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Tpfkakambo: dnt show ur ignorance in a place like ths.
If u dnt know wat revelation means consult a good dictionary.


The bolded is an old thoroughly flogged issue go bck thru ths thread and read thru.

The rests r ur personal opinion.
Ezekiel in d valley of dry bones remember it was his Spirit tht was taken into the spirit realm.
The book of ezekiel is full of this incidence.

Lol.....we Àll know what revelation is my bro......what you haven't understood is that daniel,isaiah,ezekieljohn,david etc all had one thing in common...they were given revelations through visions.....they were all under inspiration........

And I stand here to see you open just one verse that says man is a spirit..........

John 4:24 tells us God is a spirit.....

Hebrews tells us that all angels are spirits......please open a scripture that says man is a spirit and then we can all go to sleep.....

Tpfkakambo: u wish.
Or ar u tryg to tell me wat d bible says?
Or u ar deliberately stayg blind?
Sorry bro. I hv no time 2 revisit ths old debate.
Hidg ur head in a bcket of sand doesnt prove there's no sun.
The verse says "i was in d spirit and heard (while in d spirit)"
and u come here tellg me John saw a vision!
In acts chpter 10v3: cornelius had a vision..the wrd used there is vision.
Wen peter was prayg v10 he "fell into a trance"..
God knows wat a vision is so ur interpretation is unnecessary.
In revelations John didnt hve a vision but was caught uo into d spirit realm.
Continue deludg urself. Or teach God wat he meant..

Lol......don't act like a child my bro......it is clear that john received a revelation from the angel Jesus sent and not john time travelling out of his body to literally experience the visions he saw.........john being in the spirit simply means he was under inspiration........

if prophets who had received similar revelations as did john received them through visions what should make johns case different??....

Please read this isaiahs prophecy and tell me if it was an out of body experience or just a vision....

Isaiah 6:1-3
King James Version (KJV)
6 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also
the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted
up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had
six wings; with twain he covered his face, and
with twain he covered his feet, and with twain
he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy,
holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole
earth is full of his glory.


Is this not a similar vision seen by john in revelation??...........

Always remember that all the prophets of God were inspired(in the spirit) when they penned down prophecies .......

Tpfkakambo: revelation means tht which is revealed. Not Vision.
The bible is an exact book. Wen peter had a vision, it says he was in a trance and saw a spread from heaven with all kinds of animals on it.
Wen it is a dream, like in d case of d two josephs , father of jesus,and joseph in egypt it says so.
Stop dodgg or twsg d truth.
It says man is a spirit, then it says john was in d spirit?
And heard, in the spirit ...
Stephen while being stoned had a vision, d bible ddnt say he was in d spirit.
Elisha's servant had his Spiritual eyes opened thts y he cud see the horses and chariots of fire around him.
Again debunkg ur lies tht man is just flesh. D spirit man has eyes, ears hands etc and can operate in d spirit realm.

The bolded has no place in the scriptures....please open a verse in the bible that says man is a spirit....please.......

I just wonder how you want to try to seperate vision from revelation in this discussion......through what means did john receive the revelations he was given??.......

So many of the revelations john received were analogous with the ones received by daniel if not the same.....how is it that daniel received revelations through visions but John had to move out of his body to time travel.......??......

My brother John received visions jare.....

All of Gods servants who received visions were all in the spirit.......which ofcourse doesn't mean they had out of body experience....

Tpfkakambo: rev1vs10.
John was IN THE SPIRIT... U want to interprete it in d way u interprete ur other scriptures about hell?
" He was In the Spirit and Heard behind him a great voice.."

the wrd there is "in d spirit, " not had a vision.
If John cud be taken into d spirit realm and talk with other spirit beings as God willed so can other ppl in this day. And God never changes He is still shwg ppl the spirit realm.
Man is a spirit being.john ddnt hear or see or operate in the spirit wth his physcl body.
But with his spirit body.

He was in the spirit during??.....

Let's completely read the revelation 1:10....
_____________________________
Revelation 1:10
New International Version
(©2011)
On the Lord's Day I was in the
Spirit, and I heard behind me a
loud voice like a trumpet,
_____________________________
How is it possible that john had an out of body experience into the lords day??........all john received according to the revelations 1;1 we've read were purely visions or revelations of things to come......servants of God do not time travel....they just receive visions bro....

