about the many other experiences in previous year books that shows the tragic end of most or some JW's worldwide....what about experiences of JW's who have lost there lives in intense persecution,sicknesses etc and still kept there integrity....

Why don't you wait for subsequent year books to release the stories of other Witnesses??...is the 2013 year book the first and the last Year book to be released??....

And please don't misconstrue those real life storied of JW's to mean that the witnesses are seeking for customers ........

These stories are out there to encourage fellow JW's to keep there faith going in this dying world..............

I don't see how the year book for 2013 has now turned into a tool for dragging customers to the kingdom hall......

Going out for preaching is a priority to the JW's with or without disasters or calamity.............

The year book through out its history has always contained both sad and good news of the Witnesses worldwide.........all to encourage fellow witnesses.......

I don't know how that has become your problem so that you malign the JW's...

Just simply come back and see for yourself if Nigerians are tolerant or intolerant towards atheism/atheist...........

We have so much problems here,minding if you are atheist or not would nt even mean anything.........

Just come and carry on with your life.......