And man is not a spirit being.....man is a mortal fleshy being.......all spirit beings live in heaven........

Tpfkakambo: u wish- just like atheists wish evolution created life.
Yet ppl in d bible had outa body experience..
If it's witchcraft, then y how come they still end up corroboratg d scriptures!
For ur infrmation d writer of d book of revelation had an out of body..

John received visions and not an out of body experience....

Revelation 1:1.....

New International Version
(©2011)
The revelation from Jesus Christ,
which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take
place. He made it known by
sending his angel to his servant
John,

Tpfkakambo: u hav u stand on d issue but want support fr ur stand frm d wrd.
What makes d story a parable?
Pls xplain.

I have purely supported it from the word that it is a parable but you have blatantly denied d fact presented....the introductory part is just enough reason.....you want more??....

Tpfkakambo: How wud Jesus tell a tru event wtout gvg to much personal details like d name of d indvduals and how wud ths differ frm a parable? Pls answer.

Do you wanna know the difference between true life events and that of parables??.....

Tpfkakambo: If the story is a parable, wat is d moral?
And y wud Jesus use spiritual places d hearers arent familiar wth instead of of d familiar symbols they were all familiar wth in their everyday lives and wch Jesus faithfully used to relay gospel truths previously.

And what are these spiritual places that the hearers weren't familiar with and the ones you think they were familiar with?.......can I hear you mention them??

And I would give the morals of the story when once we have concluded that the story is a parable....

Tpfkakambo: Y wud jesus tell a lie? He said there was a certain man NAMED LAZARUS . A fctitious chrcter needs no name. And a name adds no benefit to d moral of d story? Y wud Jesus go to extra lent to name d beggar?

And Jesus didn't go the fullest lenght to mention the name of the riÇh man so that we don't have to argue here??....and were all lazarus' beggars so that we can agree that the beggar wasn't a fictitious character??....

Tpfkakambo: How does d sin d rchman commited chnge d story wthr d reader knows of it or not?
D importnt thng is tht the story occured. Accordg to d bible. How does deviatg to ths side issue validate the authntcty of d story?

Oh it does have a bearing bro on our discussion anÐ should change the story.......if one can't ascertain the deeds of the rich man and lazarus why should one link this story to the teaching of hell fire and heaven??.....

If the story occured what were the deeds of lazarus and the rich man respectively....??....you better answer....

Tpfkakambo: I hve more questions but answer ths.

Rember d core question is wat makes ths story a parable hence figuratve..

1...The introductory part..
2...The 2 characters involved have done neither something nor nothing to deserve being in Hellfire and heaven respectively......
3...Abraham is not in heaven nor alive in some abode......
4...All lazarus' weren't beggars back then,so we don't know which lazarus Jesus was referring to(that's if you've chosen to cling to the fact that the beggars name was mentioned and so the story must have happened) ..
5...The rich mans name wasn't mentioned....mentioning the beggars name and leaving out the rich mans name shows the story never happened.....

Delafruita: get ready to go to hell to be poked with forks by demons

mazaje: E be like say this wuna Yahweh na Ijaw man ohh. . .Ijaw poeople sabi sell one piece of land to 10 different people. . .them dey even sell river to people sef. . .

Who told you that the canaanite gods didn't also give them the land?. . .

...no be ijaw people dey play that wayo o.....na ikwerre people sabi do that thing............ijaw people no like land sef.....we good die........

If you have the record of the canaanite gods making a promise to give the canaanites a land Yahweh had promised his own people,please show me.........show me o....even if na lie lie document sef....

striktlymi: Morning Mystic,

I have never prayed in my local dialect...can't speak it

Strikt....so you follow for this language wahala too??............

mazaje: According to the story, shebi they talk say them kill them all?. . . .No be their god say make them go steal land? he is all powerful and can do all things but he can not build a land for his people , na to dey tell them say make them go steal other people land. . .

You don forget sat rahab and her household no follow for the all??.............God who isn't genocidal provided a means of escape for those who chose to obey His words.....

That land belonged to the isrealites by virtue of the fact that Yahweh had promised them and so stealing isn't the word to use to decsribe the action the isrealites took.....it is taking what rightly belongs to them...........the canaanites them too do strong head like ikwerre people....lol.....

Why can't atheists and confused ones alike just try to understand that when it is said God forgets it does not mean he runs short of memory or suddenly develops amnesia and so can't actually remember the sins one has committed.......

benalvino: the why cant.... U ask, you find the answer in what I have posted already. Please also note that YHWH is Greek and YESHUA is Hebrew... there is a pattern to how things are translated. you cant just say because it is like this in the language so you will apply same logic to another language... the formula you use to translate words from german to English will always be different from what you to translate Spanish to English.

Chei.......and that pattern didn't affect Jesus and Joshua to make them stark wrong but only affected Jehovah??.......

Please let all of us go back and start readn the hebrew manuscript and abandon what ever english translations we have.......

Benalvino....so please mr hebrew renderer,can you please translate these names to the original hebrew patterns??

Jehu,Jehoshaphat,Jeremiah,Jehozadak,Jemimah,Jerusalem,Jesse, etc.....




Another question is why direct this thread to only the JW's and not the vast majority of other persons using the name Jehovah too??.......

benalvino: Well for what I know they said YAHWEH is correct but people are more familiar with Jehovah that is why they use it(watchtower).
the letter "J" doesn't even exist in Hebrew, Greek, Latin. Further, the English language did not have a letter "J" before about 1500 AD. For example, the very first edition of the KJV printed in 1611 AD, contained no "J". Not even one! Instead the letter "I" is used for Jew, Jesus, Joshua, Joanna, John AND the person pronoun "I". Instead these words were written in 1611 AD as, Iew, Iesus, Ioshua, Ioanna, Iohn. now you know you cant just start substituting Y to J.

And like I have said the Watchtower is not even against the use of Yahweh.......the watchtower uses Yahweh too......

All I smell is unnecessary bile for the JW's on this thread.......

If one can call/ pronounce Yehshua as Jesus and Joshua why accuse the JW's and the rest of christianity if they call Yahweh in the english form Jehovah.??.........

Why.......

If" I" which is greek is used for" Y" why can't "J" which is english be used??.......

E be like ona want make all of us go begin use the hebrew manuscript again......

And for that itsfact it is high time I see the bible he is using....wether it is the original hebrew manuscript or a bible translated in english...

Itsfacts: "Jehovah" cannot be the name of God since neither Hebrew, Greek, Latin don't even have a letter "J" and English did not have the letter J before about 1500 AD?

The name Jesus, John, Joanna, Jew all started in the Greek with the letter "I", not J.

As the introduction to the New American Standard confirms, the proper way of spelling YHWH in the English language would be Yahweh, not Jehovah.

Dr. George Howard, who is quoted as proof that Matthew was written in Hebrew also said the proper pronunciation of YHWH was "YaHWeH" and that this is the accepted one by the vast majority of scholars.
Jehovah was popularized by a catholic monk who lived in the 12th century AD. In fact "Jehovah" was never used before this!

The form "Jehovah" results from reading the consonants of the Tetragrammaton with the vowels of the surrogate word Adonai. The dissemination of this form is usually traced to Petrus Galatinus, confessor to Pope Leo X, who in 1518 a.d. transliterated the four Hebrew letters with the Latin letters jhvh together with the vowels of Adonai, producing the artificial form "Jehovah." (This confused usage may, however, have begun as early as 1100 a.d.; note KB, 369). While the hybrid form Jehovah has met much resistance, and is universally regarded as an ungrammatical aberration, it nonetheless passed from Latin into English and other European languages and has been hallowed by usage in hymns and the ASV; it is used only a few times in KJV and not at all in RSV. (Anchor Bible Dictionary, YAHWEH)

Take a look at the obvious error of spelling it Jehovah as Jehovah's Witnesses demand it. We will not quibble with the three vowel guesses, but two of the four consonants are wrong! What a silly blind organization the Watchtower is.
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Lol....Yes the organization is silly and blind...agreed!!!.....so can I ask you how you pronounce Jesus??.........

How have you been pronouncing Jehoshaphat,Jehu, etc??.......

Have this at the back of your hating mind that the JW's neither disagree with the Use of Yahweh.........

Hope you know some persons pronounce it as Yahawahah......??....

I mentioned some other ways in my first post how that tetragrammaton is been pronounced and argued even amongst Jewish scholars but you chose to shut your big eyes to it all to smite the JW's abi??........


Now who the hell told you Yahweh is the exact exclusive pronounciation for the tetragrammaton??.........

Who??.....

No make me curse you o.......

shdemidemi: My brother, there is no point for argument, check the scriptures properly to see for yourself. Man is one but these three entities makes up a full man, the only visible part of man is the body and the spirit part is invisible.

answer my questions bro....are these 3 parts making up man seperate individuals?....


the scriptures tells me man is a mortal soul and not a spirit....



and those scriptures u quoted up there to support your tripartite position has been grossly misconstrued..

benalvino: No it doesn't... Yeshua = Jesus, YHWH = YAHWEH. YHWH != jehovah

lol....

but you had earlier said Yeshua=Jesus=Joshua=Iesous..abi??

why cant Yahweh=Jehovah??...

my brother you no get issue abeg.....

Jesus staRTS WITH THE letter Y in hebrew and so does The almighty Gods name....why accept Jesus or Joshua that starts with J for Yeshua but choose to discard Jehovah for Yahweh??.....why??....

abi no be letters and english we dey talk again?...

abi him wan deliver him dada??....

benalvino: [b]You can call him yeshua or Jesus... Both are same thing... Yeshua is the Hebrew name for the Lord. It means "Yahweh [the Lord] is Salvation." The English spelling of Yeshua is “Joshua.” However, when translated from Hebrew into the Greek language, the name Yeshua becomes Iēsous. The English spelling for Iēsous is “Jesus.”

[/b]Basically, what this means is Joshua and Jesus are the same name. One is translated from Hebrew into English, the other from Greek into English. It is also interesting to note, the names "Joshua" and "Isaiah" are essentially the same names as Yeshua in Hebrew. They mean "Savior" and "the salvation of the Lord."
ijawkid The Bible doesn't give preeminence to one language (or translation) over another. We are not commanded to call upon the name of the Lord in Hebrew only. Acts 2:21 says, "But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." God knows who calls upon his name, whether they do so in English, Portuguese, Spanish, or Hebrew. He is still the same Lord and Savior.

But the translation of YHWH to JEHOVAH in English is wrong.

p.s not making big deal bout it just passing info

your information about the name Jesus and how it has indeed evolved over time in different languages contradicts your stance on the name JEHOVAH in the english form....

my point is this thread shouldnt have been created in the first place and directed straight at the JW's.......

benalvino: Did U scim through my original post? Or are you just putting words into my mouth?

Am saying translating YHWH to Jehovah is wrong... I did not say YAHWEH is wrong in English I only say Jehovah is wrong. About Jesus I have addressed that already so please read again.

so benalvino...i want to ask you...from your reply on Jesus you werent clear enough...is Jesus wrong in english??...

shdemidemi: Read my post to Frosbel bro..we take all these things in faith, God is 1 but like man, He has three entities.

Naaa.......false!!!!......God is one and remains one and not 3 in 1.......the one God is the Father..........if you like add son and holy ghost na you sabi.................

And as for yout tripartite man doctrine......may I ask u.....

You say man is made up of body,spirit and soul abi??are these 3 entities persons on there own ??.........

shdemidemi: Of course there is only 1 God but yet three within himself.


Genesis 1:26a

"Let us make man in our image,…"

Ephesians 3:9

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

Lol.......the greatest contradiction ever.......

so the Father is not the Father alone??.........

Please read that 1 corinthians carefully my bro.......

Bidam: A very good example i would like to cite is 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says, "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." A person does not really believe this passage unless he can say, "If you are a homosexual or an adulterer, unless you repent, believe the gospel, and turn from your sins, God will send you to hell, where you will suffer extreme pain and agony forever." This is what the passage means. But nowadays those who call themselves Christians profess belief in Scripture on the one hand, and instead of warning homosexuals and adulterers, they
accommodate them and become friends with them.

Scriptures do say all liars and unrepentant amoral individuals,that there portion would be in the same lake of fire where Death and hell would be thrown into.........

No oÑe tolerate§ immorality just to preach Gods Love.....the point of this thread is to discard the dogma of GOd literally tormenting persons for finite sins they commited........

Chikena!!!!.....

Ubenedictus: it is quite interesting that the jw are using jehovah as d name of God, that name arose from a mistake of a catholic translator who put the vowel of adonai into the tetragram, that mistake has long been corrected yet u guy still hold that God's name is jehova. u are calling God a name he does not bear.

Hehehehe........but the JW's agree that he can be called YAHWEH,Yehwah,Yehwih,Yehowah,Yahuah,Yehuah....even buzugee would come with his own too..........no qualms bro.....where d problem lies is amongst the persons who took of that name either in part or wholly from the scriptures and substituting it with LORD and GOD..........

And my question is how many amongst us call JESUS ,YESHUA or YEHOshua??.............

Make ona no dey talk wetin dey make person vex o.........

Meanwhile how u dey??....e don tay we see............

Ubenedictus: it sounds like a joke to me

UBE if u never marry you fit apply this first fruit formular o..........

@mr pastor tolu......question for you...

If man is a spirit then why does man still need to be changed into a spirit to inherit the heavenly kingdom??...

1 corinthians 15:40-50 tells us the changes Man who is a living soul has to undergo in order to inhabit the heavens....why the need for this change if man is already a spirit.......??......

Why is man even on earth in the first ¶lace if he is §pirit??...........

shdemidemi: But the word 'God' in itself is not singular, if you check the Hebrew word 'Elohiem'.

Ahhh..!!!!.....

Please try to make a family out of this profound truth......

1 Corinthians 8:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom we
live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came and through
whom we live.


Just try to make a plural out of the bolded...........

The JW also use Yahweh.....

I mean what's all the fuss....how many of you the OP and itsfact call Jesus as YEshua??......

trying to drag the JW's into this holds no water.........


The most important thing is identifying the tetragrammatton and knowing that the almighty has a personal name which seperates him from all other gods.......

Its not only the JW's who use Jehovah...surprisingly the JW's also make use of Yahweh.....so I see no reason for fronting the JW's on this issue.....

Many persons should even be thankful to the JW's for coming right at there doors to tell them that God has a personal name and that he is not some god that bears anonymous titles all to hide behind the spurious trinity faceless dogmata......

Niflheim: @ijaw kid,ha ha ha ha ha!!!You sound just like a 14 year old girl!!!Being the christian weakling that you are,I was predicting such a response from you!!!How old are you kid?I have some cold bobo milk and some cerelac in the fridge in case you are interested!!!

the bolded got me lmao....lol... ...bring the bobo i go drink am.....but i would also inform you that youve got zero knowledge of the scriptures....

mazaje: The land was theirs how?. . .And who told you the canaanite gods didnt also make them a promise?. . .remember you only read the jewish version of the story, you didn't read the canaanite version. . .They were land graber and thieves. . .

if only you had the record of the promise made by the canaanite gods then we for no dey here dey talk na.....

mazaje: A supposedly great god that can do all things can not provide his "chosen" men with a land flowing with milk and honet but urges them to go and kill off others and take their lands that is flowing with milk and honey, eh?. . . .They are land grabbers and are supposed to be arrested and locked up for theft. . .

but the canaanites were squatters on that land and needed to find there square root when the real owners came....and always remember,God had made a promise.....and that he has the ultimate right to determine who lives where at any point in time............the isrealites werent land grabbers..that land was there's....

mazaje: Baba you dey mad?. . .You no see say those guy rugged?. . .I no dey for that one ohh. . .If i shoot their brother injure am the next thing them go just tie me up burn me alive. . .I no dey ohh. . .

LmÀo.........chei I don Ðie for laugh.....

Those guys there own Ño good at all........

mazaje: When the LORD brings you into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites--the land he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey--you are to observe this ceremony in this month. Exodus 13:5

The bible does not say that the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites oppressed the Isrealites. . .The Jewish god only promoised to give his chosen people the land that belongs to the others mostly becauise the worshipped other gods and he told his chosen men to kill them all and take their lands. . .

So you do agree that God had promised his people of that land that the canaanites inhabited........

So do you still thÍnk the isreÀlites cÀrried out a war for fun or for seriÓus reasons??......